---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/06/09: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:44 AM - dissent (Dan Farmer) 2. 05:49 AM - two commanders (Dan Farmer) 3. 08:47 AM - aerocommander.com has been hacked (Don Barry) 4. 09:40 AM - Re: dissent (John Vormbaum) 5. 09:54 AM - Re: Re: It is time... (David Owens) 6. 10:21 AM - Re: Re: It is time... (Bruce Campbell) 7. 11:00 AM - Re: Re: It is time... (Harry Merritt) 8. 11:01 AM - Re: dissent (L D GIROD) 9. 01:30 PM - Re: It is time... (N395V) 10. 05:09 PM - Re: aerocommander.com has been hacked (nico css) 11. 05:49 PM - Help (Dan Farmer) 12. 06:07 PM - Re: Help (Randy Dettmer, AIA) 13. 07:13 PM - Re: Help (Robert S. Randazzo) 14. 08:38 PM - Re: Help () 15. 10:11 PM - Re: Help (Brock Lorber) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:39 AM PST US From: Dan Farmer Subject: Commander-List: dissent John V. I have been told that just because you are paranoid does not mean that some one is not out to get you.- And whacumean abouts no rights to a flat scre en.- Hell I think we need two more amendments.- #28 Every citizen shall be entitled to one Aero Commander. #29. Every Aero Commander owner is enti tled to gas and parts at guvment expense.- Then may I could fly mine more :-)))) dan f =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:34 AM PST US From: Dan Farmer Subject: Commander-List: two commanders Dale, Welcome to the gaggle.- Please keep both commanders.- The rest of us ar e always looking for spare parts. dan f =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:54 AM PST US From: "Don Barry" Subject: Commander-List: aerocommander.com has been hacked All, I was surfing the aerocommander.com site for updates and noticed that the site's been hacked. You can see this at the Media Gallery page. I'm in I.T. professionally and would be happy to help clean up the website. Regards, Don Barry Houston TX _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:59 AM Subject: Commander-List: New Owners Hi JimBob! Quite a while since I sent one of these updates, but nothing much has been happening! Here's few new Owners & Addresses: 520-93, N4186B Bruce Campbell has changed address to 804 216th PL (Place?) NE., Sammamish, Washington, 98074-6809 His 520 was hit by a fuel truck at Seattle-Boeing Field on 15Mar07 and I thought it had been declared a write-off? 680E-777-49, N8445C Now with Jody S Maddox, PO Box 246, Paterson, Washington, 99345-0246 HIs 'phone number is possibly 206 887 4829 There's some kind of problem with the FAA paperwok though - they list it as "Registration Pending". He also has had 680E-380 (a converted 680) N6863S since March 1993, but this one is still listed by the FAA as domiciled at Ridgefield WA as they need a physical address rather than the PO Box number he quoted on his Application for Registration. At one time, he also owned 680FLP-1483-8, N136HL, from February 1993 to October 1994. 680E-802-57, N8468C Now with Barron Thomas Southwest Inc., with a convenience address at 3511 Silverside Road, Suite 102, Wilmington, Delaware Very Best Regards, Barry ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:01 AM PST US From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: RE: Commander-List: dissent I have always heard that "a paranoid is simply someone in possession of all the facts." I agree with you about Amendments 28 & 29. Now is the time, too. I'm guessing Obama will interpret the Constitution as a "living document" so he can mess with it. Might as well get some Commander stuff on there. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Farmer Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:44 AM Subject: Commander-List: dissent John V. I have been told that just because you are paranoid does not mean that someone is not out to get you. And whacumean abouts no rights to a flat screen. Hell I think we need two more amendments. #28 Every citizen shall be entitled to one Aero Commander. #29. Every Aero Commander owner is entitled to gas and parts at guvment expense. Then may I could fly mine more:-)))) dan f ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:50 AM PST US From: "David Owens" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." - Barack Obama History Unfolding I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus. Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it.. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two. We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why? (JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and our economy, and reduce our will to resist.) We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not. We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why? We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why? We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose? Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so. And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe are more important.) Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why? I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now. This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again. And that is only the beginning.. As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read it right now. And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did - regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of course, How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what they voted for. If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history books. So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the world came to regret that he was not listened to. Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them. As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me.. I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe-and why I believe it. I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in the next elections. David Kaiser Jamestown , Rhode Island United States ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:03 AM PST US From: Bruce Campbell Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Considering Mr Obama's $600 million in untraceable fraudulent campaign contributions, from "somewhere", the fact that a similar sum was detected showing up in the Argentine presidential elections tracable to Hugo Chavez, and the warm embrace and general yucking-it-up Mr Obama did with Mr Chavez at the OAS conference week before last, I suspect you may have a good point. But not Hitlerian some much as "Bolivarian". -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." - Barack Obama History Unfolding I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus. Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it.. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two. We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why? (JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and our economy, and reduce our will to resist.) We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not. We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why? We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why? We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose? Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so. And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe are more important.) Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why? I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now. This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again. And that is only the beginning.. As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read it right now. And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did - regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of course, How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what they voted for. If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history books. So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the world came to regret that he was not listened to. Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them. As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me.. I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe-and why I believe it. I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in the next elections. David Kaiser Jamestown , Rhode Island United States ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:00:00 AM PST US From: "Harry Merritt" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... David please cll me Harry 321 267-3141 ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Owens" Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... > > > "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I > hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." > - Barack Obama > > History Unfolding > > I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on > history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied > history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally > large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a > mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely > single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a > sharper focus. > > Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I > know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to > it.. > Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening > within > our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The > pace > has dramatically quickened in the past two. > > We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make > massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why? > > > (JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and > our economy, and reduce our will to resist.) > > > We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no > real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is > $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom > or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that > is > three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this > past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms > unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was > a > government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected > leaders. > Apparently not. > > We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our > economy. Why? > > > We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no > longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we > are > worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, > read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not > picketing, > school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why? > > We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election > (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that > it > simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman. > Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have > corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to > write > laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist > groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana > republic. To what purpose? > > Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, > major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of > collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our > entire > government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and > I > know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its > length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are > at > war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the > same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your > children if they have the opportunity to do so. > > And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything > about, > who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big > asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real > radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn > about > him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have > heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian > defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? > Oh, > of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then > demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe > are more important.) > > Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why? > > I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am > now. > > This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, > ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us > along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the > pieces > into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And > when > it comes, you will never see the same nation again. > > And that is only the beginning.. > > As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to > experience > what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those > times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the > streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they > should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted, > shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his > way > onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read > it right now. > > And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing > jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a > lot. > And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his > "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did - > regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled > economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely > he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department > by > department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens > were > at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were > taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews > of > course, > > > How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the > jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial > complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, > health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to > re-instill > pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He > did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in > the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what > they voted for. > > If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history > books. > > So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and > were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston > Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the > House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed > into > his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the > world came to regret that he was not listened to. > > Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured > country > in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, > and > universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than > just > two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens, > killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and > neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course. > The road to Hell is paved with them. > > As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I > have > a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell > me > (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is > shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am > wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is > transpiring around me.. > > I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me, > others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, > perhaps > I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them > exactly what I believe-and why I believe it. > > I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote > in > the next elections. > > David Kaiser > > Jamestown , Rhode Island > > United States > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:01:50 AM PST US From: "L D GIROD" Subject: Re: Commander-List: dissent WHAT ONLY ONE COMMANDER!!! What about the Turbo Commander we all want with the free gas and part? Must be a Socialist plot! Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Farmer To: commander-list-digest@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:43 AM Subject: Commander-List: dissent John V. I have been told that just because you are paranoid does not mean that someone is not out to get you. And whacumean abouts no rights to a flat screen. Hell I think we need two more amendments. #28 Every citizen shall be entitled to one Aero Commander. #29. Every Aero Commander owner is entitled to gas and parts at guvment expense. Then may I could fly mine more:-)))) dan f ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:30:45 PM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Re: It is time... From: "N395V" A recent poll taken in Canada (see attached) -------- Milt 2003 F1 Rocket 2006 Radial Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=242957#242957 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/canada_poll_187.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:09:59 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: aerocommander.com has been hacked Thanks for letting us know, Don. I am the webmaster and will have it fixed. Thanks for your offer; I'll holler if I need help. Good to know there are skills out there. Thanks again. Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Barry Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:38 AM Subject: Commander-List: aerocommander.com has been hacked All, I was surfing the aerocommander.com site for updates and noticed that the site's been hacked. You can see this at the Media Gallery page. I'm in I.T. professionally and would be happy to help clean up the website. Regards, Don Barry Houston TX _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:59 AM Subject: Commander-List: New Owners Hi JimBob! Quite a while since I sent one of these updates, but nothing much has been happening! Here's few new Owners & Addresses: 520-93, N4186B Bruce Campbell has changed address to 804 216th PL (Place?) NE., Sammamish, Washington, 98074-6809 His 520 was hit by a fuel truck at Seattle-Boeing Field on 15Mar07 and I thought it had been declared a write-off? 680E-777-49, N8445C Now with Jody S Maddox, PO Box 246, Paterson, Washington, 99345-0246 HIs 'phone number is possibly 206 887 4829 There's some kind of problem with the FAA paperwok though - they list it as "Registration Pending". He also has had 680E-380 (a converted 680) N6863S since March 1993, but this one is still listed by the FAA as domiciled at Ridgefield WA as they need a physical address rather than the PO Box number he quoted on his Application for Registration. At one time, he also owned 680FLP-1483-8, N136HL, from February 1993 to October 1994. 680E-802-57, N8468C Now with Barron Thomas Southwest Inc., with a convenience address at 3511 Silverside Road, Suite 102, Wilmington, Delaware Very Best Regards, Barry http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:01 PM PST US From: Dan Farmer Subject: Commander-List: Help I know this sounds crazy but it may be true as it is the FAA.- I am flyin g for an operation for a couple of months this summer.- It is just for th e summer and the owner told me and another pilot that he had a couple of ap artments in the hanger that we did not need to get a room.- He called me and said the local bureaucrat from the FSDO said that since the airport rec eived federal funds that no one could sleep there.- This flies in the fac e of what I have seen for the last 35 years of my life.- I think the man is blowing smoke out his ---.- Has anyone ever encountered such a thing? - If so please email me off site so we don't bore everyone else. dan =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:28 PM PST US From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Help Hi Dan, I have designed and constructed numerous hangars & projects at airports that receive federal funds. We have always been able to provide "crew quarters" for pilots to live and sleep while working. This situation has always been under the jurisdiction of the local authority (County, or City and Airport Manager), not the FSDO. Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB 680F/N6253X Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Farmer Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:47 PM Subject: Commander-List: Help I know this sounds crazy but it may be true as it is the FAA. I am flying for an operation for a couple of months this summer. It is just for the summer and the owner told me and another pilot that he had a couple of apartments in the hanger that we did not need to get a room. He called me and said the local bureaucrat from the FSDO said that since the airport received federal funds that no one could sleep there. This flies in the face of what I have seen for the last 35 years of my life. I think the man is blowing smoke out his ---. Has anyone ever encountered such a thing? If so please email me off site so we don't bore everyone else. dan ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:05 PM PST US From: "Robert S. Randazzo" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help Dan We have been given this same feedback at our airport. Never really thought about how odd that is until reading your email. Our airport manager is a straight up good-guy. If you want I'll ask him for the background details? Robert S. Randazzo N414C On May 6, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Dan Farmer wrote: > I know this sounds crazy but it may be true as it is the FAA. I am > flying for an operation for a couple of months this summer. It is > just for the summer and the owner told me and another pilot that he > had a couple of apartments in the hanger that we did not need to get > a room. He called me and said the local bureaucrat from the FSDO > said that since the airport received federal funds that no one could > sleep there. This flies in the face of what I have seen for the > last 35 years of my life. I think the man is blowing smoke out his > ---. Has anyone ever encountered such a thing? If so please email > me off site so we don't bore everyone else. > > dan > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:58 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Commander-List: Help We had a local political situation regarding the drain commisioner allowing an engineer working on the project to stay in a house that was on some property that was part of the drain improvement. The issue was providing something of value (free lodging) on property that was purchased with government money. The local county wanted property taxes for the house as it was being used as "rental" property. I can understand that if you are given free lodging instead of paying to stay in a motel, it could be a sticky issue if in fact the premises were procured with government money. If you can stay there for free so should anyone else. Don -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert S. Randazzo Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:12 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help Dan We have been given this same feedback at our airport. Never really thought about how odd that is until reading your email. Our airport manager is a straight up good-guy. If you want I'll ask him for the background details? Robert S. Randazzo N414C On May 6, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Dan Farmer wrote: I know this sounds crazy but it may be true as it is the FAA. I am flying for an operation for a couple of months this summer. It is just for the summer and the owner told me and another pilot that he had a couple of apartments in the hanger that we did not need to get a room. He called me and said the local bureaucrat from the FSDO said that since the airport received federal funds that no one could sleep there. This flies in the face of what I have seen for the last 35 years of my life. I think the man is blowing smoke out his ---. Has anyone ever encountered such a thing? If so please email me off site so we don't bore everyone else. dan href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri bution ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:40 PM PST US Subject: RE: Commander-List: Help From: "Brock Lorber" Four issues: A) the airport has taken AIP funds and has contractual obligations a la the FAA - absolutely immaterial B) the airport has an access agreement with the land and hangar owner - either it contains habitation restrictions or not C) the airport has a ground lease agreement with the hangar owner - either it contains habitation restrictions or not D) the land and/or hangar owner does not want you to habitate on their property - absolutely material The local bureaucrat at the FSDO has no bearing on the situation unless he/she is a signatory to a contract regarding the property. Now, your permission to operate may be contingent on satisfying the whims of the bureaucrat. It's not my money to say, but if it were I wouldn't invest time or money in any scheme that involved government, let alone one that involved bureaucrat whimsy. Of course, regime uncertainty pretty much precludes any appeal to contract these days. (don't bother, I've been singing this song long before 20 Jan 2009) -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of dfalik@sbcglobal.net Sent: Wed 5/6/2009 8:38 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Help We had a local political situation regarding the drain commisioner allowing an engineer working on the project to stay in a house that was on some property that was part of the drain improvement. The issue was providing something of value (free lodging) on property that was purchased with government money. The local county wanted property taxes for the house as it was being used as "rental" property. I can understand that if you are given free lodging instead of paying to stay in a motel, it could be a sticky issue if in fact the premises were procured with government money. If you can stay there for free so should anyone else. Don -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert S. Randazzo Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:12 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Help Dan We have been given this same feedback at our airport. Never really thought about how odd that is until reading your email. Our airport manager is a straight up good-guy. If you want I'll ask him for the background details? Robert S. Randazzo N414C On May 6, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Dan Farmer wrote: I know this sounds crazy but it may be true as it is the FAA. I am flying for an operation for a couple of months this summer. It is just for the summer and the owner told me and another pilot that he had a couple of apartments in the hanger that we did not need to get a room. He called me and said the local bureaucrat from the FSDO said that since the airport received federal funds that no one could sleep there. This flies in the face of what I have seen for the last 35 years of my life. I think the man is blowing smoke out his ---. Has anyone ever encountered such a thing? 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