Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 04:07 AM - Re: Great Day, Great Photos (Steve W)
2. 04:39 AM - Re: Great Day, Great Photos (Steve W)
3. 10:06 AM - Re: Great Day, Great Photos (John Vormbaum)
4. 10:06 AM - Re: Great Day, Great Photos (L D GIROD)
5. 12:20 PM - gauge (Donnie Rose)
6. 11:35 PM - He cannot be serious. Let's negotiate... (nico css)
Message 1
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Subject: | Re: Great Day, Great Photos |
Nico, Col-East is next door to Turboprops East. They are a regional King
Air fix-it shop, but they picked up a regional franchise for Piaggio
repair and maintenance. Some of the fellas went over to Italy for
training. There seems to be some things that are peculiar about the
aircraft's maintenance, but I've become somewhat familiar with the
comings and goings of particular aircraft, and they don't seem to be
hanger queens. I wouldn't base my buying decision on that information!
The surfaces of the thing are faired with compound to keep it slick.
During maintenenance some of that needs to be redone.
They seemed really weird at first, but after being inside one (both the
front and the back), it looks like a really nice place to be (great
visibility), and the crews I spoke with really liked it. One of the
pilots comes in out of Westchester(?) that I believe used to fly for
John Towner. He'll wander over from time to time to again get up close
to a 500B.
The pusher props have a unique crackle in the pattern, and they do
approach pretty fast, but even with our displaced threshold (3000
something useable) and hills in the way, they do ok.
Over 400 knots!
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 1:25 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Great Day, Great Photos
John,
I was wondering about the maintenance remark concerning the Piaggio's.
I stopped at our local watering hole (Camarillo, CA) the other day and
saw the local Piaggio being serviced. There were a lot of folks around
the 180 working things here and dabbing things there to get it ready for
the next flight. Maybe someone on the list would know if it's really
such a good option to a jet. I have taken a fancy to the Premier because
of its speed, but, as you said, there are always tradeoffs.
Nico
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 9:50 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Great Day, Great Photos
Steve,
Tell Shaun's bro that those are great pics! You're making me miss my
homeland..I grew up on the north shore of Long Island and I still love
NY and visit every summer. NYC is an incredible place! It sure looks
like you had picture perfect weather too. Plus, as a Commander pilot I
never get tired of "spinner shots". How many times have I looked out my
window and seen myself reflected in the spinner, and just had to give
myself a Thumbs Up (check out that handsome devil lucky enough to fly
this bad@ss piece of machinery!).
I find it amusing that NY pilots use tunnels as landmarks. If that
isn't NY-pilot elitism, I don't know what is. New Yorkers are all the
same. Doesn't matter if you drive a hot dog stand, a cab or an aircraft.
As far as the Piaggio P-180 (the "flying Catfish"), I've heard that it
is a very nice-flying airplane. I've also heard that if you can see the
end of the runway, it's not nearly long enough. Even on a cold day. Oh
well, airplanes are always give-and-take. They sure are fast for a prop
plane.
/J
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at
Col-East
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:09 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Great Day, Great Photos
Hey Commander gang,
Shaun our cameraman has a brother just crazy over aircraft. He is one
of those guys sitting out at the end of runways taking pictures of
airliners for sites like airliners.net. He's now published and sells
photos on the web and to corporate flight departments. Saturday we did
something I had been meaning to do for a long time. We were able to pick
him up outside Boston and take him with us for a day. I was glad to do
it, and we had a nice surprise for him.
We started with some fairly boring work between Rhode Island and New
Hampshire, but we were working with a Boston Bravo clearance, which I
think he enjoyed. We pit-stopped for fuel in Connecticut, where a
friendly Piaggio crew let Dan aboard an aircraft he hadn't been up close
to. (These things have grown on me. Maintenance looks horrendous.)
Left CT and headed south for Long Island. South of Fire Island, we
dropped down to 500 feet and drove all the way to the entrance of the
VFR corridor, passing a couple miles south of JFK and under their
arrivals, and passing all of the other famous landmarks like Coney
Island.
Jumped back up to 1100 feet and headed up north over the Verrazano
Bridge into New York Harbor. Dan ripped off hundreds of photos I guess,
with some of them some real keepers. Classic Commander spinner shot of
Lower Manhattan looking east, midtown, uptown, the Intrepid Museum. (A
national tradegy the Twin Towers are still a hole in the ground. They
should have been put right back up again.) Very busy with helicopter
traffic. Really busy. (I always forget the copter guys use the Lincoln
and Holland Tunnels for callout positions. Whose idea was that? How do
you locate a *&^%$& tunnel from the air?)
We had a real job with vertical photography in the Bronx, so I had to
call up LaGuardia to negotiate access to our precoordinated survey
location. Gave Dan the opportunity for a pass over the George Washington
Bridge, and a tight U-turn over the Hudson back over the GWB to
intercept our line to the northeast and sneak under departing LGA
traffic, and then back to Worcester to drop Dan off, and finally home.
The point of all this (besides being pleasantly surprised I remember
how to do it) is that Dan took some great photos of the day. If you put
your cursor in the photo you can view a much larger version.
http://dvincent.smugmug.com/gallery/7686534_q6ayC#496531070_yB3mp
Steve
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
Message 2
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Subject: | Re: Great Day, Great Photos |
Glad folks liked the pictures.
Hi John! It is an awesome place, isn't it! Back when the LIRR was
running diesels on the southern line, as kids we'd jump on a train and
ride in to go listen to jazz or spend time doing whatever it was we did.
I remember riding between the cars on the way home watching the scenery
flash by in the dark. Or maybe take the old '67 Cougar or Diplomat
(ex-police!) through the Queens-Midtown tunnel and mash the peddle to
the floor to hear the secondaries howl. Two weeks ago I drove the
pick-em up truck down from Vermont to Brooklyn to visit a jazz musician
friend. I still love the place. When I called up Lagaurdia tower to get
their fax number, the controller yelled to his buddy "Hey Tony, what's
our fax number?" Perfect...... You're right on about New Yorkers from
and around the City. (It is nice going home to my Vermont hilltop.)
I moved from the south shore to the north, out to Rocky Point before
leaving LI. A friend there still sails out of Mt. Sinai Harbor (another
mapping pilot). Still love the north shore, used to have a little Fiat
X1/9, perfect for those roads with it's raging 1.5 liter engine. I could
walk down to the cliffs and watch nor'easters blow in.
John if you come out east, do visit.
While in the air I told Dan about Commander 'spinner shots'. From every
point of the globe there are those shots. Out of all the photos, I
thought #25 was the best one. Dan is going to post that one to
Airliners.net and he thinks it will be popular.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 12:49 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Great Day, Great Photos
Steve,
Tell Shaun's bro that those are great pics! You're making me miss my
homeland..I grew up on the north shore of Long Island and I still love
NY and visit every summer. NYC is an incredible place! It sure looks
like you had picture perfect weather too. Plus, as a Commander pilot I
never get tired of "spinner shots". How many times have I looked out my
window and seen myself reflected in the spinner, and just had to give
myself a Thumbs Up (check out that handsome devil lucky enough to fly
this bad@ss piece of machinery!).
I find it amusing that NY pilots use tunnels as landmarks. If that
isn't NY-pilot elitism, I don't know what is. New Yorkers are all the
same. Doesn't matter if you drive a hot dog stand, a cab or an aircraft.
As far as the Piaggio P-180 (the "flying Catfish"), I've heard that it
is a very nice-flying airplane. I've also heard that if you can see the
end of the runway, it's not nearly long enough. Even on a cold day. Oh
well, airplanes are always give-and-take. They sure are fast for a prop
plane.
/J
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at
Col-East
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:09 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Great Day, Great Photos
Hey Commander gang,
Shaun our cameraman has a brother just crazy over aircraft. He is one
of those guys sitting out at the end of runways taking pictures of
airliners for sites like airliners.net. He's now published and sells
photos on the web and to corporate flight departments. Saturday we did
something I had been meaning to do for a long time. We were able to pick
him up outside Boston and take him with us for a day. I was glad to do
it, and we had a nice surprise for him.
We started with some fairly boring work between Rhode Island and New
Hampshire, but we were working with a Boston Bravo clearance, which I
think he enjoyed. We pit-stopped for fuel in Connecticut, where a
friendly Piaggio crew let Dan aboard an aircraft he hadn't been up close
to. (These things have grown on me. Maintenance looks horrendous.)
Left CT and headed south for Long Island. South of Fire Island, we
dropped down to 500 feet and drove all the way to the entrance of the
VFR corridor, passing a couple miles south of JFK and under their
arrivals, and passing all of the other famous landmarks like Coney
Island.
Jumped back up to 1100 feet and headed up north over the Verrazano
Bridge into New York Harbor. Dan ripped off hundreds of photos I guess,
with some of them some real keepers. Classic Commander spinner shot of
Lower Manhattan looking east, midtown, uptown, the Intrepid Museum. (A
national tradegy the Twin Towers are still a hole in the ground. They
should have been put right back up again.) Very busy with helicopter
traffic. Really busy. (I always forget the copter guys use the Lincoln
and Holland Tunnels for callout positions. Whose idea was that? How do
you locate a *&^%$& tunnel from the air?)
We had a real job with vertical photography in the Bronx, so I had to
call up LaGuardia to negotiate access to our precoordinated survey
location. Gave Dan the opportunity for a pass over the George Washington
Bridge, and a tight U-turn over the Hudson back over the GWB to
intercept our line to the northeast and sneak under departing LGA
traffic, and then back to Worcester to drop Dan off, and finally home.
The point of all this (besides being pleasantly surprised I remember
how to do it) is that Dan took some great photos of the day. If you put
your cursor in the photo you can view a much larger version.
http://dvincent.smugmug.com/gallery/7686534_q6ayC#496531070_yB3mp
Steve
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
Message 3
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Subject: | Great Day, Great Photos |
We still have beach property on the north shore...in fact, I married my wife
there. LI is an awesome place, from April to October. The rest of the year
I'm happy to stay here in CA.
I'll definitely ring you up when I'm there. I've been meaning to fly my 500B
out there, maybe this will be the year....
/J
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:38 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Great Day, Great Photos
Glad folks liked the pictures.
Hi John! It is an awesome place, isn't it! Back when the LIRR was running
diesels on the southern line, as kids we'd jump on a train and ride in to go
listen to jazz or spend time doing whatever it was we did. I remember riding
between the cars on the way home watching the scenery flash by in the dark.
Or maybe take the old '67 Cougar or Diplomat (ex-police!) through the
Queens-Midtown tunnel and mash the peddle to the floor to hear the
secondaries howl. Two weeks ago I drove the pick-em up truck down from
Vermont to Brooklyn to visit a jazz musician friend. I still love the place.
When I called up Lagaurdia tower to get their fax number, the controller
yelled to his buddy "Hey Tony, what's our fax number?" Perfect...... You're
right on about New Yorkers from and around the City. (It is nice going home
to my Vermont hilltop.)
I moved from the south shore to the north, out to Rocky Point before leaving
LI. A friend there still sails out of Mt. Sinai Harbor (another mapping
pilot). Still love the north shore, used to have a little Fiat X1/9, perfect
for those roads with it's raging 1.5 liter engine. I could walk down to the
cliffs and watch nor'easters blow in.
John if you come out east, do visit.
While in the air I told Dan about Commander 'spinner shots'. From every
point of the globe there are those shots. Out of all the photos, I thought
#25 was the best one. Dan is going to post that one to Airliners.net and he
thinks it will be popular.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum <mailto:john@vormbaum.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 12:49 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Great Day, Great Photos
Steve,
Tell Shaun's bro that those are great pics! You're making me miss my
homeland..I grew up on the north shore of Long Island and I still love NY
and visit every summer. NYC is an incredible place! It sure looks like you
had picture perfect weather too. Plus, as a Commander pilot I never get
tired of "spinner shots". How many times have I looked out my window and
seen myself reflected in the spinner, and just had to give myself a Thumbs
Up (check out that handsome devil lucky enough to fly this bad@ss piece of
machinery!).
I find it amusing that NY pilots use tunnels as landmarks. If that isn't
NY-pilot elitism, I don't know what is. New Yorkers are all the same.
Doesn't matter if you drive a hot dog stand, a cab or an aircraft.
As far as the Piaggio P-180 (the "flying Catfish"), I've heard that it is a
very nice-flying airplane. I've also heard that if you can see the end of
the runway, it's not nearly long enough. Even on a cold day. Oh well,
airplanes are always give-and-take. They sure are fast for a prop plane.
/J
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at
Col-East
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:09 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Great Day, Great Photos
Hey Commander gang,
Shaun our cameraman has a brother just crazy over aircraft. He is one of
those guys sitting out at the end of runways taking pictures of airliners
for sites like airliners.net. He's now published and sells photos on the web
and to corporate flight departments. Saturday we did something I had been
meaning to do for a long time. We were able to pick him up outside Boston
and take him with us for a day. I was glad to do it, and we had a nice
surprise for him.
We started with some fairly boring work between Rhode Island and New
Hampshire, but we were working with a Boston Bravo clearance, which I think
he enjoyed. We pit-stopped for fuel in Connecticut, where a friendly Piaggio
crew let Dan aboard an aircraft he hadn't been up close to. (These things
have grown on me. Maintenance looks horrendous.)
Left CT and headed south for Long Island. South of Fire Island, we dropped
down to 500 feet and drove all the way to the entrance of the VFR corridor,
passing a couple miles south of JFK and under their arrivals, and passing
all of the other famous landmarks like Coney Island.
Jumped back up to 1100 feet and headed up north over the Verrazano Bridge
into New York Harbor. Dan ripped off hundreds of photos I guess, with some
of them some real keepers. Classic Commander spinner shot of Lower Manhattan
looking east, midtown, uptown, the Intrepid Museum. (A national tradegy the
Twin Towers are still a hole in the ground. They should have been put right
back up again.) Very busy with helicopter traffic. Really busy. (I always
forget the copter guys use the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels for callout
positions. Whose idea was that? How do you locate a *&^%$& tunnel from the
air?)
We had a real job with vertical photography in the Bronx, so I had to call
up LaGuardia to negotiate access to our precoordinated survey location. Gave
Dan the opportunity for a pass over the George Washington Bridge, and a
tight U-turn over the Hudson back over the GWB to intercept our line to the
northeast and sneak under departing LGA traffic, and then back to Worcester
to drop Dan off, and finally home.
The point of all this (besides being pleasantly surprised I remember how to
do it) is that Dan took some great photos of the day. If you put your cursor
in the photo you can view a much larger version.
http://dvincent.smugmug.com/gallery/7686534_q6ayC#496531070_yB3mp
Steve
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
Message 4
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Subject: | Re: Great Day, Great Photos |
I pulled up the Piaggio's P-180 II, web page and it stated it needed
less than 3000 feet for takeoff and landing, not as good as my
Commander, but not bad for a plane that grosses at 12K., will climb to
41K and go 400Kts. Saw everything but a price tag. Probably a reason!
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 1:25 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Great Day, Great Photos
John,
I was wondering about the maintenance remark concerning the Piaggio's.
I stopped at our local watering hole (Camarillo, CA) the other day and
saw the local Piaggio being serviced. There were a lot of folks around
the 180 working things here and dabbing things there to get it ready for
the next flight. Maybe someone on the list would know if it's really
such a good option to a jet. I have taken a fancy to the Premier because
of its speed, but, as you said, there are always tradeoffs.
Nico
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Vormbaum
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 9:50 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Great Day, Great Photos
Steve,
Tell Shaun's bro that those are great pics! You're making me miss my
homeland..I grew up on the north shore of Long Island and I still love
NY and visit every summer. NYC is an incredible place! It sure looks
like you had picture perfect weather too. Plus, as a Commander pilot I
never get tired of "spinner shots". How many times have I looked out my
window and seen myself reflected in the spinner, and just had to give
myself a Thumbs Up (check out that handsome devil lucky enough to fly
this bad@ss piece of machinery!).
I find it amusing that NY pilots use tunnels as landmarks. If that
isn't NY-pilot elitism, I don't know what is. New Yorkers are all the
same. Doesn't matter if you drive a hot dog stand, a cab or an aircraft.
As far as the Piaggio P-180 (the "flying Catfish"), I've heard that it
is a very nice-flying airplane. I've also heard that if you can see the
end of the runway, it's not nearly long enough. Even on a cold day. Oh
well, airplanes are always give-and-take. They sure are fast for a prop
plane.
/J
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at
Col-East
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:09 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Great Day, Great Photos
Hey Commander gang,
Shaun our cameraman has a brother just crazy over aircraft. He is one
of those guys sitting out at the end of runways taking pictures of
airliners for sites like airliners.net. He's now published and sells
photos on the web and to corporate flight departments. Saturday we did
something I had been meaning to do for a long time. We were able to pick
him up outside Boston and take him with us for a day. I was glad to do
it, and we had a nice surprise for him.
We started with some fairly boring work between Rhode Island and New
Hampshire, but we were working with a Boston Bravo clearance, which I
think he enjoyed. We pit-stopped for fuel in Connecticut, where a
friendly Piaggio crew let Dan aboard an aircraft he hadn't been up close
to. (These things have grown on me. Maintenance looks horrendous.)
Left CT and headed south for Long Island. South of Fire Island, we
dropped down to 500 feet and drove all the way to the entrance of the
VFR corridor, passing a couple miles south of JFK and under their
arrivals, and passing all of the other famous landmarks like Coney
Island.
Jumped back up to 1100 feet and headed up north over the Verrazano
Bridge into New York Harbor. Dan ripped off hundreds of photos I guess,
with some of them some real keepers. Classic Commander spinner shot of
Lower Manhattan looking east, midtown, uptown, the Intrepid Museum. (A
national tradegy the Twin Towers are still a hole in the ground. They
should have been put right back up again.) Very busy with helicopter
traffic. Really busy. (I always forget the copter guys use the Lincoln
and Holland Tunnels for callout positions. Whose idea was that? How do
you locate a *&^%$& tunnel from the air?)
We had a real job with vertical photography in the Bronx, so I had to
call up LaGuardia to negotiate access to our precoordinated survey
location. Gave Dan the opportunity for a pass over the George Washington
Bridge, and a tight U-turn over the Hudson back over the GWB to
intercept our line to the northeast and sneak under departing LGA
traffic, and then back to Worcester to drop Dan off, and finally home.
The point of all this (besides being pleasantly surprised I remember
how to do it) is that Dan took some great photos of the day. If you put
your cursor in the photo you can view a much larger version.
http://dvincent.smugmug.com/gallery/7686534_q6ayC#496531070_yB3mp
Steve
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
Message 5
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Anyone have- an overhauled manifold pressure gauge for trade? Mine has a
sticky needle.=0A=0Athanks=0A=0A-=0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A=0A=0A
=0A
Message 6
INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Subject: | He cannot be serious. Let's negotiate... |
<http://www.tangle.com/view_video.php?viewkey=0861ff3eabea1ceb73e4>
http://www.tangle.com/view_video.php?viewkey=0861ff3eabea1ceb73e4
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|