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1. 07:22 AM - Re: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning? (Jim Addington)
2. 08:09 AM - Re: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning? (Robert Feldtman)
3. 08:33 AM - Re: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning? (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
4. 08:40 AM - Re: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning? (Jim Addington)
5. 08:52 AM - Re: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning? (Jim Addington)
6. 10:04 AM - Re: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning? (L D GIROD)
7. 10:23 AM - Re: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning? (Jim Addington)
8. 03:54 PM - Re: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning? (Robert Feldtman)
9. 05:04 PM - Re: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning? (Jim Addington)
10. 05:39 PM - Re: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning? (Robert Feldtman)
11. 05:41 PM - Re: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning? (Robert S. Randazzo)
12. 06:33 PM - Stec65 (Dan Farmer)
13. 06:44 PM - Re: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning? (Deneal Schilmeister (MacbookPro))
14. 08:56 PM - Re: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning? (Jim Addington)
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Robert,
My 500A was the one that S-Tec used for the STC after I hounded them for
three years. I had them install the 65 with all the whistles and bells and I
also was used to big iron where there was a warning when it disconnected.
That has been my only disappointment in that autopilot. I looked at my map
that was on a clip board and accidently laid it on the disconnect switch. We
were at night IFR and it started to drift off before I caught what had
happened. I have thought about putting a small cup under the switch so that
would not happen again but have not done it yet because I have not been able
to fly much in the last two years. A friend of mine drew out the plans for
putting trim and disconnect switches on the right side but have not done
that either. It has been a really good autopilot.
Jim Addington
500A
N444BD
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:15 AM
Subject: Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
Commanders-
Anyone here have much experience with the S-Tec System 65 autopilot?
At issue is whether or not there should be an aural warning when pressing
the A/P disconnect switch.
I'm spoiled by all the transport time where the A/P disconnect is announced
at about 5,000db... just to make sure you notice it.
I find it strange that when I hit the disco button on this autopilot- it
quietly releases the airplane without so much as a peep. What if it
disconnects in flight on it's own for some reason? EA301?
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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| Subject: | Re: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning? |
Assuming you are referring to the red disconnect switch on the yoke (horns)
-- I'd be cautious about putting anything that makes a quick disconnect
delayed in any fashion. Once on my turboprop commander, by myself, night
time, tired after a weekend of AF Reserve duty at Carswell, very busy (ATC
-
go fast to the OM at Hobby!)) I got very busy over the OM, and was flying
the autopilot coupled ILS approach - the elevator command went fairly
rapidly nose up as I lowered gear, and pulled back turboprop power to fligh
t
idle to slow down - it slowed down faster than I realized, and the AP
command was to stay on the glideslope, which meant go up, pitch up.
fortunately, I was aware and on top of it and was able to smoothly kill the
autopilot with the red quick dissconect on the yoke as I nosed it over a
little and added power. Any delay in doing that with a switch override -
could cause someone to have to fight the autopilot (which one COULD do - bu
t
t would be unusally hard push).... so I'd be careful changing out the quick
disconnect.
I didn't stall - but it scared me ( I was IMC during this - broke out
shortly later) - will be good to see what the big iron guys have to say
about this.
As a flight surgeon, it made me review what "my" limits should be in flying
IMC when tired, at night and single pilot. Something everyone should think
about.
bobf
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Jim Addington <jtaddington@verizon.net>wro
te:
> Robert,
>
> My 500A was the one that S-Tec used for the STC after I hounded them for
> three years. I had them install the 65 with all the whistles and bells an
d I
> also was used to big iron where there was a warning when it disconnected.
> That has been my only disappointment in that autopilot. I looked at my ma
p
> that was on a clip board and accidently laid it on the disconnect switch.
We
> were at night IFR and it started to drift off before I caught what had
> happened. I have thought about putting a small cup under the switch so th
at
> would not happen again but have not done it yet because I have not been a
ble
> to fly much in the last two years. A friend of mine drew out the plans fo
r
> putting trim and disconnect switches on the right side but have not done
> that either. It has been a really good autopilot.
>
> Jim Addington
>
> 500A
>
> N444BD
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert S.
> Randazzo
> *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2009 12:15 AM
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
>
>
> Commanders-
>
>
> Anyone here have much experience with the S-Tec System 65 autopilot?
>
>
> At issue is whether or not there should be an aural warning when pressing
> the A/P disconnect switch.
>
>
> I=92m spoiled by all the transport time where the A/P disconnect is annou
nced
> at about 5,000db... just to make sure you notice it=85
>
>
> I find it strange that when I hit the disco button on this autopilot- it
> quietly releases the airplane without so much as a peep. What if it
> disconnects in flight on it=92s own for some reason? EA301?
>
>
> Robert S. Randazzo
>
> N414C
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the century 2000 system in 70QT has the warning on first click or turbulanc
e disconnect. noise off w/ second click. gmc
Subject: Re: Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
From: bobf@feldtman.com
Assuming you are referring to the red disconnect switch on the yoke (horns)
-- I'd be cautious about putting anything that makes a quick disconnect de
layed in any fashion. Once on my turboprop commander=2C by myself=2C night
time=2C tired after a weekend of AF Reserve duty at Carswell=2C very busy (
ATC - go fast to the OM at Hobby!)) I got very busy over the OM=2C and was
flying the autopilot coupled ILS approach - the elevator command went fairl
y rapidly nose up as I lowered gear=2C and pulled back turboprop power to f
light idle to slow down - it slowed down faster than I realized=2C and the
AP command was to stay on the glideslope=2C which meant go up=2C pitch up.
fortunately=2C I was aware and on top of it and was able to smoothly kill t
he autopilot with the red quick dissconect on the yoke as I nosed it over a
little and added power. Any delay in doing that with a switch override - c
ould cause someone to have to fight the autopilot (which one COULD do - but
t would be unusally hard push).... so I'd be careful changing out the quic
k disconnect.
I didn't stall - but it scared me ( I was IMC during this - broke out short
ly later) - will be good to see what the big iron guys have to say about th
is.
As a flight surgeon=2C it made me review what "my" limits should be in flyi
ng IMC when tired=2C at night and single pilot. Something everyone should t
hink about.
bobf
On Mon=2C Mar 30=2C 2009 at 9:21 AM=2C Jim Addington <jtaddington@verizon.n
et> wrote:
Robert=2C
My 500A was the one that S-Tec used for the STC after I hounded them for th
ree years. I had them install the 65 with all the whistles and bells and I
also was used to big iron where there was a warning when it disconnected. T
hat has been my only disappointment in that autopilot. I looked at my map t
hat was on a clip board and accidently laid it on the disconnect switch. We
were at night IFR and it started to drift off before I caught what had hap
pened. I have thought about putting a small cup under the switch so that wo
uld not happen again but have not done it yet because I have not been able
to fly much in the last two years. A friend of mine drew out the plans for
putting trim and disconnect switches on the right side but have not done th
at either. It has been a really good autopilot.
Jim Addington
500A
N444BD
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. Randazzo
Sent: Monday=2C March 30=2C 2009 12:15 AM
Subject: Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
Commanders-
Anyone here have much experience with the S-Tec System 65 autopilot?
At issue is whether or not there should be an aural warning when pressing t
he A/P disconnect switch.
I=92m spoiled by all the transport time where the A/P disconnect is announc
ed at about 5=2C000db... just to make sure you notice it=85
I find it strange that when I hit the disco button on this autopilot- it qu
ietly releases the airplane without so much as a peep. What if it disconne
cts in flight on it=92s own for some reason? EA301?
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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Navigator?Commander-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
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I was not going to change the switch, just put an upside down cap under it
so I can get to it but it would be protected from being accidently punched.
The L-1011 accident in FL many years ago is why the airlines went to the
warning. I have been surprised that the light plane auto pilots don't have
that. What did you fly in the AF Reserve? To tell you how old I am I flew
the B-47 and will have had my license 50 years the 24 of this month. I flew
for Delta for almost 33 years. My medical is in jeopardy though. They have
had it for four months and finally sent me a letter that it was going to the
neurologist. At least they have not said no yet. I had 9 different Drs.
check me from stem to stern and found nothing so I think it was what I
thought all along. I had been under a lot of stress with my wife's death and
we had painted the house inside and put down new carpet. The smells is what
I think was my problem because I have not had it since.
Jim
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
Assuming you are referring to the red disconnect switch on the yoke (horns)
-- I'd be cautious about putting anything that makes a quick disconnect
delayed in any fashion. Once on my turboprop commander, by myself, night
time, tired after a weekend of AF Reserve duty at Carswell, very busy (ATC -
go fast to the OM at Hobby!)) I got very busy over the OM, and was flying
the autopilot coupled ILS approach - the elevator command went fairly
rapidly nose up as I lowered gear, and pulled back turboprop power to flight
idle to slow down - it slowed down faster than I realized, and the AP
command was to stay on the glideslope, which meant go up, pitch up.
fortunately, I was aware and on top of it and was able to smoothly kill the
autopilot with the red quick dissconect on the yoke as I nosed it over a
little and added power. Any delay in doing that with a switch override -
could cause someone to have to fight the autopilot (which one COULD do - but
t would be unusally hard push).... so I'd be careful changing out the quick
disconnect.
I didn't stall - but it scared me ( I was IMC during this - broke out
shortly later) - will be good to see what the big iron guys have to say
about this.
As a flight surgeon, it made me review what "my" limits should be in flying
IMC when tired, at night and single pilot. Something everyone should think
about.
bobf
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Jim Addington <jtaddington@verizon.net>
wrote:
Robert,
My 500A was the one that S-Tec used for the STC after I hounded them for
three years. I had them install the 65 with all the whistles and bells and I
also was used to big iron where there was a warning when it disconnected.
That has been my only disappointment in that autopilot. I looked at my map
that was on a clip board and accidently laid it on the disconnect switch. We
were at night IFR and it started to drift off before I caught what had
happened. I have thought about putting a small cup under the switch so that
would not happen again but have not done it yet because I have not been able
to fly much in the last two years. A friend of mine drew out the plans for
putting trim and disconnect switches on the right side but have not done
that either. It has been a really good autopilot.
Jim Addington
500A
N444BD
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:15 AM
Subject: Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
Commanders-
Anyone here have much experience with the S-Tec System 65 autopilot?
At issue is whether or not there should be an aural warning when pressing
the A/P disconnect switch.
I'm spoiled by all the transport time where the A/P disconnect is announced
at about 5,000db... just to make sure you notice it.
I find it strange that when I hit the disco button on this autopilot- it
quietly releases the airplane without so much as a peep. What if it
disconnects in flight on it's own for some reason? EA301?
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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That is the way it should be, that is the way the airliners are and it works
great. Jim
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MASON
CHEVAILLIER
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 10:28 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
the century 2000 system in 70QT has the warning on first click or turbulance
disconnect. noise off w/ second click. gmc
_____
Subject: Re: Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
From: bobf@feldtman.com
Assuming you are referring to the red disconnect switch on the yoke (horns)
-- I'd be cautious about putting anything that makes a quick disconnect
delayed in any fashion. Once on my turboprop commander, by myself, night
time, tired after a weekend of AF Reserve duty at Carswell, very busy (ATC -
go fast to the OM at Hobby!)) I got very busy over the OM, and was flying
the autopilot coupled ILS approach - the elevator command went fairly
rapidly nose up as I lowered gear, and pulled back turboprop power to flight
idle to slow down - it slowed down faster than I realized, and the AP
command was to stay on the glideslope, which meant go up, pitch up.
fortunately, I was aware and on top of it and was able to smoothly kill the
autopilot with the red quick dissconect on the yoke as I nosed it over a
little and added power. Any delay in doing that with a switch override -
could cause someone to have to fight the autopilot (which one COULD do - but
t would be unusally hard push).... so I'd be careful changing out the quick
disconnect.
I didn't stall - but it scared me ( I was IMC during this - broke out
shortly later) - will be good to see what the big iron guys have to say
about this.
As a flight surgeon, it made me review what "my" limits should be in flying
IMC when tired, at night and single pilot. Something everyone should think
about.
bobf
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Jim Addington <jtaddington@verizon.net>
wrote:
Robert,
My 500A was the one that S-Tec used for the STC after I hounded them for
three years. I had them install the 65 with all the whistles and bells and I
also was used to big iron where there was a warning when it disconnected.
That has been my only disappointment in that autopilot. I looked at my map
that was on a clip board and accidently laid it on the disconnect switch. We
were at night IFR and it started to drift off before I caught what had
happened. I have thought about putting a small cup under the switch so that
would not happen again but have not done it yet because I have not been able
to fly much in the last two years. A friend of mine drew out the plans for
putting trim and disconnect switches on the right side but have not done
that either. It has been a really good autopilot.
Jim Addington
500A
N444BD
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:15 AM
Subject: Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
Commanders-
Anyone here have much experience with the S-Tec System 65 autopilot?
At issue is whether or not there should be an aural warning when pressing
the A/P disconnect switch.
I'm spoiled by all the transport time where the A/P disconnect is announced
at about 5,000db... just to make sure you notice it.
I find it strange that when I hit the disco button on this autopilot- it
quietly releases the airplane without so much as a peep. What if it
disconnects in flight on it's own for some reason? EA301?
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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| Subject: | Re: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning? |
Jim;
I think the L-1011 accident was because the autopilot on the L-1011 had
'control wheel steering', the crew pushed forward on the yoke trying to
check or change a gear light, and put enough pressure on the yoke to
start a very slow, 50 FPM as I recall decent. Since it was a manual
input the airplane thought that was what was desired and the 250 ft.
altitude warning was bypassed. They went back and rewired that command.
As I understand it, the auto pilot was never disengaged. That and some
non normal terminology from ATC, such as "Eastern, everything OK"
instead of asking why they had left their assigned altitude. As normal,
it was a series of mistakes that let to a tragic accident.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Addington
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:39 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
I was not going to change the switch, just put an upside down cap
under it so I can get to it but it would be protected from being
accidently punched. The L-1011 accident in FL many years ago is why the
airlines went to the warning. I have been surprised that the light plane
auto pilots don't have that. What did you fly in the AF Reserve? To tell
you how old I am I flew the B-47 and will have had my license 50 years
the 24 of this month. I flew for Delta for almost 33 years. My medical
is in jeopardy though. They have had it for four months and finally sent
me a letter that it was going to the neurologist. At least they have not
said no yet. I had 9 different Drs. check me from stem to stern and
found nothing so I think it was what I thought all along. I had been
under a lot of stress with my wife's death and we had painted the house
inside and put down new carpet. The smells is what I think was my
problem because I have not had it since.
Jim
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 10:08 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
Assuming you are referring to the red disconnect switch on the yoke
(horns) -- I'd be cautious about putting anything that makes a quick
disconnect delayed in any fashion. Once on my turboprop commander, by
myself, night time, tired after a weekend of AF Reserve duty at
Carswell, very busy (ATC - go fast to the OM at Hobby!)) I got very busy
over the OM, and was flying the autopilot coupled ILS approach - the
elevator command went fairly rapidly nose up as I lowered gear, and
pulled back turboprop power to flight idle to slow down - it slowed down
faster than I realized, and the AP command was to stay on the
glideslope, which meant go up, pitch up. fortunately, I was aware and on
top of it and was able to smoothly kill the autopilot with the red quick
dissconect on the yoke as I nosed it over a little and added power. Any
delay in doing that with a switch override - could cause someone to have
to fight the autopilot (which one COULD do - but t would be unusally
hard push).... so I'd be careful changing out the quick disconnect.
I didn't stall - but it scared me ( I was IMC during this - broke out
shortly later) - will be good to see what the big iron guys have to say
about this.
As a flight surgeon, it made me review what "my" limits should be in
flying IMC when tired, at night and single pilot. Something everyone
should think about.
bobf
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Jim Addington
<jtaddington@verizon.net> wrote:
Robert,
My 500A was the one that S-Tec used for the STC after I hounded them
for three years. I had them install the 65 with all the whistles and
bells and I also was used to big iron where there was a warning when it
disconnected. That has been my only disappointment in that autopilot. I
looked at my map that was on a clip board and accidently laid it on the
disconnect switch. We were at night IFR and it started to drift off
before I caught what had happened. I have thought about putting a small
cup under the switch so that would not happen again but have not done it
yet because I have not been able to fly much in the last two years. A
friend of mine drew out the plans for putting trim and disconnect
switches on the right side but have not done that either. It has been a
really good autopilot.
Jim Addington
500A
N444BD
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
S. Randazzo
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:15 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
Commanders-
Anyone here have much experience with the S-Tec System 65 autopilot?
At issue is whether or not there should be an aural warning when
pressing the A/P disconnect switch.
I'm spoiled by all the transport time where the A/P disconnect is
announced at about 5,000db... just to make sure you notice it.
I find it strange that when I hit the disco button on this autopilot-
it quietly releases the airplane without so much as a peep. What if it
disconnects in flight on it's own for some reason? EA301?
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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You could very well be right. I flew the L-1011 but retired 12 years ago and
can't remember where I laid my pen down two minutes ago any more. Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of L D GIROD
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
Jim;
I think the L-1011 accident was because the autopilot on the L-1011 had
'control wheel steering', the crew pushed forward on the yoke trying to
check or change a gear light, and put enough pressure on the yoke to start a
very slow, 50 FPM as I recall decent. Since it was a manual input the
airplane thought that was what was desired and the 250 ft. altitude warning
was bypassed. They went back and rewired that command. As I understand it,
the auto pilot was never disengaged. That and some non normal terminology
from ATC, such as "Eastern, everything OK" instead of asking why they had
left their assigned altitude. As normal, it was a series of mistakes that
let to a tragic accident.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim <mailto:jtaddington@verizon.net> Addington
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:39 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
I was not going to change the switch, just put an upside down cap under it
so I can get to it but it would be protected from being accidently punched.
The L-1011 accident in FL many years ago is why the airlines went to the
warning. I have been surprised that the light plane auto pilots don't have
that. What did you fly in the AF Reserve? To tell you how old I am I flew
the B-47 and will have had my license 50 years the 24 of this month. I flew
for Delta for almost 33 years. My medical is in jeopardy though. They have
had it for four months and finally sent me a letter that it was going to the
neurologist. At least they have not said no yet. I had 9 different Drs.
check me from stem to stern and found nothing so I think it was what I
thought all along. I had been under a lot of stress with my wife's death and
we had painted the house inside and put down new carpet. The smells is what
I think was my problem because I have not had it since.
Jim
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
Assuming you are referring to the red disconnect switch on the yoke (horns)
-- I'd be cautious about putting anything that makes a quick disconnect
delayed in any fashion. Once on my turboprop commander, by myself, night
time, tired after a weekend of AF Reserve duty at Carswell, very busy (ATC -
go fast to the OM at Hobby!)) I got very busy over the OM, and was flying
the autopilot coupled ILS approach - the elevator command went fairly
rapidly nose up as I lowered gear, and pulled back turboprop power to flight
idle to slow down - it slowed down faster than I realized, and the AP
command was to stay on the glideslope, which meant go up, pitch up.
fortunately, I was aware and on top of it and was able to smoothly kill the
autopilot with the red quick dissconect on the yoke as I nosed it over a
little and added power. Any delay in doing that with a switch override -
could cause someone to have to fight the autopilot (which one COULD do - but
t would be unusally hard push).... so I'd be careful changing out the quick
disconnect.
I didn't stall - but it scared me ( I was IMC during this - broke out
shortly later) - will be good to see what the big iron guys have to say
about this.
As a flight surgeon, it made me review what "my" limits should be in flying
IMC when tired, at night and single pilot. Something everyone should think
about.
bobf
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Jim Addington <jtaddington@verizon.net>
wrote:
Robert,
My 500A was the one that S-Tec used for the STC after I hounded them for
three years. I had them install the 65 with all the whistles and bells and I
also was used to big iron where there was a warning when it disconnected.
That has been my only disappointment in that autopilot. I looked at my map
that was on a clip board and accidently laid it on the disconnect switch. We
were at night IFR and it started to drift off before I caught what had
happened. I have thought about putting a small cup under the switch so that
would not happen again but have not done it yet because I have not been able
to fly much in the last two years. A friend of mine drew out the plans for
putting trim and disconnect switches on the right side but have not done
that either. It has been a really good autopilot.
Jim Addington
500A
N444BD
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:15 AM
Subject: Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
Commanders-
Anyone here have much experience with the S-Tec System 65 autopilot?
At issue is whether or not there should be an aural warning when pressing
the A/P disconnect switch.
I'm spoiled by all the transport time where the A/P disconnect is announced
at about 5,000db... just to make sure you notice it.
I find it strange that when I hit the disco button on this autopilot- it
quietly releases the airplane without so much as a peep. What if it
disconnects in flight on it's own for some reason? EA301?
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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I flew a stethoscope and scalpel.... along with being a flight surgeon in
some airplanes and helicopters but could never log "stick time: :):) Back
in the good ol' days of medicine, it allowed me the ability to have a
turbo-commander - at 70 gals per hour/ but no longer! Lucky to have a
glastar that burns 7 gals per hour/
Larry Pullen and Tom LeBootllier are good buddies of mine from Delta who
have flown my commanders when we have gone fishing. They've long lost their
medicals due to heart problems. but we stay in touch.
bobf
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Jim Addington <jtaddington@verizon.net>wr
ote:
> I was not going to change the switch, just put an upside down cap under
> it so I can get to it but it would be protected from being accidently
> punched. The L-1011 accident in FL many years ago is why the airlines wen
t
> to the warning. I have been surprised that the light plane auto pilots do
n=92t
> have that. What did you fly in the AF Reserve? To tell you how old I am I
> flew the B-47 and will have had my license 50 years the 24 of this month.
I
> flew for Delta for almost 33 years. My medical is in jeopardy though. The
y
> have had it for four months and finally sent me a letter that it was goin
g
> to the neurologist. At least they have not said no yet. I had 9 different
> Drs. check me from stem to stern and found nothing so I think it was what
> I thought all along. I had been under a lot of stress with my wife=92s de
ath
> and we had painted the house inside and put down new carpet. The smells i
s
> what I think was my problem because I have not had it since.
>
> Jim
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert Feldtman
> *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2009 10:08 AM
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
>
>
> Assuming you are referring to the red disconnect switch on the yoke (horn
s)
> -- I'd be cautious about putting anything that makes a quick disconnect
> delayed in any fashion. Once on my turboprop commander, by myself, night
> time, tired after a weekend of AF Reserve duty at Carswell, very busy (AT
C -
> go fast to the OM at Hobby!)) I got very busy over the OM, and was flying
> the autopilot coupled ILS approach - the elevator command went fairly
> rapidly nose up as I lowered gear, and pulled back turboprop power to fli
ght
> idle to slow down - it slowed down faster than I realized, and the AP
> command was to stay on the glideslope, which meant go up, pitch up.
> fortunately, I was aware and on top of it and was able to smoothly kill t
he
> autopilot with the red quick dissconect on the yoke as I nosed it over a
> little and added power. Any delay in doing that with a switch override -
> could cause someone to have to fight the autopilot (which one COULD do -
but
> t would be unusally hard push).... so I'd be careful changing out the qui
ck
> disconnect.
>
>
> I didn't stall - but it scared me ( I was IMC during this - broke out
> shortly later) - will be good to see what the big iron guys have to say
> about this.
>
>
> As a flight surgeon, it made me review what "my" limits should be in flyi
ng
> IMC when tired, at night and single pilot. Something everyone should thin
k
> about.
>
>
> bobf
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Jim Addington <jtaddington@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> Robert,
>
> My 500A was the one that S-Tec used for the STC after I hounded them for
> three years. I had them install the 65 with all the whistles and bells an
d I
> also was used to big iron where there was a warning when it disconnected.
> That has been my only disappointment in that autopilot. I looked at my ma
p
> that was on a clip board and accidently laid it on the disconnect switch.
We
> were at night IFR and it started to drift off before I caught what had
> happened. I have thought about putting a small cup under the switch so th
at
> would not happen again but have not done it yet because I have not been a
ble
> to fly much in the last two years. A friend of mine drew out the plans fo
r
> putting trim and disconnect switches on the right side but have not done
> that either. It has been a really good autopilot.
>
> Jim Addington
>
> 500A
>
> N444BD
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert S.
> Randazzo
> *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2009 12:15 AM
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
>
>
> Commanders-
>
>
> Anyone here have much experience with the S-Tec System 65 autopilot?
>
>
> At issue is whether or not there should be an aural warning when pressing
> the A/P disconnect switch.
>
>
> I=92m spoiled by all the transport time where the A/P disconnect is annou
nced
> at about 5,000db... just to make sure you notice it=85
>
>
> I find it strange that when I hit the disco button on this autopilot- it
> quietly releases the airplane without so much as a peep. What if it
> disconnects in flight on it=92s own for some reason? EA301?
>
>
> Robert S. Randazzo
>
> N414C
>
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>
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>
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I took my physical for the AF at Carswell and went through the altitude
chamber there too. This was in 1959. I almost forgot I got a B-36 ride there
too. I live in Denton and got on the 100th BW list and found out the
navigator we had on the crew at Pease AFB lives in Arlington and I joined
the QB's and ran in to t he Ops Officer of one of the squadrons lives in
Dallas. I had not seen either of them since 1963.
Jim
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
I flew a stethoscope and scalpel.... along with being a flight surgeon in
some airplanes and helicopters but could never log "stick time: :):) Back
in the good ol' days of medicine, it allowed me the ability to have a
turbo-commander - at 70 gals per hour/ but no longer! Lucky to have a
glastar that burns 7 gals per hour/
Larry Pullen and Tom LeBootllier are good buddies of mine from Delta who
have flown my commanders when we have gone fishing. They've long lost their
medicals due to heart problems. but we stay in touch.
bobf
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Jim Addington <jtaddington@verizon.net>
wrote:
I was not going to change the switch, just put an upside down cap under it
so I can get to it but it would be protected from being accidently punched.
The L-1011 accident in FL many years ago is why the airlines went to the
warning. I have been surprised that the light plane auto pilots don't have
that. What did you fly in the AF Reserve? To tell you how old I am I flew
the B-47 and will have had my license 50 years the 24 of this month. I flew
for Delta for almost 33 years. My medical is in jeopardy though. They have
had it for four months and finally sent me a letter that it was going to the
neurologist. At least they have not said no yet. I had 9 different Drs.
check me from stem to stern and found nothing so I think it was what I
thought all along. I had been under a lot of stress with my wife's death and
we had painted the house inside and put down new carpet. The smells is what
I think was my problem because I have not had it since.
Jim
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
Assuming you are referring to the red disconnect switch on the yoke (horns)
-- I'd be cautious about putting anything that makes a quick disconnect
delayed in any fashion. Once on my turboprop commander, by myself, night
time, tired after a weekend of AF Reserve duty at Carswell, very busy (ATC -
go fast to the OM at Hobby!)) I got very busy over the OM, and was flying
the autopilot coupled ILS approach - the elevator command went fairly
rapidly nose up as I lowered gear, and pulled back turboprop power to flight
idle to slow down - it slowed down faster than I realized, and the AP
command was to stay on the glideslope, which meant go up, pitch up.
fortunately, I was aware and on top of it and was able to smoothly kill the
autopilot with the red quick dissconect on the yoke as I nosed it over a
little and added power. Any delay in doing that with a switch override -
could cause someone to have to fight the autopilot (which one COULD do - but
t would be unusally hard push).... so I'd be careful changing out the quick
disconnect.
I didn't stall - but it scared me ( I was IMC during this - broke out
shortly later) - will be good to see what the big iron guys have to say
about this.
As a flight surgeon, it made me review what "my" limits should be in flying
IMC when tired, at night and single pilot. Something everyone should think
about.
bobf
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Jim Addington <jtaddington@verizon.net>
wrote:
Robert,
My 500A was the one that S-Tec used for the STC after I hounded them for
three years. I had them install the 65 with all the whistles and bells and I
also was used to big iron where there was a warning when it disconnected.
That has been my only disappointment in that autopilot. I looked at my map
that was on a clip board and accidently laid it on the disconnect switch. We
were at night IFR and it started to drift off before I caught what had
happened. I have thought about putting a small cup under the switch so that
would not happen again but have not done it yet because I have not been able
to fly much in the last two years. A friend of mine drew out the plans for
putting trim and disconnect switches on the right side but have not done
that either. It has been a really good autopilot.
Jim Addington
500A
N444BD
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:15 AM
Subject: Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
Commanders-
Anyone here have much experience with the S-Tec System 65 autopilot?
At issue is whether or not there should be an aural warning when pressing
the A/P disconnect switch.
I'm spoiled by all the transport time where the A/P disconnect is announced
at about 5,000db... just to make sure you notice it.
I find it strange that when I hit the disco button on this autopilot- it
quietly releases the airplane without so much as a peep. What if it
disconnects in flight on it's own for some reason? EA301?
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
- The Commander-List Email Forum -
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- MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
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my off line email is bobf@feldtman.com
bobf
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Jim Addington <jtaddington@verizon.net>wro
te:
> I took my physical for the AF at Carswell and went through the altitude
> chamber there too. This was in 1959. I almost forgot I got a B-36 ride th
ere
> too. I live in Denton and got on the 100th BW list and found out the
> navigator we had on the crew at Pease AFB lives in Arlington and I joined
> the QB=92s and ran in to t he Ops Officer of one of the squadrons lives i
n
> Dallas. I had not seen either of them since 1963.
>
> Jim
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert Feldtman
> *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2009 5:52 PM
>
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
>
>
> I flew a stethoscope and scalpel.... along with being a flight surgeon in
> some airplanes and helicopters but could never log "stick time: :):) Bac
k
> in the good ol' days of medicine, it allowed me the ability to have a
> turbo-commander - at 70 gals per hour/ but no longer! Lucky to have a
> glastar that burns 7 gals per hour/
>
> Larry Pullen and Tom LeBootllier are good buddies of mine from Delta who
> have flown my commanders when we have gone fishing. They've long lost the
ir
> medicals due to heart problems. but we stay in touch.
>
> bobf
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Jim Addington <jtaddington@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> I was not going to change the switch, just put an upside down cap under i
t
> so I can get to it but it would be protected from being accidently punche
d.
> The L-1011 accident in FL many years ago is why the airlines went to the
> warning. I have been surprised that the light plane auto pilots don=92t h
ave
> that. What did you fly in the AF Reserve? To tell you how old I am I flew
> the B-47 and will have had my license 50 years the 24 of this month. I fl
ew
> for Delta for almost 33 years. My medical is in jeopardy though. They hav
e
> had it for four months and finally sent me a letter that it was going to
the
> neurologist. At least they have not said no yet. I had 9 different Drs.
> check me from stem to stern and found nothing so I think it was what I
> thought all along. I had been under a lot of stress with my wife=92s deat
h and
> we had painted the house inside and put down new carpet. The smells is wh
at
> I think was my problem because I have not had it since.
>
> Jim
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert Feldtman
> *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2009 10:08 AM
>
>
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
>
>
> Assuming you are referring to the red disconnect switch on the yoke (horn
s)
> -- I'd be cautious about putting anything that makes a quick disconnect
> delayed in any fashion. Once on my turboprop commander, by myself, night
> time, tired after a weekend of AF Reserve duty at Carswell, very busy (AT
C -
> go fast to the OM at Hobby!)) I got very busy over the OM, and was flying
> the autopilot coupled ILS approach - the elevator command went fairly
> rapidly nose up as I lowered gear, and pulled back turboprop power to fli
ght
> idle to slow down - it slowed down faster than I realized, and the AP
> command was to stay on the glideslope, which meant go up, pitch up.
> fortunately, I was aware and on top of it and was able to smoothly kill t
he
> autopilot with the red quick dissconect on the yoke as I nosed it over a
> little and added power. Any delay in doing that with a switch override -
> could cause someone to have to fight the autopilot (which one COULD do -
but
> t would be unusally hard push).... so I'd be careful changing out the qui
ck
> disconnect.
>
>
> I didn't stall - but it scared me ( I was IMC during this - broke out
> shortly later) - will be good to see what the big iron guys have to say
> about this.
>
>
> As a flight surgeon, it made me review what "my" limits should be in flyi
ng
> IMC when tired, at night and single pilot. Something everyone should thin
k
> about.
>
>
> bobf
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Jim Addington <jtaddington@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> Robert,
>
> My 500A was the one that S-Tec used for the STC after I hounded them for
> three years. I had them install the 65 with all the whistles and bells an
d I
> also was used to big iron where there was a warning when it disconnected.
> That has been my only disappointment in that autopilot. I looked at my ma
p
> that was on a clip board and accidently laid it on the disconnect switch.
We
> were at night IFR and it started to drift off before I caught what had
> happened. I have thought about putting a small cup under the switch so th
at
> would not happen again but have not done it yet because I have not been a
ble
> to fly much in the last two years. A friend of mine drew out the plans fo
r
> putting trim and disconnect switches on the right side but have not done
> that either. It has been a really good autopilot.
>
> Jim Addington
>
> 500A
>
> N444BD
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert S.
> Randazzo
> *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2009 12:15 AM
> *To:* commander-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
>
>
> Commanders-
>
>
> Anyone here have much experience with the S-Tec System 65 autopilot?
>
>
> At issue is whether or not there should be an aural warning when pressing
> the A/P disconnect switch.
>
>
> I=92m spoiled by all the transport time where the A/P disconnect is annou
nced
> at about 5,000db... just to make sure you notice it=85
>
>
> I find it strange that when I hit the disco button on this autopilot- it
> quietly releases the airplane without so much as a peep. What if it
> disconnects in flight on it=92s own for some reason? EA301?
>
>
> Robert S. Randazzo
>
> N414C
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
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>
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>
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>
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| Subject: | S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning? |
Jim-
Thanks- I suspected this would be the case. In the pin diagrams there is
mention of wires for an aural warning, but nobody at S-Tec could tell us
why- or how to implement them in the installation. I suspect it was part of
the design that was never implemented.
So far I'm really enjoying the 65 autopilot. It's an older design that is
missing some of the VNAV/LPV capabilities of the newer digital autopilots-
but most of the transports I've flown didn't have those capabilities either-
so I'll probably not miss them. And then there's the old decision making
theory that while flying myself around single pilot- I probably shouldn't
put myself into a position to need those capabilities. ;-)
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:21 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
Robert,
My 500A was the one that S-Tec used for the STC after I hounded them for
three years. I had them install the 65 with all the whistles and bells and I
also was used to big iron where there was a warning when it disconnected.
That has been my only disappointment in that autopilot. I looked at my map
that was on a clip board and accidently laid it on the disconnect switch. We
were at night IFR and it started to drift off before I caught what had
happened. I have thought about putting a small cup under the switch so that
would not happen again but have not done it yet because I have not been able
to fly much in the last two years. A friend of mine drew out the plans for
putting trim and disconnect switches on the right side but have not done
that either. It has been a really good autopilot.
Jim Addington
500A
N444BD
_____
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:15 AM
Subject: Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
Commanders-
Anyone here have much experience with the S-Tec System 65 autopilot?
At issue is whether or not there should be an aural warning when pressing
the A/P disconnect switch.
I'm spoiled by all the transport time where the A/P disconnect is announced
at about 5,000db... just to make sure you notice it.
I find it strange that when I hit the disco button on this autopilot- it
quietly releases the airplane without so much as a peep. What if it
disconnects in flight on it's own for some reason? EA301?
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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Robert,
I have an S tec 65 and I do not have an aural warning either.- I will try
to check my manual for the AP to see.-
dan f
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| Subject: | Re: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning? |
When Robert first posed this question, I thought oh yeah, the Lears I flew
(part 25 cert) had aural warnings.
Then I remembered that the brand new Cessna 421C I flew in 1978 had aural
warnings as well. So its not a Part 23 vs 25 thing I guess.
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| Subject: | S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning? |
It has been so long since I flew IFR that I would not dare try it unless it
was a high ceiling. I have filled that square. If I don't get my medical
back I may have to sell the plane anyway.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
Jim-
Thanks- I suspected this would be the case. In the pin diagrams there is
mention of wires for an aural warning, but nobody at S-Tec could tell us
why- or how to implement them in the installation. I suspect it was part of
the design that was never implemented.
So far I'm really enjoying the 65 autopilot. It's an older design that is
missing some of the VNAV/LPV capabilities of the newer digital autopilots-
but most of the transports I've flown didn't have those capabilities either-
so I'll probably not miss them. And then there's the old decision making
theory that while flying myself around single pilot- I probably shouldn't
put myself into a position to need those capabilities. ;-)
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:21 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
Robert,
My 500A was the one that S-Tec used for the STC after I hounded them for
three years. I had them install the 65 with all the whistles and bells and I
also was used to big iron where there was a warning when it disconnected.
That has been my only disappointment in that autopilot. I looked at my map
that was on a clip board and accidently laid it on the disconnect switch. We
were at night IFR and it started to drift off before I caught what had
happened. I have thought about putting a small cup under the switch so that
would not happen again but have not done it yet because I have not been able
to fly much in the last two years. A friend of mine drew out the plans for
putting trim and disconnect switches on the right side but have not done
that either. It has been a really good autopilot.
Jim Addington
500A
N444BD
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:15 AM
Subject: Commander-List: S-Tec A/P Disconnect Warning?
Commanders-
Anyone here have much experience with the S-Tec System 65 autopilot?
At issue is whether or not there should be an aural warning when pressing
the A/P disconnect switch.
I'm spoiled by all the transport time where the A/P disconnect is announced
at about 5,000db... just to make sure you notice it.
I find it strange that when I hit the disco button on this autopilot- it
quietly releases the airplane without so much as a peep. What if it
disconnects in flight on it's own for some reason? EA301?
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
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