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1. 04:11 AM - Furnishings Question... (Robert S. Randazzo)
2. 04:54 AM - Re: Furnishings Question... (Moe-rosspistons)
3. 10:00 AM - Re: Furnishings Question... (Robert S. Randazzo)
4. 12:05 PM - Re: Furnishings Question... (BobsV35B@aol.com)
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Commanders-
I was doing some in-depth cabin cleanup this past weekend and noticed that
the cockpit seats in N414C provide very little protection from head injury.
The seat backs flip forward without any restraint catch, and there are no
headrests. I have shoulder harnesses, but they wouldn't appear to serve
much purpose in a deceleration incident because the whole seat back leans
forward- thus they don't offer much protection from smacking the noggin' on
the coaming panel or yoke.
I realize that these are original equipment- but it got me to wondering if
there are more modern seats that don't fold forward like the older seats?
Anyone know?
Second item: I'm wondering if anyone can point me toward a good source for
purchasing replacement plastic liners for the cockpit? Mine are in mostly
good shape- but since we've re-done everything else in the airplane- they
are looking a bit ratty in comparison to the rest of the airplane..
Specifically I'm thinking of the side panels for the pilot/copilot side
windows, and the three or four pieces that make up the portion directly over
head.
Third Item: Anyone know where I can pick up a good new lens cover for the
tail position lights on a 685? Mine is serviceable, but cloudy and
yellowed- so it looks bad. Thought it might be a nice touch to replace it
with a good clean one.
All suggestions welcome! Thanks everyone!
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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| Subject: | Re: Furnishings Question... |
Robert,
The interior plastic is not to my knowledge available new, and
unfortunately, most of the used pieces that can be found are in pretty
sad shape. Most of us have repaired the plastic and then covered it
with leather or some type of FAA approved fabric. Aircraft leather can
be purchased from Mayfield or a few other sources. That is the reason
that so many older planes have the 'total leather interior look' on the
inside.
Although headrests really look cool they may be of dubious help in a
crash, as few airplanes back into the ground, or get rear-ended. It is
not legal to drill holes in the seats to mount headrests, I have been
told that if you remove the upholstery on the seat backs you can find
the original holes from the factory, in case the seats were to be
installed in a Shrike with head rests.
Do your shoulder harnesses mount to the seat only, or do they mount to
the cabin, and are they factory original or after market?
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
680Fp
From: Robert S. Randazzo
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 4:10 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Furnishings Question...
Commanders-
I was doing some in-depth cabin cleanup this past weekend and noticed
that the cockpit seats in N414C provide very little protection from
head injury. The seat backs flip forward without any restraint catch,
and there are no headrests. I have shoulder harnesses, but they
wouldn't appear to serve much purpose in a deceleration incident because
the whole seat back leans forward- thus they don't offer much protection
from smacking the noggin' on the coaming panel or yoke.
I realize that these are original equipment- but it got me to wondering
if there are more modern seats that don't fold forward like the older
seats? Anyone know?
Second item: I'm wondering if anyone can point me toward a good source
for purchasing replacement plastic liners for the cockpit? Mine are in
mostly good shape- but since we've re-done everything else in the
airplane- they are looking a bit ratty in comparison to the rest of the
airplane.. Specifically I'm thinking of the side panels for the
pilot/copilot side windows, and the three or four pieces that make up
the portion directly over head.
Third Item: Anyone know where I can pick up a good new lens cover for
the tail position lights on a 685? Mine is serviceable, but cloudy and
yellowed- so it looks bad. Thought it might be a nice touch to replace
it with a good clean one.
All suggestions welcome! Thanks everyone!
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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| Subject: | Furnishings Question... |
Moe-
Thanks- I suspected this might be the case with the plastics.
Few airplanes back into the ground? You obviously aren't giving me enough
creativity for my flying. :-p
I was thinking of the headrests more in terms of my own comfort while flying
when it comes to headrests. I didn't make that clear.
The shoulder harnesses appear to be original factory. I read this week on
the TCAC website that they have new harnesses available and they are about
$2500/set- but mine work fine in operation. It is the way the seat folds
forward that I thought was strange for the cockpit of an airplane.
Rob
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Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 4:54 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Furnishings Question...
Robert,
The interior plastic is not to my knowledge available new, and
unfortunately, most of the used pieces that can be found are in pretty sad
shape. Most of us have repaired the plastic and then covered it with
leather or some type of FAA approved fabric. Aircraft leather can be
purchased from Mayfield or a few other sources. That is the reason that so
many older planes have the 'total leather interior look' on the inside.
Although headrests really look cool they may be of dubious help in a crash,
as few airplanes back into the ground, or get rear-ended. It is not legal
to drill holes in the seats to mount headrests, I have been told that if you
remove the upholstery on the seat backs you can find the original holes from
the factory, in case the seats were to be installed in a Shrike with head
rests.
Do your shoulder harnesses mount to the seat only, or do they mount to the
cabin, and are they factory original or after market?
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
680Fp
From: Robert S. Randazzo <mailto:rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 4:10 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Furnishings Question...
Commanders-
I was doing some in-depth cabin cleanup this past weekend and noticed that
the cockpit seats in N414C provide very little protection from head injury.
The seat backs flip forward without any restraint catch, and there are no
headrests. I have shoulder harnesses, but they wouldn't appear to serve
much purpose in a deceleration incident because the whole seat back leans
forward- thus they don't offer much protection from smacking the noggin' on
the coaming panel or yoke.
I realize that these are original equipment- but it got me to wondering if
there are more modern seats that don't fold forward like the older seats?
Anyone know?
Second item: I'm wondering if anyone can point me toward a good source for
purchasing replacement plastic liners for the cockpit? Mine are in mostly
good shape- but since we've re-done everything else in the airplane- they
are looking a bit ratty in comparison to the rest of the airplane..
Specifically I'm thinking of the side panels for the pilot/copilot side
windows, and the three or four pieces that make up the portion directly over
head.
Third Item: Anyone know where I can pick up a good new lens cover for the
tail position lights on a 685? Mine is serviceable, but cloudy and
yellowed- so it looks bad. Thought it might be a nice touch to replace it
with a good clean one.
All suggestions welcome! Thanks everyone!
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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| Subject: | Re: Furnishings Question... |
Good Afternoon Rob,
My knowledge of the Commander structure is somewhere between nil and zilch,
but the FAA has been very friendly toward adding shoulder harnesses where
there are none or where the current arrangement is flawed.
I imagine installing an improved shoulder harness would be something they
would encourage as well. If the current shoulder harness serves only to hold
you
in that seat which will fold forward during a deceleration, I wonder if it
might not be a good idea to install new seat belts which fasten to the prim
ary
structure?
Many Bonanzas built during the same time as the Commanders were built have
rather poor shoulder harness arrangements There are aftermarket devices that
are much better. A company called BAS (_http://www.basinc-aeromod.com/_
(http://www.basinc-aeromod.com/) ) makes a very nice inertial reel based se
t that
attaches to the primary overhead structure. If I had a Commander, I think I
would see if the BAS units might not provide much greater safety. It is my
completely non expert understanding that shoulder harnesses that are attach
ed to a
point at or below one's shoulder tend to cause compression fractures in our
spines during rapid deceleration events. Having the harness secured to the
top of the cabin alleviates that force.
Worth a look?
Happy Skies
Old Bob
AKA
Bob Siegfried
Ancient Aviator
628 West 86th Street
Downers Grove, IL 60516
630 985-8502
Stearman N3977A
Brookeridge Air Park LL22
In a message dated 10/4/2008 12:01:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com writes:
The shoulder harnesses appear to be original factory. I read this week on
the TCAC website that they have new harnesses available and they are about
$2500/set- but mine work fine in operation. It is the way the seat folds
forward that I thought was strange for the cockpit of an airplane
Rob
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