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1. 08:34 AM - Re: FW: Amazing video (Tylor Hall)
2. 10:28 AM - Re: FW: Amazing video (Moe-rosspistons)
3. 11:15 AM - Depressurizing a Commander (Moe-rosspistons)
4. 02:08 PM - Re: Depressurizing a Commander (Tom Fisher)
5. 03:21 PM - Re: Depressurizing a Commander (Moe-rosspistons)
6. 04:43 PM - Re: Depressurizing a Commander (Tom Fisher)
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Subject: | Re: FW: Amazing video |
I just received this from a friend.
Can this be confirmed by our friends down under?
Tylor Hall
> Australian Gun Law Update
> Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts
>
> From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia
>
> Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the now available data
> from Down Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since gun
> owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381
> personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program
> cos ting Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.
>
> The first year results are now available:
>
> Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent;
>
> Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;
>
> Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent);
>
> In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up
> 300 percent as compared with the last one year period when private
> ownership of a firearm was legal.
>
> (NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their personal firearms,
> the criminal element did not and thus criminals in Australia still
> possess their guns.)
>
> While data for the 25 years preceding the confiscation of privately
> owned guns showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms,
> this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months as
> criminals now are assured their victims will be unarmed.
>
> There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of
> the elderly, while the resident is at home.
>
> Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety
> has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended
> in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.'
>
> This story of well intentioned government intervention in the rights
> of lawful individuals to own and possess firearms won't be seen in
> the mainstream US media or on the American evening news. If
> President Obama advocates a similar confiscation in the US, there
> will not be any reporting any of this to you.
>
> But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands
> of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control
> laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.
>
> Americans may want to take note before it's too late!
>
> FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST.
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> BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO SEE WHAT
> HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US !
On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote:
> Amen!
>
> Don
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim Addington
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:16 PM
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
>
> That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this
> country are going to do there dead level best to do here.
> I got an email that had a clip that said =93A fear of weapons is a
> sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.=94 Sigmund Freud.
> I have not seen gun control work in any city or country.
> Jim Addington
>
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> To: 'art la combe'
> Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
>
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> BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!!
>
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Subject: | Re: FW: Amazing video |
Tyler,
Thanks for posting this. I had planed to, but was having a hard time
finding it in my computer. Enjoyed having lunch with you.
Regards,
Moe
From: Tylor Hall
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
I just received this from a friend.
Can this be confirmed by our friends down under?
Tylor Hall
Australian Gun Law Update
Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts
From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia
Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the now available
data from Down Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since gun
owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381
personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program cos
ting Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.
The first year results are now available:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent;
Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44
percent);
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now
up 300 percent as compared with the last one year period when private
ownership of a firearm was legal.
(NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their personal
firearms, the criminal element did not and thus criminals in Australia
still possess their guns.)
While data for the 25 years preceding the confiscation of
privately owned guns showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with
firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months as
criminals now are assured their victims will be unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and
assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home.
Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public
safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was
expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.'
This story of well intentioned government intervention in the
rights of lawful individuals to own and possess firearms won't be seen
in the mainstream US media or on the American evening news. If President
Obama advocates a similar confiscation in the US, there will not be any
reporting any of this to you.
But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the
hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control
laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Americans may want to take note before it's too late!
FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST.
DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY.
BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO SEE
WHAT HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US !
On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote:
Amen!
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Addington
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:16 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this
country are going to do there dead level best to do here.
I got an email that had a clip that said =93A fear of weapons is a
sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.=94 Sigmund Freud.
I have not seen gun control work in any city or country.
Jim Addington
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Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
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CONCLUSION!!!
The British called - They want their rights back!
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Subject: | Depressurizing a Commander |
Commander Drivers:
Has anyone been involved in removing all of the pressurizing equipment
in a commander (the one I have is a 680Fp), changing the New York Air
Brake Company hydraulic pumps back to normal pumps, and converting the
Skydrol to red fluid? One of the major expenses of maintaining the
aircraft is the Pressurization system which requires the big pumps and
Skydrol., Since my flying missions have changed since retirement,
certified known icing and pressurization are no longer absolute
requirements. Based on a past history of about the last 900 hours,
removal of these two systems would cut maintenance cost more than 50%.
Also, the de-icing equipment weighs 70.2 pounds, and the pressurization
optional (the 680Fp was not certified as a pressurized airplane)
equipment weighs 89.5 pounds. After removing this equipment I could
then install a cool air (Freon) air conditioner, which would really be
nice here in the New Mexico desert.
Any and all comments will be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
680Fp
From: Jim Addington
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:16 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this country
are going to do there dead level best to do here.
I got an email that had a clip that said "A fear of weapons is a sign of
retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud.
I have not seen gun control work in any city or country.
Jim Addington
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Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM
Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!!
The British called - They want their rights back!
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Subject: | Re: Depressurizing a Commander |
Keep me on this thread as I too would like to switch from Skydrol.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe-rosspistons
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 11:04 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Depressurizing a Commander
Commander Drivers:
Has anyone been involved in removing all of the pressurizing equipment
in a commander (the one I have is a 680Fp), changing the New York Air
Brake Company hydraulic pumps back to normal pumps, and converting the
Skydrol to red fluid? One of the major expenses of maintaining the
aircraft is the Pressurization system which requires the big pumps and
Skydrol., Since my flying missions have changed since retirement,
certified known icing and pressurization are no longer absolute
requirements. Based on a past history of about the last 900 hours,
removal of these two systems would cut maintenance cost more than 50%.
Also, the de-icing equipment weighs 70.2 pounds, and the pressurization
optional (the 680Fp was not certified as a pressurized airplane)
equipment weighs 89.5 pounds. After removing this equipment I could
then install a cool air (Freon) air conditioner, which would really be
nice here in the New Mexico desert.
Any and all comments will be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
680Fp
From: Jim Addington
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:16 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this country
are going to do there dead level best to do here.
I got an email that had a clip that said "A fear of weapons is a sign
of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud.
I have not seen gun control work in any city or country.
Jim Addington
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Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM
To: 'art la combe'
Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!!
The British called - They want their rights back!
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Subject: | Re: Depressurizing a Commander |
Tom,
I will keep you updated. Sorry, but I have forgotten what model
Commander you fly. Please advise.
Regards,
Moe
From: Tom Fisher
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Depressurizing a Commander
Keep me on this thread as I too would like to switch from Skydrol.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe-rosspistons
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 11:04 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Depressurizing a Commander
Commander Drivers:
Has anyone been involved in removing all of the pressurizing equipment
in a commander (the one I have is a 680Fp), changing the New York Air
Brake Company hydraulic pumps back to normal pumps, and converting the
Skydrol to red fluid? One of the major expenses of maintaining the
aircraft is the Pressurization system which requires the big pumps and
Skydrol., Since my flying missions have changed since retirement,
certified known icing and pressurization are no longer absolute
requirements. Based on a past history of about the last 900 hours,
removal of these two systems would cut maintenance cost more than 50%.
Also, the de-icing equipment weighs 70.2 pounds, and the pressurization
optional (the 680Fp was not certified as a pressurized airplane)
equipment weighs 89.5 pounds. After removing this equipment I could
then install a cool air (Freon) air conditioner, which would really be
nice here in the New Mexico desert.
Any and all comments will be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
680Fp
From: Jim Addington
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:16 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this country
are going to do there dead level best to do here.
I got an email that had a clip that said "A fear of weapons is a sign
of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud.
I have not seen gun control work in any city or country.
Jim Addington
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM
To: 'art la combe'
Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!!
The British called - They want their rights back!
http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE
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Subject: | Re: Depressurizing a Commander |
Thanks.
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
C-GISS is not currently pressurized as this was a survey aircraft for 19
years. In time I want to get a COOL AIR as well.
Tom.
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From: Moe-rosspistons
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Depressurizing a Commander
Tom,
I will keep you updated. Sorry, but I have forgotten what model
Commander you fly. Please advise.
Regards,
Moe
From: Tom Fisher
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 1:58 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Depressurizing a Commander
Keep me on this thread as I too would like to switch from Skydrol.
Tom
C-GISS
----- Original Message -----
From: Moe-rosspistons
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 11:04 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Depressurizing a Commander
Commander Drivers:
Has anyone been involved in removing all of the pressurizing
equipment in a commander (the one I have is a 680Fp), changing the New
York Air Brake Company hydraulic pumps back to normal pumps, and
converting the Skydrol to red fluid? One of the major expenses of
maintaining the aircraft is the Pressurization system which requires the
big pumps and Skydrol., Since my flying missions have changed since
retirement, certified known icing and pressurization are no longer
absolute requirements. Based on a past history of about the last 900
hours, removal of these two systems would cut maintenance cost more than
50%. Also, the de-icing equipment weighs 70.2 pounds, and the
pressurization optional (the 680Fp was not certified as a pressurized
airplane) equipment weighs 89.5 pounds. After removing this equipment I
could then install a cool air (Freon) air conditioner, which would
really be nice here in the New Mexico desert.
Any and all comments will be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
680Fp
From: Jim Addington
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:16 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this
country are going to do there dead level best to do here.
I got an email that had a clip that said "A fear of weapons is a
sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud.
I have not seen gun control work in any city or country.
Jim Addington
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Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM
To: 'art la combe'
Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT
CONCLUSION!!!
The British called - They want their rights back!
http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE
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