---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/01/09: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:35 AM - Re: Nine Young Irishmen (Robert Feldtman) 2. 05:48 AM - Re: FW: Amazing video (Robert Feldtman) 3. 06:19 AM - Re: FW: Amazing video (Tom Fisher) 4. 08:55 AM - Re: FW: Amazing video (Moe-rosspistons) 5. 09:06 AM - Re: Depressurizing a Commander (MASON CHEVAILLIER) 6. 10:49 AM - Re: Nine Young Irishmen () 7. 10:59 AM - Re: Nine Young Irishmen (dongirod) 8. 12:27 PM - Re: Nine Young Irishmen () 9. 12:54 PM - Re: Nine Young Irishmen (Richard & Jacqui Thompson) 10. 06:34 PM - Re: Nine Young Irishmen () 11. 07:05 PM - Re: Nine Young Irishmen (nico css) 12. 11:01 PM - Official Commander-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle) 13. 11:11 PM - Official Commander-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:37 AM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nine Young Irishmen From: Robert Feldtman merely 34 MILLION in America alone! Oh - those were working taxpayers which we don't have now. I know it is off topic - but truthfully, it is never off topic. Look at all "my" hobbies - general aviation, ham radio, hunting and fishing, my military career, all the "guy" stuff, is now old grey haired guys. there just aren't enough young people out there to get interest. I can think of 17 million young boys who might have had an interest. bobf On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 8:38 PM, nico css wrote: > And how much prominence has been killed through abortion, I wonder. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *dongirod > *Sent:* Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:18 PM > *To:* Commander-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Commander-List: Nine Young Irishmen > > Russell; > > I am sure you are probably familiar with the following story of the 'Nine > Young Irishmen', it is not just about Australia, (as many were also sent to > North America), but a large portion of the English speaking world. Speaks > wonders of what we can do when we 'mature' and redirect our energies. > > And I believe this story is true. I checked with Snopes and they have > nothing on it. > > Don > > > In the 1848 revolt by the Young Irishmen nine men were captured, tried, and > convicted of treason against Her Majesty, the Queen, and were sentenced to > death: John Mitchell, Morris Lyene, Pat Donahue, Thomas McGee, Charles > Duffy, Thomas Meagher, Richard O'Gorman, Terrence McManus, Michael Ireland. > > Before sentence was passed, the condemned men were asked if they had any > final words for the court. Thomas Meagher, speaking for all of them said, > "My lord, this is our first offense but it won't be our last. If you will be > easy with us this once, we promise, on our word as gentlemen, to try to do > better next time. And next time - sure we won't be fools enough to get > caught." > > Immediately the indignant judge sentenced them all "to be hanged by the > neck until dead and drawn and quartered" ----the normal "civilized" > punishment for anyone offending the English crown at that time. Passionate > protests from all over the world forced the sentence to be commuted to > transportation for life to the wretched penal colonies of Australia. > > Fortunately, the hand of the Almighty often over-rules the plans of even > the British Government. > > In 1874, word reached England that Charles Duffy who had been elected Prime > Minister of Australia was the same Charles Duffy who had been transported 25 > years before. On the Queen's demand, the records of the rest of the > transported men were revealed and this is what was uncovered: > > JOHN MITCHELL, prominent New York politician. This was the father of John > Purroy Mitchell, Mayor of New York, at the outbreak of World War I. > > MORRIS LYENE, Attorney General of Australia, to which office > MICHAEL IRELAND succeeded him > > PATRICK DONAHUE, Brigadier General, United States Army > > THOMAS D'ARCY McGEE, Member of Parliament, Montreal, Minister of > Agriculture and President of Council Dominion of Canada > > THOMAS FRANCIS MEAGHER, Governor of Montana > > TERRENCE MCMANUS, Brigadier General, United States Army > > RICHARD O'GORMAN, Governor General of Newfoundland > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video From: Robert Feldtman oh yeah - I always plan early morning departures in Colorado with my 500B! if it is hot in the afternoon, we just spend another night in the cool mountain country :) bobf On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Tylor Hall wrote : > Moe,I have been told that the 680E will burn 30-32 GPH at 170-190 kts. I > do not need to get there is blinding speed. > I also need to go high as you know. When I had Dan Farmers 500B for a > year, she burned 30 GPH. > Taking off of Pagosa Springs at 7600' in the summer was a concern with a > single engine ceiling of 8500'. > It gets hot here in New Mexico. > > Tylor Hall > > On Jan 31, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Moe-rosspistons wrote: > > *Tyler,* > ** > *I suspect that the operating cost of a 680F (not pressurized) and a 680E > should be close to the same, with the exception of the additional fuel co sts > for the "F". The "F" (flat nacelle) should be faster than the "E" (batht ub > nacelle) but I have no idea if it will come close to offsetting the > additional fuel burn (square the horsepower to increase the speed?).* > ** > *Regards,* > ** > *Moe* > *N680RR* > *Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award* > > *From:* Tylor Hall > *Sent:* Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:00 AM > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video > > After I posted that, I thought I should have done a fact check on it. The re > is a lot of stuff going around that is not true and we need to check it o ut. > > Back to helping Moe convert his 680FP and Tom's 680FLP to low pressure > hydraulics. > > In light of the cost of operation, I am back to thinking about a 680E. > Moe and I had lunch the other day. Good to see him again. > > Tylor Hall > > On Jan 31, 2009, at 2:20 AM, Russell Legg wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > Caution...this email is a fake. The gun control laws that are mentioned i n > fact were introduced in 1997 (11 years ago) after a massacre that killed 17 > people. > > I cannot vouch for the figures quoted but would confirm that this was an > absolutely 'over the top' reaction to a very unfortunate incident. The co st > to tax payers is probably close, as is the estimate of number of weapons > destroyed. > > The incident was committed by a lone screwball who targeted a couple of > tourist buses and caf=E9 in Tasmania. > > And so the more important question relates to how we can rub out screwbal ls > in our society before they take their 5 seconds of limelight. > > Cheers from Oz > > Russell > > > On 31/1/09 3:46 AM, "Moe-rosspistons" wrote : > > *Tyler, > * > *Thanks for posting this. I had planed to, but was having a hard time > finding it in my computer. Enjoyed having lunch with you. > * > *Regards, > * > *Moe > * > *From:* Tylor Hall > *Sent:* Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 AM > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video > > I just received this from a friend. > Can this be confirmed by our friends down under? > Tylor Hall > > > *Australian Gun Law Update > **Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts* > > From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia > > Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the now available data fro m > Down Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since gun owners in > Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firear ms > to be destroyed by our own government, a program cos ting Australia > taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. > > The first year results are now available: > > Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent; > > Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent; > > Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent); > > In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 > percent as compared with the last one year period when private ownership of > a firearm was legal. > > (NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their personal firearms, the > criminal element did not and thus criminals in Australia still possess > their guns.) > > While data for the 25 years preceding the confiscation of privately owne d > guns showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has > changed drastically upward in the past 12 months as criminals now are > assured their victims will be unarmed. > > There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the > elderly, while the resident is at home. > > Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has > decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in > 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.' > > This story of well intentioned government intervention in the rights of > lawful individuals to own and possess firearms won't be seen in the > mainstream US media or on the American evening news. If President Obama > advocates a similar confiscation in the US, there will not be any report ing > any of this to you. > > But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of > honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affec t > only the law-abiding citizens. > > Americans may want to take note before it's too late! > * > FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST. > > DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY. > > BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO SEE WHAT > HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US ! * > > On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote: > > > Amen! > > > Don > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Jim Addington > > *To:* commander-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:16 PM > > *Subject:* RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video > > > That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this country ar e > going to do there dead level best to do here. > > I got an email that had a clip that said "A fear of weapons is a sign of > retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud. > > I have not seen gun control work in any city or country. > > Jim Addington > > > ------------------------------ > > > *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [ > mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] > *On Behalf Of *nico css > *Sent:* Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM > *To:* 'art la combe' > *Subject:* Commander-List: FW: Amazing video > > > BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!! > > > *The British called - They want their rights back!* > *http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE* > > > > ------------------------------ > > > This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared > by *MailMarshal > * > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? 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Tom. C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Tylor Hall To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:00 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video After I posted that, I thought I should have done a fact check on it. There is a lot of stuff going around that is not true and we need to check it out. Back to helping Moe convert his 680FP and Tom's 680FLP to low pressure hydraulics. In light of the cost of operation, I am back to thinking about a 680E. Moe and I had lunch the other day. Good to see him again. Tylor Hall On Jan 31, 2009, at 2:20 AM, Russell Legg wrote: Hi Folks, Caution...this email is a fake. The gun control laws that are mentioned in fact were introduced in 1997 (11 years ago) after a massacre that killed 17 people. I cannot vouch for the figures quoted but would confirm that this was an absolutely =91over the top=92 reaction to a very unfortunate incident. The cost to tax payers is probably close, as is the estimate of number of weapons destroyed. The incident was committed by a lone screwball who targeted a couple of tourist buses and caf=E9 in Tasmania. And so the more important question relates to how we can rub out screwballs in our society before they take their 5 seconds of limelight. Cheers from Oz Russell On 31/1/09 3:46 AM, "Moe-rosspistons" wrote: Tyler, Thanks for posting this. I had planed to, but was having a hard time finding it in my computer. Enjoyed having lunch with you. Regards, Moe From: Tylor Hall Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video I just received this from a friend. Can this be confirmed by our friends down under? Tylor Hall Australian Gun Law Update Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the now available data from Down Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program cos ting Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now available: Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent; Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent); In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent as compared with the last one year period when private ownership of a firearm was legal. (NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their personal firearms, the criminal element did not and thus criminals in Australia still possess their guns.) While data for the 25 years preceding the confiscation of privately owned guns showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months as criminals now are assured their victims will be unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.' This story of well intentioned government intervention in the rights of lawful individuals to own and possess firearms won't be seen in the mainstream US media or on the American evening news. If President Obama advocates a similar confiscation in the US, there will not be any reporting any of this to you. But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens. Americans may want to take note before it's too late! FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST. DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY. BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US ! On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote: Amen! Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Addington To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:16 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this country are going to do there dead level best to do here. I got an email that had a clip that said =93A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.=94 Sigmund Freud. I have not seen gun control work in any city or country. Jim Addington ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM To: 'art la combe' Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!! The British called - They want their rights back! http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get Hollywood news, celebrity photos and more with the PopEater Toolbar . - The Commander-List Email Forum - <>--> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://forums.matronics.com style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ist Email Forum - r-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - matronics.com ;- List Contribution Web Site - ; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:34 AM PST US From: "Moe-rosspistons" Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video Tom, Tomorrow I will start experimenting with the "O" rings to find out if red really does harm the ethylene propylene type which are used with Skydrol. Hope I can find my durometer, haven't used it since my top fuel dragster days..... Regards, Moe From: Tom Fisher Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 6:13 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video I have low pressure (1,000psi) hydraulics now...I just want to get rid of that #%&*##$* Skydrol. Tom. C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Tylor Hall To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:00 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video After I posted that, I thought I should have done a fact check on it. There is a lot of stuff going around that is not true and we need to check it out. Back to helping Moe convert his 680FP and Tom's 680FLP to low pressure hydraulics. In light of the cost of operation, I am back to thinking about a 680E. Moe and I had lunch the other day. Good to see him again. Tylor Hall On Jan 31, 2009, at 2:20 AM, Russell Legg wrote: Hi Folks, Caution...this email is a fake. The gun control laws that are mentioned in fact were introduced in 1997 (11 years ago) after a massacre that killed 17 people. I cannot vouch for the figures quoted but would confirm that this was an absolutely =91over the top=92 reaction to a very unfortunate incident. The cost to tax payers is probably close, as is the estimate of number of weapons destroyed. The incident was committed by a lone screwball who targeted a couple of tourist buses and caf=E9 in Tasmania. And so the more important question relates to how we can rub out screwballs in our society before they take their 5 seconds of limelight. Cheers from Oz Russell On 31/1/09 3:46 AM, "Moe-rosspistons" wrote: Tyler, Thanks for posting this. I had planed to, but was having a hard time finding it in my computer. Enjoyed having lunch with you. Regards, Moe From: Tylor Hall Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video I just received this from a friend. Can this be confirmed by our friends down under? Tylor Hall Australian Gun Law Update Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the now available data from Down Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program cos ting Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now available: Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent; Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent); In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent as compared with the last one year period when private ownership of a firearm was legal. (NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their personal firearms, the criminal element did not and thus criminals in Australia still possess their guns.) While data for the 25 years preceding the confiscation of privately owned guns showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months as criminals now are assured their victims will be unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.' This story of well intentioned government intervention in the rights of lawful individuals to own and possess firearms won't be seen in the mainstream US media or on the American evening news. If President Obama advocates a similar confiscation in the US, there will not be any reporting any of this to you. But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens. Americans may want to take note before it's too late! FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST. DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY. BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US ! On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote: Amen! Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Addington To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:16 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this country are going to do there dead level best to do here. I got an email that had a clip that said =93A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.=94 Sigmund Freud. I have not seen gun control work in any city or country. Jim Addington ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM To: 'art la combe' Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!! The British called - They want their rights back! http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? 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MrRPM conversion. it has been 5 years and no real problems=2C bad o ring every so often. talk to gary kromer about the change. gmc From: moe-rosspistons@hotmail.comTo: commander-list@matronics.comSubject: C ommander-List: Depressurizing a CommanderDate: Fri=2C 30 Jan 2009 11:04:18 -0800 Commander Drivers: Has anyone been involved in removing all of the pressurizing equipment in a commander (the one I have is a 680Fp)=2C changing the New York Air Brake C ompany hydraulic pumps back to normal pumps=2C and converting the Skydrol t o red fluid? One of the major expenses of maintaining the aircraft is the Pressurization system which requires the big pumps and Skydrol.=2C Since my flying missions have changed since retirement=2C certified known icing and pressurization are no longer absolute requirements. Based on a past histo ry of about the last 900 hours=2C removal of these two systems would cut ma intenance cost more than 50%. Also=2C the de-icing equipment weighs 70.2 p ounds=2C and the pressurization optional (the 680Fp was not certified as a pressurized airplane) equipment weighs 89.5 pounds. After removing this eq uipment I could then install a cool air (Freon) air conditioner=2C which wo uld really be nice here in the New Mexico desert. Any and all comments will be greatly appreciated. Regards=2C Moe Mills N680RR 680Fp From: Jim Addington Sent: Thursday=2C January 29=2C 2009 8:16 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this country are g oing to do there dead level best to do here. I got an email that had a clip that said =93A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.=94 Sigmund Freud. I have not seen gun control work in any city or country. Jim Addington From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico cssSent: Thursday=2C January 29 =2C 2009 7:59 PMTo: 'art la combe'Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing vide o BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!! The British called - They want their rights back! http://au.youtube.co m: 80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal = Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? Get Hollywood news=2C celebrity photos and more with the PopEater Toolbar. - The Comm ander-List Email Forum -< span>--> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Comma nder-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - - List Contrib ution Web Site - -Matt Dralle=2C List Admin. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:12 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nine Young Irishmen Amen! ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 6:38 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Nine Young Irishmen And how much prominence has been killed through abortion, I wonder. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dongirod Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:18 PM To: Commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: Nine Young Irishmen Russell; I am sure you are probably familiar with the following story of the 'Nine Young Irishmen', it is not just about Australia, (as many were also sent to North America), but a large portion of the English speaking world. Speaks wonders of what we can do when we 'mature' and redirect our energies. And I believe this story is true. I checked with Snopes and they have nothing on it. Don In the 1848 revolt by the Young Irishmen nine men were captured, tried, and convicted of treason against Her Majesty, the Queen, and were sentenced to death: John Mitchell, Morris Lyene, Pat Donahue, Thomas McGee, Charles Duffy, Thomas Meagher, Richard O'Gorman, Terrence McManus, Michael Ireland. Before sentence was passed, the condemned men were asked if they had any final words for the court. Thomas Meagher, speaking for all of them said, "My lord, this is our first offense but it won't be our last. If you will be easy with us this once, we promise, on our word as gentlemen, to try to do better next time. And next time - sure we won't be fools enough to get caught." Immediately the indignant judge sentenced them all "to be hanged by the neck until dead and drawn and quartered" ----the normal "civilized" punishment for anyone offending the English crown at that time. Passionate protests from all over the world forced the sentence to be commuted to transportation for life to the wretched penal colonies of Australia. Fortunately, the hand of the Almighty often over-rules the plans of even the British Government. In 1874, word reached England that Charles Duffy who had been elected Prime Minister of Australia was the same Charles Duffy who had been transported 25 years before. On the Queen's demand, the records of the rest of the transported men were revealed and this is what was uncovered: JOHN MITCHELL, prominent New York politician. This was the father of John Purroy Mitchell, Mayor of New York, at the outbreak of World War I. MORRIS LYENE, Attorney General of Australia, to which office MICHAEL IRELAND succeeded him PATRICK DONAHUE, Brigadier General, United States Army THOMAS D'ARCY McGEE, Member of Parliament, Montreal, Minister of Agriculture and President of Council Dominion of Canada THOMAS FRANCIS MEAGHER, Governor of Montana TERRENCE MCMANUS, Brigadier General, United States Army RICHARD O'GORMAN, Governor General of Newfoundland href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:18 AM PST US From: "dongirod" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nine Young Irishmen Richard; A good politician would probably claim, it was the wonderful influence of Australia that turned these nine young men around to their full potential and there is probably some truth in that! Did enjoy the article, thanks. It pretty well coincides with my beliefs. Guns don't kill people, people do. Believe I learned that in Bible school, "Cain slew Able". Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard & Jacqui Thompson" Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 2:15 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Nine Young Irishmen > > > This one is also good. > http://www.ssaa.org.au/research/2008/2008-06_evaluating-britains-handgun-ban > .html > > We have gone so far in Australia to have our own political party. At the > moment we have two seats in parliament in New South Wales. The Greenies > hate > us. > Cheers > Richard > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John > Vormbaum > Sent: Sunday, 1 February 2009 3:18 PM > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nine Young Irishmen > > Oh boy, here we go again... > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: "nico css" > > Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:38:56 > To: > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Nine Young Irishmen > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:27:35 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nine Young Irishmen I'd be sceptical on this, but only because the term "drawn and quartered". That refers to what is done to a cow (or other animal) after slaughter: hung, drawn (allow the blood to flow from it), and quartered - cut into quarters for sale and consumption. The term "hanged" is right, though - a person his hanged, not hung. But, it could be true, too; the writer of the story might have taken poetic licence and embellished the story. God bless, Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: dongirod To: Commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Commander-List: Nine Young Irishmen Russell; I am sure you are probably familiar with the following story of the 'Nine Young Irishmen', it is not just about Australia, (as many were also sent to North America), but a large portion of the English speaking world. Speaks wonders of what we can do when we 'mature' and redirect our energies. And I believe this story is true. I checked with Snopes and they have nothing on it. Don In the 1848 revolt by the Young Irishmen nine men were captured, tried, and convicted of treason against Her Majesty, the Queen, and were sentenced to death: John Mitchell, Morris Lyene, Pat Donahue, Thomas McGee, Charles Duffy, Thomas Meagher, Richard O'Gorman, Terrence McManus, Michael Ireland. Before sentence was passed, the condemned men were asked if they had any final words for the court. Thomas Meagher, speaking for all of them said, "My lord, this is our first offense but it won't be our last. If you will be easy with us this once, we promise, on our word as gentlemen, to try to do better next time. And next time - sure we won't be fools enough to get caught." Immediately the indignant judge sentenced them all "to be hanged by the neck until dead and drawn and quartered" ----the normal "civilized" punishment for anyone offending the English crown at that time. Passionate protests from all over the world forced the sentence to be commuted to transportation for life to the wretched penal colonies of Australia. Fortunately, the hand of the Almighty often over-rules the plans of even the British Government. In 1874, word reached England that Charles Duffy who had been elected Prime Minister of Australia was the same Charles Duffy who had been transported 25 years before. On the Queen's demand, the records of the rest of the transported men were revealed and this is what was uncovered: JOHN MITCHELL, prominent New York politician. This was the father of John Purroy Mitchell, Mayor of New York, at the outbreak of World War I. MORRIS LYENE, Attorney General of Australia, to which office MICHAEL IRELAND succeeded him PATRICK DONAHUE, Brigadier General, United States Army THOMAS D'ARCY McGEE, Member of Parliament, Montreal, Minister of Agriculture and President of Council Dominion of Canada THOMAS FRANCIS MEAGHER, Governor of Montana TERRENCE MCMANUS, Brigadier General, United States Army RICHARD O'GORMAN, Governor General of Newfoundland ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:54:48 PM PST US From: "Richard & Jacqui Thompson" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Nine Young Irishmen Andrew, This was a common way of terminating ones enemies. The process I believe was to hang the individual in more of a throttling way ( as opposed to neck snapping) until death was imminent. Then the individual would be attached to a couple of horses and literally pulled apart. The different parts were then sent to areas were the individual had supporters as a warning. It was more a middle ages type thing. William Wallace was one of the recipients of this treatment (Mel Gibson - Braveheart) Cheers Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of andrew.bridget@telus.net Sent: Monday, 2 February 2009 7:24 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nine Young Irishmen I'd be sceptical on this, but only because the term "drawn and quartered". That refers to what is done to a cow (or other animal) after slaughter: hung, drawn (allow the blood to flow from it), and quartered - cut into quarters for sale and consumption. The term "hanged" is right, though - a person his hanged, not hung. But, it could be true, too; the writer of the story might have taken poetic licence and embellished the story. God bless, Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: dongirod Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Commander-List: Nine Young Irishmen Russell; I am sure you are probably familiar with the following story of the 'Nine Young Irishmen', it is not just about Australia, (as many were also sent to North America), but a large portion of the English speaking world. Speaks wonders of what we can do when we 'mature' and redirect our energies. And I believe this story is true. I checked with Snopes and they have nothing on it. Don In the 1848 revolt by the Young Irishmen nine men were captured, tried, and convicted of treason against Her Majesty, the Queen, and were sentenced to death: John Mitchell, Morris Lyene, Pat Donahue, Thomas McGee, Charles Duffy, Thomas Meagher, Richard O'Gorman, Terrence McManus, Michael Ireland. Before sentence was passed, the condemned men were asked if they had any final words for the court. Thomas Meagher, speaking for all of them said, "My lord, this is our first offense but it won't be our last. If you will be easy with us this once, we promise, on our word as gentlemen, to try to do better next time. And next time - sure we won't be fools enough to get caught." Immediately the indignant judge sentenced them all "to be hanged by the neck until dead and drawn and quartered" ----the normal "civilized" punishment for anyone offending the English crown at that time. Passionate protests from all over the world forced the sentence to be commuted to transportation for life to the wretched penal colonies of Australia. Fortunately, the hand of the Almighty often over-rules the plans of even the British Government. In 1874, word reached England that Charles Duffy who had been elected Prime Minister of Australia was the same Charles Duffy who had been transported 25 years before. On the Queen's demand, the records of the rest of the transported men were revealed and this is what was uncovered: JOHN MITCHELL, prominent New York politician. This was the father of John Purroy Mitchell, Mayor of New York, at the outbreak of World War I. MORRIS LYENE, Attorney General of Australia, to which office MICHAEL IRELAND succeeded him PATRICK DONAHUE, Brigadier General, United States Army THOMAS D'ARCY McGEE, Member of Parliament, Montreal, Minister of Agriculture and President of Council Dominion of Canada THOMAS FRANCIS MEAGHER, Governor of Montana TERRENCE MCMANUS, Brigadier General, United States Army RICHARD O'GORMAN, Governor General of Newfoundland href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matron ic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:41 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nine Young Irishmen Richard, You could be right I am very aware from personal experience that that sort of inhumanity occurs in warfare; just wasn't aware that such would have been condoned in a so called "Court of Law". I should have known better: man's inhumanity to man is as extreme today as it ever was, so why should it not be then? In December 1979 I was a cop in the Rhodesian BSAP and was sent to investigate a sudden death where a four-year-old girl had been murdered. Mugabe's "Freedom Fighters" - which is what the world called them; we called them terrorists - demanded food from an old woman in a village; she gave them what they wanted, and after they finished it they told her that it was not to their liking. They took her grandchild and said they knew the child's father was in the police (he was), and so they raped her before inspanning four donkeys, and ripping the still living child limb from limb. And what did the world do? In 1982 Mugabe was made Prime Minister of Zimbabwe, and from about 1984 to 1986 he sent his North Korean trained Fifth Brigade into Matabeleland South - a province in Zimbabwe - where they massacred some 20,000 people. BBC reported it, and what did the world do? Look what's happening in Zimbabwe today. And what's the world doing? I apologise for the rant. I hadn't connected "drawn and quartered" to that sort of thing until I read your e-mail, Richard - and then all the dreadful memories came flooding back. God bless, Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard & Jacqui Thompson To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 12:52 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Nine Young Irishmen Andrew, This was a common way of terminating ones enemies. The process I believe was to hang the individual in more of a throttling way ( as opposed to neck snapping) until death was imminent. Then the individual would be attached to a couple of horses and literally pulled apart. The different parts were then sent to areas were the individual had supporters as a warning. It was more a middle ages type thing. William Wallace was one of the recipients of this treatment (Mel Gibson - Braveheart) Cheers Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of andrew.bridget@telus.net Sent: Monday, 2 February 2009 7:24 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nine Young Irishmen I'd be sceptical on this, but only because the term "drawn and quartered". That refers to what is done to a cow (or other animal) after slaughter: hung, drawn (allow the blood to flow from it), and quartered - cut into quarters for sale and consumption. The term "hanged" is right, though - a person his hanged, not hung. But, it could be true, too; the writer of the story might have taken poetic licence and embellished the story. God bless, Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: dongirod To: Commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Commander-List: Nine Young Irishmen Russell; I am sure you are probably familiar with the following story of the 'Nine Young Irishmen', it is not just about Australia, (as many were also sent to North America), but a large portion of the English speaking world. Speaks wonders of what we can do when we 'mature' and redirect our energies. And I believe this story is true. I checked with Snopes and they have nothing on it. Don In the 1848 revolt by the Young Irishmen nine men were captured, tried, and convicted of treason against Her Majesty, the Queen, and were sentenced to death: John Mitchell, Morris Lyene, Pat Donahue, Thomas McGee, Charles Duffy, Thomas Meagher, Richard O'Gorman, Terrence McManus, Michael Ireland. Before sentence was passed, the condemned men were asked if they had any final words for the court. Thomas Meagher, speaking for all of them said, "My lord, this is our first offense but it won't be our last. If you will be easy with us this once, we promise, on our word as gentlemen, to try to do better next time. And next time - sure we won't be fools enough to get caught." Immediately the indignant judge sentenced them all "to be hanged by the neck until dead and drawn and quartered" ----the normal "civilized" punishment for anyone offending the English crown at that time. Passionate protests from all over the world forced the sentence to be commuted to transportation for life to the wretched penal colonies of Australia. Fortunately, the hand of the Almighty often over-rules the plans of even the British Government. In 1874, word reached England that Charles Duffy who had been elected Prime Minister of Australia was the same Charles Duffy who had been transported 25 years before. On the Queen's demand, the records of the rest of the transported men were revealed and this is what was uncovered: JOHN MITCHELL, prominent New York politician. This was the father of John Purroy Mitchell, Mayor of New York, at the outbreak of World War I. MORRIS LYENE, Attorney General of Australia, to which office MICHAEL IRELAND succeeded him PATRICK DONAHUE, Brigadier General, United States Army THOMAS D'ARCY McGEE, Member of Parliament, Montreal, Minister of Agriculture and President of Council Dominion of Canada THOMAS FRANCIS MEAGHER, Governor of Montana TERRENCE MCMANUS, Brigadier General, United States Army RICHARD O'GORMAN, Governor General of Newfoundland href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> http://www.matronics.com/c http://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:46 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Nine Young Irishmen Be assured, Zimbabwe is only getting front-burner attention because of its economic woes and not its humanitarian crimes. In many so-called respected countries, this sort of infanticide and genocide is rife, known to the world, and nothing is done about it. It only takes two generations to forget the atrocities of a despotic past. Even the holocaust is fading into the past and it enjoyed a lot of attention, as it should have. Only a small number of people is still alive that had family and friends disappearing in WWII, and the number is decreasing every day. So, most people alive today have no real connection to such evil; unless one has lived in countries that still live in the dark ages. The keen eye can spot the same barbaric brutality in our society today, masked by political correctness and a sense of entitlement. Make no mistake, they will tore you and your children limb from limb if you get in their way. We, who rant and rave about these abuses, are called nuts and fanatics, but history will prove us to be either Paul Reveres or Chicken Littles. Sadly, by the time history judges us, it would probably be too late. I know mud. What's coming aint no mud unless we pursue our beliefs and initiatives. Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of andrew.bridget@telus.net Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 6:34 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nine Young Irishmen Richard, You could be right I am very aware from personal experience that that sort of inhumanity occurs in warfare; just wasn't aware that such would have been condoned in a so called "Court of Law". I should have known better: man's inhumanity to man is as extreme today as it ever was, so why should it not be then? In December 1979 I was a cop in the Rhodesian BSAP and was sent to investigate a sudden death where a four-year-old girl had been murdered. Mugabe's "Freedom Fighters" - which is what the world called them; we called them terrorists - demanded food from an old woman in a village; she gave them what they wanted, and after they finished it they told her that it was not to their liking. They took her grandchild and said they knew the child's father was in the police (he was), and so they raped her before inspanning four donkeys, and ripping the still living child limb from limb. And what did the world do? In 1982 Mugabe was made Prime Minister of Zimbabwe, and from about 1984 to 1986 he sent his North Korean trained Fifth Brigade into Matabeleland South - a province in Zimbabwe - where they massacred some 20,000 people. BBC reported it, and what did the world do? Look what's happening in Zimbabwe today. And what's the world doing? I apologise for the rant. I hadn't connected "drawn and quartered" to that sort of thing until I read your e-mail, Richard - and then all the dreadful memories came flooding back. God bless, Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard & Jacqui Thompson Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 12:52 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Nine Young Irishmen Andrew, This was a common way of terminating ones enemies. The process I believe was to hang the individual in more of a throttling way ( as opposed to neck snapping) until death was imminent. Then the individual would be attached to a couple of horses and literally pulled apart. The different parts were then sent to areas were the individual had supporters as a warning. It was more a middle ages type thing. William Wallace was one of the recipients of this treatment (Mel Gibson - Braveheart) Cheers Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of andrew.bridget@telus.net Sent: Monday, 2 February 2009 7:24 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Nine Young Irishmen I'd be sceptical on this, but only because the term "drawn and quartered". That refers to what is done to a cow (or other animal) after slaughter: hung, drawn (allow the blood to flow from it), and quartered - cut into quarters for sale and consumption. The term "hanged" is right, though - a person his hanged, not hung. But, it could be true, too; the writer of the story might have taken poetic licence and embellished the story. God bless, Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: dongirod Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Commander-List: Nine Young Irishmen Russell; I am sure you are probably familiar with the following story of the 'Nine Young Irishmen', it is not just about Australia, (as many were also sent to North America), but a large portion of the English speaking world. Speaks wonders of what we can do when we 'mature' and redirect our energies. And I believe this story is true. I checked with Snopes and they have nothing on it. Don In the 1848 revolt by the Young Irishmen nine men were captured, tried, and convicted of treason against Her Majesty, the Queen, and were sentenced to death: John Mitchell, Morris Lyene, Pat Donahue, Thomas McGee, Charles Duffy, Thomas Meagher, Richard O'Gorman, Terrence McManus, Michael Ireland. Before sentence was passed, the condemned men were asked if they had any final words for the court. Thomas Meagher, speaking for all of them said, "My lord, this is our first offense but it won't be our last. If you will be easy with us this once, we promise, on our word as gentlemen, to try to do better next time. And next time - sure we won't be fools enough to get caught." Immediately the indignant judge sentenced them all "to be hanged by the neck until dead and drawn and quartered" ----the normal "civilized" punishment for anyone offending the English crown at that time. Passionate protests from all over the world forced the sentence to be commuted to transportation for life to the wretched penal colonies of Australia. Fortunately, the hand of the Almighty often over-rules the plans of even the British Government. In 1874, word reached England that Charles Duffy who had been elected Prime Minister of Australia was the same Charles Duffy who had been transported 25 years before. On the Queen's demand, the records of the rest of the transported men were revealed and this is what was uncovered: JOHN MITCHELL, prominent New York politician. This was the father of John Purroy Mitchell, Mayor of New York, at the outbreak of World War I. 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Failure to abide by these rules could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists. 1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post 30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these folks and the rest of us, for that matter. 2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000 pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less. Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it! http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx Look for the link "Image Resizer" 3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother. And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even questionable. !! 4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and BE COURTEOUS! Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server for long time viewing and availability. ******************* *** Digest Mode *** ******************* Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started. This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:" and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting of a line of underscores. Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list. To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form described above, and just select the Digest version of the List. http://www.matronics.com/subscribe Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable. Now some caveats: * Messages sent to "commander-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the digest List. * If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of the day. * If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please *do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*. **************************** *** List Digest Browser *** **************************** An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found at the following location: http://www.matronics.com/digest ***************************************** *** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag *** ***************************************** At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the message: do not archive Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List email distribution as normal. ********************************************** ***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes ***** ********************************************** Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving messages from the Commander-List, go to the following Web page, and look for your email address and a possible reason for your removal. The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the Lists you will find record of it at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice. ******************************* *** List Member Information *** ******************************* If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and paper mail address in the following format: smith@somehost.com Joe Smith 123 Airport Lane Tower, CA 91234-1234 098-765-1234 w 123-456-7890 h Please forward this information to the following email address: requests@matronics.com I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT be used for any other commercial purpose. **************************************** *** Realtime Web Email List Browsing *** **************************************** Recent messages posted to the Commander-List are also made available on the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject, Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon). You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List Browser Interface in view-mode. http://www.matronics.com/browselist/commander-list ******************************************* *** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface *** ******************************************* A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Commander-List content. content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to the web Forums. You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login. If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the Email Distribution of the List, however. The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL: http://forums.matronics.com ********************************* *** Matronics Email List Wiki *** ********************************* In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at: http://wiki.matronics.com The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately. While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any images and email it to: wiki-support@matronics.com One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct a Wiki page for you. Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that post and convert it into a Wiki page. ********************* *** List Archives *** ********************* A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Commander-List is available on line. The archive file information is available via the Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below: * Commander-List.FAQ - Latest version of the Commander-List Frequently Asked Question page (this document). * Commander-Archive.digest.complete - Complete file with most of the email header info removed and page breaks inserted between messages. * Commander-Archive.digest.vol-?? - Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that can more easily handled. * Commander-Archive.digest.complete.zip - Same as the Commander-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods. * Commander-Archive.digest.complete.Z - Same as the Commander-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods. Download Via FTP ---------------- The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.) ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives Download Via Web ---------------- The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found toward the bottom of the following web page: http://www.matronics.com/archives ****************************************** *** Complete List Web Archive Browsing *** ****************************************** All messages posted to the Commander-List are also available using the Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed. http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Commander ***************************************** **** High-Speed Archive Search Engine *** ***************************************** You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently available List archives. http://www.matronics.com/search **************************** *** File and Photo Share *** **************************** With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures and other data with members of the List without having to forward a copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email them to: pictures@matronics.com !! ==> Please including the following information with each submission: 1) Email Lists that they are related to. 2) Your Full Name. 3) Your Email Address. 4) One line Subject description. 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic. 6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to process them every few days. Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new Share is available and what the direct URL to it is. For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main Index Page: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare ************************** *** List Archive CDROM *** ************************** A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make great gifts! http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM ********************************** *** List Support Contributions *** ********************************** The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members. You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month, I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they are comfortable. I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated by companies that are themselves List members. Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the variety of services found here. Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude. Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in. The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and sending a personal check. If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to support its continued operation? http://www.matronics.com/contributions Thank you! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Commander-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Commander-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Commander-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Commander-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Commander-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:47 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Commander-List: Official Commander-List Usage Guidelines Dear Listers, Please read over the Commander-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Commander-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Commander-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Commander-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Commander-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Commander-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Commander-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Commander-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. 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