---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/28/09: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:31 AM - Re: Fw: gauge (Roland Gilliam) 2. 05:36 AM - Re: Hawaii (Steve W) 3. 06:11 AM - Re: Hawaii (nico css) 4. 06:47 AM - Re: Hawaii (Steve W) 5. 10:10 AM - Re: Hawaii (John Vormbaum) 6. 01:32 PM - Re: Hawaii (Harry Merritt) 7. 01:42 PM - Re: Hawaii (John Vormbaum) 8. 02:05 PM - Re: Hawaii (Jim Addington) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:31:35 AM PST US From: Roland Gilliam Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fw: gauge Have you tried Harry Merritt?? I think his email has changed from the one I have. Roland Gilliam AC500 6291B From: aquadiver99@yahoo.com Subject: Commander-List: Fw: gauge Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Donnie Rose Sent: Tuesday=2C March 24=2C 2009 2:19:30 PM Subject: gauge Anyone have an overhauled manifold pressure gauge for trade? Mine has a st icky needle. thanks Donnie Rose 205/492-8444 _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live=99 SkyDrive: Get 25 GB of free online storage. http://windowslive.com/online/skydrive?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_032009 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:46 AM PST US From: "Steve W" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hawaii Don't know if my response will be helpful at all, but.... I've mentioned our running lean of peak with the GAMI injectors on our 500B. Mark, the prez of the company, experimented with a lot of different settings, and I'd played some too. Doing long lines of block flying Mark got total fuel flow down to a reliable 21.5gph total at 22" and 2150rpm. (If the heat was on it would be more.) This generated a fairly consistent 150 something knots in the lower altitudes, usually plus a couple knots. If I remember right (probably don't) by the wiz wheel this was about 55 percent power, but that's not the whole story. Actual power may have been lower as we were running more lean than 50 or 75 degrees. Being younger or more impatient I'd push the handles up to put back some of the power lost from leaning. I've now had the pleasure of running a couple engines now with Mark, four or five hundred hours past TBO (1400 hr engines) and the top ends all retired with high seventies or eighty compression. I don't want to hurt their business, but we just rebuilt a Penn Yann engine at 900 hours (very dissapointing!) and the cylinder shop said the jugs were like new. (That was like bringing home a good report card!) A couple engine builds back we did have a set of chrome jugs loose the choke at the top of the cylinder, but this too was somewhere around 1800 hours (or 19). Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: willis robison To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:56 PM Subject: Commander-List: Hawaii Range is always a good topic. What is the best range for the 500S, 560 and 680 series? (We know the published range) Has anyone ever ferried to or from Hawaii and the mainland? thanks. WER ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:29 AM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hawaii 1400 TBO on a 500B? What kind of engines were they? _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:30 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hawaii Don't know if my response will be helpful at all, but.... I've mentioned our running lean of peak with the GAMI injectors on our 500B. Mark, the prez of the company, experimented with a lot of different settings, and I'd played some too. Doing long lines of block flying Mark got total fuel flow down to a reliable 21.5gph total at 22" and 2150rpm. (If the heat was on it would be more.) This generated a fairly consistent 150 something knots in the lower altitudes, usually plus a couple knots. If I remember right (probably don't) by the wiz wheel this was about 55 percent power, but that's not the whole story. Actual power may have been lower as we were running more lean than 50 or 75 degrees. Being younger or more impatient I'd push the handles up to put back some of the power lost from leaning. I've now had the pleasure of running a couple engines now with Mark, four or five hundred hours past TBO (1400 hr engines) and the top ends all retired with high seventies or eighty compression. I don't want to hurt their business, but we just rebuilt a Penn Yann engine at 900 hours (very dissapointing!) and the cylinder shop said the jugs were like new. (That was like bringing home a good report card!) A couple engine builds back we did have a set of chrome jugs loose the choke at the top of the cylinder, but this too was somewhere around 1800 hours (or 19). Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: willis robison Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:56 PM Subject: Commander-List: Hawaii Range is always a good topic. What is the best range for the 500S, 560 and 680 series? (We know the published range) Has anyone ever ferried to or from Hawaii and the mainland? thanks. WER href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:46 AM PST US From: "Steve W" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hawaii Nico, The old narrow deck IO-540's on the 500B have a 1400 hour TBO. The wide deck engines have the longer TBO. Looking at the cases of the narrow deck and the wear of internal components, we've been comfortable with somewhere around the 18 or 19 hundred hours we're getting, but I'm not sure we would go longer. This last Penn Yann engine developed a leak between the case halves at 900 or so hours that leaked out a cylinder stud, one that spans the case. There was obvious fretting of the case and the main bearings looked funky for only 900 hours. We're not happy about that. We're going to balance the props to try to keep the internal stresses and vibes at a minimum. I would guess Central Air must have these engines down to a science. You can upgrade to later wide deck IO-540's, but I'm pretty sure that has to be both sides at the same time, which is a little pricey. You can only surface the mating halves a couple times. The old cases aren't being made anymore and are starting to get scarce. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 9:10 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Hawaii 1400 TBO on a 500B? What kind of engines were they? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:30 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hawaii Don't know if my response will be helpful at all, but.... I've mentioned our running lean of peak with the GAMI injectors on our 500B. Mark, the prez of the company, experimented with a lot of different settings, and I'd played some too. Doing long lines of block flying Mark got total fuel flow down to a reliable 21.5gph total at 22" and 2150rpm. (If the heat was on it would be more.) This generated a fairly consistent 150 something knots in the lower altitudes, usually plus a couple knots. If I remember right (probably don't) by the wiz wheel this was about 55 percent power, but that's not the whole story. Actual power may have been lower as we were running more lean than 50 or 75 degrees. Being younger or more impatient I'd push the handles up to put back some of the power lost from leaning. I've now had the pleasure of running a couple engines now with Mark, four or five hundred hours past TBO (1400 hr engines) and the top ends all retired with high seventies or eighty compression. I don't want to hurt their business, but we just rebuilt a Penn Yann engine at 900 hours (very dissapointing!) and the cylinder shop said the jugs were like new. (That was like bringing home a good report card!) A couple engine builds back we did have a set of chrome jugs loose the choke at the top of the cylinder, but this too was somewhere around 1800 hours (or 19). Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: willis robison To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:56 PM Subject: Commander-List: Hawaii Range is always a good topic. What is the best range for the 500S, 560 and 680 series? (We know the published range) Has anyone ever ferried to or from Hawaii and the mainland? thanks. WER href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hawaii From: "John Vormbaum" My narrow deck engines on my 500B have a 1600 hour TB O. I didn't know that there were some with only a 140 0 hour TBO. -----Original Message----- From: "Steve W" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hawaii This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:32:14 PM PST US From: "Harry Merritt" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hawaii The original engines had 7/16" exhaust valves and 1,200 HRS TBO, with 1/2" exhaust valves went to 1,400 HRS, the E ingine has piston oilers ans a 1,600 TBO ----- Original Message ----- From: John Vormbaum To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:05 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hawaii My narrow deck engines on my 500B have a 1600 hour TBO. I didn't know that there were some with only a 1400 hour TBO. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: "Steve W" Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:45:05 -0400 To: Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hawaii Nico, The old narrow deck IO-540's on the = 500B have a 1400 hour TBO. The wide deck engines have the longer TBO. Looking at the cases of the narrow deck = and the wear of internal components, we've been comfortable with somewhere = around the 18 or 19 hundred hours we're getting, but I'm not sure we would go longer. This last Penn Yann engine developed a = leak between the case halves at 900 or so hours that leaked out a cylinder stud, one = that spans the case. There was obvious fretting of the case and the main = bearings looked funky for only 900 hours. We're not happy about that. We're going = to balance the props to try to keep the internal stresses and vibes at a minimum. I would guess Central Air must have = these engines down to a science. You can upgrade to later wide deck = IO-540's, but I'm pretty sure that has to be both sides at the same time, which is a = little pricey. You can only surface the mating halves a couple times. The old = cases aren't being made anymore and are starting to get scarce. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list@matronics.com= Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 = 9:10 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: = Hawaii 1400 TBO on a 500B? What kind of engines were = they? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander= -list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of =Steve W Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:30 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hawaii Don't know if my response will be = helpful at all, but.... I've mentioned our running lean of peak with the GAMI = injectors on our 500B. Mark, the prez of the company, experimented with a lot of = different settings, and I'd played some too. Doing long lines of block flying Mark = got total fuel flow down to a reliable 21.5gph total at 22" and 2150rpm. (If the = heat was on it would be more.) This generated a fairly consistent 150 something knots in the lower altitudes, usually plus a couple = knots. If I remember right (probably don't) by the wiz wheel this was about 55 = percent power, but that's not the whole story. Actual power may have been = lower as we were running more lean than 50 or 75 degrees. Being younger or more impatient I'd = push the handles up to put back some of the power lost from = leaning. I've now had the pleasure of running = a couple engines now with Mark, four or five hundred hours past TBO (1400 hr = engines) and the top ends all retired with high seventies or eighty = compression. I don't want to hurt their business, but we just rebuilt a Penn Yann = engine at 900 hours (very dissapointing!) and the cylinder shop said the jugs = were like new. (That was like bringing home a good report card!) A couple engine builds back we did have a set of chrome jugs loose the = choke at the top of the cylinder, but this too was somewhere around 1800 hours = (or 19). Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: willis = robison To: commander-list@matronics.com= Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 = 8:56 PM Subject: Commander-List: = Hawaii Range is always a good topic. What is the best range for the 500S, 560 and 680 = series? (We know the published range) Has anyone ever ferried to or from Hawaii and = the mainland? thanks. 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Jim A N444BD _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Vormbaum Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:42 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hawaii From: John = Vormbaum nico css Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 = 9:10 = AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: = = Hawaii 1400 TBO on a = 500B? What kind of engines were = they? _____ From: owner-co= mmander= -list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of =Steve W Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:30 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Hawaii Don't know if my response will be = = helpful at all, but.... I've mentioned our running lean of peak with = the GAMI = injectors on our 500B. Mark, the prez of the company, = experimented with a lot of = different settings, and I'd played some = too. Doing long lines of block flying = Mark = got total fuel flow down to a reliable 21.5gph total at 22" and = 2150rpm. (If the = heat was on it would be more.) This generated a fairly = consistent 150 something knots in the lower altitudes, usually plus a = couple = knots. If I remember right (probably don't) by the wiz wheel = this was about 55 = percent power, but that's not the whole story. Actual power may have been = lower as we were running more lean than 50 or = 75 degrees. Being younger or more impatient = I'd = push the handles up to put back some of the power lost from = leaning. I've now had the pleasure of = running = a couple engines now with Mark, four or five hundred hours past = TBO (1400 hr = engines) and the top ends all retired with high = seventies or eighty compression. I don't want to hurt their business, but we = just rebuilt a Penn Yann = engine at 900 hours (very dissapointing!) and the cylinder shop said the jugs = were like new. (That was like bringing = home a good report card!) A couple engine builds back we did have a = set of chrome jugs loose the = choke at the top of the cylinder, but = this too was somewhere around 1800 hours = (or 19). Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: willis = robison Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 = 8:56 = PM Subject: Commander-List: = Hawaii Range is always a good topic. What is the best range for the 500S, 560 and 680 = series? (We know the published range) Has anyone ever ferried to or from Hawaii = and = the mainland? thanks. 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