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1. 04:18 PM - Fw: opinions (Dan Brady)
2. 08:39 PM - Re: Passion politics & Commander (WINGFLYER1@aol.com)
3. 09:35 PM - Re: opinions (Dan Brady)
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----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Brady
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:19 PM
Subject: Fw: Commander-List: opinions
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Brady
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: opinions
Dan Farmer my brother,
Oh no you're not getting of the hook that easy....what have you got
against Studebakers?.....Seriously, getting back to flying machines,
some aircraft wrongly earn a reputation of being unsafe because they
show up in more accident/incident reports than others that are lumped
into the same category. In the late '50s through the '60s twin
Beeches,Azteks & Aerocommanders led the hit list at least in the midwest
flatlands & great lakes area where I was doing most of my flying at that
time. What wasn't considered by the hanger talk gurus was the fact that
these were the 24/7 allweather work horses of the time hauling mail,
checks, cargo & on demand charters yet their stats were lumped in with
everything under 10,500#...including thousands of
J3s,C140s,Luscombes,etc. Now we all know that a student pilot's main
mission in life is to destroy the aircraft & kill the instructor,but in
spite of that the incidents per flight hour stats were pretty good
compared to the work horses that spent a lot of their time picking their
way around tstms,landing in the middle of the night at an unattended
airstrip infested with patchy ground fog or landing an ice encrusted
airframe on a runway that could double as an olympic ice rink. During
this period an uneven number of Commanders were involved in landing
mishaps in icing conditions mostly loss of control during base to final
or unintentional off runway excursions after ugly touch downs. It seems
that compared to the majority of twinBs & Azteks most of the Commanders
had no windscreen deicing. An approved system for the A/Cs was very
costly so most went without depending instead on the high setting of the
heater's defog sometimes disasterally suplimented with cups of hot
coffee perched on the glare shield. A few of us went to the auto parts
store & hooked up a squeezebulb alcohol dispenser. Yes it worked & no it
was rarely spoken of & never in evidence during inspections.......Dan
the desert duck 77B
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Farmer
To: commander-list-digest@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:02 PM
Subject: Commander-List: opinions
Well folks hopefully I can bring this to an end. I will try
never to post a political thought on this web page. I am not angry with
any one and have sort of enjoy the roust but that is not what this site
is about. So I would like apologize to anyone I have offended and hope
no one ever leaves this site over a difference of opinion. Most have
heard about opinions--that they are like A wholes- everyone has one and
the other guys usually stinks:-)) I guess Jack Benny was right when he
said "it is to bad that the people who really know how to run the
country are too busy shining shoes and driving cabs". Now if we can get
back to Commanders and I am not talking Studebaker's.
Sincerely,
dan f
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Subject: | Re: Passion politics & Commander |
Could not have said it better! You are right on target with the politics and
I`m in the process of getting my 680 up to speed but don`t have to do as
much work as you have done. I to share the passion and my bird is going to be
one fine machine. Just had a new interior completed and the paint shop is next.
Good luck with your commander. Gil
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celebrity break-ups and everything in between.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Brady
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 4:17 PM
Subject: Fw: Commander-List: opinions
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Brady
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:19 PM
Subject: Fw: Commander-List: opinions
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Brady
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: opinions
Dan Farmer my brother,
Oh no you're not getting of the hook that easy....what have you got
against Studebakers?.....Seriously, getting back to flying machines,
some aircraft wrongly earn a reputation of being unsafe because they
show up in more accident/incident reports than others that are lumped
into the same category. In the late '50s through the '60s twin
Beeches,Azteks & Aerocommanders led the hit list at least in the midwest
flatlands & great lakes area where I was doing most of my flying at that
time. What wasn't considered by the hanger talk gurus was the fact that
these were the 24/7 allweather work horses of the time hauling mail,
checks, cargo & on demand charters yet their stats were lumped in with
everything under 10,500#...including thousands of
J3s,C140s,Luscombes,etc. Now we all know that a student pilot's main
mission in life is to destroy the aircraft & kill the instructor,but in
spite of that the incidents per flight hour stats were pretty good
compared to the work horses that spent a lot of their time picking their
way around tstms,landing in the middle of the night at an unattended
airstrip infested with patchy ground fog or landing an ice encrusted
airframe on a runway that could double as an olympic ice rink. During
this period an uneven number of Commanders were involved in landing
mishaps in icing conditions mostly loss of control during base to final
or unintentional off runway excursions after ugly touch downs. It seems
that compared to the majority of twinBs & Azteks most of the Commanders
had no windscreen deicing. An approved system for the A/Cs was very
costly so most went without depending instead on the high setting of the
heater's defog sometimes disasterally suplimented with cups of hot
coffee perched on the glare shield. A few of us went to the auto parts
store & hooked up a squeezebulb alcohol dispenser. Yes it worked & no it
was rarely spoken of & never in evidence during inspections.......Dan
the desert duck 77B
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Farmer
To: commander-list-digest@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:02 PM
Subject: Commander-List: opinions
Well folks hopefully I can bring this to an end. I will try
never to post a political thought on this web page. I am not angry with
any one and have sort of enjoy the roust but that is not what this site
is about. So I would like apologize to anyone I have offended and hope
no one ever leaves this site over a difference of opinion. Most have
heard about opinions--that they are like A wholes- everyone has one and
the other guys usually stinks:-)) I guess Jack Benny was right when he
said "it is to bad that the people who really know how to run the
country are too busy shining shoes and driving cabs". Now if we can get
back to Commanders and I am not talking Studebaker's.
Sincerely,
dan f
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