---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/31/08: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:01 AM - Re: AC-680 FLP Engine RPM Fluctuation (Robert S. Randazzo) 2. 06:13 AM - Re: Re: (Robert S. Randazzo) 3. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: (BertBerry1@aol.com) 4. 07:53 AM - Anybody want to trade their P51 for my 500B? (Dan Farmer) 5. 09:07 AM - Re: (yourtcfg@aol.com) 6. 02:44 PM - Re: (Nancy Gilliam) 7. 06:33 PM - Sunset (Dan Farmer) 8. 07:04 PM - Re: Sunset (Alan Kucheck) 9. 08:02 PM - Re: Sunset (yourtcfg@aol.com) 10. 08:02 PM - Re: (yourtcfg@aol.com) 11. 08:57 PM - Re: Sunset (Jim Addington) 12. 09:22 PM - Re: Sunset (Robert S. Randazzo) 13. 09:27 PM - Re: Sunset (nico css) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:08 AM PST US From: "Robert S. Randazzo" Subject: RE: Commander-List: AC-680 FLP Engine RPM Fluctuation Gents- Trace wasn't racing their engine- they merely had one on display and were providing sales support for it. Even with a pair of V8s, the 685 wouldn't give much of a chase in the unlimited heat! Robert S. Randazzo N414C -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:55 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC-680 FLP Engine RPM Fluctuation BobsV35B@aol.com wrote: > Those folks wanted nothing to do with it even though the numbers > worked out quite favorably. Wow, I would have never thought I'd disagree with Old Bob on anything, but I have a little different perspective on this one. I suspect that if you took a poll of Turbine Commander and King Air owners that darn few of them have ever heard of the Orenda project, let alone evaluated it as an option. Since (to the best of my knowledge), no STC/certification was ever achieved for those airplanes ,no significant operating history exists, and no advertising was ever done in places where corp owners would have seen it, I don't think the product ever mad it out of the shadows. I also don't think that the engine would have ever gained much momentum without some significant operational experience. Corporate owners don't seem to be the type to pounce on a major unproven powerplant option to me. Nico's point that a few Reno win's would help put them on the map is valid, but they'd need a good test fleet building hours to make it attractive to the target market. I remember hearing that there were some significant problems with the Commander test vehicle, but don't remember the specifics. Anyone else know more than I do? cheers, Chris ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:26 AM PST US From: "Robert S. Randazzo" Subject: RE: Re: Commander-List: JB- What was that 985 hanging on? I've got a 1340 on the SNJ. I'd go look at foliage this weekend, but we're expecting a bit of a blower and the sage brush just turns from brownish green to brownish brown out here. :-p Robert S. Randazzo N414C From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:11 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: GREAT STUFF. I flew my P&W, R-985 last night looking at the fall foliage, the start procedures is just like that!!! I could ad that even the shut down is cool. Hold the brakes, don't point the prop blast at anything important. Advance the throttle to about 1500RPM and slowly move the mix to idle cut off. Then as the engine winds down, close the throttle. This scavenges oil out of the sump, back to the tank after the taxi. Not a bad idea in a Commander with geared engine ether, they are "dry sump" just like a radial. jb -----Original Message----- From: Jim Addington Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 7:29 am Subject: Commander-List: You young kids have all missed the boat, round engines are the best. Jim Addington Subject: Engines - Rotary vs. Turbine Between A Radial Engine And A Jet Engine Round engines are commonly known as Radial engines. The piston Jugs are placed in a circle. Hence "Round" engines. Turbine engines are known as Jet engines. We gotta get rid of those turbines, they're ruining aviation and our hearing. A turbine is too simple minded, it has no mystery. The air travels through it in a straight line and doesn't pick up any of the pungent fragrance of engine oil or pilot sweat. Anybody can start a turbine. You just need to move a switch from "OFF" to "START" and then remember to move it back to "ON" after a while. My PC is harder to start. Cranking a round engine requires skill, finesse and style. You have to seduce it into starting. It's like waking up a mistress On some planes, the pilots aren't even allowed to do it. Turbines start by whining for a while, then give a lady-like poof and start whining a little louder. Round engines give a satisfying rattle-rattle, click-click, BANG, more rattles, another BANG, a big macho FART or two, more clicks, a lot more smoke and finally a serious low pitched roar. We like that. It's a GUY thing. When you start a round engine, your mind is engaged and you can concentrate on the flight ahead. Starting turbine is like flicking on aceiling fan: Useful, but, hardly exciting. When you have started his round engine successfully your Crew Chief looks up at you like he'd let you kiss his girl, too! Turbines don't break or catch fire often enough, which leads to aircrew boredom, complacency and inattention. A round engine at speed looks and sounds like it's going to blow any minute. This helps concentrate the mind. Turbines don't have enough control levers or gauges to keep a pilot's attention. There's nothing to fiddle with during long flights. Turbines smell like a Boy Scout camp full of Coleman Lamps. Round engines smell like God intended machines to smell. Pass this on to an old WWII guy (or his son, or anyone who ever flew them) in remembrance of the "Greatest Generation". 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Hi all: - I received this from a friend- many of you may have seen it.- This tribute to the Gray Eagles (WWII pilots) was in conjunction with an ai rshow in Ohio called "The Final Roundup." -It was the last large gatherin g of the remaining P-51 Mustang fighters used during WWII. -There were ab out 120 of the fighters there, all of them in flying condition, of course. -The flyover seen at the end of the video is composed entirely of P51s spelling out the number 51. -It was an event that may never be seen again. http://www.grayeagles.org/video.htm Turn up the sound! I think it is terriffic. - dan - - -=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:54 AM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: From: yourtcfg@aol.com It is on a "homebuilt" Grumman Ag-Cat.=C2- It is now a three place, open c ockpit bi-plane, usually on floats but currently back on wheels.=C2- I lov e the 1340,=C2- flew Ag for 15 years and have many thousands of hours behi nd a 1340, geared 1340 and the 985.=C2- jb What was that 985 hanging on -----Original Message----- From: Robert S. Randazzo Sent: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 6:10 am Subject: RE: Re: Commander-List: JB- =C2- What was that 985 hanging on? =C2- I=99ve got a 1340 on the SNJ=C2- I=99d go look at fol iage this weekend, but we=99re expecting a bit of a blower and the sag e brush just turns from brownish green to brownish brown out here.=C2- :-p =C2- Robert S. Randazzo N414C =C2- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list -server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:11 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: =C2- GREAT STUFF.=C2- I flew my P&W,=C2-R-985 last night looking at the fall foliage, the start procedures is just like that!!!=C2- I could ad that eve n the shut down is cool.=C2- Hold the brakes, don't point the prop blast a t anything important.=C2- Advance the throttle to about 1500RPM=C2-and s lowly move the mix to idle cut off.=C2- Then as the engine winds down,=C2 -close the throttle.=C2- This scavenges oil out of the sump, back to the tank after the taxi.=C2- Not a bad idea in a Commander with geared engine ether, they are "dry sump" just like a radial.=C2- jb -----Original Message----- From: Jim Addington Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 7:29 am Subject: Commander-List: You young kids have all missed the boat, round engines are the best. Jim Addington =C2- =C2- Subject: Engines - Rotary vs. Turbine =C2- Between A Radial Engine And A Jet Engine Round engines are commonly known as Radial engines. The piston Jugs are placed in a circle. Hence "Round" engines. Turbine engines are known as Jet engines. We gotta get rid of those turbines, they're ruining aviation and our hearing. A turbine is too simple minded, it has no mystery. The air travels through it in a straight line and doesn't pick up any of the pungent fragrance of engine oil or pilot sweat. Anybody can start a turbine. You just need to move a switch from "OFF" to "START" and then remember to move it back to "ON" after a while. My PC is harder to start. Cranking a round engine requires skill, finesse and style. You have to seduce it into starting. It's like waking up a mistress On some planes, the pilots aren't even allowed to do it. Turbines start by whining for a while, then give a lady-like poof and start whining a little louder. Round engines give a satisfying rattle-rattle, click-click, BANG, more rattles, another BANG, a big macho FART or two, more clicks, a lot more smoke and finally a serious low pitched roar. We like that. It's a GUY thing. When you start a round engine, your mind is engaged and you can concentrate on the flight ahead. Starting turbine is like flicking on aceiling fan: Useful, but, hardly exciting. When you have started his round engine successfully your Crew Chief looks up at you like he'd let you kiss his girl, too! Turbines don't break or catch fire often enough, which leads to aircrew boredom, complacency and inattention. A round engine at speed looks and sounds like it's going to blow any minute. This helps concentrate the mind. Turbines don't have enough control levers or gauges to keep a pilot's attention. There's nothing to fiddle with during long flights. Turbines smell like a Boy Scout camp full of Coleman Lamps. Round engines smell like God intended machines to smell. Pass this on to an old WWII guy (or his son, or anyone who ever flew them) in remembrance of the "Greatest Generation". =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- AOL News. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:05 PM PST US From: Nancy Gilliam Subject: RE: Commander-List: Can you sell rides in the AG CAT ?? I assume it is in experimental catagory . I'm fighting with myself about going experimental with my 450 Stearman or going to the expense of standard catagory. I would like a wide seat in the front also. Of course my 500 Commander is my favorite go somewhere airplane. Roland Gilliam Oct 2008 12:05:06 -0400From: yourtcfg@aol.comIt is on a "homebuilt" Grumma n Ag-Cat. It is now a three place=2C open cockpit bi-plane=2C usually on f loats but currently back on wheels. I love the 1340=2C flew Ag for 15 yea rs and have many thousands of hours behind a 1340=2C geared 1340 and the 98 5. jb What was that 985 hanging on-----Original Message-----From: Robert S. Randa zzo To: commander-list@matronics.comSent: Fri=2C 31 Oct 2008 6:10 amSubject: RE: Re: Commander-List: JB- What was that 985 hanging on? I=92ve got a 1340 on the SNJ=85 I=92d go look at foliage this weekend=2C b ut we=92re expecting a bit of a blower and the sage brush just turns from b rownish green to brownish brown out here. :-p Robert S. Randazzo N414C From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg@aol.comSent: Thursday=2C Octo ber 30=2C 2008 9:11 AMTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Commande r-List: GREAT STUFF. I flew my P&W=2C R-985 last night looking at the fall foliage =2C the start procedures is just like that!!! I could ad that even the shu t down is cool. Hold the brakes=2C don't point the prop blast at anything important. Advance the throttle to about 1500RPM and slowly move the mix t o idle cut off. Then as the engine winds down=2C close the throttle. This scavenges oil out of the sump=2C back to the tank after the taxi. Not a b ad idea in a Commander with geared engine ether=2C they are "dry sump" just like a radial. jb-----Original Message-----From: Jim Addington To: Jim Addington Sent: Thu=2C 30 O ct 2008 7:29 amSubject: Commander-List: You young kids have all missed the boat=2C round engines are the best. Jim Addington Subject: Engines - Rotary vs. Turbine Between A Radial Engine And A Jet EngineRound engines are commonly known as Radial engines. The piston Jugsare placed in a circle. Hence "Round" engin es. Turbine engines areknown as Jet engines. We gotta get rid of those turb ines=2C they'reruining aviation and our hearing.A turbine is too simple min ded=2C it has no mystery. The air travelsthrough it in a straight line and doesn't pick up any of the pungentfragrance of engine oil or pilot sweat. A nybody can start a turbine.You just need to move a switch from "OFF" to "ST ART" and then rememberto move it back to "ON" after a while. My PC is harde r to start.Cranking a round engine requires skill=2C finesse and style. You have toseduce it into starting. It's like waking up a mistress On someplan es=2C the pilots aren't even allowed to do it. Turbines start bywhining for a while=2C then give a lady-like poof and start whining alittle louder.Rou nd engines give a satisfying rattle-rattle=2C click-click=2C BANG=2C morera ttles=2C another BANG=2C a big macho FART or two=2C more clicks=2C a lotmor e smoke and finally a serious low pitched roar. We like that. It'sa GUY thi ng.When you start a round engine=2C your mind is engaged and you canconcent rate on the flight ahead. Starting turbine is like flicking onaceiling fan: Useful=2C but=2C hardly exciting.When you have started his round engine suc cessfully your Crew Chieflooks up at you like he'd let you kiss his girl=2C too! Turbines don'tbreak or catch fire often enough=2C which leads to airc rew boredom=2Ccomplacency and inattention. A round engine at speed looks an d soundslike it's going to blow any minute. This helps concentrate the mind .Turbines don't have enough control levers or gauges to keep a pilot'satten tion. There's nothing to fiddle with during long flights.Turbines smell lik e a Boy Scout camp full of Coleman Lamps. Roundengines smell like God inten ded machines to smell.Pass this on to an old WWII guy (or his son=2C or any one who ever flewthem) in remembrance of the "Greatest Generation". AOL News. McCain or Obama? Stay up to date on the latest from the campaign tra2631/ao l?redir=http://news.aol.com/elections?ncid=emlcntusnews00000001"> AOL N ews. _________________________________________________________________ You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond your PC. R0lGODlhDgevBHcAMSH+GlNvZnR3YXJlOiBNaWNyb3NvZnQgT2ZmaWNlACH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAAB AAEAgAAAAAECAwICRAEAOw= R0lGODlh4AaQBHcAMSH+GlNvZnR3YXJlOiBNaWNyb3NvZnQgT2ZmaWNlACH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAAB AAEAgAAAAAECAwICRAEAOw= R0lGODlhsASEA3cAMSH+GlNvZnR3YXJlOiBNaWNyb3NvZnQgT2ZmaWNlACH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAAB AAEAgAAAAAECAwICRAEAOw= ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:57 PM PST US From: Dan Farmer Subject: Commander-List: Sunset -Landies and Gentlemen: - I was not going to mention this but all the talk about engines changed my m ind. Today was my last day at American Airlines.- I decided to retire early at 58 for many reasons.- Mostly after 31 years at American I want to do a d ifferent type of flying and also if I worked past Nov 1 I would have taken a wack on my retirement.- The engine part is that after 36 years and abou t 18000 hours in jets I have never had an engine failure.- One time in a B52 we shut one down for low oil pressure--WOW only 7 left, that is scary. - IF IT IS NOT BOEING I AM NOT GOING---unless it is a COMMANDER:-))) - dan =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:17 PM PST US From: "Alan Kucheck" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sunset Congratulations, Dan! Please post tales of your upcoming adventures... ak On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Dan Farmer wrote: > Landies and Gentlemen: > > I was not going to mention this but all the talk about engines changed my > mind. > Today was my last day at American Airlines. I decided to retire early at > 58 for many reasons. Mostly after 31 years at American I want to do a > different type of flying and also if I worked past Nov 1 I would have taken > a wack on my retirement. The engine part is that after 36 years and about > 18000 hours in jets I have never had an engine failure. One time in a B52 > we shut one down for low oil pressure--WOW only 7 left, that is scary. > > IF IT IS NOT BOEING I AM NOT GOING---unless it is a COMMANDER:-))) > > dan > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:54 PM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sunset From: yourtcfg@aol.com So this means you can go on the cruse with us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!? Yiippee!!? jb ?Landies and Gentlemen: ? I was not going to mention this but all the talk about engines changed my mind. Today was my last day at American Airlines.? -----Original Message----- From: Dan Farmer Sent: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 6:31 pm Subject: Commander-List: Sunset ?Landies and Gentlemen: ? I was not going to mention this but all the talk about engines changed my mind. Today was my last day at American Airlines.? I decided to retire early at 58 for many reasons.? Mostly after 31 years at American I want to do a different type of flying and also if I worked past Nov 1 I would have taken a wack on my retirement.? The engine part is that after 36 years and about 18000 hours in jets I have never had an engine failure.? One time in a B52 we shut one down for low oil pressure--WOW only 7 left, that is scary. ? IF IT IS NOT BOEING I AM NOT GOING---unless it is a COMMANDER:-))) ? dan ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:54 PM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: From: yourtcfg@aol.com Call me, 360-903-6901.=C2- jb Can you sell rides in the AG CAT ?? I assume it is in experimental catagory. -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Gilliam Sent: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 2:41 pm Subject: RE: Commander-List: Can you sell rides in the AG CAT ?? I assume it is in experimental catagory. I'm fighting with myself about going experimental with my 450 Stearman or g oing to the =C2- =C2-expense of=C2- standard catagory. I would like a wide seat in the fr ont also. Of course my 500 Commander is my favorite go somewhere airplane. =C2- Roland Gilliam =C2- Subject: Re: Commander-List: From: yourtcfg@aol.com It is on a "homebuilt" Grumman Ag-Cat.=C2- It is now a three place, open c ockpit bi-plane, usually on floats but currently back on wheels.=C2- I lov e the 1340,=C2- flew Ag for 15 years and have many thousands of hours behi nd a 1340, geared 1340 and the 985.=C2- jb What was that 985 hanging on -----Original Message----- From: Robert S. Randazzo Sent: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 6:10 am Subject: RE: Re: Commander-List: JB- =C2- What was that 985 hanging on? =C2- I=99ve got a 1340 on the SNJ=C2- I=99d go look at fol iage this weekend, but we=99re expecting a bit of a blower and the sag e brush just turns from brownish green to brownish brown out here.=C2- :-p =C2- Robert S. Randazzo N414C =C2- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list -server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:11 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: =C2- GREAT STUFF.=C2- I flew my P&W,=C2-R-985 last night looking at the fall foliage, the start procedures is just like that!!!=C2- I could ad that eve n the shut down is cool.=C2- Hold the brakes, don't point the prop blast a t anything important.=C2- Advance the throttle to about 1500RPM=C2-and s lowly move the mix to idle cut off.=C2- Then as the engine winds down,=C2 -close the throttle.=C2- This scavenges oil out of the sump, back to the tank after the taxi.=C2- Not a bad idea in a Commander with geared engine ether, they are "dry sump" just like a radial.=C2- jb -----Original Message----- From: Jim Addington Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 7:29 am Subject: Commander-List: You young kids have all missed the boat, round engines are the best. Jim Addington =C2- =C2- Subject: Engines - Rotary vs. Turbine =C2- Between A Radial Engine And A Jet Engine Round engines are commonly known as Radial engines. The piston Jugs are placed in a circle. Hence "Round" engines. Turbine engines are known as Jet engines. We gotta get rid of those turbines, they're ruining aviation and our hearing. A turbine is too simple minded, it has no mystery. The air travels through it in a straight line and doesn't pick up any of the pungent fragrance of engine oil or pilot sweat. Anybody can start a turbine. You just need to move a switch from "OFF" to "START" and then remember to move it back to "ON" after a while. My PC is harder to start. Cranking a round engine requires skill, finesse and style. You have to seduce it into starting. It's like waking up a mistress On some planes, the pilots aren't even allowed to do it. Turbines start by whining for a while, then give a lady-like poof and start whining a little louder. Round engines give a satisfying rattle-rattle, click-click, BANG, more rattles, another BANG, a big macho FART or two, more clicks, a lot more smoke and finally a serious low pitched roar. We like that. It's a GUY thing. When you start a round engine, your mind is engaged and you can concentrate on the flight ahead. Starting turbine is like flicking on aceiling fan: Useful, but, hardly exciting. When you have started his round engine successfully your Crew Chief looks up at you like he'd let you kiss his girl, too! Turbines don't break or catch fire often enough, which leads to aircrew boredom, complacency and inattention. A round engine at speed looks and sounds like it's going to blow any minute. This helps concentrate the mind. Turbines don't have enough control levers or gauges to keep a pilot's attention. There's nothing to fiddle with during long flights. Turbines smell like a Boy Scout camp full of Coleman Lamps. Round engines smell like God intended machines to smell. Pass this on to an old WWII guy (or his son, or anyone who ever flew them) in remembrance of the "Greatest Generation". =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- AOL News. McCain or Obama? Stay up to date on the latest from the campaign tra2631/aol ?redir=http://news.aol.com/elections?ncid=emlcntusnews00000001"> AOL New s. You live life beyond your PC. So now556/direct/01/' target='_new'>See how = ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:38 PM PST US From: "Jim Addington" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Sunset CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You will enjoy it. Jim _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Farmer Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 8:31 PM Subject: Commander-List: Sunset Landies and Gentlemen: I was not going to mention this but all the talk about engines changed my mind. Today was my last day at American Airlines. I decided to retire early at 58 for many reasons. Mostly after 31 years at American I want to do a different type of flying and also if I worked past Nov 1 I would have taken a wack on my retirement. The engine part is that after 36 years and about 18000 hours in jets I have never had an engine failure. One time in a B52 we shut one down for low oil pressure--WOW only 7 left, that is scary. IF IT IS NOT BOEING I AM NOT GOING---unless it is a COMMANDER:-))) dan ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:03 PM PST US From: "Robert S. Randazzo" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Sunset Dan- Congratulations on achieving Controlled Flight into Retirement! Many of our colleagues around the industry aren't so fortunate to make it to a position where they can choose the retire or depart the industry on their own terms. We'll pull up another stool to the Voluntary Former Airline Pilots Fraternal and Drinking Association. Of course- since you mentioned wanting to do a "different type of flying" you are now obligated to explain yourself. J Robert S. Randazzo N414C VFAPF&DA Member From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Farmer Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:31 PM Subject: Commander-List: Sunset Landies and Gentlemen: I was not going to mention this but all the talk about engines changed my mind. Today was my last day at American Airlines. I decided to retire early at 58 for many reasons. Mostly after 31 years at American I want to do a different type of flying and also if I worked past Nov 1 I would have taken a wack on my retirement. The engine part is that after 36 years and about 18000 hours in jets I have never had an engine failure. One time in a B52 we shut one down for low oil pressure--WOW only 7 left, that is scary. IF IT IS NOT BOEING I AM NOT GOING---unless it is a COMMANDER:-))) dan D======================== ========= D======================== ========= D======================== ========= D======================== ========= ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:06 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Sunset Totally envious, Dan. Totally. I'll have to grind till I drop. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Farmer Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:31 PM Subject: Commander-List: Sunset Landies and Gentlemen: I was not going to mention this but all the talk about engines changed my mind. Today was my last day at American Airlines. I decided to retire early at 58 for many reasons. Mostly after 31 years at American I want to do a different type of flying and also if I worked past Nov 1 I would have taken a wack on my retirement. The engine part is that after 36 years and about 18000 hours in jets I have never had an engine failure. One time in a B52 we shut one down for low oil pressure--WOW only 7 left, that is scary. IF IT IS NOT BOEING I AM NOT GOING---unless it is a COMMANDER:-))) dan D======================== ========= D======================== ========= D======================== ========= D======================== ========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message commander-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/commander-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.