---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 03/24/09: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:07 AM - Re: Great Day, Great Photos (Steve W) 2. 04:39 AM - Re: Great Day, Great Photos (Steve W) 3. 10:06 AM - Re: Great Day, Great Photos (John Vormbaum) 4. 10:06 AM - Re: Great Day, Great Photos (L D GIROD) 5. 12:20 PM - gauge (Donnie Rose) 6. 11:35 PM - He cannot be serious. Let's negotiate... (nico css) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:07:41 AM PST US From: "Steve W" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Great Day, Great Photos Nico, Col-East is next door to Turboprops East. They are a regional King Air fix-it shop, but they picked up a regional franchise for Piaggio repair and maintenance. Some of the fellas went over to Italy for training. There seems to be some things that are peculiar about the aircraft's maintenance, but I've become somewhat familiar with the comings and goings of particular aircraft, and they don't seem to be hanger queens. I wouldn't base my buying decision on that information! The surfaces of the thing are faired with compound to keep it slick. During maintenenance some of that needs to be redone. They seemed really weird at first, but after being inside one (both the front and the back), it looks like a really nice place to be (great visibility), and the crews I spoke with really liked it. One of the pilots comes in out of Westchester(?) that I believe used to fly for John Towner. He'll wander over from time to time to again get up close to a 500B. The pusher props have a unique crackle in the pattern, and they do approach pretty fast, but even with our displaced threshold (3000 something useable) and hills in the way, they do ok. Over 400 knots! Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 1:25 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Great Day, Great Photos John, I was wondering about the maintenance remark concerning the Piaggio's. I stopped at our local watering hole (Camarillo, CA) the other day and saw the local Piaggio being serviced. There were a lot of folks around the 180 working things here and dabbing things there to get it ready for the next flight. Maybe someone on the list would know if it's really such a good option to a jet. I have taken a fancy to the Premier because of its speed, but, as you said, there are always tradeoffs. Nico ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 9:50 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Great Day, Great Photos Steve, Tell Shaun's bro that those are great pics! You're making me miss my homeland..I grew up on the north shore of Long Island and I still love NY and visit every summer. NYC is an incredible place! It sure looks like you had picture perfect weather too. Plus, as a Commander pilot I never get tired of "spinner shots". How many times have I looked out my window and seen myself reflected in the spinner, and just had to give myself a Thumbs Up (check out that handsome devil lucky enough to fly this bad@ss piece of machinery!). I find it amusing that NY pilots use tunnels as landmarks. If that isn't NY-pilot elitism, I don't know what is. New Yorkers are all the same. Doesn't matter if you drive a hot dog stand, a cab or an aircraft. As far as the Piaggio P-180 (the "flying Catfish"), I've heard that it is a very nice-flying airplane. I've also heard that if you can see the end of the runway, it's not nearly long enough. Even on a cold day. Oh well, airplanes are always give-and-take. They sure are fast for a prop plane. /J From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at Col-East Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:09 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: Great Day, Great Photos Hey Commander gang, Shaun our cameraman has a brother just crazy over aircraft. He is one of those guys sitting out at the end of runways taking pictures of airliners for sites like airliners.net. He's now published and sells photos on the web and to corporate flight departments. Saturday we did something I had been meaning to do for a long time. We were able to pick him up outside Boston and take him with us for a day. I was glad to do it, and we had a nice surprise for him. We started with some fairly boring work between Rhode Island and New Hampshire, but we were working with a Boston Bravo clearance, which I think he enjoyed. We pit-stopped for fuel in Connecticut, where a friendly Piaggio crew let Dan aboard an aircraft he hadn't been up close to. (These things have grown on me. Maintenance looks horrendous.) Left CT and headed south for Long Island. South of Fire Island, we dropped down to 500 feet and drove all the way to the entrance of the VFR corridor, passing a couple miles south of JFK and under their arrivals, and passing all of the other famous landmarks like Coney Island. Jumped back up to 1100 feet and headed up north over the Verrazano Bridge into New York Harbor. Dan ripped off hundreds of photos I guess, with some of them some real keepers. Classic Commander spinner shot of Lower Manhattan looking east, midtown, uptown, the Intrepid Museum. (A national tradegy the Twin Towers are still a hole in the ground. They should have been put right back up again.) Very busy with helicopter traffic. Really busy. (I always forget the copter guys use the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels for callout positions. Whose idea was that? How do you locate a *&^%$& tunnel from the air?) We had a real job with vertical photography in the Bronx, so I had to call up LaGuardia to negotiate access to our precoordinated survey location. Gave Dan the opportunity for a pass over the George Washington Bridge, and a tight U-turn over the Hudson back over the GWB to intercept our line to the northeast and sneak under departing LGA traffic, and then back to Worcester to drop Dan off, and finally home. The point of all this (besides being pleasantly surprised I remember how to do it) is that Dan took some great photos of the day. If you put your cursor in the photo you can view a much larger version. http://dvincent.smugmug.com/gallery/7686534_q6ayC#496531070_yB3mp Steve http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:40 AM PST US From: "Steve W" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Great Day, Great Photos Glad folks liked the pictures. Hi John! It is an awesome place, isn't it! Back when the LIRR was running diesels on the southern line, as kids we'd jump on a train and ride in to go listen to jazz or spend time doing whatever it was we did. I remember riding between the cars on the way home watching the scenery flash by in the dark. Or maybe take the old '67 Cougar or Diplomat (ex-police!) through the Queens-Midtown tunnel and mash the peddle to the floor to hear the secondaries howl. Two weeks ago I drove the pick-em up truck down from Vermont to Brooklyn to visit a jazz musician friend. I still love the place. When I called up Lagaurdia tower to get their fax number, the controller yelled to his buddy "Hey Tony, what's our fax number?" Perfect...... You're right on about New Yorkers from and around the City. (It is nice going home to my Vermont hilltop.) I moved from the south shore to the north, out to Rocky Point before leaving LI. A friend there still sails out of Mt. Sinai Harbor (another mapping pilot). Still love the north shore, used to have a little Fiat X1/9, perfect for those roads with it's raging 1.5 liter engine. I could walk down to the cliffs and watch nor'easters blow in. John if you come out east, do visit. While in the air I told Dan about Commander 'spinner shots'. From every point of the globe there are those shots. Out of all the photos, I thought #25 was the best one. Dan is going to post that one to Airliners.net and he thinks it will be popular. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: John Vormbaum To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 12:49 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Great Day, Great Photos Steve, Tell Shaun's bro that those are great pics! You're making me miss my homeland..I grew up on the north shore of Long Island and I still love NY and visit every summer. NYC is an incredible place! It sure looks like you had picture perfect weather too. Plus, as a Commander pilot I never get tired of "spinner shots". How many times have I looked out my window and seen myself reflected in the spinner, and just had to give myself a Thumbs Up (check out that handsome devil lucky enough to fly this bad@ss piece of machinery!). I find it amusing that NY pilots use tunnels as landmarks. If that isn't NY-pilot elitism, I don't know what is. New Yorkers are all the same. Doesn't matter if you drive a hot dog stand, a cab or an aircraft. As far as the Piaggio P-180 (the "flying Catfish"), I've heard that it is a very nice-flying airplane. I've also heard that if you can see the end of the runway, it's not nearly long enough. Even on a cold day. Oh well, airplanes are always give-and-take. They sure are fast for a prop plane. /J From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at Col-East Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:09 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: Great Day, Great Photos Hey Commander gang, Shaun our cameraman has a brother just crazy over aircraft. He is one of those guys sitting out at the end of runways taking pictures of airliners for sites like airliners.net. He's now published and sells photos on the web and to corporate flight departments. Saturday we did something I had been meaning to do for a long time. We were able to pick him up outside Boston and take him with us for a day. I was glad to do it, and we had a nice surprise for him. We started with some fairly boring work between Rhode Island and New Hampshire, but we were working with a Boston Bravo clearance, which I think he enjoyed. We pit-stopped for fuel in Connecticut, where a friendly Piaggio crew let Dan aboard an aircraft he hadn't been up close to. (These things have grown on me. Maintenance looks horrendous.) Left CT and headed south for Long Island. South of Fire Island, we dropped down to 500 feet and drove all the way to the entrance of the VFR corridor, passing a couple miles south of JFK and under their arrivals, and passing all of the other famous landmarks like Coney Island. Jumped back up to 1100 feet and headed up north over the Verrazano Bridge into New York Harbor. Dan ripped off hundreds of photos I guess, with some of them some real keepers. Classic Commander spinner shot of Lower Manhattan looking east, midtown, uptown, the Intrepid Museum. (A national tradegy the Twin Towers are still a hole in the ground. They should have been put right back up again.) Very busy with helicopter traffic. Really busy. (I always forget the copter guys use the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels for callout positions. Whose idea was that? How do you locate a *&^%$& tunnel from the air?) We had a real job with vertical photography in the Bronx, so I had to call up LaGuardia to negotiate access to our precoordinated survey location. Gave Dan the opportunity for a pass over the George Washington Bridge, and a tight U-turn over the Hudson back over the GWB to intercept our line to the northeast and sneak under departing LGA traffic, and then back to Worcester to drop Dan off, and finally home. The point of all this (besides being pleasantly surprised I remember how to do it) is that Dan took some great photos of the day. If you put your cursor in the photo you can view a much larger version. http://dvincent.smugmug.com/gallery/7686534_q6ayC#496531070_yB3mp Steve http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:06:43 AM PST US From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Great Day, Great Photos We still have beach property on the north shore...in fact, I married my wife there. LI is an awesome place, from April to October. The rest of the year I'm happy to stay here in CA. I'll definitely ring you up when I'm there. I've been meaning to fly my 500B out there, maybe this will be the year.... /J _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:38 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Great Day, Great Photos Glad folks liked the pictures. Hi John! It is an awesome place, isn't it! Back when the LIRR was running diesels on the southern line, as kids we'd jump on a train and ride in to go listen to jazz or spend time doing whatever it was we did. I remember riding between the cars on the way home watching the scenery flash by in the dark. Or maybe take the old '67 Cougar or Diplomat (ex-police!) through the Queens-Midtown tunnel and mash the peddle to the floor to hear the secondaries howl. Two weeks ago I drove the pick-em up truck down from Vermont to Brooklyn to visit a jazz musician friend. I still love the place. When I called up Lagaurdia tower to get their fax number, the controller yelled to his buddy "Hey Tony, what's our fax number?" Perfect...... You're right on about New Yorkers from and around the City. (It is nice going home to my Vermont hilltop.) I moved from the south shore to the north, out to Rocky Point before leaving LI. A friend there still sails out of Mt. Sinai Harbor (another mapping pilot). Still love the north shore, used to have a little Fiat X1/9, perfect for those roads with it's raging 1.5 liter engine. I could walk down to the cliffs and watch nor'easters blow in. John if you come out east, do visit. While in the air I told Dan about Commander 'spinner shots'. From every point of the globe there are those shots. Out of all the photos, I thought #25 was the best one. Dan is going to post that one to Airliners.net and he thinks it will be popular. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: John Vormbaum Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 12:49 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Great Day, Great Photos Steve, Tell Shaun's bro that those are great pics! You're making me miss my homeland..I grew up on the north shore of Long Island and I still love NY and visit every summer. NYC is an incredible place! It sure looks like you had picture perfect weather too. Plus, as a Commander pilot I never get tired of "spinner shots". How many times have I looked out my window and seen myself reflected in the spinner, and just had to give myself a Thumbs Up (check out that handsome devil lucky enough to fly this bad@ss piece of machinery!). I find it amusing that NY pilots use tunnels as landmarks. If that isn't NY-pilot elitism, I don't know what is. New Yorkers are all the same. Doesn't matter if you drive a hot dog stand, a cab or an aircraft. As far as the Piaggio P-180 (the "flying Catfish"), I've heard that it is a very nice-flying airplane. I've also heard that if you can see the end of the runway, it's not nearly long enough. Even on a cold day. Oh well, airplanes are always give-and-take. They sure are fast for a prop plane. /J From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at Col-East Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:09 AM Subject: Commander-List: Great Day, Great Photos Hey Commander gang, Shaun our cameraman has a brother just crazy over aircraft. He is one of those guys sitting out at the end of runways taking pictures of airliners for sites like airliners.net. He's now published and sells photos on the web and to corporate flight departments. Saturday we did something I had been meaning to do for a long time. We were able to pick him up outside Boston and take him with us for a day. I was glad to do it, and we had a nice surprise for him. We started with some fairly boring work between Rhode Island and New Hampshire, but we were working with a Boston Bravo clearance, which I think he enjoyed. We pit-stopped for fuel in Connecticut, where a friendly Piaggio crew let Dan aboard an aircraft he hadn't been up close to. (These things have grown on me. Maintenance looks horrendous.) Left CT and headed south for Long Island. South of Fire Island, we dropped down to 500 feet and drove all the way to the entrance of the VFR corridor, passing a couple miles south of JFK and under their arrivals, and passing all of the other famous landmarks like Coney Island. Jumped back up to 1100 feet and headed up north over the Verrazano Bridge into New York Harbor. Dan ripped off hundreds of photos I guess, with some of them some real keepers. Classic Commander spinner shot of Lower Manhattan looking east, midtown, uptown, the Intrepid Museum. (A national tradegy the Twin Towers are still a hole in the ground. They should have been put right back up again.) Very busy with helicopter traffic. Really busy. (I always forget the copter guys use the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels for callout positions. Whose idea was that? How do you locate a *&^%$& tunnel from the air?) We had a real job with vertical photography in the Bronx, so I had to call up LaGuardia to negotiate access to our precoordinated survey location. Gave Dan the opportunity for a pass over the George Washington Bridge, and a tight U-turn over the Hudson back over the GWB to intercept our line to the northeast and sneak under departing LGA traffic, and then back to Worcester to drop Dan off, and finally home. The point of all this (besides being pleasantly surprised I remember how to do it) is that Dan took some great photos of the day. If you put your cursor in the photo you can view a much larger version. http://dvincent.smugmug.com/gallery/7686534_q6ayC#496531070_yB3mp Steve http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:06:43 AM PST US From: "L D GIROD" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Great Day, Great Photos I pulled up the Piaggio's P-180 II, web page and it stated it needed less than 3000 feet for takeoff and landing, not as good as my Commander, but not bad for a plane that grosses at 12K., will climb to 41K and go 400Kts. Saw everything but a price tag. Probably a reason! Don ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 1:25 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Great Day, Great Photos John, I was wondering about the maintenance remark concerning the Piaggio's. I stopped at our local watering hole (Camarillo, CA) the other day and saw the local Piaggio being serviced. There were a lot of folks around the 180 working things here and dabbing things there to get it ready for the next flight. Maybe someone on the list would know if it's really such a good option to a jet. I have taken a fancy to the Premier because of its speed, but, as you said, there are always tradeoffs. Nico ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 9:50 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Great Day, Great Photos Steve, Tell Shaun's bro that those are great pics! You're making me miss my homeland..I grew up on the north shore of Long Island and I still love NY and visit every summer. NYC is an incredible place! It sure looks like you had picture perfect weather too. Plus, as a Commander pilot I never get tired of "spinner shots". How many times have I looked out my window and seen myself reflected in the spinner, and just had to give myself a Thumbs Up (check out that handsome devil lucky enough to fly this bad@ss piece of machinery!). I find it amusing that NY pilots use tunnels as landmarks. If that isn't NY-pilot elitism, I don't know what is. New Yorkers are all the same. Doesn't matter if you drive a hot dog stand, a cab or an aircraft. As far as the Piaggio P-180 (the "flying Catfish"), I've heard that it is a very nice-flying airplane. I've also heard that if you can see the end of the runway, it's not nearly long enough. Even on a cold day. Oh well, airplanes are always give-and-take. They sure are fast for a prop plane. /J From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at Col-East Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:09 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: Great Day, Great Photos Hey Commander gang, Shaun our cameraman has a brother just crazy over aircraft. He is one of those guys sitting out at the end of runways taking pictures of airliners for sites like airliners.net. He's now published and sells photos on the web and to corporate flight departments. Saturday we did something I had been meaning to do for a long time. We were able to pick him up outside Boston and take him with us for a day. I was glad to do it, and we had a nice surprise for him. We started with some fairly boring work between Rhode Island and New Hampshire, but we were working with a Boston Bravo clearance, which I think he enjoyed. We pit-stopped for fuel in Connecticut, where a friendly Piaggio crew let Dan aboard an aircraft he hadn't been up close to. (These things have grown on me. Maintenance looks horrendous.) Left CT and headed south for Long Island. South of Fire Island, we dropped down to 500 feet and drove all the way to the entrance of the VFR corridor, passing a couple miles south of JFK and under their arrivals, and passing all of the other famous landmarks like Coney Island. Jumped back up to 1100 feet and headed up north over the Verrazano Bridge into New York Harbor. Dan ripped off hundreds of photos I guess, with some of them some real keepers. Classic Commander spinner shot of Lower Manhattan looking east, midtown, uptown, the Intrepid Museum. (A national tradegy the Twin Towers are still a hole in the ground. They should have been put right back up again.) Very busy with helicopter traffic. Really busy. (I always forget the copter guys use the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels for callout positions. Whose idea was that? How do you locate a *&^%$& tunnel from the air?) We had a real job with vertical photography in the Bronx, so I had to call up LaGuardia to negotiate access to our precoordinated survey location. Gave Dan the opportunity for a pass over the George Washington Bridge, and a tight U-turn over the Hudson back over the GWB to intercept our line to the northeast and sneak under departing LGA traffic, and then back to Worcester to drop Dan off, and finally home. The point of all this (besides being pleasantly surprised I remember how to do it) is that Dan took some great photos of the day. If you put your cursor in the photo you can view a much larger version. http://dvincent.smugmug.com/gallery/7686534_q6ayC#496531070_yB3mp Steve http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:17 PM PST US From: Donnie Rose Subject: Commander-List: gauge Anyone have- an overhauled manifold pressure gauge for trade? Mine has a sticky needle.=0A=0Athanks=0A=0A-=0ADonnie Rose =0A205/492-8444=0A=0A=0A =0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:35:15 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: Commander-List: He cannot be serious. 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