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1. 09:32 AM - Re: Re: TCFG FLY-IN (Craig Kennedy)
2. 10:11 AM - Re: Re: TCFG FLY-IN (yourtcfg@aol.com)
3. 03:18 PM - FW: Emailing: Send Off 4, River Walk Boat Ride OKC 001, River Walk Boat Ride OKC 002, River Walk Boat Ride OKC 003, River Walk Boat Ride OKC 004, River Walk Boat Ride OKC 005, Send Off 1, Send Off 2, Send Off 3 (Jim Addington)
4. 03:20 PM - FW: Emailing: Send Off 4, River Walk Boat Ride OKC 001, River Walk Boat Ride OKC 002, River Walk Boat Ride OKC 003, River Walk Boat Ride OKC 004, River Walk Boat Ride OKC 005, Send Off 1, Send Off 2, Send Off 3 (Jim Addington)
5. 03:23 PM - FW: Emailing: Trip to Prototype 16, Trip to Prototype 8, Trip to Prototype 9, Trip to Prototype 10, Trip to Prototype 11, Trip to Prototype 12, Trip to Prototype 13, Trip to Prototype 14, Trip to Prototype 15 (Jim Addington)
6. 03:49 PM - Re: FW: Emailing: Trip to Prototype 16, Trip to Prototype 8, Trip to Prototype 9, Trip to Prototype 10, Trip to Prototype 11, Trip to Prototype 12, Trip to Prototype 13, Trip to Prototype 14, Trip to Prototype 15 (Chris)
7. 04:05 PM - Re: FW: Emailing: Trip to Prototype 16, Trip to Prototype 8, Trip to Prototype 9, Trip to Prototype 10, Trip to Prototype 11, Trip to Prototype 12, Trip to Prototype 13, Trip to Prototype 14, Trip to Prototype 15 (Jim Addington)
8. 04:31 PM - Deice on that commander? (Robert S. Randazzo)
9. 05:11 PM - (Jim Addington)
10. 05:13 PM - (Jim Addington)
11. 05:14 PM - (Jim Addington)
12. 05:14 PM - (Jim Addington)
13. 05:15 PM - Re: FW: Emailing: Trip to Prototype 16, Trip to Prototype 8, Trip to Prototype 9, Trip to Prototype 10, Trip to Prototype 11, Trip to Prototype 12, Trip to Prototype 13, Trip to Prototype 14, Trip to Prototype 15 (Chris)
14. 05:15 PM - (Jim Addington)
15. 05:19 PM - (Jim Addington)
16. 05:19 PM - (Jim Addington)
17. 05:20 PM - (Jim Addington)
18. 06:11 PM - Re: FW: Emailing: Trip to Prototype 16, Trip to Prototype 8, Trip to Prototype 9, Trip to Prototype 10, Trip to Prototype 11, Trip to Prototype 12, Trip to Prototype 13, Trip to Prototype 14, Trip to Prototype 15 (Jim Addington)
19. 06:26 PM - Re: Deice on that commander? (Jim Addington)
20. 06:53 PM - Re: Deice on that commander? (Robert S. Randazzo)
21. 07:22 PM - Re: Deice on that commander? ()
22. 07:42 PM - Re: Deice on that commander? (Jim Addington)
23. 08:00 PM - Re: Deice on that commander? (Jim Addington)
24. 08:41 PM - Re: Deice on that commander? (Jim Addington)
25. 08:41 PM - Re: Deice on that commander? (Peter Bichier)
26. 08:58 PM - Re: TCFG FLY-IN (Peter Bichier)
27. 09:09 PM - Re: Re: Deice on that commander? (Robert S. Randazzo)
28. 10:27 PM - Advertising your Commander on Latin American Market (Peter Bichier)
29. 11:07 PM - Re: Advertising your Commander on Latin American Market (Peter Bichier)
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Gang,
I'm regretting having to miss the fly-in, and after seeing the photos, envi
ous of the gorgeous Commanders and their doting owners!- Not sure if mine
will ever measure up, but I now have examples to shoot for.
I would like to echo a previous post requesting a copy of the materials sha
red at the fly-in.- Can these be posted on the web, or packaged for maili
ng?
Congrats on a great event.
Craig
--- On Wed, 9/24/08, Peter Bichier <pbichie@UTNet.UToledo.Edu> wrote:
From: Peter Bichier <pbichie@UTNet.UToledo.Edu>
Subject: Commander-List: Re: TCFG FLY-IN
<pbichie@UTNet.UToledo.Edu>
Sorry me again,
I'm missing a couple of people -captions for the album:
Who was the Aero Commander Chief Engineer that came along with Bill McGinn
ins
and that worked for the plant & Co. throughout the production life of these
birds?
He is on #201
What about Amis brother's grand son? great guy too, but I just don't
remember his name or his wife... I know you can blame it on the wine and th
e
susspens of the auction! but hey, not too many blurry pics!
He is on #215
Has anyone Danny Davis's email or phone contact? Danny, are you also part
of the group or on this forum? He's all around these pics and he is also
interested in sharing the groups experience with the Oklahoma Pilot Associa
tion.
He also has the oldest bird around...
The album seems to be working out now, and should see some kind of captions
, as
you scroll them; otherwise poste it, and I'll update it.
http://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/TCFG?pli=1&gsessionid=v_1_HAHeT-EO
O0uVDMwU2g#[/quote]
:?
take care all,
OK, done with my home work for the time been...
p.
Peter Bichier wrote:
> For those who where there, here is an opportunity to see what really
happened!
>
> There was so much going on that it was even hard to take time off to take
pictures...
>
> Been the new comer I took the leisure to step back a bit and be the
external eyes of the group.
>
> If any of those pictures interest you (Sue/Jim) for the up coming
newsletter let me know! (Barry, Russell) here is what I have, so just point
out
what you want to have me send you your way.
>
> Good night folks, and have fun!
>
> thanks again all!
>
> p.
>
>
http://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/TCFG?pli=1&gsessionid=v_1_HAHeT-EO
O0uVDMwU2g#
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Hi Peter,
Thank you for posting your pictures for everyone to enjoy.? It was a pleasure meeting
you and your enthusiasm for Commanders is infectious.? Here's the answers
to your questions.?
-? The Chief Engineer that came with Bill McGinnis was Ken Hale.? His signature
is on almost all of the Service Letters from the factory.? He was at the factory
from serial number 1 to the last one.??WOW!!!?
- Amis' grandson's name is Dave Amis.??The lady with him was a girlfriend and I'm
sorry that I don't recall?her name either.??
- I'll send you Danny's contact info in a private email.??
Some other corrections on the captions are that Stan's last name is Perkins (not
Perk) and Bob Murduck's wife's name is Sonnie.?
Good job with the pictures!!!
We plan to include some?of the handouts with the next newsletter for all members
to enjoy.??
Thanks Again,
Jim & Sue
??
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Bichier <pbichie@UTNet.UToledo.Edu>
Sent: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:57 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Re: TCFG FLY-IN
Sorry me again,
I'm missing a couple of people -captions for the album:
Who was the Aero Commander Chief Engineer that came along with Bill McGinnins
and that worked for the plant & Co. throughout the production life of these
birds?
He is on #201
What about Amis brother's grand son? great guy too, but I just don't remember
his name or his wife... I know you can blame it on the wine and the susspens of
the auction! but hey, not too many blurry pics!
He is on #215
Has anyone Danny Davis's email or phone contact? Danny, are you also part of the
group or on this forum? He's all around these pics and he is also interested in
sharing the groups experience with the Oklahoma Pilot Association. He also has
the oldest bird around...
The album seems to be working out now, and should see some kind of captions, as
you scroll them; otherwise poste it, and I'll update it.
http://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/TCFG?pli=1&gsessionid=v_1_HAHeT-EOO0uVDMwU2g#[/quote]
:?
take care all,
OK, done with my home work for the time been...
p.
Peter Bichier wrote:
> For those who where there, here is an opportunity to see what really happened!
>
> There was so much going on that it was even hard to take time off to take
pictures...
>
> Been the new comer I took the leisure to step back a bit and be the external
eyes of the group.
>
> If any of those pictures interest you (Sue/Jim) for the up coming newsletter
let me know! (Barry, Russell) here is what I have, so just point out what you
want to have me send you your way.
>
> Good night folks, and have fun!
>
> thanks again all!
>
> p.
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/TCFG?pli=1&gsessionid=v_1_HAHeT-EOO0uVDMwU2g#
:?
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| Subject: | FW: Emailing: Trip to Prototype 16, Trip to Prototype |
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Prototype 12, Trip to Prototype 13, Trip to Prototype 14, Trip to Prototype 15
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Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 11:50 PM
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Thanks for the pix Jim!
Chris
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8, Trip to Prototype 9, Trip to Prototype 10, Trip to Prototype 11, Trip
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Chris, was this all you got?
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: Trip to Prototype 16, Trip to
Prototype 8, Trip to Prototype 9, Trip to Prototype 10, Trip to Prototype
11, Trip to Prototype 12, Trip to Prototype 13, Trip to Prototype 14, Trip
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Thanks for the pix Jim!
Chris
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| Subject: | Deice on that commander? |
Commanders-
One of the photographs on Pete's nice upload of photographs shows what
appears to be either TKS or electrically heated deice on the airplane?
Can any of you who were there elaborate on what type of de-ice was on that
airplane?
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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Hope these are making it.
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Some more.
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Emailing: Trip to Prototype 16, Trip to Prototype |
8, Trip to Prototype 9, Trip to Prototype 10, Trip to Prototype 11,
Trip to Prototype 12, Trip to Prototype 13, Trip to Prototype 14, Trip to
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Jim Addington wrote:
> Chris, was this all you got?
No, there were three sets. Still hoping to hear more about the
prototype situation. You have any news you could share?
chris
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I am having problems getting this through, Please bear with me.
Jim
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| Subject: | FW: Emailing: Trip to Prototype 16, Trip to Prototype |
8, Trip to Prototype 9, Trip to Prototype 10, Trip to Prototype 11,
Trip to Prototype 12, Trip to Prototype 13, Trip to Prototype 14, Trip to
Prototype 15
What question did you have about the prototype? They are going to rebuild it
to static display quality. It won't be flyable. We gave them the money that
was taken in from the auction, $3400. They said this would really help. They
hope to get it in side soon.
Jim Addington
N444BD 500A
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Emailing: Trip to Prototype 16, Trip to
Prototype 8, Trip to Prototype 9, Trip to Prototype 10, Trip to Prototype
11, Trip to Prototype 12, Trip to Prototype 13, Trip to Prototype 14, Trip
to Prototype 15
Jim Addington wrote:
> Chris, was this all you got?
No, there were three sets. Still hoping to hear more about the
prototype situation. You have any news you could share?
chris
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| Subject: | Deice on that commander? |
If it was the one I am thinking about, it was John Towner's system and seems
to work well.
Jim Addington
N444BD 500A
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 6:23 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Deice on that commander?
Commanders-
One of the photographs on Pete's nice upload of photographs shows what
appears to be either TKS or electrically heated deice on the airplane?
Can any of you who were there elaborate on what type of de-ice was on that
airplane?
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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| Subject: | Deice on that commander? |
Jim-
What was it? Electric? Weeping? Magic?
Looks like it is lighter than pneumatic boots. I'm always looking for weight
savings. J
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C (with big black boots)
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 1:00 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Deice on that commander?
If it was the one I am thinking about, it was John Towner's system and seems
to work well.
Jim Addington
N444BD 500A
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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 6:23 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Deice on that commander?
Commanders-
One of the photographs on Pete's nice upload of photographs shows what
appears to be either TKS or electrically heated deice on the airplane?
Can any of you who were there elaborate on what type of de-ice was on that
airplane?
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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| Subject: | Deice on that commander? |
TKS
I looked into it last year through Jon Towner and the cost was $35K for
the unit and app. 200 hours to install. The unit comes from England and
I am sure the price has changed due to the exchange rate.
I seriously considered it based on keeping the plane for 10 years and
the benefits but due to changing flying missions (all personal flying)
and the loss of a local mechanic I have placed my 500S with Aircenter
for sale.
Don Falik
1970 500S
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S. Randazzo
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:50 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Deice on that commander?
Jim-
What was it? Electric? Weeping? Magic?
Looks like it is lighter than pneumatic boots. I'm always looking for
weight savings. :-)
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C (with big black boots)
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 1:00 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Deice on that commander?
If it was the one I am thinking about, it was John Towner's system and
seems to work well.
Jim Addington
N444BD 500A
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S. Randazzo
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 6:23 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Deice on that commander?
Commanders-
One of the photographs on Pete's nice upload of photographs shows what
appears to be either TKS or electrically heated deice on the airplane?
Can any of you who were there elaborate on what type of de-ice was on
that airplane?
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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| Subject: | Deice on that commander? |
I am not sure. John Towner has the STC and I believe installs them. It was
his idea for his freight aircraft. It seems to work better than boots from
what I heard. I noticed it had very tiny holes and it is made out of
titanium. It is definitely not boots though. Call John, he is a teriffic
person and will give you all the answers.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:50 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Deice on that commander?
Jim-
What was it? Electric? Weeping? Magic?
Looks like it is lighter than pneumatic boots. I'm always looking for weight
savings. :-)
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C (with big black boots)
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 1:00 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Deice on that commander?
If it was the one I am thinking about, it was John Towner's system and seems
to work well.
Jim Addington
N444BD 500A
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 6:23 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Deice on that commander?
Commanders-
One of the photographs on Pete's nice upload of photographs shows what
appears to be either TKS or electrically heated deice on the airplane?
Can any of you who were there elaborate on what type of de-ice was on that
airplane?
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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| Subject: | Deice on that commander? |
I hate to hear you have it for sale, they are such nice planes, but do
understand.
Jim
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dfalik@sbcglobal.net
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:18 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Deice on that commander?
TKS
I looked into it last year through Jon Towner and the cost was $35K for the
unit and app. 200 hours to install. The unit comes from England and I am
sure the price has changed due to the exchange rate.
I seriously considered it based on keeping the plane for 10 years and the
benefits but due to changing flying missions (all personal flying) and the
loss of a local mechanic I have placed my 500S with Aircenter for sale.
Don Falik
1970 500S
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Jim-
What was it? Electric? Weeping? Magic?
Looks like it is lighter than pneumatic boots. I'm always looking for weight
savings. :-)
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C (with big black boots)
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If it was the one I am thinking about, it was John Towner's system and seems
to work well.
Jim Addington
N444BD 500A
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Commanders-
One of the photographs on Pete's nice upload of photographs shows what
appears to be either TKS or electrically heated deice on the airplane?
Can any of you who were there elaborate on what type of de-ice was on that
airplane?
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I forgot to tell you $35,000 is what I paid for my whole plane.
Jim
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I hate to hear you have it for sale, they are such nice planes, but do
understand.
Jim
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TKS
I looked into it last year through Jon Towner and the cost was $35K for the
unit and app. 200 hours to install. The unit comes from England and I am
sure the price has changed due to the exchange rate.
I seriously considered it based on keeping the plane for 10 years and the
benefits but due to changing flying missions (all personal flying) and the
loss of a local mechanic I have placed my 500S with Aircenter for sale.
Don Falik
1970 500S
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Randazzo
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:50 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Deice on that commander?
Jim-
What was it? Electric? Weeping? Magic?
Looks like it is lighter than pneumatic boots. I'm always looking for weight
savings. :-)
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C (with big black boots)
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 1:00 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Deice on that commander?
If it was the one I am thinking about, it was John Towner's system and seems
to work well.
Jim Addington
N444BD 500A
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Subject: Commander-List: Deice on that commander?
Commanders-
One of the photographs on Pete's nice upload of photographs shows what
appears to be either TKS or electrically heated deice on the airplane?
Can any of you who were there elaborate on what type of de-ice was on that
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John Bosch from Commander Aero Inc. gave us a talk on some of their modifications.
He gave us a pamphlet, but I also have downloaded a PDF from his web page
that talks about it (Page eight).
http://www.commander-aero.com/
the pdf is: N741CA+Refurbishment12/5/7.pdf
it's too big for me to attach it here, but if you are interested I'll send it to
you directly to your email.
Let me know.
Also John Towner gave us a handout where he mentions a TKS System among Central
Air's special Commander maintenance items and STCs (it's short so I'll type it
for you here):
TKS System (wing, tail, prop, and windshield anti-icing system)
In 1993-94 we certified the Commander model 500B, 500U, and 500S using the TKS
system for "flight into known ice" per FAA regulations. We own the STC (supplemental
type certificate) for this installation. The parts of the system are made
in England and the lead time can be 6 to 8 months for a kit. We are planning
to put a spare kit on our shelf. The worst ice I have ever flown in was not
forecast and there is an old joke "if the TKS system only saves your life once
it was worth it"
I understand that you have a 685, but he might have suggestions, since I think
you were referring to either his plane or Bosch's.
[quote="rsrandazzo(at)precisionma"]Commanders-
One of the photographs on Petes nice upload of photographs shows what appears to
be either TKS or electrically heated deice on the airplane?
Can any of you who were there elaborate on what type of de-ice was on that airplane?
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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Hi Jim & Sue, & the gang
I have completed and corrected the captions, hopefully this will help recreate
or remind people or what we did during those great 4 days!
I'm amazed that in spite of the years you're all in contact, some of you have never
seen each other in person! (more reasons to share)
you are all welcome to pass along the album link with Ron Smith, Bill McGinnis,
Ken Hale, Dave Amis and whoever is not on the list that could be interested.
http://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/TCFG?pli=1&gsessionid=v_1_HAHeT-EOO0uVDMwU2g#[/quote]
You will all notice, by the way, that you practically NEVER see Sue on ANY of these
photos... and believe me, she wasn't in the ladies fixing up her touches:
this woman never stopped! -actually you sort of see her , and she is working
is organizing folders before the auction (#291) in the back.
Sue, as Jim said: this event could not have been possible without your great people
skills, organizing, page making, accounting, and all you do behind the scene.
I don't think I saw you relaxing ONCE: even in the Auction you were taking up the
tally!
THANK YOU VERY MUCH! (you were, as you know, the 1st person I met -and you can
tell you're on top of things, you immediately knew who I was!
The round of applause and standing ovation was VERY WELL DESERVE!
Hope you're at home now, sipping some Martinis while the boys are cooking the burgers!
have a well deserved rest you two,
hasta la vista,
p.
[quote="yourtcfg(at)aol.com"]Hi Peter,
Thank you for posting your pictures for everyone to enjoy. It was a pleasure
meeting you and your enthusiasm for Commanders is infectious. Here's the answers
to your questions.
- The Chief Engineer that came with Bill McGinnis was Ken Hale. His signature
is on almost all of the Service Letters from the factory. He was at the factory
from serial number 1 to the last one. WOW!!!
- Amis' grandson's name is Dave Amis. The lady with him was a girlfriend and
I'm sorry that I don't recall her name either.
- I'll send you Danny's contact info in a private email.
Some other corrections on the captions are that Stan's last name is Perkins (not
Perk) and Bob Murduck's wife's name is Sonnie.
Good job with the pictures!!!
We plan to include some of the handouts with the next newsletter for all members
to enjoy.
Thanks Again,
Jim & Sue
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Thanks, Peter!
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Bichier
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:40 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Deice on that commander?
John Bosch from Commander Aero Inc. gave us a talk on some of their modifications.
He gave us a pamphlet, but I also have downloaded a PDF from his web page
that talks about it (Page eight).
http://www.commander-aero.com/
the pdf is: N741CA+Refurbishment12/5/7.pdf
it's too big for me to attach it here, but if you are interested I'll send it to
you directly to your email.
Let me know.
Also John Towner gave us a handout where he mentions a TKS System among Central
Air's special Commander maintenance items and STCs (it's short so I'll type it
for you here):
TKS System (wing, tail, prop, and windshield anti-icing system)
In 1993-94 we certified the Commander model 500B, 500U, and 500S using the TKS
system for "flight into known ice" per FAA regulations. We own the STC (supplemental
type certificate) for this installation. The parts of the system are made
in England and the lead time can be 6 to 8 months for a kit. We are planning
to put a spare kit on our shelf. The worst ice I have ever flown in was not
forecast and there is an old joke "if the TKS system only saves your life once
it was worth it"
I understand that you have a 685, but he might have suggestions, since I think
you were referring to either his plane or Bosch's.
[quote="rsrandazzo(at)precisionma"]Commanders-
One of the photographs on Petes nice upload of photographs shows what appears to
be either TKS or electrically heated deice on the airplane?
Can any of you who were there elaborate on what type of de-ice was on that airplane?
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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| Subject: | Advertising your Commander on Latin American Market |
As much as I would hate to see these Commanders go, I know some of you are trying
to sell them.
Here is a link for the Latin American Market (mostly Venezuela & Colombia) but
I have seen other countries announced too. As you might know those airplanes are
quite popular down there...
There is a one time fee of $90.00; then you just have to "renew" your advertisement
every 60 days (just with a click of a mouse), until you decide to take if
away, or the plane is sold.
here is the link:
http://www.tuavion.com/es/index2.html
let me know if you need assistance with the spanish or anything else,
Buena suerte!
p.
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| Subject: | Re: Advertising your Commander on Latin American Market |
WOW! they just sold a 1960 500A (s/n 899-8) converted to B just as of last week!
(I had checked it before going to the fly in, and now it's SOLD!
check it out (has specs & pictures):
http://tuavion.com/es/anuncios/piston-multi/COMMANDER/YV-1119/index.html
Also, advertise it in US$, don't mess with the Bolivar... (but FYI the "official
rate is 2.2BsF. to the US$ but it can vary on the "parallel" market [yes there
is such thing down there] it's around 3.4 BsF. to the Dollar... (don't get
me started on that, but I can give you all the info if necessary).
[quote="Peter Bichier"]As much as I would hate to see these Commanders go, I know
some of you are trying to sell them.
Here is a link for the Latin American Market (mostly Venezuela & Colombia) but
I have seen other countries announced too. As you might know those airplanes are
quite popular down there...
There is a one time fee of $90.00; then you just have to "renew" your advertisement
every 60 days (just with a click of a mouse), until you decide to take if
away, or the plane is sold.
here is the link:
http://www.tuavion.com/es/index2.html
let me know if you need assistance with the spanish or anything else,
Buena suerte!
p.
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