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1. 04:31 AM - Re: Fw: gauge (Roland Gilliam)
2. 05:36 AM - Re: Hawaii (Steve W)
3. 06:11 AM - Re: Hawaii (nico css)
4. 06:47 AM - Re: Hawaii (Steve W)
5. 10:10 AM - Re: Hawaii (John Vormbaum)
6. 01:32 PM - Re: Hawaii (Harry Merritt)
7. 01:42 PM - Re: Hawaii (John Vormbaum)
8. 02:05 PM - Re: Hawaii (Jim Addington)
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Have you tried Harry Merritt?? I think his email has changed from the one I
have.
Roland Gilliam AC500 6291B
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Subject: Commander-List: Fw: gauge
Donnie Rose
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Subject: gauge
Anyone have an overhauled manifold pressure gauge for trade? Mine has a st
icky needle.
thanks
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Don't know if my response will be helpful at all, but.... I've mentioned
our running lean of peak with the GAMI injectors on our 500B. Mark, the
prez of the company, experimented with a lot of different settings, and
I'd played some too.
Doing long lines of block flying Mark got total fuel flow down to a
reliable 21.5gph total at 22" and 2150rpm. (If the heat was on it would
be more.) This generated a fairly consistent 150 something knots in the
lower altitudes, usually plus a couple knots. If I remember right
(probably don't) by the wiz wheel this was about 55 percent power, but
that's not the whole story. Actual power may have been lower as we were
running more lean than 50 or 75 degrees.
Being younger or more impatient I'd push the handles up to put back some
of the power lost from leaning.
I've now had the pleasure of running a couple engines now with Mark,
four or five hundred hours past TBO (1400 hr engines) and the top ends
all retired with high seventies or eighty compression. I don't want to
hurt their business, but we just rebuilt a Penn Yann engine at 900 hours
(very dissapointing!) and the cylinder shop said the jugs were like new.
(That was like bringing home a good report card!) A couple engine builds
back we did have a set of chrome jugs loose the choke at the top of the
cylinder, but this too was somewhere around 1800 hours (or 19).
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: willis robison
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:56 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hawaii
Range is always a good topic.
What is the best range for the 500S, 560 and 680 series? (We
know the published range)
Has anyone ever ferried to or from Hawaii and the mainland?
thanks.
WER
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1400 TBO on a 500B? What kind of engines were they?
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:30 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hawaii
Don't know if my response will be helpful at all, but.... I've mentioned our
running lean of peak with the GAMI injectors on our 500B. Mark, the prez of
the company, experimented with a lot of different settings, and I'd played
some too.
Doing long lines of block flying Mark got total fuel flow down to a reliable
21.5gph total at 22" and 2150rpm. (If the heat was on it would be more.)
This generated a fairly consistent 150 something knots in the lower
altitudes, usually plus a couple knots. If I remember right (probably don't)
by the wiz wheel this was about 55 percent power, but that's not the whole
story. Actual power may have been lower as we were running more lean than 50
or 75 degrees.
Being younger or more impatient I'd push the handles up to put back some of
the power lost from leaning.
I've now had the pleasure of running a couple engines now with Mark, four or
five hundred hours past TBO (1400 hr engines) and the top ends all retired
with high seventies or eighty compression. I don't want to hurt their
business, but we just rebuilt a Penn Yann engine at 900 hours (very
dissapointing!) and the cylinder shop said the jugs were like new. (That was
like bringing home a good report card!) A couple engine builds back we did
have a set of chrome jugs loose the choke at the top of the cylinder, but
this too was somewhere around 1800 hours (or 19).
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: willis robison <mailto:drwer2@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:56 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hawaii
Range is always a good topic.
What is the best range for the 500S, 560 and 680 series? (We know the
published range)
Has anyone ever ferried to or from Hawaii and the mainland?
thanks.
WER
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Nico,
The old narrow deck IO-540's on the 500B have a 1400 hour TBO. The wide
deck engines have the longer TBO.
Looking at the cases of the narrow deck and the wear of internal
components, we've been comfortable with somewhere around the 18 or 19
hundred hours we're getting, but I'm not sure we would go longer.
This last Penn Yann engine developed a leak between the case halves at
900 or so hours that leaked out a cylinder stud, one that spans the
case. There was obvious fretting of the case and the main bearings
looked funky for only 900 hours. We're not happy about that. We're going
to balance the props to try to keep the internal stresses and vibes at a
minimum.
I would guess Central Air must have these engines down to a science.
You can upgrade to later wide deck IO-540's, but I'm pretty sure that
has to be both sides at the same time, which is a little pricey. You can
only surface the mating halves a couple times. The old cases aren't
being made anymore and are starting to get scarce.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:10 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hawaii
1400 TBO on a 500B? What kind of engines were they?
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:30 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hawaii
Don't know if my response will be helpful at all, but.... I've
mentioned our running lean of peak with the GAMI injectors on our 500B.
Mark, the prez of the company, experimented with a lot of different
settings, and I'd played some too.
Doing long lines of block flying Mark got total fuel flow down to a
reliable 21.5gph total at 22" and 2150rpm. (If the heat was on it would
be more.) This generated a fairly consistent 150 something knots in the
lower altitudes, usually plus a couple knots. If I remember right
(probably don't) by the wiz wheel this was about 55 percent power, but
that's not the whole story. Actual power may have been lower as we were
running more lean than 50 or 75 degrees.
Being younger or more impatient I'd push the handles up to put back
some of the power lost from leaning.
I've now had the pleasure of running a couple engines now with Mark,
four or five hundred hours past TBO (1400 hr engines) and the top ends
all retired with high seventies or eighty compression. I don't want to
hurt their business, but we just rebuilt a Penn Yann engine at 900 hours
(very dissapointing!) and the cylinder shop said the jugs were like new.
(That was like bringing home a good report card!) A couple engine builds
back we did have a set of chrome jugs loose the choke at the top of the
cylinder, but this too was somewhere around 1800 hours (or 19).
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: willis robison
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:56 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Hawaii
Range is always a good topic.
What is the best range for the 500S, 560 and 680 series? (We
know the published range)
Has anyone ever ferried to or from Hawaii and the mainland?
thanks.
WER
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My narrow deck engines on my 500B have a 1600 hour TB
O. I didn't know that there were some with only a 140
0 hour TBO.
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From: "Steve W" <steve2@sover.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hawaii
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The original engines had 7/16" exhaust valves and 1,200 HRS TBO, with
1/2" exhaust valves went to 1,400 HRS,
the E ingine has piston oilers ans a 1,600 TBO
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From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hawaii
My narrow deck engines on my 500B have a 1600 hour TBO. I didn't know
that there were some with only a 1400 hour TBO.
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From: "Steve W"
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:45:05 -0400
To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hawaii
Nico,
The old narrow deck IO-540's on the = 500B have a 1400 hour
TBO. The wide deck engines have the longer TBO.
Looking at the cases of the narrow deck = and the wear of
internal components, we've been comfortable with somewhere = around
the 18 or 19 hundred hours we're getting, but I'm not sure we would
go longer.
This last Penn Yann engine developed a = leak between the case
halves at 900 or so hours that leaked out a cylinder stud, one =
that spans the case. There was obvious fretting of the case and the
main = bearings looked funky for only 900 hours. We're not happy
about that. We're going = to balance the props to try to keep the
internal stresses and vibes at a minimum.
I would guess Central Air must have = these engines down to a
science.
You can upgrade to later wide deck = IO-540's, but I'm pretty
sure that has to be both sides at the same time, which is a =
little pricey. You can only surface the mating halves a couple
times. The old = cases aren't being made anymore and are starting
to get scarce.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list@matronics.com=
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 = 9:10 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: = Hawaii
1400 TBO on a 500B? What kind of engines were = they?
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
=Steve W
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:30 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hawaii
Don't know if my response will be = helpful at all, but....
I've mentioned our running lean of peak with the GAMI = injectors on
our 500B. Mark, the prez of the company, experimented with a lot of
= different settings, and I'd played some too.
Doing long lines of block flying Mark = got total fuel flow
down to a reliable 21.5gph total at 22" and 2150rpm. (If the =
heat was on it would be more.) This generated a fairly consistent
150 something knots in the lower altitudes, usually plus a couple
= knots. If I remember right (probably don't) by the wiz wheel
this was about 55 = percent power, but that's not the whole
story. Actual power may have been = lower as we were running more
lean than 50 or 75 degrees.
Being younger or more impatient I'd = push the handles up to
put back some of the power lost from = leaning.
I've now had the pleasure of running = a couple engines now
with Mark, four or five hundred hours past TBO (1400 hr =
engines) and the top ends all retired with high seventies or eighty
= compression. I don't want to hurt their business, but we just
rebuilt a Penn Yann = engine at 900 hours (very dissapointing!)
and the cylinder shop said the jugs = were like new. (That was
like bringing home a good report card!) A couple engine builds back
we did have a set of chrome jugs loose the = choke at the top of
the cylinder, but this too was somewhere around 1800 hours = (or
19).
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: willis = robison
To: commander-list@matronics.com=
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 = 8:56 PM
Subject: Commander-List: = Hawaii
Range is always a good topic.
What is the best range for the 500S, 560 and 680 = series?
(We know the published range)
Has anyone ever ferried to or from Hawaii and = the
mainland?
thanks.
WER
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Harry, thanks for the explanation. 10 years of Commander
ownership and I'm still learning things about these airplan
es on a regular basis!
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From: "Harry Merritt" <avtectwo@cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hawaii
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Don't feel bad, I got my 500A 01APR1981 and am still learning things too.
Jim A
N444BD
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Vormbaum
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hawaii
From: John = Vormbaum
nico css
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 = 9:10 = AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: = = Hawaii
1400 TBO on a = 500B? What kind of engines were = they?
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
=Steve W
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:30 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hawaii
Don't know if my response will be = = helpful at all, but.... I've
mentioned our running lean of peak with = the GAMI = injectors on
our 500B. Mark, the prez of the company, = experimented with a lot
of = different settings, and I'd played some = too.
Doing long lines of block flying = Mark = got total fuel flow down
to a reliable 21.5gph total at 22" and = 2150rpm. (If the = heat
was on it would be more.) This generated a fairly = consistent 150
something knots in the lower altitudes, usually plus a = couple =
knots. If I remember right (probably don't) by the wiz wheel = this
was about 55 = percent power, but that's not the whole story.
Actual power may have been = lower as we were running more lean
than 50 or = 75 degrees.
Being younger or more impatient = I'd = push the handles up to put
back some of the power lost from = leaning.
I've now had the pleasure of = running = a couple engines now with
Mark, four or five hundred hours past = TBO (1400 hr = engines)
and the top ends all retired with high = seventies or eighty
compression. I don't want to hurt their business, but we = just rebuilt
a Penn Yann = engine at 900 hours (very dissapointing!) and the
cylinder shop said the jugs = were like new. (That was like
bringing = home a good report card!) A couple engine builds back we
did have a = set of chrome jugs loose the = choke at the top of
the cylinder, but = this too was somewhere around 1800 hours = (or
19).
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: willis = robison
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 = 8:56 = PM
Subject: Commander-List: = Hawaii
Range is always a good topic.
What is the best range for the 500S, 560 and 680 = series? (We
know the published range)
Has anyone ever ferried to or from Hawaii = and = the mainland?
thanks.
WER
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