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| Subject: | Last "Official" Day Of The List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that means three things:..
1) Today I am now officially 45 years old...
2) It marks that last "official" day of this year's List Fund Raiser!
3) Its the last day I will be bugging everyone for a whole year!
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Matt, a $100.00 will be in the mail next week as soon as I get a bank money
order so you don't have to deal with my funny colored (US spelling) money.
Tom
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Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 12:07 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Last "Official" Day Of The List Fund Raiser!
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> Dear Listers,
>
> Its November 30th and that means three things:..
>
> 1) Today I am now officially 45 years old...
>
> 2) It marks that last "official" day of this year's List Fund
> Raiser!
>
> 3) Its the last day I will be bugging everyone for a whole year!
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> If you use the Lists and enjoy the content and the no-advertising,
> no-spam, and no-censorship way in which they're run, please make a
> Contribution today to support their continued operation and upkeep. Your
> $20 or $30 goes a long way to keep the List bills paid.
>
> I will be posting the List of Contributors next week so make sure your
> name is on it!
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> Thank you to everyone that has made a Contribution so far this year! It
> is greatly appreciated.
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> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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> Best regards,
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> Matt Dralle
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| Subject: | Re: My belated Thanksgiving |
I heartily second the AMEN.
Also, this question probably seems terribly naive coming from someone
who has been flying for almost 30 years, however please keep in mind
that I lived in Southern California, and 99% of my long distance flying
was done in the warmer months (during the racing season), and now I
reside in cold country with no hangar. With the geared engines, at what
temperature is it advisable to do an engine pre-heat before starting
them?
Moe
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: yourtcfg@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: My belated Thanksgiving
AND AMEN. jb
-----Original Message-----
From: nico css <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 6:23 pm
Subject: Commander-List: My belated Thanksgiving
<nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Folks,
I have not publicly stated my appreciation for all the blessings that we
receive in this country this year; perhaps for no good reason. I
received
this piece from a friend and tennis buddy who mentioned that he thought
I'd
appreciate it. He was right. It also prompted me to say something
publicly
about it; even if it took a Frog (intended endearingly) to opine about
it.
Many years ago, it must have been during the Carter years, before we had
the
privilege of living here and getting to know the people that make up the
core of this nation, the American soldier was considered a weakling, a
maggot-infested, brainless, and doped coward with a loud mouth and no
backbone. It was an unjust image created, or allowed at least, by the
leadership over here that seems to have done everything to undermine
their
morale and their image. Back then - once in a while casual conversation
would drift across the U.S
. and its involvement in world affairs - the
failed rescue attempt of the Iran-hostages was dominating the
international
news scene and the humiliation, hot on the heels of the Vietnam War, was
the
lay-observer's only source to cement the image of the U.S. warrior. How
sad.
I read the article below and realized, whether fact or fiction, the core
of
those band of brothers (no sexism intended) who keep democracy and
liberty
alive throughout the world was made up of people as described in this
essay.
They are the people who are totally consumed by the calling at hand.
They
are the people whom the enemy fears to the core. They are the people
whom we
oftentimes overlook in our prayers and support. When they act, after
only a
split-second of consideration, we sometimes condone people, whom we
elected
to their offices, to subject them to the forensic and sterile scrutiny
of
the law, sometimes stretching over months of analysis and psychological
evaluations by ring-heads armed with PhD=99s, to see if they were
worthy of
being an American Soldier. In that attack many of them stand bravely,
with
hardly any defense against such an onslaught; not because of the
severity of
it but because from where and whom it comes. One of the pillars of
strength
of these brave warriors is family and homeland and to endure bitter
onslaughts, which sometimes rival that of the enemy outside in their
severity and injury, must be unimaginably destructive.
That is why
I want to give thanks to those men and women who are how this
article depicts them. Who are more focused, as a way of life, than a top
sportsman. Those brave warriors, better men than I, keep killer-threats
out
of our homeland, so that I may sit down with friends and family and
celebrate Thanksgiving without concern for our safety. For their sakes I
write tonight.
On New Year's Eve, I plan to resolve that I will plead their case more
audibly and more intensely to minimize the assaults from within. I have
no
doubt that they have the upper hand on those from the outside.
Nico
Subject: A NOS FRERES D'ARMES AMERICAINS
All,
A lot of people discount the French Army. I can tell you from personal
observation of them when I was in Afghanistan, the troops were motivated
and
skilled, especially the one's with the patch that said "L=C3=A9gion
=C3=A9trang=C3=A8re".
Any problem they had was a matter of national will.
Here is an essay I copied from another site. I found it especially
appropriate for Thanksgiving. My rough translation of the title - "Our
American Brothers in Arms".
To all of you who are down-range, keep the faith.
Sincerely,
Jim Potts
Here is the original French article cab be read in French at URL:
http://omlt3-kdk3.over-blog.com/article-22935665.html
Here is (a) translation :
//// START ////
"We have shared our daily life with two US units for quite a while -
they
are the first and fourth companies of a prestigious infantry battalion
whose
name I will withhold for the sake of military secrecy. To the common man
it
is a unit just like any other. But we live with them and got to know
them,
and we henceforth know that we have the honor to live with one of the
most
renowned units of the US Army - one that the movies brought to the
public as
series showing "ordinary soldiers thrust into extraordinary events". Who
are
they, those soldiers from abroad, how is their daily life, and what
support
do they bring to the men of our OMLT every day? Few of them belong to
the
Easy Company, the one the TV series focuses on. This one nowadays is
named
Echo Company, and it has become the support company.
They have a terribly strong American accent - from our point of view the
language they speak is not even English. How many times did I have to
write
down what I wanted to say rather than waste precious minutes trying
various
pronunciations of a seemingly common word? Whatever state they are from,
no
two accents are alike and they even admit that in some crisis situations
they have difficulties understanding each other.
Heavily built, fed at the earliest age with Gatorade, proteins and
creatine
- they are all heads and shoulders taller than us and their muscles
remind
us of Rambo. Our frames are amusingly skinny to them - we ar
e wimps, even
the strongest of us - and because of that they often mistake us for
Afghans.
Here we discover America as it is often depicted : their values are
taken to
their paroxysm, often amplified by promiscuity lack of privacy and the
loneliness of this outpost in the middle of that Afghan valley. Honor,
motherland - everything here reminds of that : the American flag
floating in
the wind above the outpost, just like the one on the post parcels. Even
if
recruits often originate from the hearth of American cities and gang
territory, no one here has any goal other than to hold high and proud
the
star spangled banner. Each man knows he can count on the support of a
whole
people who provides them through the mail all that an American could
miss in
such a remote front-line location : books, chewing gums, razorblades,
Gatorade, toothpaste etc. in such way that every man is aware of how
much
the American people backs him in his difficult mission. And that is a
first
shock to our preconceptions : the American soldier is no individualist.
The
team, the group, the combat team are the focus of all his attention.
And they are impressive warriors! We have not come across bad ones, as
strange at it may seem to you when you know how critical French people
can
be. Even if some of them are a bit on the heavy side, all of them
provide us
everyday with lessons in infantry know-how. Beyond the wearing of a
combat
kit that never seem to d
iscomfort them (helmet strap, helmet, combat
goggles, rifles etc.) the long hours of watch at the outpost never seem
to
annoy them in the slightest. On the one square meter wooden tower above
the
perimeter wall they stand the five consecutive hours in full battle
rattle
and night vision goggles on top, their sight unmoving in the directions
of
likely danger. No distractions, no pauses, they are like statues nights
and
days. At night, all movements are performed in the dark - only a handful
of
subdued red lights indicate the occasional presence of a soldier on the
move. Same with the vehicles whose lights are covered - everything
happens
in pitch dark even filling the fuel tanks with the Japy (JP-8) pump.
And combat? If you have seen Rambo you have seen it all - always coming
to
the rescue when one of our teams gets in trouble, and always in the
shortest
delay. That is one of their tricks : they switch from T-shirt and
sandals to
combat ready in three minutes. Arriving in contact with the enemy, the
way
they fight is simple and disconcerting : they just charge! They
disembark
and assault in stride, they bomb first and ask questions later - which
cuts
any pussyfooting short.
We seldom hear any harsh word, and from 5 AM onwards the camp chores are
performed in beautiful order and always with excellent spirit. A passing
American helicopter stops near a stranded vehicle just to check that
everything is alright; an American combat team will rush
to support ours
before even knowing how dangerous the mission is - from what we have
been
given to witness, the American soldier is a beautiful and worthy heir to
those who liberated France and Europe.
To those who bestow us with the honor of sharing their combat outposts
and
who everyday give proof of their military excellence, to those who pay
the
daily tribute of America's army's deployment on Afghan soil, to those we
owned this article, ourselves hoping that we will always remain worthy
of
them and to always continue hearing them say that we are all the same
band
of brothers".
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| Subject: | Re: My belated Thanksgiving |
HI MOE (GPA holder)
About 20F or so.=C2- I have started them in MUCH colder weather with no he
at , but it is not the best thing for them.=C2- Keep the RPM as low as pra
ctical for 30-40 seconds to make certain the blowers have oil, then smoothly
advance the throttles to about 12-1500 RPM.=C2- Keep the cowl flaps close
d (you should be parking with them closed anyway) and open them on climb out
only as required.=C2- jb
With the geared engines, at what temperature is it advisable to do=C2-an e
ngine=C2-pre-heat before starting them?
-----Original Message-----
From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 7:24 am
Subject: Re: Commander-List: My belated Thanksgiving
I heartily second the AMEN.
=C2-
Also, this question probably seems terribly naive coming from someone who ha
s been flying for almost 30 years, however please keep in mind that I lived
in Southern California, and 99% of my long distance flying was done in the w
armer months (during the racing season), and now I reside=C2-in cold count
ry with no hangar.=C2- With the geared engines, at what temperature is it
advisable to do=C2-an engine=C2-pre-heat before starting them?
=C2-
Moe
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
=C2-
From: yourtcfg@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: My belated Thanksgiving
AND AMEN.=C2-=C2- jb
-----Original Message-----
From:20nico css <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 6:23 pm
Subject: Commander-List: My belated Thanksgiving
Folks,
I have not publicly stated my appreciation for all the blessings that we
eceive in this country this year; perhaps for no good reason. I received
his piece from a friend and tennis buddy who mentioned that he thought I'd
ppreciate it. He was right. It also prompted me to say something publicly
bout it; even if it took a Frog (intended endearingly) to opine about it.
Many years ago, it must have been during the Carter years, before we had the
rivilege of living here and getting to know the people that make up the
ore of this nation, the American soldier was considered a weakling, a
aggot-infested, brainless, and doped coward with a loud mouth and no
ackbone. It was an unjust image created, or allowed at least, by the
eadership over here that seems to have done everything to undermine their
orale and their image. Back then - once in a while casual conversation
ould drift across the U.S
and its involvement in world affairs - the
ailed rescue attempt of the Iran-hostages was dominating the international
ews scene and the humiliation, hot on the heels of the Vietnam War, was the
ay-observer's only source to cement the image of the U.S. warrior. How sad.
read the article below and realized, whether fact or fiction, the core of
hose band of brothers (n
o sexism intended) who keep democracy and liberty
live throughout the world was made up of people as described in this essay.
hey are the people who are totally consumed by the calling at hand. They
re the people whom the enemy fears to the core. They are the people whom we
ftentimes overlook in our prayers and support. When they act, after only a
plit-second of consideration, we sometimes condone people, whom we elected
o their offices, to subject them to the forensic and sterile scrutiny of
he law, sometimes stretching over months of analysis and psychological
valuations by ring-heads armed with PhD=99s, to see if they were worth
y of
eing an American Soldier. In that attack many of them stand bravely, with
ardly any defense against such an onslaught; not because of the severity of
t but because from where and whom it comes. One of the pillars of strength
f these brave warriors is family and homeland and to endure bitter
nslaughts, which sometimes rival that of the enemy outside in their
everity and injury, must be unimaginably destructive.
That is why
want to give thanks to those men and women who are how this
rticle depicts them. Who are more focused, as a way of life, than a top
portsman. Those brave warriors, better men than I, keep killer-threats out
f our homeland, so that I may sit down with friends and family and
elebrate Thanksgiving without concern for our safety. For their sakes I
rite tonight.
On New Year's Eve, I plan to resolve that I will plead their case more=0
Dudibly and more intensely to minimize the assaults from within. I have no
oubt that they have the upper hand on those from the outside.
Nico
ubject: A NOS FRERES D'ARMES AMERICAINS
All,
A lot of people discount the French Army. I can tell you from personal
bservation of them when I was in Afghanistan, the troops were motivated and
killed, especially the one's with the patch that said "L=C3=A9gion =C3=A9tra
ng=C3=A8re".
ny problem they had was a matter of national will.
Here is an essay I copied from another site. I found it especially
ppropriate for Thanksgiving. My rough translation of the title - "Our
merican Brothers in Arms".
To all of you who are down-range, keep the faith.
Sincerely,
Jim Potts
Here is the original French article cab be read in French at URL:
http://omlt3-kdk3.over-blog.com/article-22935665.html
Here is (a) translation :
//// START ////
"We have shared our daily life with two US units for quite a while - they
re the first and fourth companies of a prestigious infantry battalion whose
ame I will withhold for the sake of military secrecy. To the common man it
s a unit just like any other. But we live with them and got to know them,
nd we henceforth know that we have the honor to live with one of the most
enowned units of the US Army - one that the movies brought to the public as
eries showing "ordinary soldiers thrust into extraordinary events". Who are
hey, those soldiers from abroad, how is their daily life, and what support
o they bring to the men o
f our OMLT every day? Few of them belong to the
asy Company, the one the TV series focuses on. This one nowadays is named
cho Company, and it has become the support company.
They have a terribly strong American accent - from our point of view the
anguage they speak is not even English. How many times did I have to write
own what I wanted to say rather than waste precious minutes trying various
ronunciations of a seemingly common word? Whatever state they are from, no
wo accents are alike and they even admit that in some crisis situations
hey have difficulties understanding each other.
Heavily built, fed at the earliest age with Gatorade, proteins and creatine
they are all heads and shoulders taller than us and their muscles remind
s of Rambo. Our frames are amusingly skinny to them - we ar
wimps, even
he strongest of us - and because of that they often mistake us for Afghans.
Here we discover America as it is often depicted : their values are taken to
heir paroxysm, often amplified by promiscuity lack of privacy and the
oneliness of this outpost in the middle of that Afghan valley. Honor,
otherland - everything here reminds of that : the American flag floating in
he wind above the outpost, just like the one on the post parcels. Even if
ecruits often originate from the hearth of American cities and gang
erritory, no one here has any goal other than to hold high and proud the
tar spangled banner. Each man knows he can count on the support of a whole
eople who provides them=2
0through the mail all that an American could miss in
uch a remote front-line location : books, chewing gums, razorblades,
atorade, toothpaste etc. in such way that every man is aware of how much
he American people backs him in his difficult mission. And that is a first
hock to our preconceptions : the American soldier is no individualist. The
eam, the group, the combat team are the focus of all his attention.
And they are impressive warriors! We have not come across bad ones, as
trange at it may seem to you when you know how critical French people can
e. Even if some of them are a bit on the heavy side, all of them provide us
veryday with lessons in infantry know-how. Beyond the wearing of a combat
it that never seem to d
scomfort them (helmet strap, helmet, combat
oggles, rifles etc.) the long hours of watch at the outpost never seem to
nnoy them in the slightest. On the one square meter wooden tower above the
erimeter wall they stand the five consecutive hours in full battle rattle
nd night vision goggles on top, their sight unmoving in the directions of
ikely danger. No distractions, no pauses, they are like statues nights and
ays. At night, all movements are performed in the dark - only a handful of
ubdued red lights indicate the occasional presence of a soldier on the
ove. Same with the vehicles whose lights are covered - everything happens
n pitch dark even filling the fuel tanks with the Japy (JP-8) pump.
And combat? If you have seen Rambo you have seen it all - always20coming to
he rescue when one of our teams gets in trouble, and always in the shortest
elay. That is one of their tricks : they switch from T-shirt and sandals to
ombat ready in three minutes. Arriving in contact with the enemy, the way
hey fight is simple and disconcerting : they just charge! They disembark
nd assault in stride, they bomb first and ask questions later - which cuts
ny pussyfooting short.
We seldom hear any harsh word, and from 5 AM onwards the camp chores are
erformed in beautiful order and always with excellent spirit. A passing
merican helicopter stops near a stranded vehicle just to check that
verything is alright; an American combat team will rush
to support ours
efore even knowing how dangerous the mission is - from what we have been
iven to witness, the American soldier is a beautiful and worthy heir to
hose who liberated France and Europe.
To those who bestow us with the honor of sharing their combat outposts and
ho everyday give proof of their military excellence, to those who pay the
aily tribute of America's army's deployment on Afghan soil, to those we
wned this article, ourselves hoping that we will always remain worthy of
hem and to always continue hearing them say that we are all the same band
f brothers".
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