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Hi JimBob,
My guess is that it's N6863S, s/n 380.
It was converted from a 680 to a 680E on April 14th 1972.
I know it had the Swearingen gear doors installed, but don't know when.
Anything in the paperwork to help nail that date?
Has it still got them?
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 1:44 AM
Subject: Commander-List: FULL CIRCLE
HI KIDS.
I just had a neat experience. I flew 680 (CONVERTED TO A 680e) from a
small private strip on the banks of the Columbia River, to my home
airport. The new owners will be changing an engine there. I have
delivered lots of Commanders over the years and even several 680s, so
what makes this one different?? Well, it is the very first Aero
Commander I ever actually touched!! I had dreamed of owning a Commander
for a couple of years and was crop dusting in the Parlous area of
Washington state, south of Spokane. I was finally in a position to buy
my first Commander and really wanted to see on up close and personal. I
was told that a old (even then it was considered old) Commander in a
hangar at Spokane's Felts Field. The first rainy day off I had I drove
to the airport to look and sure enough, there it was. It was parked in
an open hangar with several other, lessor, airplanes. It was
BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was painted with yellow and black trim and
had sweringen main landing gear doors. I thought they were stock and
for a while thought other Commander owners must have removed theirs!! I
spent a couple of hours just looking and dreaming of the day when I
would have my own.
Amazingly, we would cross paths again. Many years later and after I
had owner a couple of Commanders (a 720 and a 560A), I took a job for
just a few weeks flying ag for an operator in western Washington State.
I owned a Beech Duke (sorry) at the time and it would not operate from
the short ag strip where the Commander lived. That owner sold it to a
really nice guy named Jody Maddox and after many years, Jody sold it to
the new, current owners. Since neither of them have ANY Commander time,
they hired me to move the airplane. It was really cool to actually fly
the airplane that really started it all for me. I got to occupied the
pilot seat I had longingly looked through the window at so many years
ago. It went "Full Circle" jb
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Hey, I'm supposed to be the environmental wacko on this list. I'm gone for a
couple days and look what happens. You guys start splitting molecules and
running engines on water. Quit moving in on my territory. I've got a
reputation to think about.
Anybody remember the magnetic gizmos they used to sell to strap to fuel
lines that 'aligned the ions' or some some such thing......
I'm still pretty amazed at how efficient ancient aircraft engines are at
doing the job they were designed for. Especially at lean of peak. I can't
find the reference anymore, but there was a good (now dated) piece kicking
around discussing how a lot of the modern advances in automobile powerplants
didn't translate as well to slow turning aircraft engines. Multi-valve
technology, the frictional losses of geared drivetrains, and frictional
losses of double and higher RPM's.
Better and more efficient fuel delivery seems to be an area that could still
use improvement, and better management of when you really need the extra
rich mixture.
Got to go out and stack some more firewood.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: HHO
>
> Don,
>
> I love your sense of optimism, and yes, things thought impossible have
> been conquered. But sulfur, Firestone, Edison and carbon didn't violate
> the First Law of Thermodynamics. The HHO thing is the worst sort of
> pathological science. You can't generate MORE energy by recombining H & O2
> (combusting) than you used when splitting the H2O in the first place. If
> you had a 100% efficient (as in, no loss to heat or mechanical
> inefficiency) method of both splitting & recombining them, you'd end up
> with exactly a net-Zero energy production.
>
> I think, if this actually worked, that you could just plug a couple of
> electrodes into the ocean and turn the world into a small sun, right?
>
> Perhaps someone will come up with a nice, simple Cold Fusion powerplant.
> What ever happened to Fleischmann & Pons anyway?
>
> /John
>
> Don wrote:
>>
>> Chris;
>>
>> I have read a great deal of the arguments, and I realize there is no such
>> thing as 'perpetual motion', this said, I have also read many things that
>> were quote 'impossible' until, something was changed and then it worked,
>> Mr. Firestone comes to mind with I believe it was sulfur, as well as Mr.
>> Edison and carbon. So I usually don't just 'write something off', just
>> because so far it hasn't worked. I also read that God probably made the
>> perfect compressed hydrogen, its call H2O, something like 1,800 to one
>> compressions. I try and keep and open mind, one day I firmly believe, a
>> revolutionary change will happen to greatly improve our internal
>> combustions engine.
>>
>> No thanks on the 'carbon credits', I can just put the money in the NYSE,
>> but I prefer gold.
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" <cschuerm@cox.net>
>> To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 11:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: HHO
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Don wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Have any of you been reading or viewing on www.youtube.com
>>>> <http://www.youtube.com> anything on the HHO, which is the process of
>>>> electrolysis to break down water into H & O and feeding it into the
>>>> air intake.
>>>
>>> I never cease to be amazed at the number of people who think this will
>>> work (no personal insult intended Don).
>>> Let's take as a given that "burning" a fuel releases energy. In a
>>> piston engine, some of this energy is turned into mechanical motion, but
>>> a lot is lost to heat. Net loss in the energy conversion - agreed? Now
>>> we take that mechanical motion and generate electricity. Quite a bit of
>>> energy lost in that conversion as well. Now we take the electricity and
>>> via electrolysis, split a molecule. Certainly a net loss of energy
>>> there as well, not to mention that even a huge electrolysis cell
>>> generates a tiny amount of hydrogen unless fed *huge* amounts of
>>> electricity. Next we're going to take that fuel we created by so many
>>> lossy steps, burn it, and get more energy out than we put into it's
>>> creation ?????
>>>
>>>
>>> chris
>>>
>>> ps: I have some "carbon offsets" I'm willing to sell cheap. I'll take
>>> $45/flight hour for them. Less than 75 hours available, so get 'em
>>> quick.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>> 7:19 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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JB, your story reminded me of this spring.
It's powerful stuff across the span of time unexpectedly coming across
machines you've run or made an impression on you, ain't it? In an age of
computer games, ipods, and people fondling their little phones
everywhere you go, I'm not sure everyone feels the same. This spring we
were working way up north, and I pit stopped in Houlton Maine. Houlton
is literally the end of the United States. When you depart you turn
crosswind across the border of New Brunswick and the north end of
Interstate 95.
We taxied up to get fuel and there was an old straight tail C-310C. I
always liked them, as they had the 260hp IO-470's, and the straight tail
and tanks. A fast and efficient machine, and in the 70's after my Dad
started his company, first was a '53 C-180 with a photo hole, and then a
'59 C-310C with a hole. (I don't think he could have afforded a
Commander like what he was used to flying.) Last I had heard, long after
he had sold his interest out, the old 310 had its gear collapse and was
written off.
As we got closer to the machine, I couldn't believe it had the old N
number. Sure enough, there was a photo hole underneath with a cover. It
was the same machine I had 'grown up' in. Crossed the Rockies at night,
flew through the Grand Canyon, and worked in all over the northeast and
New England as camerman (even when just a kid).
My first flying memory was sitting in my Dad's lap, trying to steer a
680E through a pair of cumulus. I never expected to be around Commanders
again. Somehow, almost 40 years later, I get to drive one some for work.
Life presents a lot of good, sometimes bad, and unexpected things.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:44 PM
Subject: Commander-List: FULL CIRCLE
HI KIDS.
I just had a neat experience. I flew 680 (CONVERTED TO A 680e) from a
small private strip on the banks of the Columbia River, to my home
airport. The new owners will be changing an engine there. I have
delivered lots of Commanders over the years and even several 680s, so
what makes this one different?? Well, it is the very first Aero
Commander I ever actually touched!! I had dreamed of owning a Commander
for a couple of years and was crop dusting in the Parlous area of
Washington state, south of Spokane. I was finally in a position to buy
my first Commander and really wanted to see on up close and personal. I
was told that a old (even then it was considered old) Commander in a
hangar at Spokane's Felts Field. The first rainy day off I had I drove
to the airport to look and sure enough, there it was. It was parked in
an open hangar with several other, lessor, airplanes. It was
BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was painted with yellow and black trim and
had sweringen main landing gear doors. I thought they were stock and
for a while thought other Commander owners must have removed theirs!! I
spent a couple of hours just looking and dreaming of the day when I
would have my own.
Amazingly, we would cross paths again. Many years later and after I
had owner a couple of Commanders (a 720 and a 560A), I took a job for
just a few weeks flying ag for an operator in western Washington State.
I owned a Beech Duke (sorry) at the time and it would not operate from
the short ag strip where the Commander lived. That owner sold it to a
really nice guy named Jody Maddox and after many years, Jody sold it to
the new, current owners. Since neither of them have ANY Commander time,
they hired me to move the airplane. It was really cool to actually fly
the airplane that really started it all for me. I got to occupied the
pilot seat I had longingly looked through the window at so many years
ago. It went "Full Circle" jb
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However, anyway you look at it, the price per gallon of water these days is
less than the price of gas... SOOOOO splitting them may cost less than the
norm. :)
David Owens
Aerial Viewpoint
N14AV
AC-500A-Colemill
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I never heard of the "Swearingen gear doors" how are they different from
the factory ones?
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FULL CIRCLE
Hi JimBob,
My guess is that it's N6863S, s/n 380.
It was converted from a 680 to a 680E on April 14th 1972.
I know it had the Swearingen gear doors installed, but don't know
when.
Anything in the paperwork to help nail that date?
Has it still got them?
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 1:44 AM
Subject: Commander-List: FULL CIRCLE
HI KIDS.
I just had a neat experience. I flew 680 (CONVERTED TO A 680e) from
a small private strip on the banks of the Columbia River, to my home
airport. The new owners will be changing an engine there. I have
delivered lots of Commanders over the years and even several 680s, so
what makes this one different?? Well, it is the very first Aero
Commander I ever actually touched!! I had dreamed of owning a Commander
for a couple of years and was crop dusting in the Parlous area of
Washington state, south of Spokane. I was finally in a position to buy
my first Commander and really wanted to see on up close and personal. I
was told that a old (even then it was considered old) Commander in a
hangar at Spokane's Felts Field. The first rainy day off I had I drove
to the airport to look and sure enough, there it was. It was parked in
an open hangar with several other, lessor, airplanes. It was
BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was painted with yellow and black trim and
had sweringen main landing gear doors. I thought they were stock and
for a while thought other Commander owners must have removed theirs!! I
spent a couple of hours just looking and dreaming of the day when I
would have my own.
Amazingly, we would cross paths again. Many years later and after I
had owner a couple of Commanders (a 720 and a 560A), I took a job for
just a few weeks flying ag for an operator in western Washington State.
I owned a Beech Duke (sorry) at the time and it would not operate from
the short ag strip where the Commander lived. That owner sold it to a
really nice guy named Jody Maddox and after many years, Jody sold it to
the new, current owners. Since neither of them have ANY Commander time,
they hired me to move the airplane. It was really cool to actually fly
the airplane that really started it all for me. I got to occupied the
pilot seat I had longingly looked through the window at so many years
ago. It went "Full Circle" jb
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Yes, they are still installed.? I will look at the logs and see if there is a date.?
jb
Anything in the paperwork to help nail that date?
Has it still got
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 4:34 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FULL CIRCLE
Hi JimBob,
?
My guess is that it's N6863S, s/n 380.
It was converted from a 680 to a 680E on April 14th 1972.
?
I know it had the Swearingen gear doors installed, but don't know when.
Anything in the paperwork to help nail that date?
Has it still got them?
?
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg@aol.com
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 1:44 AM
Subject: Commander-List: FULL CIRCLE
HI KIDS.
I just had a neat experience.? I flew 680 (CONVERTED TO A 680e) from a small private
strip on the banks of the Columbia River, to my home airport.? The new owners
will be changing an engine there.?I have delivered lots of Commanders over
the years and even several 680s, so what makes this one different??? Well,
it is the very first Aero Commander?I ever actually touched!!? I had dreamed of
owning a Commander for a couple of years and was crop dusting in the Parlous
area of Washington state, south of Spokane.? I was finally in a position to buy
my first Commander and really wanted to see on up close and personal.? I was
told that a old (even then it was considered old) Commander in a hangar at Spokane's
Felts Field.? The first rainy day off?I had I drove to the airport to
look and sure enough, there it was.? It was parked in an open hangar with several
other, lessor, airplanes.? It was BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!? It was painted
with yellow and black?trim and had?sweringen main la
nding gear doors.? I thought they were stock and for a while thought other Commander
owners must have removed theirs!!? I spent a couple of hours just looking
and dreaming of the day when I would have my own.
Amazingly, we would cross paths again.? Many years later and after I had owner
a couple of Commanders (a 720 and a 560A), I took a job for just a few weeks flying
ag for an operator in western Washington State.? I owned a Beech Duke (sorry)
at the time and it would not operate from the short ag strip where the Commander
lived.? That owner sold it to a really nice guy named Jody Maddox and
after many years, Jody sold it to the new, current owners.? Since neither of
them have ANY Commander time, they hired me to move the airplane.? It was really
cool to actually fly the airplane that really started it all for me.? I got
to occupied the pilot seat I had longingly looked through the window at so many
years ago.? It went "Full Circle"? jb
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Great story!!? jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve W <steve2@sover.net>
Sent: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 6:35 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FULL CIRCLE
JB, your story reminded me of this spring.
?
It's powerful stuff across the span of time unexpectedly coming across machines
you've run or made an impression on you, ain't it? In an age of computer games,
ipods, and people fondling their little phones everywhere you go, I'm not sure
everyone feels the same. This spring we were working way up north, and I pit
stopped in Houlton Maine. Houlton is literally the end of the United States.
When you depart you turn crosswind across the border of New Brunswick and the
north end of Interstate 95.
?
We taxied up to get fuel and there was an old straight tail C-310C. I always liked
them, as they had the 260hp IO-470's, and the straight tail and tanks. A fast
and efficient machine, and in the 70's after my Dad started his company, first
was a '53 C-180 with a photo hole, and then a '59 C-310C with a hole. (I
don't think he could have afforded a Commander like what he was used to flying.)
Last I had heard, long after he had sold his interest out, the old 310 had
its gear collapse and was written off.
?
As we got closer to the machine, I couldn't believe it had the old N number. Sure
enough, there was a photo hole underneath with a cover. It was the same machine
I had 'grown up' in. Crossed the Rockies at night, flew through the Grand
Canyon, and worked in all over the northeast and New England as camerman (even
when just a kid).
?
My first flying memory was sitting in my Dad's lap, trying to steer a 680E through
a pair of cumulus. I never expected to be around Commanders again. Somehow,
almost 40 years later, I get to drive one some for work. Life presents a lot
of good, sometimes bad, and unexpected things.
?
Steve
?
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:44 PM
Subject: Commander-List: FULL CIRCLE
HI KIDS.
I just had a neat experience.? I flew 680 (CONVERTED TO A 680e) from a small private
strip on the banks of the Columbia River, to my home airport.? The new owners
will be changing an engine there.?I have delivered lots of Commanders over
the years and even several 680s, so what makes this one different??? Well,
it is the very first Aero Commander?I ever actually touched!!? I had dreamed of
owning a Commander for a couple of years and was crop dusting in the Parlous
area of Washington state, south of Spokane.? I was finally in a position to buy
my first Commander and really wanted to see on up close and personal.? I was
told that a old (even then it was considered old) Commander in a hangar at Spokane's
Felts Field.? The first rainy day off?I had I drove to the airport to
look and sure enough, there it was.? It was parked in an open hangar with several
other, lessor, airplanes.? It was BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!? It was painted
with yellow and black?trim and had?sweringen main la
nding gear doors.? I thought they were stock and for a while thought other Commander
owners must have removed theirs!!? I spent a couple of hours just looking
and dreaming of the day when I would have my own.
Amazingly, we would cross paths again.? Many years later and after I had owner
a couple of Commanders (a 720 and a 560A), I took a job for just a few weeks flying
ag for an operator in western Washington State.? I owned a Beech Duke (sorry)
at the time and it would not operate from the short ag strip where the Commander
lived.? That owner sold it to a really nice guy named Jody Maddox and
after many years, Jody sold it to the new, current owners.? Since neither of
them have ANY Commander time, they hired me to move the airplane.? It was really
cool to actually fly the airplane that really started it all for me.? I got
to occupied the pilot seat I had longingly looked through the window at so many
years ago.? It went "Full Circle"? jb
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Thanks JimBob!
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FULL CIRCLE
Yes, they are still installed. I will look at the logs and see if
there is a date. jb
Anything in the paperwork to help nail that date?
Has it still got
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 4:34 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FULL CIRCLE
Hi JimBob,
My guess is that it's N6863S, s/n 380.
It was converted from a 680 to a 680E on April 14th 1972.
I know it had the Swearingen gear doors installed, but don't know
when.
Anything in the paperwork to help nail that date?
Has it still got them?
Very Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: yourtcfg@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 1:44 AM
Subject: Commander-List: FULL CIRCLE
HI KIDS.
I just had a neat experience. I flew 680 (CONVERTED TO A 680e) from
a small private strip on the banks of the Columbia River, to my home
airport. The new owners will be changing an engine there. I have
delivered lots of Commanders over the years and even several 680s, so
what makes this one different?? Well, it is the very first Aero
Commander I ever actually touched!! I had dreamed of owning a Commander
for a couple of years and was crop dusting in the Parlous area of
Washington state, south of Spokane. I was finally in a position to buy
my first Commander and really wanted to see on up close and personal. I
was told that a old (even then it was considered old) Commander in a
hangar at Spokane's Felts Field. The first rainy day off I had I drove
to the airport to look and sure enough, there it was. It was parked in
an open hangar with several other, lessor, airplanes. It was
BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was painted with yellow and black trim and
had sweringen main landing gear doors. I thought they were stock and
for a while thought other Commander owners must have removed theirs!! I
spent a couple of hours just looking and dreaming of the day when I
would have my own.
Amazingly, we would cross paths again. Many years later and after I
had owner a couple of Commanders (a 720 and a 560A), I took a job for
just a few weeks flying ag for an operator in western Washington State.
I owned a Beech Duke (sorry) at the time and it would not operate from
the short ag strip where the Commander lived. That owner sold it to a
really nice guy named Jody Maddox and after many years, Jody sold it to
the new, current owners. Since neither of them have ANY Commander time,
they hired me to move the airplane. It was really cool to actually fly
the airplane that really started it all for me. I got to occupied the
pilot seat I had longingly looked through the window at so many years
ago. It went "Full Circle" jb
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