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1. 07:26 AM - Re: values (Bud Williams)
2. 08:03 AM - Re: values (Donnie Rose)
3. 07:48 PM - HHO (Don)
4. 08:21 PM - Re: HHO (Victor C. Rupert)
5. 09:17 PM - Re: HHO (Jim Addington)
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Donnie,
Go to Trade-a-Plane. They have an NAAA aircraft evaluation tool that is much
more in-depth (it actually allows you to add in aircraft modifications as
well as all sorts of avionics upgrades). It is a MUCH better tool than the
"Vref Lite" that is on AOPA's web site.
Bud
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: values
Yes It sounded like it, safe flying.
Donnie Rose
205/492-8444
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From: Robert S. Randazzo <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2008 12:36:57 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: values
Donnie-
Then I take it all back. It's the perfect tool. :-)
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: values
Thanks Robert, I'm trying to combat the taxman...
Donnie Rose
205/492-8444
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From: Robert S. Randazzo <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2008 12:06:02 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: values
Donnie-
Only place I've ever seen was Vref on the AOPA site- but I find it to be
incredibly under-valued for any airplane I've ever plugged in.
So much so that I think it's a disservice.
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donnie Rose
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 7:18 PM
Subject: Commander-List: values
Hey everyone, does anyone know the official place to get same on Commander
aircraft values such as the "Blue book".
Thanks,
Donnie Rose
205/492-8444
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Commanderland;
Have any of you been reading or viewing on www.youtube.com anything on
the HHO, which is the process of electrolysis to break down water into H
& O and feeding it into the air intake. Some make claims of 30% up to
several hundred per cent increase in gas mileage including using it on
an 18 wheeler to double the mileage. I was talking to my Commander and
my Credit Card and both thought it would be a good idea. Has anyone
looked into this in the auto industry and other than the FAA, would it
work in Commanders, probably take several units. Just thinking out
loud.
Don
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Most of the stuff on YouTube is crap. The in Japan and Canada truckers use
a commercial version that is about $3000 for and all stainless unit capable
of running enough Brown's gas for a decent fuel supplement. The
complicating factor with engines since the first 70's gas crunch is O2
sensors and computers. To appreciate the benefit of the gas you must add a
couple hundred millivolts boost to the signal going to the computer to
compensate for the cleaner burning.
Two other important issues. DO NOT hook to the intake as all that happens
is you create a vacuum and you get steam with is already expanded water and
hurts mileage. Hook to the aircleaner on the side before the aircleaner.
This helps to diffuse the Hydroxy gas and does not create the vacuum.
I am anal about monitoring and have replaced the cassette area in my '02
Suburban with a custom instrument panel. It has.
4 air/fuel ratio gauges. Two that show what is actually going on in the
exhaust and two that show what the computer is seeing after the circuit
board that I made. ( two because you must cheat both O2 sensors in front of
the cat converters ) and I have the all important EGT gauge which is the
most important to prevent over leaning. At 80% or more throttle it is not
important as the computer goes to closed loop and dumps full rich fuel in
anyway. Only on the highway is this important. Then I have a ammeter to
monitor the DC motor controller as you have to adjust the current going to
the hydrolyzer. (( as it heats up resistance reduces ( unlike an ordinary
electric circuit where resistance increases)) You can have thermal runaway.
The most important is don't be a dumbass like the morons selling the crap on
eBay and use baking soda. It becomes part of the chemical process during
hydrolysis and you end up with chlorine gas coming out the tailpipe. Use
potash or (LYE for making soap) it stays in solution and you must only
replace the water in the booster.
Hope this answers a few questions.
Victor
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:48 PM
Subject: Commander-List: HHO
Commanderland;
Have any of you been reading or viewing on www.youtube.com anything on the
HHO, which is the process of electrolysis to break down water into H & O and
feeding it into the air intake. Some make claims of 30% up to several
hundred per cent increase in gas mileage including using it on an 18 wheeler
to double the mileage. I was talking to my Commander and my Credit Card and
both thought it would be a good idea. Has anyone looked into this in the
auto industry and other than the FAA, would it work in Commanders, probably
take several units. Just thinking out loud.
Don
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Don,
A friend of mine and I were talking about it and he says it is 34 times as
efficient
as gas and it did not sound that hard to do. He was interested in getting a
car to run on it. One problem is if the Hydrogen leaks past the rings it
gets into the crank case and can cause a really big explosion. I talked to
one of my late wife's cousins and he said he and some of his friends got a
lawn mower to work on it. I was very surprised at how simple it is and
wonder why some one is not really pushing hard for it. The friend is really
good at electronics and said it could be done for less than $100. He has a
certain amount of BS to him but he is a very smart person.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:48 PM
Subject: Commander-List: HHO
Commanderland;
Have any of you been reading or viewing on www.youtube.com anything on the
HHO, which is the process of electrolysis to break down water into H & O and
feeding it into the air intake. Some make claims of 30% up to several
hundred per cent increase in gas mileage including using it on an 18 wheeler
to double the mileage. I was talking to my Commander and my Credit Card and
both thought it would be a good idea. Has anyone looked into this in the
auto industry and other than the FAA, would it work in Commanders, probably
take several units. Just thinking out loud.
Don
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