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Sat 02/14/09


Total Messages Posted: 8



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     1. 06:57 AM - Re: FW: Amazing video (Moe-rosspistons)
     2. 03:03 PM - Re: FW: Amazing video (Tom Fisher)
     3. 08:03 PM - Re: FW: Amazing video (yourtcfg@aol.com)
     4. 08:05 PM - Re: FW: Amazing video (yourtcfg@aol.com)
     5. 09:03 PM - 1970 500S for sale ()
     6. 09:19 PM - Crash in Buffalo (nico css)
     7. 10:19 PM - Re: Crash in Buffalo (dongirod)
     8. 11:06 PM - Re: Crash in Buffalo (Robert S. Randazzo)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:57:56 AM PST US
    From: "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: FW: Amazing video
    JB What is the TBO on your engines? Also, ethylene propylene "O" rings that are made to be used with Skydrol, most definitely "blow up" when used with 5606 "red" fluid. I placed one in a small pill container filled with red and left it for four days. The ethylene propylene "O" ring increased in diameter to the size of the pill container. No durometer test was made, however, what difference does it make when the "O" ring is grossly oversize. So now we know that "O" rings can't be switched either way. Moe Mills Proud Holder of the Golden Pedal Award From: yourtcfg@aol.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:57 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video 175kts and 35-38 gph is the reall sory (I have flow triple 2 615hours) jb I have been told that the 680E will burn 30-32 GPH at 170-190 kts. -----Original Message----- From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net> Sent: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 6:21 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video Moe, I have been told that the 680E will burn 30-32 GPH at 170-190 kts. I do not need to get there is blinding speed. I also need to go high as you know. When I had Dan Farmers 500B for a year, she burned 30 GPH. Taking off of Pagosa Springs at 7600' in the summer was a concern with a single engine ceiling of 8500'. It gets hot here in New Mexico. Tylor Hall On Jan 31, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Moe-rosspistons wrote: Tyler, I suspect that the operating cost of a 680F (not pressurized) and a 680E should be close to the same, with the exception of the additional fuel costs for the "F". The "F" (flat nacelle) should be faster than the "E" (bathtub nacelle) but I have no idea if it will come close to offsetting the additional fuel burn (square the horsepower to increase the speed?). Regards, Moe N680RR Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Tylor Hall Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:00 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video After I posted that, I thought I should have done a fact check on it. There is a lot of stuff going around that is not true and we need to check it out. =0 A Back to helping Moe convert his 680FP and Tom's 680FLP to low pressure hydraulics. In light of the cost of operation, I am back to thinking about a 680E. Moe and I had lunch the other day. Good to see him again. Tylor Hall On Jan 31, 2009, at 2:20 AM, Russell Legg wrote: Hi Folks, Caution...this email is a fake. The gun control laws that are mentioned in fact were introduced in 1997 (11 years ago) after a massacre that killed 17 people. I cannot vouch for the figures quoted but would confirm that this was an absolutely =98over the top=99 reaction to a very unfortunate incident. The cost to tax payers is probably close, as is the estimate of number of weapons destroyed. The incident was committed by a lone screwball who targeted a couple of tourist buses and caf=C3=A9 in Tasmania. And so the more important question relates to how we can rub out screwballs in our society before they take their 5 seconds of limelight. Cheers from Oz Russell On 31/1/09 3:46 AM, "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com> wrote: Tyler, Thanks for posting this. I had planed to, but was having a hard time finding it in my computer. Enjoyed having lunch with you. Regards, Moe From: Tylor Hall <mailto:tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video I just received this from a friend. Can this be confirmed by our friends down under? Tylor Hall Australian Gun Law Update Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the now available data from Down Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our=2 0own government, a program cos ting Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now available: Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent; Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent); In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent as compared with the last one year period when private ownership of a firearm was legal. (NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their personal firearms, the criminal element did not and thus criminals in Australia still possess their guns.) While data for the 25 years preceding the confiscation of privately owned guns showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months as criminals now are assured their victims will be unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.' This story of well intentioned government intervention in the rights of lawful individuals to own and possess firearms won't be seen in the mainstream US media or on the American evening news. If President Obama advocates a similar confiscation in the US, there will not be any reporting any of this to you. But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens. Americans may want to take note before it's too late! FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST. DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY. BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US ! On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote: Amen! Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Addington <mailto:jtaddington@verizon.net> To: commande r-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:16 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this country are going to do there dead level best to do here. I got an email that had a clip that said =9CA fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.=9D Sigmund Freud. I have not seen gun control work in any city or country. Jim Addington ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM To: 'art la combe' Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!! The British called - They want their rights back! http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE <http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? 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    Time: 03:03:41 PM PST US
    From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
    Subject: Re: FW: Amazing video
    I have heard that there is another hydraulic fluid being developed to replace Skydrol which does not affect the Skydrol "O" rings, not sure what stage it is at though. Tom C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Moe-rosspistons To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:56 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video JB What is the TBO on your engines? Also, ethylene propylene "O" rings that are made to be used with Skydrol, most definitely "blow up" when used with 5606 "red" fluid. I placed one in a small pill container filled with red and left it for four days. The ethylene propylene "O" ring increased in diameter to the size of the pill container. No durometer test was made, however, what difference does it make when the "O" ring is grossly oversize. So now we know that "O" rings can't be switched either way. Moe Mills Proud Holder of the Golden Pedal Award From: yourtcfg@aol.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:57 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video 175kts and 35-38 gph is the reall sory (I have flow triple 2 615hours) jb I have been told that the 680E will burn 30-32 GPH at 170-190 kts. -----Original Message----- From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net> To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 6:21 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video Moe, I have been told that the 680E will burn 30-32 GPH at 170-190 kts. I do not need to get there is blinding speed. I also need to go high as you know. When I had Dan Farmers 500B for a year, she burned 30 GPH. Taking off of Pagosa Springs at 7600' in the summer was a concern with a single engine ceiling of 8500'. It gets hot here in New Mexico. Tylor Hall On Jan 31, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Moe-rosspistons wrote: Tyler, I suspect that the operating cost of a 680F (not pressurized) and a 680E should be close to the same, with the exception of the additional fuel costs for the "F". The "F" (flat nacelle) should be faster than the "E" (bathtub nacelle) but I have no idea if it will come close to offsetting the additional fuel burn (square the horsepower to increase the speed?). Regards, Moe N680RR Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Tylor Hall Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:00 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video After I posted that, I thought I should have done a fact check on it. There is a lot of stuff going around that is not true and we need to check it out. =0 A Back to helping Moe convert his 680FP and Tom's 680FLP to low pressure hydraulics. In light of the cost of operation, I am back to thinking about a 680E. Moe and I had lunch the other day. Good to see him again. Tylor Hall On Jan 31, 2009, at 2:20 AM, Russell Legg wrote: Hi Folks, Caution...this email is a fake. The gun control laws that are mentioned in fact were introduced in 1997 (11 years ago) after a massacre that killed 17 people. I cannot vouch for the figures quoted but would confirm that this was an absolutely =98over the top=99 reaction to a very unfortunate incident. The cost to tax payers is probably close, as is the estimate of number of weapons destroyed. The incident was committed by a lone screwball who targeted a couple of tourist buses and caf=C3=A9 in Tasmania. And so the more important question relates to how we can rub out screwballs in our society before they take their 5 seconds of limelight. Cheers from Oz Russell On 31/1/09 3:46 AM, "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com> wrote: Tyler, Thanks for posting this. I had planed to, but was having a hard time finding it in my computer. Enjoyed having lunch with you. Regards, Moe From: Tylor Hall <mailto:tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video I just received this from a friend. Can this be confirmed by our friends down under? Tylor Hall Australian Gun Law Update Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the now available data from Down Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our=2 0own government, a program cos ting Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now available: Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent; Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent); In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent as compared with the last one year period when private ownership of a firearm was legal. (NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their personal firearms, the criminal element did not and thus criminals in Australia still possess their guns.) While data for the 25 years preceding the confiscation of privately owned guns showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months as criminals now are assured their victims will be unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.' This story of well intentioned government intervention in the rights of lawful individuals to own and possess firearms won't be seen in the mainstream US media or on the American evening news. If President Obama advocates a similar confiscation in the US, there will not be any reporting any of this to you. But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens. Americans may want to take note before it's too late! FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST. DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT MAJORITY. BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO DOESN'T WANT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US ! On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote: Amen! Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Addington <mailto:jtaddington@verizon.net> To: commande r-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:16 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video That is a good video and that is what the new leaders in this country are going to do there dead level best to do here. I got an email that had a clip that said =9CA fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.=9D Sigmund Freud. I have not seen gun control work in any city or country. Jim Addington -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:59 PM To: 'art la combe' Subject: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video BETTER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6 - VERY BLUNT CONCLUSION!!! The British called - They want their rights back! http://au.youtube.co m:80/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE <http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE> -------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal -------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Which stars will make the biggest headlines in 2009? 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    Time: 08:03:52 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: FW: Amazing video
    From: yourtcfg@aol.com
    1400, but they usually will go 2000.=C2- During the Viet Namm conflict the AF flew GSO-480s in T bones for electronic jamming.=C2- the military TBO was 2000.=C2-=C2-I have spoken with Scott at Columbia engines (they over hauled hundreds of those engines) and he confirmed the story was true and sa id=C2-nearly all of the engines made it to TBO.=C2- They were flown dail y of course and that probably helped.=C2- jb What is the TBO on your engines? -----Original Message----- From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com> Sent: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 6:56 am Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video JB =C2- What is the TBO on your engines? =C2- Also, ethylene propylene "O" rings that are made to be used with Skydrol, mo st definitely "blow up" when used with 5606 "red" fluid.=C2- I placed one in a small pill container filled with red and left it for four days.=C2- T he ethylene propylene "O" ring increased in diameter to the size of the pill container.=C2-No durometer test was made, however, what difference does i t make when the "O" ring is grossly oversize. =C2-So now we know that "O" rings can't be switched either way. =C2- Moe Mills Proud Holder of the Golden Pedal Award From: yourtcfg@aol.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:57 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video 175kts and 35-38 gph is the reall sory (I have flow triple 2 615hours)=C2 - jb I have been tol d that the 680E will burn 30-32 GPH at 170-190 kts. -----Original Message----- From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net> Sent: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 6:21 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video Moe, I have been told that the 680E will burn 30-32 GPH at 170-190 kts. =C2-I d o not need to get there is blinding speed. I also need to go high as you know. =C2-When I had Dan Farmers 500B for a year, she burned 30 GPH. Taking off of Pagosa Springs at 7600' in the summer was a concern with a sin gle engine=C2-ceiling=C2-of 8500'. It gets hot here in New Mexico. =C2- Tylor Hall On Jan 31, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Moe-rosspistons wrote: Tyler, =C2- I suspect that the operating cost of a 680F (not pressurized)=C2-and a 680 E should be close to the same, with the exception of the additional fuel cos ts for the "F".=C2- The "F" (flat nacelle) should be faster than the "E" ( bathtub nacelle) but I have no idea if it will come close to offsetting the additional fuel burn (square the horsepower to increase the speed?). =C2- Regards, =C2- Moe N680RR Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Tylor Hall Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:00 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video After I posted that, I thought I should have done a fact check on it. There is a lot of stuff going around that is not true and we need to20check it out. =0 A Back to helping Moe convert his 680FP and Tom's 680FLP to low pressure hydra ulics. In light of the cost of operation, I am back to thinking about a 680E. Moe and I had lunch the other day. =C2-Good to see him again. Tylor Hall On Jan 31, 2009, at 2:20 AM, Russell Legg wrote: Hi Folks, Caution...this email is a fake. The gun control laws that are mentioned in f act were introduced in 1997 (11 years ago) after a massacre that killed 17 p eople. I cannot vouch for the figures quoted but would confirm that this was an abs olutely =98over the top=99 reaction to a very unfortunate incide nt. The cost to tax payers is probably close, as is the estimate of number o f weapons destroyed. The incident was committed by a lone screwball who targeted a couple of tour ist buses and caf=C3=A9 in Tasmania. And so the more important question relates to how we can rub out screwballs in our society before they take their 5 seconds of limelight. Cheers from Oz Russell On 31/1/09 3:46 AM, "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com> wrote: Tyler, Thanks for posting this. =C2-I had planed to, but was having a hard time f inding it in my computer. =C2-Enjoyed having lunch with you. Regards, Moe From: Tylor Hall <mailto:tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net> =C2- Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video I just received this from a friend. Can this=2 0be confirmed by our friends down under? Tylor Hall =C2-=C2- =C2-Australian Gun Law Update Here's a thought to warm some of your =C2-hearts From: =C2-=C2-=C2-Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia Hi Yanks, I =C2-thought you all would like to see the now available data f rom Down =C2-Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since gun owners in =C2-Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal =C2-firearms to be destroyed by our=2 0own government, a program cos tin g =C2-Australia =C2-taxpayers more than $500 million =C2-dollars. The first year results are now =C2-available: Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 =C2-percent; Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 =C2-percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent =C2-(yes, 44 percent); In the state of Victoria alone, =C2-homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent as compared with the last =C2-one year period when private owners hip of a firearm was =C2-legal. (NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their =C2-personal firearms, the criminal element did not and thus criminals in =C2-Australia still posses s their guns.) While data for the 25 =C2-years preceding the confiscation of privately ow ned guns showed a steady =C2-decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically =C2-upward in the past 12 months as criminals now are assured their victims =C2-will be unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in =C2-break-ins and assaults of t h e elderly, while the resident is at =C2-home. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how =C2-public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense =C2-was expended in 's uccessfully ridding Australian society of =C2-guns.' This story of well intentioned government =C2-intervention in the rights o f lawful individuals to own and possess =C2-firearms won't be seen in the mainstream US media or on the American =C2-evening news. If President Obam a advocates a similar confiscation in the =C2-US, there will not be any re porting any of this to =C2-you. But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns =C2-in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, =C2-gun-control laws af fect only the law-abiding =C2-citizens. Americans may want to take note before it's too =C2-late! FORWARD =C2-TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST. DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE =C2-SILENT MAJORITY. BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO =C2-DOESN'T WANT TO SEE WHAT HA PPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US =C2-! On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote: =C2- Amen! =C2- =C2- Don ----- Original Message ----- =C2- From: Jim Addington <mailto:jtaddington@verizon.net> =C2- =C2- Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:16 =C2-PM =C2- Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing =C2-video =C2- =C2- =C2- That is a good =C2-video and that is what the new leaders in this country are going to do there =C2-dea d level best to do here. I got an email that =C2-had a clip that said =9CA fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and =C2-emotional maturity.=9D Sigmund Fr eud. 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    Time: 08:05:37 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: FW: Amazing video
    From: yourtcfg@aol.com
    They completely jam the=C2-component.=C2- Retract cylinders wont (retrac t), brake valeve wont (brake)=C2-everything completely stops working!!!! =C2- The problem with converting (I am told) is that it takes only a very =C2-small amount of reidual=C2-skdrol to swell the "O" rings and gum up the works.=C2- jb No durometer test was made, however, what difference does it make when the " O" ring is grossly oversize. -----Original Message----- From: Moe-rosspistons <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com> Sent: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 6:56 am Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video JB =C2- What is the TBO on your engines? =C2- Also, ethylene propylene "O" rings that are made to be used with Skydrol, mo st definitely "blow up" when used with 5606 "red" fluid.=C2- I placed one in a small pill container filled with red and left it for four days.=C2- T he ethylene propylene "O" ring increased in diameter to the size of the pill container.=C2-No durometer test was made, however, what difference does i t make when the "O" ring is grossly oversize. =C2-So now we know that "O" rings can't be switched either way. =C2- Moe Mills Proud Holder of the Golden Pedal Award From: yourtcfg@aol.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:57 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video 175kts and 35-38 gph is the reall sory (I have flow triple 2 615hours)=C2 - jb I have been told that the 680E will burn 30-32 GPH at 17 0-190 kts. -----Original Message----- From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net> Sent: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 6:21 pm Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video Moe, I have been told that the 680E will burn 30-32 GPH at 170-190 kts. =C2-I d o not need to get there is blinding speed. I also need to go high as you know. =C2-When I had Dan Farmers 500B for a year, she burned 30 GPH. Taking off of Pagosa Springs at 7600' in the summer was a concern with a sin gle engine=C2-ceiling=C2-of 8500'. It gets hot here in New Mexico. =C2- Tylor Hall On Jan 31, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Moe-rosspistons wrote: Tyler, =C2- I suspect that the operating cost of a 680F (not pressurized)=C2-and a 680 E should be close to the same, with the exception of the additional fuel cos ts for the "F".=C2- The "F" (flat nacelle) should be faster than the "E" ( bathtub nacelle) but I have no idea if it will come close to offsetting the additional fuel burn (square the horsepower to increase the speed?). =C2- Regards, =C2- Moe N680RR Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Tylor Hall Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:00 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video After I posted that, I thought I should have done a fact check on it. There is a lot of stuff going around that is not true and we need to check i t out. =0 A Back to he lping Moe convert his 680FP and Tom's 680FLP to low pressure hydraulics. In light of the cost of operation, I am back to thinking about a 680E. Moe and I had lunch the other day. =C2-Good to see him again. Tylor Hall On Jan 31, 2009, at 2:20 AM, Russell Legg wrote: Hi Folks, Caution...this email is a fake. The gun control laws that are mentioned in f act were introduced in 1997 (11 years ago) after a massacre that killed 17 p eople. I cannot vouch for the figures quoted but would confirm that this was an abs olutely =98over the top=99 reaction to a very unfortunate incide nt. The cost to tax payers is probably close, as is the estimate of number o f weapons destroyed. The incident was committed by a lone screwball who targeted a couple of tour ist buses and caf=C3=A9 in Tasmania. And so the more important question relates to how we can rub out screwballs in our society before they take their 5 seconds of limelight. Cheers from Oz Russell On 31/1/09 3:46 AM, "Moe-rosspistons" <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com> wrote: Tyler, Thanks for posting this. =C2-I had planed to, but was having a hard time f inding it in my computer. =C2-Enjoyed having lunch with you. Regards, Moe From: Tylor Hall <mailto:tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net> =C2- Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:25 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: FW: Amazing video I just received this from a friend. Can this be confirmed by our friends down under? Tylo r Hall =C2-=C2- =C2-Australian Gun Law Update Here's a thought to warm some of your =C2-hearts From: =C2-=C2-=C2-Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia Hi Yanks, I =C2-thought you all would like to see the now available data f rom Down =C2-Under. It has now been one year (12 months) since gun owners in =C2-Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal =C2-firearms to be destroyed by our=2 0own government, a program cos tin g =C2-Australia =C2-taxpayers more than $500 million =C2-dollars. The first year results are now =C2-available: Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 =C2-percent; Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 =C2-percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent =C2-(yes, 44 percent); In the state of Victoria alone, =C2-homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent as compared with the last =C2-one year period when private owners hip of a firearm was =C2-legal. (NB: the law-abiding citizens did turn in their =C2-personal firearms, the criminal element did not and thus criminals in =C2-Australia still posses s their guns.) While data for the 25 =C2-years preceding the confiscation of privately ow ned guns showed a steady =C2-decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically =C2-upward in the past 12 months as criminals now are assured their victims =C2-will be unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in =C2-break-ins and assaults of t he elderly, while the resident is at =C2-hom e. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how =C2-public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense =C2-was expended in 's uccessfully ridding Australian society of =C2-guns.' This story of well intentioned government =C2-intervention in the rights o f lawful individuals to own and possess =C2-firearms won't be seen in the mainstream US media or on the American =C2-evening news. If President Obam a advocates a similar confiscation in the =C2-US, there will not be any re porting any of this to =C2-you. But, the Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns =C2-in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, =C2-gun-control laws af fect only the law-abiding =C2-citizens. Americans may want to take note before it's too =C2-late! FORWARD =C2-TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST. DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE =C2-SILENT MAJORITY. BE A PARTICIPANT IN THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO =C2-DOESN'T WANT TO SEE WHAT HA PPENED IN AUSTRALIA HAPPEN IN THE US =C2-! On Jan 29, 2009, at 10:47 PM, dongirod wrote: =C2- Amen! =C2- =C2- Don ----- Original Message ----- =C2- From: Jim Addington <mailto:jtaddington@verizon.net> =C2- =C2- Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:16 =C2-PM =C2- Subject: RE: Commander-List: FW: Amazing =C2-video =C2- =C2- =C2- That is a good =C2-video and that is what the new leaders in this country are going to do there =C2-dead level best to do here. I got an emai l that =C2-had a clip that said =9CA fear of weapons is a sign of re tarded sexual and =C2-emotional maturity.=9D Sigmund Freud. 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    Time: 09:03:27 PM PST US
    From: <dfalik@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: 1970 500S for sale
    All, I still have for sale my 1970 500S that I maintained and flew for 4 years and 1000 hours. If any interest, e-mail me at dfalik@sbcglobal.net and I'll send a spec sheet and some photos. Don


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    Time: 09:19:03 PM PST US
    From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
    Subject: Crash in Buffalo
    We don't know exactly what happened to that flight, but from the information trickling out of the press conferences and the news media, one may conclude that the plane violently rolled over when the flaps were lowered. It appears to be a full roll because the wreck was found in a flat position (belly down) almost in the opposite direction of the flight, which makes one think that it rolled and yawed when the flaps deployed unevenly. Some years ago I read about the dangers of lowering or raising the flaps during severe ice buildup for this exact reason. Sad chain of events, though. We hold those who mourn in our thoughts and prayers. Nico


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    Time: 10:19:23 PM PST US
    From: "dongirod" <dongirod@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Crash in Buffalo
    Nico, I know very little about that airplane, but I would think it would have some kind of flap asymmetry built into it, everything I flew commercially did. I am just speculating but was thinking that maybe due to ice it stalled out, they are now reporting it basically pancaked in flat not nosed in as previously reported and that the stall warning and stick pusher were going off. But it does makes us aware of how fragile life is, they are in my prayers. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:17 AM Subject: Commander-List: Crash in Buffalo We don't know exactly what happened to that flight, but from the information trickling out of the press conferences and the news media, one may conclude that the plane violently rolled over when the flaps were lowered. It appears to be a full roll because the wreck was found in a flat position (belly down) almost in the opposite direction of the flight, which makes one think that it rolled and yawed when the flaps deployed unevenly. Some years ago I read about the dangers of lowering or raising the flaps during severe ice buildup for this exact reason. Sad chain of events, though. We hold those who mourn in our thoughts and prayers. Nico


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    Time: 11:06:01 PM PST US
    From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
    Subject: Crash in Buffalo
    Don/Nico- Assymetry protection is a requirement in transport category airplanes, and the Dash uses a torque tube like most all turboprops to prevent the condition. You=99d have to snap that tube or bend the entire wing box to get that condition. I=99ve got a few thousand hours flying turboprops and probably more than 100 approaches into KBUF- about half in crap weather. I=99ve never seen ice build more quickly on an airframe in any other location. When the ice overwhelms the heated windshield- it is extreme. I saw this happen twice, both on flights into/out of KBUF- and both for me were in daylight so we were able to rapidly assess the seriousness of our condition. From the media and NTSB reports- it seems this crew saw just such a phenomenon- and was in the process of assessing it when cleared for the approach. There is a fantastic NASA video that discusses tail-plane stalls on account of icing. (I couldn=99t find it in a quick search- I=99ll keep looking, as the lessons imparted easily apply to commander pilots) At our line, we were required to watch this video as part of our training- and it gives some fantastic data on how to detect and manage an incipient tail-plane stall condition on account of ice. One lesson you take away from this video is that if you attempt to treat a tail-plane stall the way you would a wing stall, you will lose control of the airplane. This has left me wondering if the crew induced a wing stall attempting to combat the tail-plane stall, and in doing so spun the airplane. As you guys no doubt know- there are a couple of places in spin rotation, especially for larger wing aircraft where the body angle will be nearly level. This crew had very little margin for error- and it seems they were only just becoming aware of the danger when events overcame their best efforts. Makes you shudder to wonder how close some of us have been to this exact scenario but through luck or providence were able to come out the other end. The Dash is a heck of an ice carrier- so these conditions must have been truly unusual. Be careful out there, guys. Robert S. Randazzo N414C From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dongirod Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:18 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Crash in Buffalo Nico, I know very little about that airplane, but I would think it would have some kind of flap asymmetry built into it, everything I flew commercially did. I am just speculating but was thinking that maybe due to ice it stalled out, they are now reporting it basically pancaked in flat not nosed in as previously reported and that the stall warning and stick pusher were going off. But it does makes us aware of how fragile life is, they are in my prayers. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css <mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:17 AM Subject: Commander-List: Crash in Buffalo We don't know exactly what happened to that flight, but from the information trickling out of the press conferences and the news media, one may conclude that the plane violently rolled over when the flaps were lowered. It appears to be a full roll because the wreck was found in a flat position (belly down) almost in the opposite direction of the flight, which makes one think that it rolled and yawed when the flaps deployed unevenly. Some years ago I read about the dangers of lowering or raising the flaps during severe ice buildup for this exact reason. Sad chain of events, though. We hold those who mourn in our thoughts and prayers. Nico href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c




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