---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/26/09: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:42 AM - Re: Flying with doors removed. (Russell Legg) 2. 06:34 AM - Shark Fin Antenna (Moe-rosspistons) 3. 06:46 AM - Re: Shark Fin Antenna (BobsV35B@aol.com) 4. 09:47 AM - Re: Shark Fin Antenna (BertBerry1@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flying with doors removed. From: Russell Legg Hi Bill, Last week I managed to track down the research for the arrangements that the Department of Civil Aviation put in place, here in Australia back in 1962. At the time they were operating 2 560Es and 2 680Es. They conducted significant air testing of a 560E with both the baggage door removed and the emergency exit window removed. Their aim was to enable operations in a Search & Rescue environment. Their conclusion was simple: Baggage door-off or window removed or both were permitted provided a 10% reduction in AUW was achieved for take-off, and across the operational envelope. Hope this helps... Cheers from Oz Russell On 20/2/09 5:48 PM, "BillLeff1@aol.com" wrote: > Bert, that information would be very helpful if you can send it. I am also > wanting to fly with the baggage door removed. > > Thanks > > Bill Leff > > > A Good Credit Score is > 1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3 > Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62"> See yours in just 2 > easy steps! > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:20 AM PST US From: "Moe-rosspistons" Subject: Commander-List: Shark Fin Antenna Re: Commander-List: Flying with doors removed.Fellow Commander Drivers: Typically which radio is connected to the "Shark Fin Antenna" I seem to be having a senior moment and can't remember. Thanx! Moe Mills N680RR Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Russell Legg Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 4:42 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flying with doors removed. Hi Bill, Last week I managed to track down the research for the arrangements that the Department of Civil Aviation put in place, here in Australia back in 1962. At the time they were operating 2 560Es and 2 680Es. They conducted significant air testing of a 560E with both the baggage door removed and the emergency exit window removed. Their aim was to enable operations in a Search & Rescue environment. Their conclusion was simple: Baggage door-off or window removed or both were permitted provided a 10% reduction in AUW was achieved for take-off, and across the operational envelope. Hope this helps... Cheers from Oz Russell On 20/2/09 5:48 PM, "BillLeff1@aol.com" wrote: Bert, that information would be very helpful if you can send it. I am also wanting to fly with the baggage door removed. Thanks Bill Leff ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- A Good Credit Score is 1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault .aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62"> See yours in just 2 easy steps! ist Email Forum - r-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - matronics.com ;- List Contribution Web Site - ; -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:58 AM PST US From: BobsV35B@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shark Fin Antenna Good Morning Moe, Most often a shark fin is a high speed communication antenna. They create relatively low drag and handle ice very well. The dual "shark fins" that are occasionally installed as a pair and oriented horizontally are generally called Blade Antennas. They are used to receive VHF Navigation and glideslope signals Happy Skies Old Bob AKA Bob Siegfried Ancient Aviator 628 West 86th Street Downers Grove, IL 60516 630 985-8502 Stearman N3977A Brookeridge Air Park LL22 In a message dated 2/26/2009 8:35:01 A.M. Central Standard Time, moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com writes: Fellow Commander Drivers: Typically which radio is connected to the "Shark Fin Antenna" I seem to be having a senior moment and can't remember. Thanx! Moe Mills N680RR Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: _Russell Legg_ (mailto:rlegg@austarnet.com.au) Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 4:42 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Flying with doors removed. Hi Bill, Last week I managed to track down the research for the arrangements that the Department of Civil Aviation put in place, here in Australia back in 1962. At the time they were operating 2 560Es and 2 680Es. They conducted significant air testing of a 560E with both the baggage door removed and the emergency exit window removed. Their aim was to enable operations in a Search & Rescue environment. Their conclusion was simple: Baggage door-off or window removed or both were permitted provided a 10% reduction in AUW was achieved for take-off, and across the operational envelope. Hope this helps... Cheers from Oz Russell On 20/2/09 5:48 PM, "BillLeff1@aol.com" wrote: Bert, that information would be very helpful if you can send it. I am also wanting to fly with the baggage door removed. 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