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0. 12:18 AM - Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... (Matt Dralle)
1. 04:33 AM - Re: FUTURE OF AVIATION (Steele, Bob)
2. 04:37 AM - Re: possessed (Steele, Bob)
3. 04:51 AM - Re: possessed (Wiliam Boelte)
4. 05:04 AM - Re: FUTURE OF AVIATION (Steve at Col-East)
5. 05:06 AM - Re: FUTURE OF AVIATION (N395V)
6. 05:10 AM - Re: possessed (N395V)
7. 05:25 AM - Re: possessed (Gary Moshluk)
8. 05:38 AM - Re: FUTURE OF AVIATION (N395V)
9. 05:49 AM - Re: possessed (Moe-rosspistons)
10. 05:51 AM - Re: possessed (Moe-rosspistons)
11. 07:06 AM - Recent Postings (Barry Collman)
12. 07:18 AM - Re: Recent Postings (nico css)
13. 07:19 AM - Re: Re: FUTURE OF AVIATION (Steve at Col-East)
14. 07:31 AM - Re: Recent Postings (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
15. 07:34 AM - FW: An Obituary printed in the London Times (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
16. 07:35 AM - Re: Recent Postings (Barry Collman)
17. 07:59 AM - Re: Recent Postings (Barry Collman)
18. 08:36 AM - Re: Re: FUTURE OF AVIATION (Jim Addington)
19. 08:55 AM - Re: Re: FUTURE OF AVIATION (John Vormbaum)
20. 09:00 AM - Re: Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... (Therock24@aol.com)
21. 10:37 AM - Re: Re: FUTURE OF AVIATION (nico css)
22. 03:31 PM - Re: possessed (drwer2)
23. 05:21 PM - Re: Re: possessed (Budplaster@aol.com)
24. 06:43 PM - Apology to all (willis robison)
25. 08:12 PM - Re: Apology to all (nico css)
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Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
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Subject: | FUTURE OF AVIATION |
Robert,
I disagree with you. Too much at stake.
Regards,
Bob
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
S. Randazzo
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 8:17 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FUTURE OF AVIATION
Fellow Commanders-
One of the things that makes these United States a wonderful country is
that a) we have the RIGHT to speak our mind, b) we have the OBLIGATION
to respect other's opinions, and c) we get to vote at the local, state
and federal levels to set direction for our nation.
Unfortunately, in the age of 24hr media coverage many of us seem to
focus on our rights without giving much thought to our obligations.
This whole Red State/Blue State, My Guy vs. Your Guy, My Issue vs. Your
Issue is creating a country completely polarized around the ends and
soft in the middle.
The partisanship of the past twenty years has caused an unfortunate
majority of people to forget that some of us don't care where you are
from, or what God you pray to, or what you think our national agenda
should be. Why don't we care? Because you are a fellow American- and
at the end of the day all that matters is that you love our country,
participate positively in the process and don't close your mind or your
ears to viewpoints other than your own.
So with that being said, I'd like to politely request that we leave
discussion of our national politics to discussion lists set up
specifically for that purpose.
Last I checked this list was for all of us Commander owners and
enthusiasts to share knowledge and our love of the airplane...and "we
Americans" aren't the only ones in the room.
Whomever might win our election on Tuesday (or however many days
afterward that it might take) it will not change the fact that Commander
parts are hard to come by, hydraulic pumps will leak, occasionally some
of us need sound advice from more experienced commander owners, or maybe
we just some good old fashioned camaraderie based around a common
interest.
If you feel that you must tell the members of this list your political
views: Put a McCain or Obama bumper sticker on your commander, and at
the next Fly-In everyone will know how you voted... But please- let's
leave this list for its primary purpose.
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 4:05 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FUTURE OF AVIATION
Politics are such a large factor in our lives, especially in this
election, that it is hard to keep it out of our regular discourse, such
as the future of aviation and that a pilot may well be our
commander-in-chief on Wednesday. Some folks still believe that it will
be just business as usual after Tuesday. Regardless of who wins, this
country will have to adapt to the threats that stack up against her from
the outside and the inside.
Forgive me for passing this along on this list, but the Christians among
us may want to take a look at this http:www.acu.org/prayerchain.asp
<http://www.acu.org/prayerchain.asp> . Those who do not believe in
Christ, folks, I still love you for the other bonds that keep us
together which I cherish and treasure. Having been upfront about what
can be expected at this link, you may choose to go or not to go there
before you go there. As a wise old farmer once said, sometimes you get
and sometimes you get got. This is not one of those.
However you guys vote on Tuesday, vote wisely and vote so that you can
live with it later.
Nico
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yourtcfg@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 3:33 PM
Subject: Commander-List: FUTURE OF AVIATION
HI KIDS....
I have never before entered the realm of politics with the Flight Group,
but this year is crucial to the future of what brings us together,
aviation. AOPA has for years been fighting the good fight against
higher cost and reduced access for GA airplanes. They may soon be dealt
a blow that they cant overcome. As we prepare to vote for president
this year PLEASE remember this. Love him or hate him, George Bush IS
NOT RUNNING!!!!! John Mccain is. John is a pilot, a naval aviator.
What you may not know is that his wife, Cindy, is also a pilot and the
Maccain family operates a GA airplane. Imagine having both the
president and first lady GA PILOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But wait, it gets
better. Sarah Palin's husband, Todd, is also a private pilot with a
current third class medical and the Palin family owns and operates a GA
airplane, a Super Cub. Sarah Palin comes from a state the literally
survives on the wings of GA airplanes.
There are many reasons to vote for an individual candidate, but I cant
imagine not voting for a "Dream Team Ticket" like this for GA.
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Danger Will Robinson - Danger.
Good grief - get a grip.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of willis
robison
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:05 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: possessed
Well, you finally did it.
I could put up with a lot of BS on this website.....just for the sake of
gleaning some Aero Commander wisdom and insight.
But Your Politics, Religion and Ignorance is too much. I quit.
wer.
--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Jim Addington <jtaddington@verizon.net> wrote:
From: Jim Addington <jtaddington@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: possessed
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 5:06 PM
Or trying to give you a hint,
Jim A
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owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 6:52 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: possessed
Is my Microsoft Word trying to tell me something?
Whenever I type Obama my spellchecker suggests Osama. It must be broken.
I don't know.
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You will not be missed.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: willis robison
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, 02 November, 2008 20:05
Subject: RE: Commander-List: possessed
Well, you finally did it.
I could put up with a lot of BS on this website.....just for the
sake of gleaning some Aero Commander wisdom and insight.
But Your Politics, Religion and Ignorance is too much. I
quit.
wer.
--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Jim Addington <jtaddington@verizon.net>
wrote:
From: Jim Addington <jtaddington@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: possessed
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 5:06 PM
Or trying to give you a hint,
Jim A
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owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 6:52 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: possessed
Is my Microsoft Word trying to tell me something?
Whenever I type Obama my spellchecker suggests Osama. It must
be broken. I don't know.
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Subject: | Re: FUTURE OF AVIATION |
Chris, I respectfully disagree with some (but certainly not all of what
you said) in a couple messages. Not much good can come from political or
religious postings on this list. Nothing will be learned and no minds
will change.
It doesn't matter how thoughtful or studied someone's point of view is.
It would nice if everyone were free to stand up and be heard, but no one
is seriously interested in hearing what it is you have to say. Say
something that goes against the party line and a dozen free-thinking
'ditto-heads' will shout you down and impune your honor, intelligence,
and patriotism, without having a clue as to who you are or how you live.
Go ahead, try it! I have, and I'm not much liked. Most people would
prefer to spit across the aisle at each other. Maybe this time will be
different.
All I've seen so far is an accusation of a 600% increase in gas taxes,
and Obama is tired of living out of a jet.
Steve
P.S. If my signature has Col-East in it, the opinions are mine.
Commander folks, please don't hold it against the company if you ever do
business with us. These are good people here.
----- Original Message -----
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:30 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FUTURE OF AVIATION
nico css wrote:
> I am truly sorry I offended you and others, Will.
Nico,
Don't apologize for having a strongly held opinion about the future of
the country. I'm betting it's an opinion based upon a thorough study of
the issues and peoples involved and not simply following the herd.
We've got way to much of people bowing down trying not to "offend"
anyone going on right now. All we're ending up with is an erosion of
personal liberties, freedoms, and rights. If the qualities that made
this country great or worth fighting for, then stand up and be heard!
Chris
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: FUTURE OF AVIATION |
Well if the jackass wins I want all of you to keep working hard so he can re distribute
your income to me cause I'm gonna quit working when everything is provided
FREE by the guvmnt.
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Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
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> That thin skinned piss ant is likely one of those jerks that would laugh at the
Sarah Palin hanging Halloween Decoration in California and call it art... I
certainly hope to not have an Obomination of an election Tuesday! Oops! My spell
check worked but I sent it anyway!
>
>
I don't know you but I am pretty certain I would enjoy getting drunk with you.
Don't worry pissant if your guy wins you will not need any knowledge about Twin
Commanders because no one will be able to afford to own or fly one.
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Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
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I have to agree with Nico wholeheartedly; one cannot separate one from
the other.
Face the undeniable fact that the very soul of our beloved country is in
the balance. Anyone who thinks otherwise is having an equally hard time
keeping his brain warm. Those brilliant men who crafted our
constitution would puke to see what a mess we've made of this Republic.
Will our nation survive an obviously rancid choice...perhaps; but the
damage that is done will require years (decades) to repair - if at all.
At this point we're not even sure one of the candidates has a valid
birth certificate much less the rampant Obamanation of voter fraud -
treason in the extreme.
We're on the brink of an era of fascism that will directly affect our
freedom to exist much less fly. Vote for the fascist and his willing
accomplices in the House and Senate and kiss your sweet Commander
goodbye.
No wait - I know; let's spread the wealth instead. Just pass the keys
to your Commander on to some deserving soul who needs a place to stay.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Steele, Bob
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:34 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: possessed
Danger Will Robinson - Danger.
Good grief - get a grip.
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of willis
robison
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:05 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: possessed
Well, you finally did it.
I could put up with a lot of BS on this website.....just for the
sake of gleaning some Aero Commander wisdom and insight.
But Your Politics, Religion and Ignorance is too much. I
quit.
wer.
--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Jim Addington <jtaddington@verizon.net>
wrote:
From: Jim Addington <jtaddington@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: possessed
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 5:06 PM
Or trying to give you a hint,
Jim A
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 6:52 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: possessed
Is my Microsoft Word trying to tell me something?
Whenever I type Obama my spellchecker suggests Osama. It must be
broken. I don't know.
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Subject: | Re: FUTURE OF AVIATION |
Gosh Steve, I thought we had gotten you back on the right track and permanently
pulled your head out of your butt. You are having a relapse?
Only rumors about gas taxes?
How about the candidate himself saying he is going to redistribute income because
"it is fair"
He himself says we are selfish if we wish to keep what we work for.
His running mate has only contributed $3,000 to charity over the last several years
out of the millions he has made. And I'm selfish?
THIS GUY IS NUTS, HES DANGEROUS, AT BEST A SOCIALIST AND IN ALL LIKELIHOOD A COMMUNIST.
READ THESE WORDS HE WILL DESTROY THIS COUNTRY with the help of naieve folks like
you and the pissant.
ps I won't hold your opinions against your company.
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Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
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Mr. Willis Robison,
You sir, are very narrow minded, your judgment of others is a bit hasty,
and you are intolerant to the extreme. Why do you feel so threatened by
reading the opinions of others? This election will effect Commander
owners more than anything that we have yet to discuss. The point here
is, that if Obama wins we will have very little to discuss on the forum.
Moe Mills
N680RR
680Fp
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: willis robison
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 6:05 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: possessed
Well, you finally did it.
I could put up with a lot of BS on this website.....just for the
sake of gleaning some Aero Commander wisdom and insight.
But Your Politics, Religion and Ignorance is too much. I quit.
wer.
--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Jim Addington <jtaddington@verizon.net>
wrote:
From: Jim Addington <jtaddington@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: possessed
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 5:06 PM
Or trying to give you a hint,
Jim A
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owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 6:52 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: possessed
Is my Microsoft Word trying to tell me something?
Whenever I type Obama my spellchecker suggests Osama. It must be
broken. I don't know.
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Nico,
No Apoligy is necessary. Some people can't stand the truth. You are
right and he is wrong.
Moe Mills
N680RR
680Fp
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: nico css
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 6:33 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: possessed
I am truly sorry I offended you and others, Will. There is no doubt
about who I am and what I stand for.
No defense.
When the moon is full, I get this way. And Tuesday is full moon.
You can quit over my politics and my religion; it's sad but an
acceptable reason, but don't mock my ignorance, please.
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of willis
robison
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 6:05 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: possessed
Well, you finally did it.
I could put up with a lot of BS on this website.....just for the
sake of gleaning some Aero Commander wisdom and insight.
But Your Politics, Religion and Ignorance is too much. I quit.
wer.
--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Jim Addington <jtaddington@verizon.net>
wrote:
From: Jim Addington <jtaddington@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: possessed
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 5:06 PM
Or trying to give you a hint,
Jim A
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owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 6:52 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: possessed
Is my Microsoft Word trying to tell me something?
Whenever I type Obama my spellchecker suggests Osama. It must be
broken. I don't know.
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Hi All,
No doubt if Matt Dralle experiences a large upsurge of new subscribers
to our Chatlist, it will be people Worldwide switching from watching
NASCAR racing, in order to cure their insomnia.
I know you've all got more pressing matters on your minds right now, but
a few messages of congratulations to Lewis Hamilton will not go amiss.
Best Regards,
Barry
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And the guy who bet 10 years ago that he would win it, collected 165,000
quid.
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:01 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Recent Postings
Hi All,
No doubt if Matt Dralle experiences a large upsurge of new subscribers to
our Chatlist, it will be people Worldwide switching from watching NASCAR
racing, in order to cure their insomnia.
I know you've all got more pressing matters on your minds right now, but a
few messages of congratulations to Lewis Hamilton will not go amiss.
Best Regards,
Barry
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Subject: | Re: FUTURE OF AVIATION |
Milt, nothing I could say would make you think my head wasn't still up my
butt. So I won't try too awful hard.
I'm tired of being lied to by both sides. Arguements are pushed to ridiculus
extremes. Facts don't matter. And now we pick our news sources that tell us
what we already believe. (An email is not a news source.) Pick the most
extreme lefty or righty, and knock down a straw man.
Our government over the last eight years has been incompetant (and in many
ways radical). Genuine old-time conservatives have been abandoning the
current policies and party in droves. Most of those conservatives a lot
smarter than I am.
I don't believe Obama's nuts. I don't believe he's a commie. If he governs
from the center, and listens to dissenting opinions, he might just do ok.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "N395V" <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:36 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: FUTURE OF AVIATION
> <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>
>
> Gosh Steve, I thought we had gotten you back on the right track and
> permanently pulled your head out of your butt. You are having a relapse?
>
> Only rumors about gas taxes?
>
> How about the candidate himself saying he is going to redistribute income
> because "it is fair"
>
> He himself says we are selfish if we wish to keep what we work for.
>
> His running mate has only contributed $3,000 to charity over the last
> several years out of the millions he has made. And I'm selfish?
>
> THIS GUY IS NUTS, HES DANGEROUS, AT BEST A SOCIALIST AND IN ALL LIKELIHOOD
> A COMMUNIST.
>
> READ THESE WORDS HE WILL DESTROY THIS COUNTRY with the help of naieve
> folks like you and the pissant.
>
> ps I won't hold your opinions against your company.
>
> --------
> Milt
> 2003 F1 Rocket
> 2006 Radial Rocket
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212028#212028
>
>
>
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bc=2C i agree. kudos to mr hamilton on a job well done and w/ class. gmc
From: nico@cybersuperstore.comTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubject: RE:
Commander-List: Recent PostingsDate: Mon=2C 3 Nov 2008 07:14:14 -0800
And the guy who bet 10 years ago that he would win it=2C collected 165=2C00
0 quid.
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry CollmanSent: Monday=2C November
03=2C 2008 7:01 AMTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubject: Commander-List:
Recent Postings
Hi All=2C
No doubt if Matt Dralle experiences a large upsurge of new subscribers to o
ur Chatlist=2C it will be people Worldwide switching from watching NASCAR r
acing=2C in order to cure their insomnia.
I know you've all got more pressing matters on your minds right now=2C but
a few messages of congratulations to Lewis Hamilton will not go amiss.
Best Regards=2C
Barry
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Subject: | FW: An Obituary printed in the London Times |
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Subject: | Re: Recent Postings |
Well, anyone who placed such a bet when Lewis was aged just 13 must have
had a crystal ball.
I can only imagine what must be going through the guy's mind when Lewis
lost the necessary 5th place only to retrieve it again, with a matter of
just a few hundred yards to go, in the last of a season of 18 races that
totalled over 3,120 miles.
If the script for this season's F1 Championship had been a movie,
everyone would say it was too far-fetched.
A truly amazing end to the F1 Championship.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 3:14 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Recent Postings
And the guy who bet 10 years ago that he would win it, collected
165,000 quid.
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:01 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Recent Postings
Hi All,
No doubt if Matt Dralle experiences a large upsurge of new subscribers
to our Chatlist, it will be people Worldwide switching from watching
NASCAR racing, in order to cure their insomnia.
I know you've all got more pressing matters on your minds right now,
but a few messages of congratulations to Lewis Hamilton will not go
amiss.
Best Regards,
Barry
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Subject: | Re: Recent Postings |
"With Class" - You're so right Mason.
He is truly a role model to all youngsters and a credit to his family
and Country.
If only they were all like him, instead of the knife-wielding mindless
thugs who prevail nowadays, the World would be a far nicer place.
----- Original Message -----
From: MASON CHEVAILLIER
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 3:28 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Recent Postings
bc, i agree. kudos to mr hamilton on a job well done and w/ class.
gmc
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From: nico@cybersuperstore.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Recent Postings
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:14:14 -0800
And the guy who bet 10 years ago that he would win it, collected
165,000 quid.
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:01 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Recent Postings
Hi All,
No doubt if Matt Dralle experiences a large upsurge of new subscribers
to our Chatlist, it will be people Worldwide switching from watching
NASCAR racing, in order to cure their insomnia.
I know you've all got more pressing matters on your minds right now,
but a few messages of congratulations to Lewis Hamilton will not go
amiss.
Best Regards,
Barry
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Subject: | Re: FUTURE OF AVIATION |
Milt,
I usually put my foot in my mouth up to the knee but Obama does not scare
me, he terrifies me. The damage his thinking and with the help of his
friends will destroy the country. He has said he would side with the Muslims
if it came down to it. That should be enough but then when he has said he
will reduce the military which would tell the world we are weak. He plans to
take the money from people that have worked hard and worried and sweated to
make and give it to people that are too lazy to work. I have seen several
clips where groups of people have been ask what he has accomplished and no
one could come up with any thing. He would rarely vote for anything unless
it was extremely liberal and the rest of the time he would just vote here.
He won't put his hand over his heart when the pledge of allegiance is said
and will not wear an American flag on his coat.
Sorry I got wound up but when it comes to my country I do real fast. I spent
my time in the Air Force and although I am too old now I would still do what
I could to protect this country.
Jim A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:36 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: FUTURE OF AVIATION
Gosh Steve, I thought we had gotten you back on the right track and
permanently pulled your head out of your butt. You are having a relapse?
Only rumors about gas taxes?
How about the candidate himself saying he is going to redistribute income
because "it is fair"
He himself says we are selfish if we wish to keep what we work for.
His running mate has only contributed $3,000 to charity over the last
several years out of the millions he has made. And I'm selfish?
THIS GUY IS NUTS, HES DANGEROUS, AT BEST A SOCIALIST AND IN ALL LIKELIHOOD A
COMMUNIST.
READ THESE WORDS HE WILL DESTROY THIS COUNTRY with the help of naieve folks
like you and the pissant.
ps I won't hold your opinions against your company.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212028#212028
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Subject: | Re: FUTURE OF AVIATION |
Actually I think our founding fathers would be quite satisfied with how
things are working. We're still here, after 232 years. Not Rome yet, but
we're still chugging along. The Constitution is still our governing
document. We're still (barely) managing to maintain the separation of
church & state. And no matter how bad things are, the guy in charge can
only continue it for a maximum of 8 years....and then he's ineligible to
run for office again. Obama wins and you don't like it? No problem, we
can vote him out in 2012. Or he's gone for good anyway in 2016.
There is ALWAYS a "sky is falling" mentality, and the media perpetuates
it. In 1985 when I got my first car loan, the interest rate on it was
12.5% through a major lender. Fallout from the Carter era? The last
great socialist who won the office on a platform of "Change?" He lasted
one term and we hastily voted him out on his ass.
Clinton was going to ruin the country too, I recall. He did institute
the assault weapon ban, which really upset many competitive shooters
like myself, but when he left office we had a budget SURPLUS....which
GWB spent in about a year.
This never ends. Go back a ways....how'd Calvin Coolidge do? His
policies essentially resulted in the Great Depression. And wow, we
survived that too.
I'm a fiscal conservative. I'm a registered Republican. I own my own
business, and it's probably going to be a target of Obama's tax
policies, so I have that to look forward to. GA is going to suffer as
well. But 4 years from now, there will still be capitalism, still be
airplanes, and still be pilots, rich and poor. The only change will be
who occupies the oval office. I also view the mainstream media as mildly
entertaining fiction. Good for an hour of yuks at night, but that's
about it.
Weather the storm. VOTE. And be vocal on the local and state level where
the people who need YOUR votes might actually be able to do something.
This will be my only opinion post. I'll continue to judiciously use the
delete button on my Commander List emails for the ones that don't
interest me.
This will also be my only plea to get everyone to VOTE TOMORROW.
Regardless of what anybody tells you, your vote STILL DOES MATTER.
Cheers,
/John
Jim Addington wrote:
>
> Milt,
> I usually put my foot in my mouth up to the knee but Obama does not scare
> me, he terrifies me. The damage his thinking and with the help of his
> friends will destroy the country. He has said he would side with the Muslims
> if it came down to it. That should be enough but then when he has said he
> will reduce the military which would tell the world we are weak. He plans to
> take the money from people that have worked hard and worried and sweated to
> make and give it to people that are too lazy to work. I have seen several
> clips where groups of people have been ask what he has accomplished and no
> one could come up with any thing. He would rarely vote for anything unless
> it was extremely liberal and the rest of the time he would just vote here.
> He won't put his hand over his heart when the pledge of allegiance is said
> and will not wear an American flag on his coat.
> Sorry I got wound up but when it comes to my country I do real fast. I spent
> my time in the Air Force and although I am too old now I would still do what
> I could to protect this country.
> Jim A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:36 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: FUTURE OF AVIATION
>
>
> Gosh Steve, I thought we had gotten you back on the right track and
> permanently pulled your head out of your butt. You are having a relapse?
>
> Only rumors about gas taxes?
>
> How about the candidate himself saying he is going to redistribute income
> because "it is fair"
>
> He himself says we are selfish if we wish to keep what we work for.
>
> His running mate has only contributed $3,000 to charity over the last
> several years out of the millions he has made. And I'm selfish?
>
> THIS GUY IS NUTS, HES DANGEROUS, AT BEST A SOCIALIST AND IN ALL LIKELIHOOD A
> COMMUNIST.
>
> READ THESE WORDS HE WILL DESTROY THIS COUNTRY with the help of naieve folks
> like you and the pissant.
>
> ps I won't hold your opinions against your company.
>
> --------
> Milt
> 2003 F1 Rocket
> 2006 Radial Rocket
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212028#212028
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Hi Matt
Please remove me from your list I no longer own a commander. I have enjoyed
all the info that i reviewed while I owned a commander.
Thanks
Rocky
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dralle@matronics.com writes:
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Subject: | Re: FUTURE OF AVIATION |
Great post, John. I sat in church yesterday and the pastor preached pretty
much the same thing.
Oh, I won't quit because of this. Sorry about that.
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: FUTURE OF AVIATION
Actually I think our founding fathers would be quite satisfied with how
things are working. We're still here, after 232 years. Not Rome yet, but
we're still chugging along. The Constitution is still our governing
document. We're still (barely) managing to maintain the separation of church
& state. And no matter how bad things are, the guy in charge can only
continue it for a maximum of 8 years....and then he's ineligible to run for
office again. Obama wins and you don't like it? No problem, we can vote him
out in 2012. Or he's gone for good anyway in 2016.
There is ALWAYS a "sky is falling" mentality, and the media perpetuates it.
In 1985 when I got my first car loan, the interest rate on it was 12.5%
through a major lender. Fallout from the Carter era? The last great
socialist who won the office on a platform of "Change?" He lasted one term
and we hastily voted him out on his ass.
Clinton was going to ruin the country too, I recall. He did institute the
assault weapon ban, which really upset many competitive shooters like
myself, but when he left office we had a budget SURPLUS....which GWB spent
in about a year.
This never ends. Go back a ways....how'd Calvin Coolidge do? His policies
essentially resulted in the Great Depression. And wow, we survived that too.
I'm a fiscal conservative. I'm a registered Republican. I own my own
business, and it's probably going to be a target of Obama's tax policies, so
I have that to look forward to. GA is going to suffer as well. But 4 years
from now, there will still be capitalism, still be airplanes, and still be
pilots, rich and poor. The only change will be who occupies the oval office.
I also view the mainstream media as mildly entertaining fiction. Good for an
hour of yuks at night, but that's about it.
Weather the storm. VOTE. And be vocal on the local and state level where the
people who need YOUR votes might actually be able to do something.
This will be my only opinion post. I'll continue to judiciously use the
delete button on my Commander List emails for the ones that don't interest
me.
This will also be my only plea to get everyone to VOTE TOMORROW.
Regardless of what anybody tells you, your vote STILL DOES MATTER.
Cheers,
/John
Jim Addington wrote:
> --> <jtaddington@verizon.net>
>
> Milt,
> I usually put my foot in my mouth up to the knee but Obama does not
> scare me, he terrifies me. The damage his thinking and with the help
> of his friends will destroy the country. He has said he would side
> with the Muslims if it came down to it. That should be enough but then
> when he has said he will reduce the military which would tell the
> world we are weak. He plans to take the money from people that have
> worked hard and worried and sweated to make and give it to people that
> are too lazy to work. I have seen several clips where groups of people
> have been ask what he has accomplished and no one could come up with
> any thing. He would rarely vote for anything unless it was extremely
liberal and the rest of the time he would just vote here.
> He won't put his hand over his heart when the pledge of allegiance is
> said and will not wear an American flag on his coat.
> Sorry I got wound up but when it comes to my country I do real fast. I
> spent my time in the Air Force and although I am too old now I would
> still do what I could to protect this country.
> Jim A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V
> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:36 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: FUTURE OF AVIATION
>
> --> <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>
>
> Gosh Steve, I thought we had gotten you back on the right track and
> permanently pulled your head out of your butt. You are having a relapse?
>
> Only rumors about gas taxes?
>
> How about the candidate himself saying he is going to redistribute
> income because "it is fair"
>
> He himself says we are selfish if we wish to keep what we work for.
>
> His running mate has only contributed $3,000 to charity over the last
> several years out of the millions he has made. And I'm selfish?
>
> THIS GUY IS NUTS, HES DANGEROUS, AT BEST A SOCIALIST AND IN ALL
> LIKELIHOOD A COMMUNIST.
>
> READ THESE WORDS HE WILL DESTROY THIS COUNTRY with the help of naieve
> folks like you and the pissant.
>
> ps I won't hold your opinions against your company.
>
> --------
> Milt
> 2003 F1 Rocket
> 2006 Radial Rocket
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212028#212028
>
>
>
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Nico, you have no need to apologize, especially to me. Ive followed your comments
in the past and have no problem with them, per se.
However. I shouldn't have signed off so bluntly, and without explaining myself.
For that I owe you an apology. The following is a more apt description of
my intent.
"Victor". I could care less about your opinion. I didn't sign up to listen to
you Bull-Shit about politics, religion or anything else for that matter. This
is probably the only forum you have that will allow you vent your spleen.
I don't care if you are baptist,Muslim, Hindu or catholic.
I don't care if you are Rush Limbaugh's Valium connection
I don't care if you vote for McCain, Obama, Anglea Davis or Adolph Hitler. IMHO,
as a nation, we are in deep Sununu, regardless of candidate, and Ill still stand
to defend it.
I also don't care what you ate for breakfast for that matter. It irrelevant to
This Forum.
What I do care about, is that you've chosen to debase the value and integrity of
the Commander List and insulted everyone intelligence. Every time you espouse
your "beliefs", ridicule or denigrate the efforts of others trying to provide,
improve and maintain a wholesome a beneficial forum such as this, You are
slowly destroying the thing you say you defend.
Yeah, I'm pissed off. I was pissed off IN Vietnam and IN Korea. I get pissed
off, every time people say they are patriotic out one side their mouth, and then
simultaneously set about to destroy the freedoms (like the commander-list)
simply to make themselves look good in the 'eyes' of others. You are a sycophant
obfuscating the good nature of these people, just to make yourself feel good.
I could care less.
Thin- skinned. YOU BET , I AM and tired of defending twits who work thier Mouths
more than thier Backs.
I encourage you to vote. Just keep the results and your opinion to yourself.
If you want to voice your political believes, find a forum for that. Hell, Call
Rush, I'm sure he'd be glad to hear his palaver read back to him.
If you want to voice your relilgious beliefs....go to church.
If you just want to rant.....rant to your wife (or significant other, if you are
of that persuasion) or just kick the dog.
Just keep it out of the list. If the moderator had any Huevos, he would have cut
off the discussion as required by the by-laws. Instead, by allowing your little
"Freedom of Speech" He's allowed the list to become polarized. In the
future, I hope he does a better job at filter out the crap.
Gentlemen, if you have any questions regarding the health, maintenance or improvement
of anything Aero Commander Related, it would be a pleasure to share that
information with you.
Willis E. Robison, Ph.D., P.E. Aerospace
former USAF, 803rd Combat support Group and 555 Tactical Fighter wing.
Ret. Hamilton Sundstrand/PWC
"That thin skinned piss ant........... offend those that need offending.
Victor "
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WER,
You made this forum what it is currently by your adverse reaction to an
opinion written by a member. I think your reaction was initially very succinct
and honest. When others disagreed with your position you chose to get typically
nasty, as many with your views do. Then, you chose to get angry, say not so
nice things about someone and then be untruthful about the "I don't care
ifs..................." . Of course you do! You care about all things that are
not of your side of the aisle.
Thank God (who is still among US) for Victor and the others who voiced their
opinions regarding your resignation from the Commander Group. Since this is
still a free country Victor exercised the same rights you did.....You chose
to leave and he chose to stay. Pretty simple to me!
I'm 75 years of age and I can tell anyone that Korea and Vietnam are not
strange places to me. But your diatribe on this subject seems like you think
this country is a one-view place. Victor and I are entitled to our views and
opinions, regardless of how others see things. I don't know Victor but I'm
certain he is capable of expressing his views in many "forums".
In your name-calling paragraph you left out the most commonly used term to
describe someone who is not of your political leaning....hypocrites. This is
used quite often by your folks to describe my folks whenever you cannot
achieve a sophisticated communicative term that you hope you spell correctly.
Now, here is my position in all this.
I love God
I love my Country
I love my Commanders
I love that I get to vote tomorrow
I love that you get to vote tomorrow
I think our forum is just fine and it really suits me, since I have the
mechanical aptitude of a post. I am also happy to know I can call you whenever
I
need to have a solution to a pending problem.
Respectfully,
Buddy A. Plaster, Ph.D, MS, MA,
In a message dated 11/3/2008 3:31:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
drwer2@yahoo.com writes:
--> Commander-List message posted by: "drwer2" <drwer2@yahoo.com>
Nico, you have no need to apologize, especially to me. Ive followed your
comments in the past and have no problem with them, per se.
However. I shouldn't have signed off so bluntly, and without explaining
myself. For that I owe you an apology. The following is a more apt
description of my intent.
"Victor". I could care less about your opinion. I didn't sign up to listen
to you Bull-Shit about politics, religion or anything else for that matter.
This is probably the only forum you have that will allow you vent your
spleen.
I don't care if you are baptist,Muslim, Hindu or catholic.
I don't care if you are Rush Limbaugh's Valium connection
I don't care if you vote for McCain, Obama, Anglea Davis or Adolph Hitler.
IMHO, as a nation, we are in deep Sununu, regardless of candidate, and Ill
still stand to defend it.
I also don't care what you ate for breakfast for that matter. It irrelevant
to This Forum.
What I do care about, is that you've chosen to debase the value and
integrity of the Commander List and insulted everyone intelligence. Every time
you
espouse your "beliefs", ridicule or denigrate the efforts of others trying to
provide, improve and maintain a wholesome a beneficial forum such as this,
You are slowly destroying the thing you say you defend.
Yeah, I'm pissed off. I was pissed off IN Vietnam and IN Korea. I get
pissed off, every time people say they are patriotic out one side their mouth,
and then simultaneously set about to destroy the freedoms (like the
commander-list) simply to make themselves look good in the 'eyes' of others.
You are a
sycophant obfuscating the good nature of these people, just to make yourself
feel good. I could care less.
Thin- skinned. YOU BET , I AM and tired of defending twits who work thier
Mouths more than thier Backs.
I encourage you to vote. Just keep the results and your opinion to
yourself. If you want to voice your political believes, find a forum for that.
Hell,
Call Rush, I'm sure he'd be glad to hear his palaver read back to him.
If you want to voice your relilgious beliefs....go to church.
If you just want to rant.....rant to your wife (or significant other, if you
are of that persuasion) or just kick the dog.
Just keep it out of the list. If the moderator had any Huevos, he would
have cut off the discussion as required by the by-laws. Instead, by allowing
your little "Freedom of Speech" He's allowed the list to become polarized. In
the future, I hope he does a better job at filter out the crap.
Gentlemen, if you have any questions regarding the health, maintenance or
improvement of anything Aero Commander Related, it would be a pleasure to share
that information with you.
Willis E. Robison, Ph.D., P.E. Aerospace
former USAF, 803rd Combat support Group and 555 Tactical Fighter wing.
Ret. Hamilton Sundstrand/PWC
"That thin skinned piss ant........... offend those that need offending.
Victor "
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BudPlaster,- You are so right.- I owe you (and the list members) an apo
logy.- I should have not taken the list rules so literally and I should h
ave shown more patience in responding.- I'll not do that again.- Must h
ave had too much Geritol.
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again....sorry for the headaches.
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drwer2
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Thank you, Will.
This list's members are a small band of brothers (no sexism intended) who
have transcended their differences. I apologized early on, having been
slapped into humility on many occasions; the same humility that keeps us
alive in the cockpit.
Welcome home.
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of willis
robison
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 6:43 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Apology to all
BudPlaster, You are so right. I owe you (and the list members) an apology.
I should have not taken the list rules so literally and I should have shown
more patience in responding. I'll not do that again. Must have had too
much Geritol.
again....sorry for the headaches.
drwer2
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