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5. 10:28 AM - Re: FW: Amazing video (Moe-rosspistons)
6. 11:57 AM - Re: FW: Amazing video (dongirod)
7. 12:27 PM - Nine Young Irishmen (dongirod)
8. 03:33 PM - Re: Depressurizing a Commander (Moe-rosspistons)
9. 04:54 PM - Re: FW: Amazing video (Russell Legg)
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Amazing video |
Hi Folks,
Caution...this email is a fake. The gun control laws that are mentioned in
fact were introduced in 1997 (11 years ago) after a massacre that killed 17
people.
I cannot vouch for the figures quoted but would confirm that this was an
absolutely =8Cover the top=B9 reaction to a very unfortunate incident. The cost
to tax payers is probably close, as is the estimate of number of weapons
destroyed.
The incident was committed by a lone screwball who targeted a couple of
tourist buses and caf=E9 in Tasmania.
And so the more important question relates to how we can rub out screwballs
in our society before they take their 5 seconds of limelight.
Cheers from Oz
Russell
On 31/1/09 3:46 AM, "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Tyler,
>
> Thanks for posting this. I had planed to, but was having a hard time fin
ding
> it in my computer. Enjoyed having lunch with you.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe
>
> From: Tylor Hall <mailto:tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
>
> I just received this from a friend.
> Can this be confirmed by our friends down under?
> Tylor Hall
>
>>
>> Australian Gun Law Update
>> Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts
>>
>> From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia
>>
>> Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the now available data fr
om
>> Down Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since gun owners in
>> Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firear
ms to
>> be destroyed by our own government, a program cos ting Australia taxpa
yers
>> more than $500 million dollars.
>>
>> The first year results are now available:
>>
>> Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent;
>>
>> Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;
>>
>> Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent);
>>
>> In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300
>> percent as compared with the last one year period when private ownershi
p of
>> a firearm was legal.
>>
>> (NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their personal firearms, the
>> criminal element did not and thus criminals in Australia still possess
their
>> guns.)
>>
>> While data for the 25 years preceding the confiscation of privately own
ed
>> guns showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has
>> changed drastically upward in the past 12 months as criminals now are
>> assured their victims will be unarmed.
>>
>> There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of th
e
>> elderly, while the resident is at home.
>>
>> Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has
>> decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in
>> 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.'
>>
>> This story of well intentioned government intervention in the rights of
>> lawful individuals to own and possess firearms won't be seen in the
>> mainstream US media or on the American evening news. If President Obama
>> advocates a similar confiscation in the US, there will not be any repor
ting
>> any of this to you.
>>
>> But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of
>> honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affe
ct
>> only the law-abiding citizens.
>>
>> Americans may want to take note before it's too late!
>>
>> FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST.
>>
>> DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY.
>>
>> BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO SEE WHAT HAP
PENED
>> IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US !
> On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Amen!
>>
>>
>>
>> Don
>>
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>>> From: Jim Addington <mailto:jtaddington@verizon.net>
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>>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
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>>> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:16 PM
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>>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
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>>>
>>> That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this country
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>>> going to do there dead level best to do here.
>>>
>>> I got an email that had a clip that said =B3A fear of weapons is a sign
of
>>> retarded sexual and emotional maturity.=B2 Sigmund Freud.
>>>
>>> I have not seen gun control work in any city or country.
>>>
>>> Jim Addington
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> To: 'art la combe'
>>> Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!!
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The British called - They want their rights back!
>>> http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Amazing video |
After I posted that, I thought I should have done a fact check on it.
There is a lot of stuff going around that is not true and we need to
check it out.
Back to helping Moe convert his 680FP and Tom's 680FLP to low pressure
hydraulics.
In light of the cost of operation, I am back to thinking about a 680E.
Moe and I had lunch the other day. Good to see him again.
Tylor Hall
On Jan 31, 2009, at 2:20 AM, Russell Legg wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Caution...this email is a fake. The gun control laws that are
> mentioned in fact were introduced in 1997 (11 years ago) after a
> massacre that killed 17 people.
>
> I cannot vouch for the figures quoted but would confirm that this
> was an absolutely =91over the top=92 reaction to a very unfortunate
> incident. The cost to tax payers is probably close, as is the
> estimate of number of weapons destroyed.
>
> The incident was committed by a lone screwball who targeted a couple
> of tourist buses and caf=E9 in Tasmania.
>
> And so the more important question relates to how we can rub out
> screwballs in our society before they take their 5 seconds of
> limelight.
>
> Cheers from Oz
>
> Russell
>
>
> On 31/1/09 3:46 AM, "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Tyler,
>
> Thanks for posting this. I had planed to, but was having a hard
> time finding it in my computer. Enjoyed having lunch with you.
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe
>
> From: Tylor Hall <mailto:tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
>
> I just received this from a friend.
> Can this be confirmed by our friends down under?
> Tylor Hall
>
>
> Australian Gun Law Update
> Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts
>
> From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia
>
> Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the now available
> data from Down Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since
> gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender
> 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a
> program cos ting Australia taxpayers more than $500 million
> dollars.
>
> The first year results are now available:
>
> Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent;
>
> Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;
>
> Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent);
>
> In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up
> 300 percent as compared with the last one year period when private
> ownership of a firearm was legal.
>
> (NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their personal firearms,
> the criminal element did not and thus criminals in Australia still
> possess their guns.)
>
> While data for the 25 years preceding the confiscation of privately
> owned guns showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms,
> this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months as
> criminals now are assured their victims will be unarmed.
>
> There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults
> of the elderly, while the resident is at home.
>
> Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety
> has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was
> expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.'
>
> This story of well intentioned government intervention in the
> rights of lawful individuals to own and possess firearms won't be
> seen in the mainstream US media or on the American evening news. If
> President Obama advocates a similar confiscation in the US, there
> will not be any reporting any of this to you.
>
> But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands
> of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control
> laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.
>
> Americans may want to take note before it's too late!
>
> FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST.
>
> DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY.
>
> BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO SEE WHAT
> HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US !
>
> On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote:
>
>
> Amen!
>
>
> Don
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Jim Addington <mailto:jtaddington@verizon.net>
>
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:16 PM
>
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
>
>
> That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this
> country are going to do there dead level best to do here.
>
> I got an email that had a clip that said =93A fear of weapons is a
> sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.=94 Sigmund Freud.
>
> I have not seen gun control work in any city or country.
>
> Jim Addington
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
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> ] On Behalf Of nico css
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM
> To: 'art la combe'
> Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
>
>
> BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!!
>
>
> The British called - They want their rights back!
> http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE
<http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Amazing video |
Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing videoRussell,
Do you have any idea of how long it took for the armed robbery rate to
accelerate to the approximate number quoted? This email is not new. I
seem to remember seeing it quite some time ago. Is it possible that it
was originally written about nine or ten years ago?
Cheers!
Moe
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Russell Legg
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 1:20 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
Hi Folks,
Caution...this email is a fake. The gun control laws that are mentioned
in fact were introduced in 1997 (11 years ago) after a massacre that
killed 17 people.
I cannot vouch for the figures quoted but would confirm that this was an
absolutely 'over the top' reaction to a very unfortunate incident. The
cost to tax payers is probably close, as is the estimate of number of
weapons destroyed.
The incident was committed by a lone screwball who targeted a couple of
tourist buses and caf=E9 in Tasmania.
And so the more important question relates to how we can rub out
screwballs in our society before they take their 5 seconds of limelight.
Cheers from Oz
Russell
On 31/1/09 3:46 AM, "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Tyler,
Thanks for posting this. I had planed to, but was having a hard time
finding it in my computer. Enjoyed having lunch with you.
Regards,
Moe
From: Tylor Hall <mailto:tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
I just received this from a friend.
Can this be confirmed by our friends down under?
Tylor Hall
Australian Gun Law Update
Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts
From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia
Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the now available
data from Down Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since gun
owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381
personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program cos
ting Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.
The first year results are now available:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent;
Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44
percent);
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up
300 percent as compared with the last one year period when private
ownership of a firearm was legal.
(NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their personal firearms,
the criminal element did not and thus criminals in Australia still
possess their guns.)
While data for the 25 years preceding the confiscation of privately
owned guns showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms,
this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months as criminals
now are assured their victims will be unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults
of the elderly, while the resident is at home.
Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety
has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in
'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.'
This story of well intentioned government intervention in the
rights of lawful individuals to own and possess firearms won't be seen
in the mainstream US media or on the American evening news. If
President Obama advocates a similar confiscation in the US, there will
not be any reporting any of this to you.
But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands
of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws
affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Americans may want to take note before it's too late!
FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST.
DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY.
BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO SEE WHAT
HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US !
On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote:
Amen!
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Addington <mailto:jtaddington@verizon.net>
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:16 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this
country are going to do there dead level best to do here.
I got an email that had a clip that said "A fear of weapons is a
sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud.
I have not seen gun control work in any city or country.
Jim Addington
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Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT
CONCLUSION!!!
The British called - They want their rights back!
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| Subject: | Re: Depressurizing a Commander |
HI MOE.
Yes, it has been done.=C2- It is a simple matter of nuts & bolts.=C2- Re
moving the press. system will however require a change in the heating system
.=C2- As for the switch to red fluid.=C2- Yes that to has been done.=C2
- There is no paper work for that change, but we know of Commanders that h
ave been changed.=C2- Press. Commanders converted to the MR RPM engines us
e bleed air to press, but are still required to use skydrol.=C2- I spoke w
ith Dick Macoon about this a few years back and he confirmed that his STC do
es not allow for the change to red fluid.=C2- i believe that the hi press
pumps with the reducer must also be retained, but I am not certain.=C2- Th
ere is no clear answer on the need to change all of the "O" rings in the sys
tem.=C2- Morris K says absolutely, others say no, I cant say.=C2- I woul
d take a skdrol O ring and soak it in red fluid, if it stays the same size,
OK.=C2- If it grows, no good.=C2- I believe it would require a 337 and f
ield approval to make the change.=C2- jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com>
Sent: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:04 am
Subject: Commander-List: Depressurizing a Commander
Commander Drivers:
=C2-
Has anyone been involved in removing all of the pressurizing equipment in a
commander (the one I have is a 680Fp), changing the New York Air Brake Compa
ny hydraulic pumps back to normal pumps, and converting the Skydrol to red f
luid?=C2- One of the=2
0major expenses of maintaining the aircraft is the Pressurization system whi
ch requires the big pumps and Skydrol., Since my flying missions have change
d since retirement, certified known icing and pressurization are no longer a
bsolute requirements.=C2- Based on a past history of about the last 900 ho
urs, removal of these two systems would cut maintenance cost more than 50%.
=C2- Also, the de-icing equipment weighs 70.2 pounds, and the pressurizati
on optional (the 680Fp was not certified as a pressurized airplane) equipmen
t weighs 89.5 pounds.=C2- After removing this equipment I could then insta
ll a cool air (Freon) air conditioner, which would really be nice here in th
e New Mexico desert.
=C2-
Any and all comments will be greatly appreciated.
=C2-
Regards,
=C2-
Moe Mills
N680RR
680Fp
From: Jim Addington
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:16 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this country are go
ing to do there dead level best to do here.
I got an email that had a clip that said =9CA fear of weapons is a sig
n of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.=9D Sigmund Freud.
I have not seen gun control work in any city or country.
Jim Addington
=C2-
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Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM
Subject: Commander-
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Tyler,
I suspect that the operating cost of a 680F (not pressurized) and a 680E
should be close to the same, with the exception of the additional fuel
costs for the "F". The "F" (flat nacelle) should be faster than the "E"
(bathtub nacelle) but I have no idea if it will come close to offsetting
the additional fuel burn (square the horsepower to increase the speed?).
Regards,
Moe
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Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Tylor Hall
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
After I posted that, I thought I should have done a fact check on it.
There is a lot of stuff going around that is not true and we need to
check it out.
Back to helping Moe convert his 680FP and Tom's 680FLP to low pressure
hydraulics.
In light of the cost of operation, I am back to thinking about a 680E.
Moe and I had lunch the other day. Good to see him again.
Tylor Hall
On Jan 31, 2009, at 2:20 AM, Russell Legg wrote:
Hi Folks,
Caution...this email is a fake. The gun control laws that are
mentioned in fact were introduced in 1997 (11 years ago) after a
massacre that killed 17 people.
I cannot vouch for the figures quoted but would confirm that this was
an absolutely =91over the top=92 reaction to a very unfortunate
incident. The cost to tax payers is probably close, as is the estimate
of number of weapons destroyed.
The incident was committed by a lone screwball who targeted a couple
of tourist buses and caf=E9 in Tasmania.
And so the more important question relates to how we can rub out
screwballs in our society before they take their 5 seconds of limelight.
Cheers from Oz
Russell
On 31/1/09 3:46 AM, "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Tyler,
Thanks for posting this. I had planed to, but was having a hard
time finding it in my computer. Enjoyed having lunch with you.
Regards,
Moe
From: Tylor Hall <mailto:tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
I just received this from a friend.
Can this be confirmed by our friends down under?
Tylor Hall
Australian Gun Law Update
Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts
From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia
Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the now available
data from Down Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since gun
owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381
personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program cos
ting Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.
The first year results are now available:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent;
Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44
percent);
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now
up 300 percent as compared with the last one year period when private
ownership of a firearm was legal.
(NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their personal
firearms, the criminal element did not and thus criminals in Australia
still possess their guns.)
While data for the 25 years preceding the confiscation of
privately owned guns showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with
firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months as
criminals now are assured their victims will be unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults
of the elderly, while the resident is at home.
Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety
has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in
'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.'
This story of well intentioned government intervention in the
rights of lawful individuals to own and possess firearms won't be seen
in the mainstream US media or on the American evening news. If
President Obama advocates a similar confiscation in the US, there will
not be any reporting any of this to you.
But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the
hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control
laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Americans may want to take note before it's too late!
FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST.
DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY.
BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO SEE
WHAT HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US !
On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote:
Amen!
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Addington <mailto:jtaddington@verizon.net>
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:16 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this
country are going to do there dead level best to do here.
I got an email that had a clip that said =93A fear of weapons
is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.=94 Sigmund Freud.
I have not seen gun control work in any city or country.
Jim Addington
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Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing videoRussell
Any idea on how the violent crimes as a percentage have done in the last
11 years? Up, down, sideways, or does your equivalent of the FBI post
such crime figures like they do in the U.S.?
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Russell Legg
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 4:20 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
Hi Folks,
Caution...this email is a fake. The gun control laws that are
mentioned in fact were introduced in 1997 (11 years ago) after a
massacre that killed 17 people.
I cannot vouch for the figures quoted but would confirm that this was
an absolutely 'over the top' reaction to a very unfortunate incident.
The cost to tax payers is probably close, as is the estimate of number
of weapons destroyed.
The incident was committed by a lone screwball who targeted a couple
of tourist buses and caf=E9 in Tasmania.
And so the more important question relates to how we can rub out
screwballs in our society before they take their 5 seconds of limelight.
Cheers from Oz
Russell
On 31/1/09 3:46 AM, "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Tyler,
Thanks for posting this. I had planed to, but was having a hard
time finding it in my computer. Enjoyed having lunch with you.
Regards,
Moe
From: Tylor Hall <mailto:tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
I just received this from a friend.
Can this be confirmed by our friends down under?
Tylor Hall
Australian Gun Law Update
Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts
From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia
Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the now available
data from Down Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since gun
owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381
personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program cos
ting Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.
The first year results are now available:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent;
Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;
Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44
percent);
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now
up 300 percent as compared with the last one year period when private
ownership of a firearm was legal.
(NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their personal
firearms, the criminal element did not and thus criminals in Australia
still possess their guns.)
While data for the 25 years preceding the confiscation of
privately owned guns showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with
firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months as
criminals now are assured their victims will be unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults
of the elderly, while the resident is at home.
Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety
has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in
'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.'
This story of well intentioned government intervention in the
rights of lawful individuals to own and possess firearms won't be seen
in the mainstream US media or on the American evening news. If
President Obama advocates a similar confiscation in the US, there will
not be any reporting any of this to you.
But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the
hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control
laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Americans may want to take note before it's too late!
FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST.
DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY.
BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO SEE
WHAT HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US !
On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote:
Amen!
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Addington <mailto:jtaddington@verizon.net>
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:16 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this
country are going to do there dead level best to do here.
I got an email that had a clip that said "A fear of weapons is
a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud.
I have not seen gun control work in any city or country.
Jim Addington
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BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT
CONCLUSION!!!
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Russell;
I am sure you are probably familiar with the following story of the
'Nine Young Irishmen', it is not just about Australia, (as many were
also sent to North America), but a large portion of the English speaking
world. Speaks wonders of what we can do when we 'mature' and redirect
our energies.
And I believe this story is true. I checked with Snopes and they have
nothing on it.
Don
In the 1848 revolt by the Young Irishmen nine men were captured, tried,
and convicted of treason against Her Majesty, the Queen, and were
sentenced to death: John Mitchell, Morris Lyene, Pat Donahue, Thomas
McGee, Charles Duffy, Thomas Meagher, Richard O'Gorman, Terrence
McManus, Michael Ireland.
Before sentence was passed, the condemned men were asked if they had any
final words for the court. Thomas Meagher, speaking for all of them
said, "My lord, this is our first offense but it won't be our last. If
you will be easy with us this once, we promise, on our word as
gentlemen, to try to do better next time. And next time - sure we won't
be fools enough to get caught."
Immediately the indignant judge sentenced them all "to be hanged by the
neck until dead and drawn and quartered" ----the normal "civilized"
punishment for anyone offending the English crown at that time.
Passionate protests from all over the world forced the sentence to be
commuted to transportation for life to the wretched penal colonies of
Australia.
Fortunately, the hand of the Almighty often over-rules the plans of even
the British Government.
In 1874, word reached England that Charles Duffy who had been elected
Prime Minister of Australia was the same Charles Duffy who had been
transported 25 years before. On the Queen's demand, the records of the
rest of the transported men were revealed and this is what was
uncovered:
JOHN MITCHELL, prominent New York politician. This was the father of
John
Purroy Mitchell, Mayor of New York, at the outbreak of World War I.
MORRIS LYENE, Attorney General of Australia, to which office
MICHAEL IRELAND succeeded him
PATRICK DONAHUE, Brigadier General, United States Army
THOMAS D'ARCY McGEE, Member of Parliament, Montreal, Minister of
Agriculture and President of Council Dominion of Canada
THOMAS FRANCIS MEAGHER, Governor of Montana
TERRENCE MCMANUS, Brigadier General, United States Army
RICHARD O'GORMAN, Governor General of Newfoundland
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Thanks, JB, I shall check up on changing the pumps. I would not feel
very comfortable with the big (4,000 PSI rating) pumps and red fluid,
given their tendancy for high pressure leaks. This, to me would be a
fire hazard that I am not willing to risk.
Regards,
Moe
From: yourtcfg@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Depressurizing a Commander
HI MOE.
Yes, it has been done. It is a simple matter of nuts & bolts. Removing
the press. system will however require a change in the heating system.
As for the switch to red fluid. Yes that to has been done. There is no
paper work for that change, but we know of Commanders that have been
changed. Press. Commanders converted to the MR RPM engines use bleed
air to press, but are still required to use skydrol. I spoke with Dick
Macoon about this a few years back and he confirmed that his STC does
not allow for the change to red fluid. i believe that the hi press
pumps with the reducer must also be retained, but I am not certain.
There is no clear answer on the need to change all of the "O" rings in
the system. Morris K says absolutely, others say no, I cant say. I
would take a skdrol O ring and soak it in red fluid, if it stays the
same size, OK. If it grows, no good. I believe it would require a 337
and field approval to make the change. jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com>
Sent: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:04 am
Subject: Commander-List: Depressurizing a Commander
Commander Drivers:
Has anyone been involved in removing all of the pressurizing equipment
in a commander (the one I have is a 680Fp), changing the New York Air
Brake Company hydraulic pumps back to normal pumps, and converting the
Skydrol to red fluid? One of the major expenses of maintaining the
aircraft is the Pressurization system which requires the big pumps and
Skydrol., Since my flying missions have changed since retirement,
certified known icing and pressurization are no longer absolute
requirements. Based on a past history of about the last 900 hours,
removal of these two systems would cut maintenance cost more than 50%.
Also, the de-icing equipment weighs 70.2 pounds, and the pressuriz ation
optional (the 680Fp was not certified as a pressurized airplane)
equipment weighs 89.5 pounds. After removing this equipment I could
then install a cool air (Freon) air conditioner, which would really be
nice here in the New Mexico desert.
Any and all comments will be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Moe Mills
N680RR
680Fp
From: Jim Addington
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:16 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
That is a goo d video and that is what the new leaders in this country
are going to do there dead level best to do here.
I got an email that had a clip that said =9CA fear of weapons is a
sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.=9D Sigmund Freud.
I have not seen gun control work in any city or country.
Jim Addington
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G=B9day Don,
I will dig around and see what turns up.
Cheers
Russell
On 1/2/09 5:17 AM, "dongirod" <dongirod@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Russell
>
> Any idea on how the violent crimes as a percentage have done in the last
11
> years? Up, down, sideways, or does your equivalent of the FBI post such
crime
> figures like they do in the U.S.?
>
> Don
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Russell Legg <mailto:rlegg@austarnet.com.au>
>>
>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 4:20 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
>>
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> Caution...this email is a fake. The gun control laws that are mentioned
in
>> fact were introduced in 1997 (11 years ago) after a massacre that kille
d 17
>> people.
>>
>> I cannot vouch for the figures quoted but would confirm that this was a
n
>> absolutely =8Cover the top=B9 reaction to a very unfortunate incident. The
cost
>> to tax payers is probably close, as is the estimate of number of weapon
s
>> destroyed.
>>
>> The incident was committed by a lone screwball who targeted a couple of
>> tourist buses and caf=E9 in Tasmania.
>>
>> And so the more important question relates to how we can rub out screwb
alls
>> in our society before they take their 5 seconds of limelight.
>>
>> Cheers from Oz
>>
>> Russell
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31/1/09 3:46 AM, "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com> wr
ote:
>>
>>
>>> Tyler,
>>>
>>> Thanks for posting this. I had planed to, but was having a hard time
>>> finding it in my computer. Enjoyed having lunch with you.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Moe
>>>
>>> From: Tylor Hall <mailto:tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 AM
>>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
>>>
>>> I just received this from a friend.
>>> Can this be confirmed by our friends down under?
>>> Tylor Hall
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Australian Gun Law Update
>>>> Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts
>>>>
>>>> From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia
>>>>
>>>> Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the now available data
from
>>>> Down Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since gun owners in
>>>> Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal fir
earms
>>>> to be destroyed by our own government, a program cos ting Australia
>>>> taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.
>>>>
>>>> The first year results are now available:
>>>>
>>>> Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent;
>>>>
>>>> Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;
>>>>
>>>> Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent);
>>>>
>>>> In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 3
00
>>>> percent as compared with the last one year period when private owner
ship
>>>> of a firearm was legal.
>>>>
>>>> (NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their personal firearms, t
he
>>>> criminal element did not and thus criminals in Australia still posse
ss
>>>> their guns.)
>>>>
>>>> While data for the 25 years preceding the confiscation of privately
owned
>>>> guns showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this h
as
>>>> changed drastically upward in the past 12 months as criminals now ar
e
>>>> assured their victims will be unarmed.
>>>>
>>>> There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of
the
>>>> elderly, while the resident is at home.
>>>>
>>>> Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety ha
s
>>>> decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in
>>>> 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.'
>>>>
>>>> This story of well intentioned government intervention in the rights
of
>>>> lawful individuals to own and possess firearms won't be seen in the
>>>> mainstream US media or on the American evening news. If President Ob
ama
>>>> advocates a similar confiscation in the US, there will not be any
>>>> reporting any of this to you.
>>>>
>>>> But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands
of
>>>> honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws a
ffect
>>>> only the law-abiding citizens.
>>>>
>>>> Americans may want to take note before it's too late!
>>>>
>>>> FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST.
>>>>
>>>> DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY.
>>>>
>>>> BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO SEE WHAT
>>>> HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US !
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Amen!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Jim Addington <mailto:jtaddington@verizon.net>
>>>>>
>>>>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:16 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this count
ry
>>>>> are going to do there dead level best to do here.
>>>>>
>>>>> I got an email that had a clip that said =B3A fear of weapons is a si
gn of
>>>>> retarded sexual and emotional maturity.=B2 Sigmund Freud.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have not seen gun control work in any city or country.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Addington
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico
css
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM
>>>>> To: 'art la combe'
>>>>> Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION
!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The British called - They want their rights back!
>>>>> http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE
>>>>> <http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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eared
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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G=B9day Moe,
Yes you are right...this email or something close was circulated in 1998 or
1999 and it made reference to an increased incidence of armed robbery et al
.
It is very difficult to comment on the statistics because back in those day
s
=8Cwhole of Australia=B9 trends were difficult to ascertain. The quoted
statistics may in fact only be on the basis of aggregating a couple of Stat
e
results.
In reality...we still have armed hold-ups, we still have armed assaults and
we still have death by mis-adventure caused by accidental discharge of
firearms.
Glad you are really bonding with the golden pedal...
Cheers from Oz
Russell
On 1/2/09 2:37 AM, "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Russell,
>
> Do you have any idea of how long it took for the armed robbery rate to
> accelerate to the approximate number quoted? This email is not new. I s
eem
> to remember seeing it quite some time ago. Is it possible that it was
> originally written about nine or ten years ago?
>
> Cheers!
>
> Moe
> Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
>
>
> From: Russell Legg <mailto:rlegg@austarnet.com.au>
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 1:20 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Caution...this email is a fake. The gun control laws that are mentioned i
n
> fact were introduced in 1997 (11 years ago) after a massacre that killed
17
> people.
>
> I cannot vouch for the figures quoted but would confirm that this was an
> absolutely =8Cover the top=B9 reaction to a very unfortunate incident. The co
st to
> tax payers is probably close, as is the estimate of number of weapons
> destroyed.
>
> The incident was committed by a lone screwball who targeted a couple of
> tourist buses and caf=E9 in Tasmania.
>
> And so the more important question relates to how we can rub out screwbal
ls in
> our society before they take their 5 seconds of limelight.
>
> Cheers from Oz
>
> Russell
>
>
>
> On 31/1/09 3:46 AM, "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com> wrote
:
>
>> Tyler,
>>
>> Thanks for posting this. I had planed to, but was having a hard time
>> finding it in my computer. Enjoyed having lunch with you.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Moe
>>
>> From: Tylor Hall <mailto:tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
>> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 AM
>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
>>
>> I just received this from a friend.
>> Can this be confirmed by our friends down under?
>> Tylor Hall
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Australian Gun Law Update
>>> Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts
>>>
>>> From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia
>>>
>>> Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the now available data
from
>>> Down Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since gun owners in
>>> Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal fire
arms
>>> to be destroyed by our own government, a program cos ting Australia
>>> taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.
>>>
>>> The first year results are now available:
>>>
>>> Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent;
>>>
>>> Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;
>>>
>>> Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent);
>>>
>>> In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 30
0
>>> percent as compared with the last one year period when private owners
hip
>>> of a firearm was legal.
>>>
>>> (NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their personal firearms, th
e
>>> criminal element did not and thus criminals in Australia still posses
s
>>> their guns.)
>>>
>>> While data for the 25 years preceding the confiscation of privately o
wned
>>> guns showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this ha
s
>>> changed drastically upward in the past 12 months as criminals now are
>>> assured their victims will be unarmed.
>>>
>>> There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of
the
>>> elderly, while the resident is at home.
>>>
>>> Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has
>>> decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in
>>> 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.'
>>>
>>> This story of well intentioned government intervention in the rights
of
>>> lawful individuals to own and possess firearms won't be seen in the
>>> mainstream US media or on the American evening news. If President Oba
ma
>>> advocates a similar confiscation in the US, there will not be any
>>> reporting any of this to you.
>>>
>>> But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands o
f
>>> honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws af
fect
>>> only the law-abiding citizens.
>>>
>>> Americans may want to take note before it's too late!
>>>
>>> FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST.
>>>
>>> DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY.
>>>
>>> BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO SEE WHAT
>>> HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US !
>>
>>
>> On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Amen!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: Jim Addington <mailto:jtaddington@verizon.net>
>>>>
>>>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:16 PM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this countr
y are
>>>> going to do there dead level best to do here.
>>>>
>>>> I got an email that had a clip that said =B3A fear of weapons is a sig
n of
>>>> retarded sexual and emotional maturity.=B2 Sigmund Freud.
>>>>
>>>> I have not seen gun control work in any city or country.
>>>>
>>>> Jim Addington
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico
css
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM
>>>> To: 'art la combe'
>>>> Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!
!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The British called - They want their rights back!
>>>> http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE
>>>> <http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cle
ared
>>>> by MailMarshal
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get Hollywood
news,
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Amazing video |
Moe,
I have been told that the 680E will burn 30-32 GPH at 170-190 kts. I
do not need to get there is blinding speed.
I also need to go high as you know. When I had Dan Farmers 500B for a
year, she burned 30 GPH.
Taking off of Pagosa Springs at 7600' in the summer was a concern with
a single engine ceiling of 8500'.
It gets hot here in New Mexico.
Tylor Hall
On Jan 31, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Moe-rosspistons wrote:
> Tyler,
>
> I suspect that the operating cost of a 680F (not pressurized) and a
> 680E should be close to the same, with the exception of the
> additional fuel costs for the "F". The "F" (flat nacelle) should be
> faster than the "E" (bathtub nacelle) but I have no idea if it will
> come close to offsetting the additional fuel burn (square the
> horsepower to increase the speed?).
>
> Regards,
>
> Moe
> N680RR
> Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
>
> From: Tylor Hall
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:00 AM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
>
> After I posted that, I thought I should have done a fact check on it.
> There is a lot of stuff going around that is not true and we need to
> check it out.
>
> Back to helping Moe convert his 680FP and Tom's 680FLP to low
> pressure hydraulics.
>
> In light of the cost of operation, I am back to thinking about a 680E.
> Moe and I had lunch the other day. Good to see him again.
>
> Tylor Hall
>
> On Jan 31, 2009, at 2:20 AM, Russell Legg wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> Caution...this email is a fake. The gun control laws that are
>> mentioned in fact were introduced in 1997 (11 years ago) after a
>> massacre that killed 17 people.
>>
>> I cannot vouch for the figures quoted but would confirm that this
>> was an absolutely =91over the top=92 reaction to a very unfortunate
>> incident. The cost to tax payers is probably close, as is the
>> estimate of number of weapons destroyed.
>>
>> The incident was committed by a lone screwball who targeted a
>> couple of tourist buses and caf=E9 in Tasmania.
>>
>> And so the more important question relates to how we can rub out
>> screwballs in our society before they take their 5 seconds of
>> limelight.
>>
>> Cheers from Oz
>>
>> Russell
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31/1/09 3:46 AM, "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Tyler,
>>
>> Thanks for posting this. I had planed to, but was having a hard
>> time finding it in my computer. Enjoyed having lunch with you.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Moe
>>
>> From: Tylor Hall <mailto:tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
>> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 AM
>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
>>
>> I just received this from a friend.
>> Can this be confirmed by our friends down under?
>> Tylor Hall
>>
>>
>> Australian Gun Law Update
>> Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts
>>
>> From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia
>>
>> Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the now available
>> data from Down Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since
>> gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender
>> 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a
>> program cos ting Australia taxpayers more than $500 million
>> dollars.
>>
>> The first year results are now available:
>>
>> Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent;
>>
>> Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;
>>
>> Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent);
>>
>> In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up
>> 300 percent as compared with the last one year period when private
>> ownership of a firearm was legal.
>>
>> (NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their personal firearms,
>> the criminal element did not and thus criminals in Australia still
>> possess their guns.)
>>
>> While data for the 25 years preceding the confiscation of
>> privately owned guns showed a steady decrease in armed robbery
>> with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12
>> months as criminals now are assured their victims will be unarmed.
>>
>> There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults
>> of the elderly, while the resident is at home.
>>
>> Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety
>> has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was
>> expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.'
>>
>> This story of well intentioned government intervention in the
>> rights of lawful individuals to own and possess firearms won't be
>> seen in the mainstream US media or on the American evening news.
>> If President Obama advocates a similar confiscation in the US,
>> there will not be any reporting any of this to you.
>>
>> But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the
>> hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-
>> control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.
>>
>> Americans may want to take note before it's too late!
>>
>> FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST.
>>
>> DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY.
>>
>> BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO SEE
>> WHAT HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US !
>>
>> On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Amen!
>>
>>
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Jim Addington <mailto:jtaddington@verizon.net>
>>
>> To: commander-list@matronics.com
>>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:16 PM
>>
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this
>> country are going to do there dead level best to do here.
>>
>> I got an email that had a clip that said =93A fear of weapons is a
>> sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.=94 Sigmund Freud.
>>
>> I have not seen gun control work in any city or country.
>>
>> Jim Addington
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
>> ] On Behalf Of nico css
>> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM
>> To: 'art la combe'
>> Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The British called - They want their rights back!
>> http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE
<http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and
>> cleared by MailMarshal
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get
>> Hollywood news, celebrity photos and more with the PopEater
>> Toolbar
<http://toolbar.aol.com/popeater/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000027
>> > .
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And how much prominence has been killed through abortion, I wonder.
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dongirod
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:18 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Nine Young Irishmen
Russell;
I am sure you are probably familiar with the following story of the 'Nine
Young Irishmen', it is not just about Australia, (as many were also sent to
North America), but a large portion of the English speaking world. Speaks
wonders of what we can do when we 'mature' and redirect our energies.
And I believe this story is true. I checked with Snopes and they have
nothing on it.
Don
In the 1848 revolt by the Young Irishmen nine men were captured, tried, and
convicted of treason against Her Majesty, the Queen, and were sentenced to
death: John Mitchell, Morris Lyene, Pat Donahue, Thomas McGee, Charles
Duffy, Thomas Meagher, Richard O'Gorman, Terrence McManus, Michael Ireland.
Before sentence was passed, the condemned men were asked if they had any
final words for the court. Thomas Meagher, speaking for all of them said,
"My lord, this is our first offense but it won't be our last. If you will be
easy with us this once, we promise, on our word as gentlemen, to try to do
better next time. And next time - sure we won't be fools enough to get
caught."
Immediately the indignant judge sentenced them all "to be hanged by the neck
until dead and drawn and quartered" ----the normal "civilized" punishment
for anyone offending the English crown at that time. Passionate protests
from all over the world forced the sentence to be commuted to transportation
for life to the wretched penal colonies of Australia.
Fortunately, the hand of the Almighty often over-rules the plans of even the
British Government.
In 1874, word reached England that Charles Duffy who had been elected Prime
Minister of Australia was the same Charles Duffy who had been transported 25
years before. On the Queen's demand, the records of the rest of the
transported men were revealed and this is what was uncovered:
JOHN MITCHELL, prominent New York politician. This was the father of John
Purroy Mitchell, Mayor of New York, at the outbreak of World War I.
MORRIS LYENE, Attorney General of Australia, to which office
MICHAEL IRELAND succeeded him
PATRICK DONAHUE, Brigadier General, United States Army
THOMAS D'ARCY McGEE, Member of Parliament, Montreal, Minister of
Agriculture and President of Council Dominion of Canada
THOMAS FRANCIS MEAGHER, Governor of Montana
TERRENCE MCMANUS, Brigadier General, United States Army
RICHARD O'GORMAN, Governor General of Newfoundland
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Oh boy, here we go again...
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Hi Guys,
Those of you interested might find this enlightening.
http://www.ssaa.org.au/capitalnews/2008/2008-09-04_melbourne-uni-paper-Aust-
gun-buyback.pdf
It only shows what most of us already know.
I wont start a commentary because it will go on for hours.
Cheers
Richard
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
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Oh boy, here we go again...
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This one is also good.
http://www.ssaa.org.au/research/2008/2008-06_evaluating-britains-handgun-ban
.html
We have gone so far in Australia to have our own political party. At the
moment we have two seats in parliament in New South Wales. The Greenies hate
us.
Cheers
Richard
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Vormbaum
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Oh boy, here we go again...
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