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     0. 12:23 AM - What Listers Have Been Saying (Matt Dralle)
     1. 06:24 PM - My belated Thanksgiving  (nico css)
     2. 07:20 PM - Re: My belated Thanksgiving  (yourtcfg@aol.com)
     3. 07:47 PM - "T" DAT TRIP (yourtcfg@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:23:31 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: What Listers Have Been Saying
    Wow! Many of the members making a List Support Contribution this year have been using the Comments field to leave a personal message about the Lists. Thank you! I have included a number of them below. Please read over a few and see if you perhaps can echo some of the same sentiments regarding the value of the Lists to you... There is only a couple more days left for this year's List Fund Raiser and we're still way behind previous years. If you've been waiting until the last minute to show your support, Now is the Time! Please make your Contribution and pick up a great gift at the same time! By Credit Card or Paypal: http://www.matronics.com/contribution or By Personal Check: Matronics / Matt Dralle PO Box 347 Livermore, CA 94550-7227 Thank you in advance!! Matt Dralle Email List and Forums Administrator Here is some of the great feedback members have been including along with their personal Contributions this year... Over the years, the info I have received from the RV-List has saved me thousands of dollars, and dozens of hours of time by helping me avoid bad purchases, pointing me at vendors with low prices and excellent support, and providing solutions to the typical head scratchers that you run into. Kevin H Valuable service. Best List(s) on the Internet! George A Please accept this token not as an indicator of what this list has been worth to me this past year. Lew G Great information and entertainment. Tim V Thanks again for another great year of service. This project would be beyond me if it were not for the list. Moreover, the friendships I have found are worth their weight in GOLD! Robert B Great support you provide to all the subscribers! Freddie H Read it every day. PF B Thanks for your excellent management of the Matronics Lists! Your services are head and shoulders above the rest. James M Without the "List", there would be no Kolb "community". Bill T Thanks, Matt, for a great service! I've been monitoring and using the lists since 1999. Richard D Thanks for such a terrific site and for all the work and effort you put into it. John R A great service year after year. John D ..another year of fantastic service. Jerry B This list is a great resource. Arden A Great list. James M Lists were a great help while building HRII N561FS. John S Great resources for both the beginner and experienced. George R Good service. Gary G The List is an invaluable resource! William C AeroElectric list is a great source of info and learning! Janice J Thank you, Matt for being there for us making it all happen on the List for so many years - Great JOB! Sam S Thank you for providing a great venue. You definitely hit the nail on the head with your solicitation asking if readers look forward to receiving the email digests. I certainly do and when I move from a dreamer to a builder, I expect the anticipation will only increase. Joe S Thanks for a Perfect working list. Hans-Peter R Great List Bryan K Such a great selection of valuable forums! David G Nice job! Walt E Good resource... Robert P Thank you for another great year! Scott S I could not do this without you... Robert D I believe I've been a list member for over a decade now. Thanks for the service! Tim L Great List Hendrik W


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    Time: 06:24:18 PM PST US
    From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
    Subject: My belated Thanksgiving
    Folks, I have not publicly stated my appreciation for all the blessings that we receive in this country this year; perhaps for no good reason. I received this piece from a friend and tennis buddy who mentioned that he thought I'd appreciate it. He was right. It also prompted me to say something publicly about it; even if it took a Frog (intended endearingly) to opine about it. Many years ago, it must have been during the Carter years, before we had the privilege of living here and getting to know the people that make up the core of this nation, the American soldier was considered a weakling, a maggot-infested, brainless, and doped coward with a loud mouth and no backbone. It was an unjust image created, or allowed at least, by the leadership over here that seems to have done everything to undermine their morale and their image. Back then - once in a while casual conversation would drift across the U.S. and its involvement in world affairs - the failed rescue attempt of the Iran-hostages was dominating the international news scene and the humiliation, hot on the heels of the Vietnam War, was the lay-observer's only source to cement the image of the U.S. warrior. How sad. I read the article below and realized, whether fact or fiction, the core of those band of brothers (no sexism intended) who keep democracy and liberty alive throughout the world was made up of people as described in this essay. They are the people who are totally consumed by the calling at hand. They are the people whom the enemy fears to the core. They are the people whom we oftentimes overlook in our prayers and support. When they act, after only a split-second of consideration, we sometimes condone people, whom we elected to their offices, to subject them to the forensic and sterile scrutiny of the law, sometimes stretching over months of analysis and psychological evaluations by ring-heads armed with PhDs, to see if they were worthy of being an American Soldier. In that attack many of them stand bravely, with hardly any defense against such an onslaught; not because of the severity of it but because from where and whom it comes. One of the pillars of strength of these brave warriors is family and homeland and to endure bitter onslaughts, which sometimes rival that of the enemy outside in their severity and injury, must be unimaginably destructive. That is why I want to give thanks to those men and women who are how this article depicts them. Who are more focused, as a way of life, than a top sportsman. Those brave warriors, better men than I, keep killer-threats out of our homeland, so that I may sit down with friends and family and celebrate Thanksgiving without concern for our safety. For their sakes I write tonight. On New Year's Eve, I plan to resolve that I will plead their case more audibly and more intensely to minimize the assaults from within. I have no doubt that they have the upper hand on those from the outside. Nico Subject: A NOS FRERES D'ARMES AMERICAINS All, A lot of people discount the French Army. I can tell you from personal observation of them when I was in Afghanistan, the troops were motivated and skilled, especially the one's with the patch that said "Lgion trangre". Any problem they had was a matter of national will. Here is an essay I copied from another site. I found it especially appropriate for Thanksgiving. My rough translation of the title - "Our American Brothers in Arms". To all of you who are down-range, keep the faith. Sincerely, Jim Potts Here is the original French article cab be read in French at URL: http://omlt3-kdk3.over-blog.com/article-22935665.html Here is (a) translation : //// START //// "We have shared our daily life with two US units for quite a while - they are the first and fourth companies of a prestigious infantry battalion whose name I will withhold for the sake of military secrecy. To the common man it is a unit just like any other. But we live with them and got to know them, and we henceforth know that we have the honor to live with one of the most renowned units of the US Army - one that the movies brought to the public as series showing "ordinary soldiers thrust into extraordinary events". Who are they, those soldiers from abroad, how is their daily life, and what support do they bring to the men of our OMLT every day? Few of them belong to the Easy Company, the one the TV series focuses on. This one nowadays is named Echo Company, and it has become the support company. They have a terribly strong American accent - from our point of view the language they speak is not even English. How many times did I have to write down what I wanted to say rather than waste precious minutes trying various pronunciations of a seemingly common word? Whatever state they are from, no two accents are alike and they even admit that in some crisis situations they have difficulties understanding each other. Heavily built, fed at the earliest age with Gatorade, proteins and creatine - they are all heads and shoulders taller than us and their muscles remind us of Rambo. Our frames are amusingly skinny to them - we are wimps, even the strongest of us - and because of that they often mistake us for Afghans. Here we discover America as it is often depicted : their values are taken to their paroxysm, often amplified by promiscuity lack of privacy and the loneliness of this outpost in the middle of that Afghan valley. Honor, motherland - everything here reminds of that : the American flag floating in the wind above the outpost, just like the one on the post parcels. Even if recruits often originate from the hearth of American cities and gang territory, no one here has any goal other than to hold high and proud the star spangled banner. Each man knows he can count on the support of a whole people who provides them through the mail all that an American could miss in such a remote front-line location : books, chewing gums, razorblades, Gatorade, toothpaste etc. in such way that every man is aware of how much the American people backs him in his difficult mission. And that is a first shock to our preconceptions : the American soldier is no individualist. The team, the group, the combat team are the focus of all his attention. And they are impressive warriors! We have not come across bad ones, as strange at it may seem to you when you know how critical French people can be. Even if some of them are a bit on the heavy side, all of them provide us everyday with lessons in infantry know-how. Beyond the wearing of a combat kit that never seem to discomfort them (helmet strap, helmet, combat goggles, rifles etc.) the long hours of watch at the outpost never seem to annoy them in the slightest. On the one square meter wooden tower above the perimeter wall they stand the five consecutive hours in full battle rattle and night vision goggles on top, their sight unmoving in the directions of likely danger. No distractions, no pauses, they are like statues nights and days. At night, all movements are performed in the dark - only a handful of subdued red lights indicate the occasional presence of a soldier on the move. Same with the vehicles whose lights are covered - everything happens in pitch dark even filling the fuel tanks with the Japy (JP-8) pump. And combat? If you have seen Rambo you have seen it all - always coming to the rescue when one of our teams gets in trouble, and always in the shortest delay. That is one of their tricks : they switch from T-shirt and sandals to combat ready in three minutes. Arriving in contact with the enemy, the way they fight is simple and disconcerting : they just charge! They disembark and assault in stride, they bomb first and ask questions later - which cuts any pussyfooting short. We seldom hear any harsh word, and from 5 AM onwards the camp chores are performed in beautiful order and always with excellent spirit. A passing American helicopter stops near a stranded vehicle just to check that everything is alright; an American combat team will rush to support ours before even knowing how dangerous the mission is - from what we have been given to witness, the American soldier is a beautiful and worthy heir to those who liberated France and Europe. To those who bestow us with the honor of sharing their combat outposts and who everyday give proof of their military excellence, to those who pay the daily tribute of America's army's deployment on Afghan soil, to those we owned this article, ourselves hoping that we will always remain worthy of them and to always continue hearing them say that we are all the same band of brothers". //// END ////


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    Time: 07:20:25 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: My belated Thanksgiving
    From: yourtcfg@aol.com
    AND AMEN.=C2-=C2- jb -----Original Message----- From: nico css <nico@cybersuperstore.com> Sent: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 6:23 pm Subject: Commander-List: My belated Thanksgiving Folks, I have not publicly stated my appreciation for all the blessings that we eceive in this country this year; perhaps for no good reason. I received his piece from a friend and tennis buddy who mentioned that he thought I'd ppreciate it. He was right. It also prompted me to say something publicly bout it; even if it took a Frog (intended endearingly) to opine about it. Many years ago, it must have been during the Carter years, before we had the rivilege of living here and getting to know the people that make up the ore of this nation, the American soldier was considered a weakling, a aggot-infested, brainless, and doped coward with a loud mouth and no ackbone. It was an unjust image created, or allowed at least, by the eadership over here that seems to have done everything to undermine their orale and their image. Back then - once in a while casual conversation ould drift across the U.S. and its involvement in world affairs - the ailed rescue attempt of the Iran-hostages was dominating the international ews scene and the humiliation, hot on the heels of the Vietnam War, was the ay-observer's only source to cement the image of the U.S. warrior. How sad. read the article below and realized, whether f act or fiction, the core of hose band of brothers (no sexism intended) who keep democracy and liberty live throughout the world was made up of people as described in this essay. hey are the people who are totally consumed by the calling at hand. They re the people whom the enemy fears to the core. They are the people whom we ftentimes overlook in our prayers and support. When they act, after only a plit-second of consideration, we sometimes condone people, whom we elected o their offices, to subject them to the forensic and sterile scrutiny of he law, sometimes stretching over months of analysis and psychological valuations by ring-heads armed with PhD=99s, to see if they were worth y of eing an American Soldier. In that attack many of them stand bravely, with ardly any defense against such an onslaught; not because of the severity of t but because from where and whom it comes. One of the pillars of strength f these brave warriors is family and homeland and to endure bitter nslaughts, which sometimes rival that of the enemy outside in their everity and injury, must be unimaginably destructive. That is why I want to give thanks to those men and women who are how this rticle depicts them. Who are more focused, as a way of life, than a top portsman. Those brave warriors, better men than I, keep killer-threats out f our homeland, so that I may sit down with friends and family and elebrate Thanksgiving without concern for our safety. For their sakes I rite tonight. On New Year's Eve, I=2 0plan to resolve that I will plead their case more udibly and more intensely to minimize the assaults from within. I have no oubt that they have the upper hand on those from the outside. Nico ubject: A NOS FRERES D'ARMES AMERICAINS All, A lot of people discount the French Army. I can tell you from personal bservation of them when I was in Afghanistan, the troops were motivated and killed, especially the one's with the patch that said "L=C3=A9gion =C3=A9tra ng=C3=A8re". ny problem they had was a matter of national will. Here is an essay I copied from another site. I found it especially ppropriate for Thanksgiving. My rough translation of the title - "Our merican Brothers in Arms". To all of you who are down-range, keep the faith. Sincerely, Jim Potts Here is the original French article cab be read in French at URL: http://omlt3-kdk3.over-blog.com/article-22935665.html Here is (a) translation : //// START //// "We have shared our daily life with two US units for quite a while - they re the first and fourth companies of a prestigious infantry battalion whose ame I will withhold for the sake of military secrecy. To the common man it s a unit just like any other. But we live with them and got to know them, nd we henceforth know that we have the honor to live with one of the most enowned units of the US Army - one that the movies brought to the public as eries showing "ordinary soldiers thrust into extraordinary events". Who are hey, those soldiers from abroad, how is their daily l ife, and what support o they bring to the men of our OMLT every day? Few of them belong to the asy Company, the one the TV series focuses on. This one nowadays is named cho Company, and it has become the support company. They have a terribly strong American accent - from our point of view the anguage they speak is not even English. How many times did I have to write own what I wanted to say rather than waste precious minutes trying various ronunciations of a seemingly common word? Whatever state they are from, no wo accents are alike and they even admit that in some crisis situations hey have difficulties understanding each other. Heavily built, fed at the earliest age with Gatorade, proteins and creatine they are all heads and shoulders taller than us and their muscles remind s of Rambo. Our frames are amusingly skinny to them - we are wimps, even he strongest of us - and because of that they often mistake us for Afghans. Here we discover America as it is often depicted : their values are taken to heir paroxysm, often amplified by promiscuity lack of privacy and the oneliness of this outpost in the middle of that Afghan valley. Honor, otherland - everything here reminds of that : the American flag floating in he wind above the outpost, just like the one on the post parcels. Even if ecruits often originate from the hearth of American cities and gang erritory, no one here has any goal other than to hold high and proud the tar spangled banner. Each man knows he can count on=2 0the support of a whole eople who provides them through the mail all that an American could miss in uch a remote front-line location : books, chewing gums, razorblades, atorade, toothpaste etc. in such way that every man is aware of how much he American people backs him in his difficult mission. And that is a first hock to our preconceptions : the American soldier is no individualist. The eam, the group, the combat team are the focus of all his attention. And they are impressive warriors! We have not come across bad ones, as trange at it may seem to you when you know how critical French people can e. Even if some of them are a bit on the heavy side, all of them provide us veryday with lessons in infantry know-how. Beyond the wearing of a combat it that never seem to discomfort them (helmet strap, helmet, combat oggles, rifles etc.) the long hours of watch at the outpost never seem to nnoy them in the slightest. On the one square meter wooden tower above the erimeter wall they stand the five consecutive hours in full battle rattle nd night vision goggles on top, their sight unmoving in the directions of ikely danger. No distractions, no pauses, they are like statues nights and ays. At night, all movements are performed in the dark - only a handful of ubdued red lights indicate the occasional presence of a soldier on the ove. Same with the vehicles whose lights are covered - everything happens n pitch dark even filling the fuel tanks with the Japy (JP-8) pump. And combat? If you h ave seen Rambo you have seen it all - always coming to he rescue when one of our teams gets in trouble, and always in the shortest elay. That is one of their tricks : they switch from T-shirt and sandals to ombat ready in three minutes. Arriving in contact with the enemy, the way hey fight is simple and disconcerting : they just charge! They disembark nd assault in stride, they bomb first and ask questions later - which cuts ny pussyfooting short. We seldom hear any harsh word, and from 5 AM onwards the camp chores are erformed in beautiful order and always with excellent spirit. A passing merican helicopter stops near a stranded vehicle just to check that verything is alright; an American combat team will rush to support ours efore even knowing how dangerous the mission is - from what we have been iven to witness, the American soldier is a beautiful and worthy heir to hose who liberated France and Europe. To those who bestow us with the honor of sharing their combat outposts and ho everyday give proof of their military excellence, to those who pay the aily tribute of America's army's deployment on Afghan soil, to those we wned this article, ourselves hoping that we will always remain worthy of hem and to always continue hearing them say that we are all the same band f brothers". //// END //// - -= -- Please Support Your Lists=2 0This Month -- -= (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) - -= November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. 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    Time: 07:47:54 PM PST US
    Subject: "T" DAT TRIP
    From: yourtcfg@aol.com
    HI KIDS. I just got back from a couple of nice flights in "triple 2, Jim & Sue"(our 680E).? Left Tuesday from 1W1, Camas Washington,?(the home drome) to S67 Nampa Idaho, my home town.? Sue and I and our two terriers, Pratt & Whitney, left about noon.? Climbed to 9.5 and set the power at 30.-X2500 for a true A/S of about 177 kts.? Ground speed was 179-181.? Nice flight, clear and a million, smoooooothe air.? Took 1:32.?? Came back today at 6.5, then 10.5, then down to 4.5.? I set a record of the lowest sustained ground speed ever at cruse power!!!!? 32kts@10.5, 32X2550.? Was cruising about as fast a a Cherokee and burning about the same fuel as a DC-3!!? Bouncy, touch a cloud and you got instant ice.? We stayed VFR and came up the Columbia River gorge at 2.5.? Very rough.? I set 22.5X2550 for an A/S of only 135 indicated for the turbulence.? GS 109kts.? Landed at home in the rain.? All in all a good trip, but The going was sure better than the coming!!? It takes about 7.5 hours to driv e the same trip, so it was still a good thing.? Hope everybody had a great "T" day,?remembering that the pilgrims were celebrating and thanking GOD for their blessings.? jb




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