---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/30/09: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:34 AM - Re: FW: Amazing video (Tylor Hall) 2. 10:28 AM - Re: FW: Amazing video (Moe-rosspistons) 3. 11:15 AM - Depressurizing a Commander (Moe-rosspistons) 4. 02:08 PM - Re: Depressurizing a Commander (Tom Fisher) 5. 03:21 PM - Re: Depressurizing a Commander (Moe-rosspistons) 6. 04:43 PM - Re: Depressurizing a Commander (Tom Fisher) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:11 AM PST US From: Tylor Hall Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video I just received this from a friend. Can this be confirmed by our friends down under? Tylor Hall > Australian Gun Law Update > Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts > > From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia > > Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the now available data > from Down Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since gun > owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 > personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program > cos ting Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. > > The first year results are now available: > > Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent; > > Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent; > > Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent); > > In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up > 300 percent as compared with the last one year period when private > ownership of a firearm was legal. > > (NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their personal firearms, > the criminal element did not and thus criminals in Australia still > possess their guns.) > > While data for the 25 years preceding the confiscation of privately > owned guns showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, > this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months as > criminals now are assured their victims will be unarmed. > > There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of > the elderly, while the resident is at home. > > Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety > has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended > in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.' > > This story of well intentioned government intervention in the rights > of lawful individuals to own and possess firearms won't be seen in > the mainstream US media or on the American evening news. If > President Obama advocates a similar confiscation in the US, there > will not be any reporting any of this to you. > > But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands > of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control > laws affect only the law-abiding citizens. > > Americans may want to take note before it's too late! > > FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST. > > DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY. > > BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO SEE WHAT > HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US ! On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote: > Amen! > > Don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Addington > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:16 PM > Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video > > That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this > country are going to do there dead level best to do here. > I got an email that had a clip that said =93A fear of weapons is a > sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.=94 Sigmund Freud. > I have not seen gun control work in any city or country. > Jim Addington > > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of nico css > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM > To: 'art la combe' > Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video > > > BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!! > > > The British called - They want their rights back! > http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE > > > This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and > cleared by MailMarshal > > > > > Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get Hollywood > news, celebrity photos and more with the PopEater Toolbar. > > > - The Commander-List Email Forum - > <>--> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > - List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/c > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:28:24 AM PST US From: "Moe-rosspistons" Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video Tyler, Thanks for posting this. I had planed to, but was having a hard time finding it in my computer. Enjoyed having lunch with you. Regards, Moe From: Tylor Hall Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video I just received this from a friend. Can this be confirmed by our friends down under? Tylor Hall Australian Gun Law Update Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the now available data from Down Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program cos ting Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now available: Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent; Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent); In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent as compared with the last one year period when private ownership of a firearm was legal. (NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their personal firearms, the criminal element did not and thus criminals in Australia still possess their guns.) While data for the 25 years preceding the confiscation of privately owned guns showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months as criminals now are assured their victims will be unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.' This story of well intentioned government intervention in the rights of lawful individuals to own and possess firearms won't be seen in the mainstream US media or on the American evening news. If President Obama advocates a similar confiscation in the US, there will not be any reporting any of this to you. But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens. Americans may want to take note before it's too late! FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST. DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY. BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US ! On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote: Amen! Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Addington To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:16 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this country are going to do there dead level best to do here. I got an email that had a clip that said =93A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.=94 Sigmund Freud. I have not seen gun control work in any city or country. Jim Addington ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM To: 'art la combe' Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!! The British called - They want their rights back! http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get Hollywood news, celebrity photos and more with the PopEater Toolbar. - The Commander-List Email Forum -<>--> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://forums.matronics.com style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:00 AM PST US From: "Moe-rosspistons" Subject: Commander-List: Depressurizing a Commander Commander Drivers: Has anyone been involved in removing all of the pressurizing equipment in a commander (the one I have is a 680Fp), changing the New York Air Brake Company hydraulic pumps back to normal pumps, and converting the Skydrol to red fluid? One of the major expenses of maintaining the aircraft is the Pressurization system which requires the big pumps and Skydrol., Since my flying missions have changed since retirement, certified known icing and pressurization are no longer absolute requirements. Based on a past history of about the last 900 hours, removal of these two systems would cut maintenance cost more than 50%. Also, the de-icing equipment weighs 70.2 pounds, and the pressurization optional (the 680Fp was not certified as a pressurized airplane) equipment weighs 89.5 pounds. After removing this equipment I could then install a cool air (Freon) air conditioner, which would really be nice here in the New Mexico desert. Any and all comments will be greatly appreciated. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680Fp From: Jim Addington Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:16 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this country are going to do there dead level best to do here. I got an email that had a clip that said "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud. I have not seen gun control work in any city or country. Jim Addington ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!! The British called - They want their rights back! http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- = ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get Hollywood news, celebrity photos and more with the PopEater Toolbar. - The Commander-List Email Forum ---> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:08:24 PM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Depressurizing a Commander Keep me on this thread as I too would like to switch from Skydrol. Tom C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe-rosspistons To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 11:04 AM Subject: Commander-List: Depressurizing a Commander Commander Drivers: Has anyone been involved in removing all of the pressurizing equipment in a commander (the one I have is a 680Fp), changing the New York Air Brake Company hydraulic pumps back to normal pumps, and converting the Skydrol to red fluid? One of the major expenses of maintaining the aircraft is the Pressurization system which requires the big pumps and Skydrol., Since my flying missions have changed since retirement, certified known icing and pressurization are no longer absolute requirements. Based on a past history of about the last 900 hours, removal of these two systems would cut maintenance cost more than 50%. Also, the de-icing equipment weighs 70.2 pounds, and the pressurization optional (the 680Fp was not certified as a pressurized airplane) equipment weighs 89.5 pounds. After removing this equipment I could then install a cool air (Freon) air conditioner, which would really be nice here in the New Mexico desert. Any and all comments will be greatly appreciated. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680Fp From: Jim Addington Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:16 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this country are going to do there dead level best to do here. I got an email that had a clip that said "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud. I have not seen gun control work in any city or country. Jim Addington ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM To: 'art la combe' Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!! The British called - They want their rights back! http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- = ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get Hollywood news, celebrity photos and more with the PopEater Toolbar. - The Commander-List Email Forum ---> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:21:03 PM PST US From: "Moe-rosspistons" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Depressurizing a Commander Tom, I will keep you updated. Sorry, but I have forgotten what model Commander you fly. Please advise. Regards, Moe From: Tom Fisher Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 1:58 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Depressurizing a Commander Keep me on this thread as I too would like to switch from Skydrol. Tom C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe-rosspistons To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 11:04 AM Subject: Commander-List: Depressurizing a Commander Commander Drivers: Has anyone been involved in removing all of the pressurizing equipment in a commander (the one I have is a 680Fp), changing the New York Air Brake Company hydraulic pumps back to normal pumps, and converting the Skydrol to red fluid? One of the major expenses of maintaining the aircraft is the Pressurization system which requires the big pumps and Skydrol., Since my flying missions have changed since retirement, certified known icing and pressurization are no longer absolute requirements. Based on a past history of about the last 900 hours, removal of these two systems would cut maintenance cost more than 50%. Also, the de-icing equipment weighs 70.2 pounds, and the pressurization optional (the 680Fp was not certified as a pressurized airplane) equipment weighs 89.5 pounds. After removing this equipment I could then install a cool air (Freon) air conditioner, which would really be nice here in the New Mexico desert. Any and all comments will be greatly appreciated. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680Fp From: Jim Addington Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:16 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this country are going to do there dead level best to do here. I got an email that had a clip that said "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud. I have not seen gun control work in any city or country. Jim Addington ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM To: 'art la combe' Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!! The British called - They want their rights back! http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- = ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get Hollywood news, celebrity photos and more with the PopEater Toolbar. - The Commander-List Email Forum ---> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:30 PM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Depressurizing a Commander Thanks. 680FLP (Mr.RPM) C-GISS is not currently pressurized as this was a survey aircraft for 19 years. In time I want to get a COOL AIR as well. Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe-rosspistons To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 3:12 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Depressurizing a Commander Tom, I will keep you updated. Sorry, but I have forgotten what model Commander you fly. Please advise. Regards, Moe From: Tom Fisher Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 1:58 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Depressurizing a Commander Keep me on this thread as I too would like to switch from Skydrol. Tom C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe-rosspistons To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 11:04 AM Subject: Commander-List: Depressurizing a Commander Commander Drivers: Has anyone been involved in removing all of the pressurizing equipment in a commander (the one I have is a 680Fp), changing the New York Air Brake Company hydraulic pumps back to normal pumps, and converting the Skydrol to red fluid? One of the major expenses of maintaining the aircraft is the Pressurization system which requires the big pumps and Skydrol., Since my flying missions have changed since retirement, certified known icing and pressurization are no longer absolute requirements. Based on a past history of about the last 900 hours, removal of these two systems would cut maintenance cost more than 50%. Also, the de-icing equipment weighs 70.2 pounds, and the pressurization optional (the 680Fp was not certified as a pressurized airplane) equipment weighs 89.5 pounds. After removing this equipment I could then install a cool air (Freon) air conditioner, which would really be nice here in the New Mexico desert. Any and all comments will be greatly appreciated. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR 680Fp From: Jim Addington Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:16 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this country are going to do there dead level best to do here. I got an email that had a clip that said "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud. I have not seen gun control work in any city or country. Jim Addington ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM To: 'art la combe' Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!! The British called - They want their rights back! http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- = ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? 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