---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/04/09: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:18 PM - Fw: opinions (Dan Brady) 2. 08:39 PM - Re: Passion politics & Commander (WINGFLYER1@aol.com) 3. 09:35 PM - Re: opinions (Dan Brady) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:18:12 PM PST US From: "Dan Brady" Subject: Fw: Commander-List: opinions ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Brady Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:19 PM Subject: Fw: Commander-List: opinions ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Brady Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:01 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: opinions Dan Farmer my brother, Oh no you're not getting of the hook that easy....what have you got against Studebakers?.....Seriously, getting back to flying machines, some aircraft wrongly earn a reputation of being unsafe because they show up in more accident/incident reports than others that are lumped into the same category. In the late '50s through the '60s twin Beeches,Azteks & Aerocommanders led the hit list at least in the midwest flatlands & great lakes area where I was doing most of my flying at that time. What wasn't considered by the hanger talk gurus was the fact that these were the 24/7 allweather work horses of the time hauling mail, checks, cargo & on demand charters yet their stats were lumped in with everything under 10,500#...including thousands of J3s,C140s,Luscombes,etc. Now we all know that a student pilot's main mission in life is to destroy the aircraft & kill the instructor,but in spite of that the incidents per flight hour stats were pretty good compared to the work horses that spent a lot of their time picking their way around tstms,landing in the middle of the night at an unattended airstrip infested with patchy ground fog or landing an ice encrusted airframe on a runway that could double as an olympic ice rink. During this period an uneven number of Commanders were involved in landing mishaps in icing conditions mostly loss of control during base to final or unintentional off runway excursions after ugly touch downs. It seems that compared to the majority of twinBs & Azteks most of the Commanders had no windscreen deicing. An approved system for the A/Cs was very costly so most went without depending instead on the high setting of the heater's defog sometimes disasterally suplimented with cups of hot coffee perched on the glare shield. A few of us went to the auto parts store & hooked up a squeezebulb alcohol dispenser. Yes it worked & no it was rarely spoken of & never in evidence during inspections.......Dan the desert duck 77B ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Farmer To: commander-list-digest@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:02 PM Subject: Commander-List: opinions Well folks hopefully I can bring this to an end. I will try never to post a political thought on this web page. I am not angry with any one and have sort of enjoy the roust but that is not what this site is about. So I would like apologize to anyone I have offended and hope no one ever leaves this site over a difference of opinion. Most have heard about opinions--that they are like A wholes- everyone has one and the other guys usually stinks:-)) I guess Jack Benny was right when he said "it is to bad that the people who really know how to run the country are too busy shining shoes and driving cabs". Now if we can get back to Commanders and I am not talking Studebaker's. Sincerely, dan f 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:15 PM PST US From: WINGFLYER1@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Passion politics & Commander Could not have said it better! You are right on target with the politics and I`m in the process of getting my 680 up to speed but don`t have to do as much work as you have done. I to share the passion and my bird is going to be one fine machine. Just had a new interior completed and the paint shop is next. Good luck with your commander. Gil **************Stay up-to-date on the latest news - from fashion trends to celebrity break-ups and everything in between. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:26 PM PST US From: "Dan Brady" Subject: Re: Commander-List: opinions ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Brady To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 4:17 PM Subject: Fw: Commander-List: opinions ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Brady To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:19 PM Subject: Fw: Commander-List: opinions ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Brady To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:01 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: opinions Dan Farmer my brother, Oh no you're not getting of the hook that easy....what have you got against Studebakers?.....Seriously, getting back to flying machines, some aircraft wrongly earn a reputation of being unsafe because they show up in more accident/incident reports than others that are lumped into the same category. In the late '50s through the '60s twin Beeches,Azteks & Aerocommanders led the hit list at least in the midwest flatlands & great lakes area where I was doing most of my flying at that time. What wasn't considered by the hanger talk gurus was the fact that these were the 24/7 allweather work horses of the time hauling mail, checks, cargo & on demand charters yet their stats were lumped in with everything under 10,500#...including thousands of J3s,C140s,Luscombes,etc. Now we all know that a student pilot's main mission in life is to destroy the aircraft & kill the instructor,but in spite of that the incidents per flight hour stats were pretty good compared to the work horses that spent a lot of their time picking their way around tstms,landing in the middle of the night at an unattended airstrip infested with patchy ground fog or landing an ice encrusted airframe on a runway that could double as an olympic ice rink. During this period an uneven number of Commanders were involved in landing mishaps in icing conditions mostly loss of control during base to final or unintentional off runway excursions after ugly touch downs. It seems that compared to the majority of twinBs & Azteks most of the Commanders had no windscreen deicing. An approved system for the A/Cs was very costly so most went without depending instead on the high setting of the heater's defog sometimes disasterally suplimented with cups of hot coffee perched on the glare shield. A few of us went to the auto parts store & hooked up a squeezebulb alcohol dispenser. Yes it worked & no it was rarely spoken of & never in evidence during inspections.......Dan the desert duck 77B ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Farmer To: commander-list-digest@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:02 PM Subject: Commander-List: opinions Well folks hopefully I can bring this to an end. I will try never to post a political thought on this web page. I am not angry with any one and have sort of enjoy the roust but that is not what this site is about. So I would like apologize to anyone I have offended and hope no one ever leaves this site over a difference of opinion. Most have heard about opinions--that they are like A wholes- everyone has one and the other guys usually stinks:-)) I guess Jack Benny was right when he said "it is to bad that the people who really know how to run the country are too busy shining shoes and driving cabs". Now if we can get back to Commanders and I am not talking Studebaker's. 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