---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/12/09: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:11 AM - Re: Re: It is time... (Bill Hamilton) 2. 03:51 AM - Re: Re: It is time... (Roland Gilliam) 3. 06:38 AM - Re: Re: It is time... (Bill Hamilton) 4. 07:42 AM - Re: Re: It is time... (Jim Addington) 5. 07:43 AM - Re: Re: It is time... (Jim Addington) 6. 09:42 AM - Re: Re: Frontsight (Jim Addington) 7. 09:49 AM - Re: Re: It is time... (Jim Addington) 8. 09:51 AM - Aero Commander - Winglets... (Marcos Della) 9. 09:57 AM - Re: Re: It is time... (nico css) 10. 10:12 AM - Re: Aero Commander - Winglets... (craig kennedy) 11. 10:32 AM - Re: Aero Commander - Winglets... (Barry Collman) 12. 11:02 AM - Re: Aero Commander - Winglets... (L D GIROD) 13. 02:18 PM - Re: Re: It is time... (Steve at Col-East) 14. 05:40 PM - Re: Re: It is time... (nico css) 15. 07:36 PM - Re: Re: It is time... (Jim Addington) 16. 07:39 PM - Re: Aero Commander - Winglets... (David Fitzgerald) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:11:44 AM PST US From: "Bill Hamilton" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Jim, It shouldn't be too much of a problem, down here most of the small turbo-props have ditched NiCad's or lead acid wet batteries - big Gills, for Hawker Energy cells, they are cheaper per unit, comparing like for like, better starting current and capacity, and more starts per battery, and now their use is spreading to smaller GA aircraft. In something like a Metro, the weight saving is quite significant, and nobody with a little turbo-prop wants hot starts from a geriatric battery. One big Gill (AUD $1800) is replaced by 4 Hawker cells (AUD$ 800) and you have all the other benefits, particularly the cool starts. In my 500A, I will be using two 12V Hawker cells for the 24v system, compared to the Gills that were there, about 50% more capacity, but given the battery weights, it will be interesting when we weigh the aeroplane. All I will need is our equivalent of a Form 337, but given the "approvals" of the Hawker Energy cells, you might not have to, it is almost "substituting brands". I use a "worn out" ex-Metro one for my 12v soldering iron, an added bonus of "free" power. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:03 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Bill, I hope you can find that, it might give us something to fight with. Jim A _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hamilton Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:21 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Moe, I can't immediately find it, but buried away in the FARs is a general provision to substitute modern gel cell for wet lead acid, it seem to me that, at most, the substitution needs only a field approval. About the only problem is the difference in weigh, and CofG. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard & Jacqui Thompson Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:00 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Jim & Moe, Whats the battery story? I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter. I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models they used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere. If you are interested I will find it and forward it. Cheers Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Moe, I am not able to go but am glad you are. I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough back bone to say yes. Jim _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Folks, Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday. Moe Mills N680RR Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Jim Addington Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling the crooks that this is a safe place to rob. Jim _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Feldtman Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... fyi --- State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students, faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus. CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting. This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not supported by the bill sponsor. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote: Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate, and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend oneself. I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven? This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need easier access to more lethal weapons. The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being killed by them. You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have answers, maybe only questions. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven to be an instant sedative. You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music, if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power. It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers. I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of. Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house 24 hours a day? Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him dead in his tracks...... Is that protected? Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their outhouse. It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got the room. But what are you going to do about Austin? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Feldtman Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy - except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document. I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun? The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying heat in the plane. bobf On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote: I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with Baywatch.) That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as faxes. I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad. It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because we're threatened. To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take. But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like it. I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them. Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone. I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row. A little punchy. (Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little company I work for.) Please resume your regular programming. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact, nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... --> "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." - Barack Obama History Unfolding I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus. Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it.. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two. We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why? (JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and our economy, and reduce our will to resist.) We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not. We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why? We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why? We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose? Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so. And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe are more important.) Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why? I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now. This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again. And that is only the beginning.. As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read it right now. And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did - regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of course, How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what they voted for. If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history books. So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the world came to regret that he was not listened to. Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them. As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me.. I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe-and why I believe it. I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in the next elections. 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I would be interested in the paperwork for sure. I'm about due for a batter y. Roland Gilliam (AC 500 6291B) From: RnJThompson@aol.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Jim & Moe=2C Whats the battery story? I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter. I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models the y used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere. If you are interested I will find it and forward it. Cheers Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday=2C 12 May 2009 12:22 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Moe=2C I am not able to go but am glad you are. I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his conta cts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough bac k bone to say yes. Jim From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Monday=2C May 11=2C 2009 7:17 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Folks=2C Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday. Moe Mills N680RR Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Jim Addington Sent: Sunday=2C May 10=2C 2009 2:31 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Every city=2C state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increas e in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not going to do something stupid to lose it=2C plus=2C you know better what you can do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are t elling the crooks that this is a safe place to rob. Jim From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Feldtman Sent: Sunday=2C May 10=2C 2009 4:11 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... fyi --- State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun L icensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and unive rsities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students=2C fa culty=2C staff and visitors who are 21 or older=2C who pass an extensive st ate and federal criminal records check=2C and who complete a rigorous handg un training course=2C should not be denied their right to self-defense simp ly because they study=2C live=2C work on or visit a college or university c ampus. CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually e verywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years=2C and there is no statistic al data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible c riminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting. This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year=2C before the an ti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the stat e level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not suppor ted by the bill sponsor. On Sat=2C May 9=2C 2009 at 11:47 AM=2C Steve W wrote: Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate =2C and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have onl y had to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably def end oneself. I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents=2C one man with a muz zle loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Vir ginia Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13=2C Alabama was 10 or eleven? This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it i sn't even registering=2C or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need easier access to more lethal weapons. The point Nico=2C is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms=2C does t his right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completel y inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights=2C yet perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe f rom terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again=2C maybe. Havi ng easy and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer =2C while at the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being killed by them. You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special=2C or maybe defend yourself=2C but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't hav e answers=2C maybe only questions. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css Sent: Saturday=2C May 09=2C 2009 8:13 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Come on=2C Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor=2C a killing is f ixed=2C gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has be en proven to be an instant sedative. You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through ot her means=2C even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music =2C if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control=2C y ou never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial. From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W Sent: Saturday=2C May 09=2C 2009 4:34 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was s o odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives cheer leading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power. It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe=2C but no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President you like=2C allow him to bypass rule of law and courts=2C and then panic becaus e the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers. I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder i f all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many=2C and maybe it was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of. Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my n eighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs=2C t he pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his hou se 24 hours a day? Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to get me. If the land mines don't get him first=2C I've been mixing up home-m ade anthrax=2C with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to s top him dead in his tracks...... Is that protected? Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in thei r outhouse. It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got the room. But what are you going to do about Austin? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Feldtman Sent: Friday=2C May 08=2C 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonom y - except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document .. I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last thre e months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun? The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carryin g heat in the plane. bobf On Fri=2C May 8=2C 2009 at 6:05 PM=2C Steve W wrote: I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had writt en a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being wackos. T hey are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and California? Th at's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with Baywatch.) That piece was written to inflame passion=2C anger and fear=3B and the real author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy ass ed shit being said on all sides=2C but hardly anyone seems to care if what is said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left abou t ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as faxes. I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing somethi ng they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will seize pow er and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad. It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear of loss=2C fear for safety=2C and the constant warnings now from so many so urces pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder=2C are pilots as a class more vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice eve rything that's best about us=2C pervert my values and live in perpetual fea r because we're threatened. To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take. But if a State wants to try some really=2C really stupid ideas and opt out of Federal laws and programs=2C I think they should be allowed to. Like no w=2C if the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and wan t to opt out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys=2C and aut omatic weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if y ou like it. I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural sensibi lities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and people wer e spread out common sense and little interference makes more sense. With yo u people breeding like rabbits=2C too much of the population is packed toge ther like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in cities=2C and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them. Likewise out in the sticks=2C I like being left alone. I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row. A little punchy. (Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell littl e company I work for.) Please resume your regular programming. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" Sent: Thursday=2C May 07=2C 2009 11:13 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... As much as I loved reading this=2C alas=2C it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact=2C nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens Sent: Wednesday=2C May 06=2C 2009 10:48 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... --> "My friends=2C we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." - Barack Obama History Unfolding I am a student of history. Professionally=2C I have written 15 books on history that have been published in six languages=2C and I have studied history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally large afoot=2C and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis=2C or a mortgage crisis=2C or a credit crisis. Yes these exist=2C but they are mere ly single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus. Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels=2C smells=2C what it looks like=2C and how people react t o it.. Yes=2C a perfect storm may be brewing=2C but there is something happening w ithin our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two. We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why? (JCS: Re above and below=2C I say in order to severlywound our country and our economy=2C and reduce our will to resist.) We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve=2C which has little or no real oversight by anyone=2C has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2=2C000=2C000=2C000=2C000) over the past few months=2C but will not tell u s to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that i s three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "we the people=2C" who loaned our powers to our elected leade rs. Apparently not. We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why? We have intentionally dumbed down our schools=2C ignored our history=2C and no longer teach our founding documents=2C why we are exceptional=2C and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write=2C think critically=2C read=2C or articulate. Parents are not revolting=2C teachers are not picket ing=2C school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why? We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that i t simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to writ e laws that radically change our way of life=2C and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose? Now our mortgage industry is collapsing=2C housing prices are in free fall =2C major industries are failing=2C our banking system is on the verge of collapse=2C social security is nearly bankrupt=2C as is medicare and our en tire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its length=2C breadth=2C and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we ar e at war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the same religion=2C who=2C in turn=2C cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so. And finally=2C we have elected a man that no one really knows anything abou t=2C who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen=2C let alone a town as big asWasilla=2C Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment=2C and everything we learn ab out him=2C drip by drip=2C is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you hav e heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh =2C of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150=2C000 wardrob e are more important.) Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why? I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now. This man campaigned on bringing people together=2C something he has never =2C ever done in his professional life. In my assessment=2C Obama will divide u s along philosophical lines=2C push us apart=2C and then try to realign the p ieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes=2C you will never see the same nation again. And that is only the beginning.. As a serious student of history=2C I thought I would never come to experie nce what the ordinary=2C moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those times=2C the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets=2C about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted=2C shoved=2C and pushed around people with whom they disagreed=3B he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read it right now. And there were the promises. Economic times were tough=2C people were losin g jobs=2C and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a l ot. And people=2C even newspapers=2C were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did - regularly. And then=2C he was duly elected to office=2C while a full-thrott led economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly=2C but surel y he seized the controls of government power=2C person by person=2C departmen t by department=2C bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens w ere at first=2C encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were taught exactly what to think. Later=2C they were required to do so. No Jews of course=2C How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the jobless=2C money to the money-less=2C and rewards for the military-industri al complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children=2C advocating gun control =2C health care for all=2C better wages=2C better jobs=2C and promising to re-i nstill pride once again in the country=2C across Europe =2C and across the world. He did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what they voted for. If you think I am exaggerating=2C look it up. It's all there in the history books. So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and were shouted down=2C called names=2C laughed at=2C and ridiculed. WhenWinst on Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister)=2C he was booed i nto his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right=2C though. And the world came to regret that he was not listened to. Do not forget that Germany was the most educated=2C the most cultured count ry in Europe . It was full of music=2C art=2C museums=2C hospitals=2C laborato ries=2C and universities. And yet=2C in less than six years (a shorter time span than j ust two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens=2C killing others=2C abrogating its laws=2C turning children against parents =2C and neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions=2C of course. The road to Hell is paved with them. As a practical thinker=2C one not overly prone to emotional decisions=2C I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell m e (even if they make me cringe with disgust)=3B I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades=3B or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes=2C having another latte=2C and ignoring what is transpiring around me.. I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me=2C others laugh=2C or think I am foolish=2C naive=2C or both. To some degree =2C perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe-and why I believe it. I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote i n the next elections. 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Jim, Re. the last message, the batteries we are using in multiples, in US is the Hawker Gates Genesis, 12v 16 A/hr, they run around US$ 95 a piece. For an AC 500 with a 12v system, the cranking amps available from one of the larger 12v, such as the 42 A/hr one, will give better starting performance than a conventional Gill or Concorde wet battery. One of the very useful things about these units is that they can be transported by air, no dangerous goods limitations. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:03 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Bill, I hope you can find that, it might give us something to fight with. Jim A _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hamilton Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:21 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Moe, I can't immediately find it, but buried away in the FARs is a general provision to substitute modern gel cell for wet lead acid, it seem to me that, at most, the substitution needs only a field approval. About the only problem is the difference in weigh, and CofG. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard & Jacqui Thompson Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:00 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Jim & Moe, Whats the battery story? I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter. I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models they used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere. If you are interested I will find it and forward it. Cheers Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Moe, I am not able to go but am glad you are. I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough back bone to say yes. Jim _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Folks, Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday. Moe Mills N680RR Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Jim Addington Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling the crooks that this is a safe place to rob. Jim _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Feldtman Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... fyi --- State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students, faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus. CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting. This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not supported by the bill sponsor. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote: Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate, and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend oneself. I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven? This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need easier access to more lethal weapons. The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being killed by them. You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have answers, maybe only questions. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven to be an instant sedative. You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music, if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power. It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers. I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of. Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house 24 hours a day? Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him dead in his tracks...... Is that protected? Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their outhouse. It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got the room. But what are you going to do about Austin? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Feldtman Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy - except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document. I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun? The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying heat in the plane. bobf On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote: I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with Baywatch.) That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as faxes. I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad. It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because we're threatened. To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take. But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like it. I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them. Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone. I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row. A little punchy. (Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little company I work for.) Please resume your regular programming. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact, nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... --> "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." - Barack Obama History Unfolding I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus. Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it.. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two. We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why? (JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and our economy, and reduce our will to resist.) We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not. We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why? We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why? We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose? Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so. And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe are more important.) Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why? I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now. This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again. And that is only the beginning.. As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read it right now. And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did - regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of course, How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what they voted for. If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history books. So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the world came to regret that he was not listened to. Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them. As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me.. I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe-and why I believe it. I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in the next elections. 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Thanks bill I will look into that. Jim _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hamilton Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:11 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Jim, It shouldn't be too much of a problem, down here most of the small turbo-props have ditched NiCad's or lead acid wet batteries - big Gills, for Hawker Energy cells, they are cheaper per unit, comparing like for like, better starting current and capacity, and more starts per battery, and now their use is spreading to smaller GA aircraft. In something like a Metro, the weight saving is quite significant, and nobody with a little turbo-prop wants hot starts from a geriatric battery. One big Gill (AUD $1800) is replaced by 4 Hawker cells (AUD$ 800) and you have all the other benefits, particularly the cool starts. In my 500A, I will be using two 12V Hawker cells for the 24v system, compared to the Gills that were there, about 50% more capacity, but given the battery weights, it will be interesting when we weigh the aeroplane. All I will need is our equivalent of a Form 337, but given the "approvals" of the Hawker Energy cells, you might not have to, it is almost "substituting brands". I use a "worn out" ex-Metro one for my 12v soldering iron, an added bonus of "free" power. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:03 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Bill, I hope you can find that, it might give us something to fight with. Jim A _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hamilton Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:21 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Moe, I can't immediately find it, but buried away in the FARs is a general provision to substitute modern gel cell for wet lead acid, it seem to me that, at most, the substitution needs only a field approval. About the only problem is the difference in weigh, and CofG. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard & Jacqui Thompson Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:00 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Jim & Moe, Whats the battery story? I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter. I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models they used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere. If you are interested I will find it and forward it. Cheers Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Moe, I am not able to go but am glad you are. I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough back bone to say yes. Jim _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Folks, Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday. Moe Mills N680RR Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Jim Addington Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling the crooks that this is a safe place to rob. Jim _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Feldtman Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... fyi --- State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students, faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus. CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting. This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not supported by the bill sponsor. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote: Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate, and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend oneself. I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven? This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need easier access to more lethal weapons. The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being killed by them. You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have answers, maybe only questions. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven to be an instant sedative. You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music, if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power. It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers. I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of. Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house 24 hours a day? Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him dead in his tracks...... Is that protected? Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their outhouse. It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got the room. But what are you going to do about Austin? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Feldtman Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy - except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document. I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun? The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying heat in the plane. bobf On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote: I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with Baywatch.) That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as faxes. I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad. It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because we're threatened. To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take. But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like it. I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them. Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone. I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row. A little punchy. (Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little company I work for.) Please resume your regular programming. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact, nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... --> "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." - Barack Obama History Unfolding I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus. Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it.. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two. We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why? (JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and our economy, and reduce our will to resist.) We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not. We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why? We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why? We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose? Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so. And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe are more important.) Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why? I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now. This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again. And that is only the beginning.. As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read it right now. And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did - regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of course, How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what they voted for. If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history books. So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the world came to regret that he was not listened to. Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them. As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me.. I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe-and why I believe it. I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in the next elections. 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Thanks again, I will look into that. Jim _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hamilton Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:12 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Jim, Re. the last message, the batteries we are using in multiples, in US is the Hawker Gates Genesis, 12v 16 A/hr, they run around US$ 95 a piece. For an AC 500 with a 12v system, the cranking amps available from one of the larger 12v, such as the 42 A/hr one, will give better starting performance than a conventional Gill or Concorde wet battery. One of the very useful things about these units is that they can be transported by air, no dangerous goods limitations. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:03 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Bill, I hope you can find that, it might give us something to fight with. Jim A _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hamilton Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:21 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Moe, I can't immediately find it, but buried away in the FARs is a general provision to substitute modern gel cell for wet lead acid, it seem to me that, at most, the substitution needs only a field approval. About the only problem is the difference in weigh, and CofG. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard & Jacqui Thompson Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:00 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Jim & Moe, Whats the battery story? I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter. I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models they used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere. If you are interested I will find it and forward it. Cheers Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Moe, I am not able to go but am glad you are. I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough back bone to say yes. Jim _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Folks, Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday. Moe Mills N680RR Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Jim Addington Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling the crooks that this is a safe place to rob. Jim _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Feldtman Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... fyi --- State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students, faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus. CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting. This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not supported by the bill sponsor. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote: Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate, and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend oneself. I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven? This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need easier access to more lethal weapons. The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being killed by them. You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have answers, maybe only questions. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven to be an instant sedative. You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music, if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power. It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers. I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of. Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house 24 hours a day? Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him dead in his tracks...... Is that protected? Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their outhouse. It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got the room. But what are you going to do about Austin? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Feldtman Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy - except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document. I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun? The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying heat in the plane. bobf On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote: I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with Baywatch.) That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as faxes. I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad. It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because we're threatened. To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take. But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like it. I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them. Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone. I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row. A little punchy. (Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little company I work for.) Please resume your regular programming. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact, nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... --> "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." - Barack Obama History Unfolding I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus. Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it.. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two. We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why? (JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and our economy, and reduce our will to resist.) We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not. We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why? We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why? We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose? Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so. And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe are more important.) Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why? I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now. This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again. And that is only the beginning.. As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read it right now. And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did - regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of course, How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what they voted for. If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history books. So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the world came to regret that he was not listened to. Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them. As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me.. I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe-and why I believe it. I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in the next elections. 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I wouldlike to go to their school some time, but don't know when. Jim A _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:31 PM Subject: Commander-List: Re: Frontsight Well Jim, I did go to Frontsight. I ordered their DVD. Ok, it looks interesting. Edged weapons, martial arts, shooting, driving, and rock climbing. What's not to like. Damn if it doesn't look like fun. I protect and look after people with me with my life. Comfortable fighting with hands, or even blunt weapons, but I'm screwed against someone packing. But if talk turns to politics I'd probably get myself shot. (Maybe I could sneak off and write poems or something.) Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Addington Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 6:17 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Past time... Steve, You are entitled to your opinion but it is my job to show you the light so you will change your opinion. I know I could not find it but there is an email going around that has a dozen reasons in favor of the right to carry. The one that stands out the most to me is the one that says " I don't carry a gun to shoot someone, I carry to keep someone from shooting my granddaughter, daughter, friends or me. Go to Frontsight.com. They can explain it far better than I can. Jim A _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at Col-East Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 12:20 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Past time... John, Actually I was thinking ahead.... and was not advocating legislation. Thank you for the informative post from a different perspective. This list has been an unexpected opportunity to interact with, and ask questions from, people with very different perspectives. I know we'll never "just all get along", on the list and in real life, and I'm better aware and prepared for that than most would think. It's not a bad idea for anyone to stop and ask how they know that what they think is so, and you've provided some facts I didn't have. I'm no more or less moral than anybody, and I'm not the point. When people I come to respect feel passionately about something, even when they don't particularly care for me, I'm always interested to know why. I wish I could get back to flying, as I've sat almost this entire season out behind my desk working on airport obstruction mapping projects watching our company's president launch instead. Responsibility sucks. S- ----- Original Message ----- From: John Vormbaum Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:38 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Steve, I'll say it again; you can't put the genie back in the bottle. Want to blame someone? Blame the military-industrial complex...but it doesn't matter. As long as Russia, China, etc. continue to advance developments in weaponry, we'll be required to keep up. Just like the founding fathers weren't thinking of the first repeating rifle, or Sam Colt's revolver, to use your argument, you're not thinking ahead to caseless ammunition weapons (which exist now, and although unrefined, offer unprecedented individual firepower) or the plasma rifles of science fiction. Increasing the lethality & simplicity of weapns is the human constant, ever since David discovered that a leather strap can do more than hold your pants up. The market will exist for the equipment regardless of the strength of a "why can't we all just get along" argument. My goal is simply to make sure that I have access to the same equipment that the people who can threaten me do. As far as availability, we already have exceptional laws on the books to prevent criminals from getting guns. They don't work. They never will. Just like the War on Drugs. Opiates are very tightly controlled, and we spend billions and billions every year to combat it; but you can still go to a street corner in any major American city and get what you want...cheaply and within a couple of minutes. Gun control will always remain ineffective, because it can't address the Remainder Problem: the 250,000,000 firearms already in private hands in the US. It may work, for a little while, on islands like Australia and the UK (notice it hasn't; gun crime has risen precipitously since their bans & voluntary turn-ins), but stands no chance here, in Africa, or in Asia. As far as the VT/Columbine shootings etc., non-gun people are still absorbed by misconceptions. A handgun is a horrible tool to use in a killing. They're inaccurate, low-powered, and more than 90% of handgun shooting victims live if they're treated professionally within the first hour. I have a friend that did 2 rotations as an EMT in Compton back in the early '90s. It got to the point where they rarely went lights-and-sirens to a handgun shooting...there's no hurry. Hollowpoints? Hollowpoints are NOT designed to be more lethal. They're not. Full metal jacket (FMJ or Ball ammo) is a far superior killer, and why the military is so fond of it. The sole purpose of a hollowpoint is to expand quickly and prevent overpenetration. You want to kill the bad guy in your house; you don't want the bullet going through 2 extra walls and hurting your children. In the VT shooting, which would have been more lethal? 5 30-round magazines or 30 5-round magazines? Doesn't matter. Same number of people would have died, but the shooter would have gotten some quality high-speed reload practice if he'd had the smaller capacity mags. Ever tried a laser sight on a handgun? There's a reason they're still curiosities, and largely unused. They respond to every bump of your heart and twitch of your muscles, multiplied by the distance. At 15' all you realize is how likely you are to miss. They're a distraction. You don't see Navy SEAL entry teams using them for a reason. Basing availability on need or justification is a very slippery slope. You DO NOT need your own airplane. Especially a twin. Perhaps we should limit everyone to a Bonanza; although they're awfully high horsepower for a single. Perhaps ultralights would be safer for neighborhoods, less damage to housing when they crash, and gee, you can still get the same enjoyment out of it. I live in California. This state has banned assault rifles by characteristic, model number and name brand. Guess what? It has created a HUGE black market. By some estimates, more than 350,000 rifles have come into the state since the ban took effect in 2001. The state has decided that it can no longer prosecute possession of these rifles as a felony; the legal system would collapse under its own weight, so they're making possession a "public nuisance" which would result in confiscation and a $100 fine. Talk about a self-defeating set of laws... Is Joe-Six-Pack's need to compensate for a small weenie and lust for a firearm class I am having a hard time seeing a legitimate use for contributing to the filling of the streets with increasingly lethal appliances only a very few have a real need for. I'm uncomfortable with draconian legal restrictions. But it is possible the gun owning community has not acted responsibly by failing to acknowledge a larger responsibility. It's this attitude and argument that grows so tiresome. It's always the small weenie thing. Thanks to small weenies, a bunch of us have to fly around in the Largest Light Twin, right? Why can't you photo/map with an ultralight, or a Cessna 182? How do you define "a very real need" for a class of firearm? The fact that YOU don't see it as necessary means it should be banned? The stories that DON'T make the (very liberal) papers are the ones where a home invasion robbery is thwarted because one resident with a high-capacity high-rate-of-fire firearm was able to deter a gang of thugs from entering his home. No shots fired, no harm done, everyone safely at home that evening. Think he'd have done as well with the baseball bat? Or a 5-shot revolver? I've probably worn out my welcome too, so I won't post anymore on the subject. I respect your views, and recognize that you're taking the higher moral ground, and I have no problem with that. I even applaud it. But I'm a pragmatist. Sheep can't be convinced, and they need someone easy to fill the camps with first. Now back to flying.... /J _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 5:00 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... John, I read a couple of Jim's posts below and I don't have a lot of trouble with his perspective. I don't know if all the facts are true, but his is the approach of a responsible owner of firearms and would no doubt use one with care and safety. It is his right to own weapons as granted under the Constitution and I don't want that right ever taken away. I don't want to disagree with Andy Rooney, but I don't buy the firearm is just 'benign appliance' that can be used properly or improperly like baseball bats and cars. A toaster is an appliance. It's job is to make toast. Clearly there are some individuals who shouldn't own a toaster, who are a menace to themselves and occasionally society. But because of the vast number of toasters on the streets due to our fascination with making perfect toast, its all too easy for the criminal and the incompetent to gain access to increasingly powerful toasters. Because of the toaster's intended use and function, even in cases of tragic neglect or willful misuse the casualties remain low in number. Of course, a deranged or determined individual could probably kill one or two men with a toaster before being subdued. (Particularly with one of those old chrome jobbies.) Still, society at large doesn't view the vast number of toasters available as a particular threat, as it can be argued in the right hands other appliances could be just as lethal. Considering the hundreds of millions of kitchen appliances produced over the decades there have been surprisingly few documented cases mass murder. I'm interested in how these appliances become available to people who intend harm. For example you said that the Virginia Tech shootings were perpetrated with run of the mill handguns. I think your point was that the guns used were commonplace. They were nothing special and easy to acquire. The specific problem I have I think is the attitude that these weapons will just appear on streets in a process we are powerless to do anything about or should even try. Not to be a smart-aleck, but I did look up to see what firearms were used at VT, and while I was at it also in Columbine and Binghamton. (It wasn't very pleasant reading and the reminders of personal tragedy and heroism is enough to break your heart.) At VT the guy had a Glock semi-auto with hollow points, along with a Walther. Hard to get it straight, but it sounds as if he had at least a bunch of 15 round magazines. Binghamton the guy had two Beretta semi-auto pistols and it appears at least one 30(?) round magazine and laser sighting. Columbine one of the kiddies had that Tec-9 thing, that has 52, 32 and 28 round magazines in a semi-auto pistol....... John I suppose my point is, how is it that these firearms are now becoming commonplace and easy to acquire? What justification is there to own such a thing? Now I know everyone will probably say they don't need a justification. It is their right to own such a weapon. I'm not yet prepared to say it isn't their right because of the constitutional implications of doing so. But I am prepared to ask if it is correct and responsible to exercise that right with that class of firearm. I am prepared to sacrifice some level of safety and bear some degree of risk to live in a free society. As a free society I don't want to impose unjust laws, or restrain a person's right to do most anything they want. I would submit for discussion, it is possible (only possible) that the exercising the right to by any firearm you feel like may have consequences not much thought of. Purchasing such weapons is creating an industry for them. So many say that gun laws are senseless as you can't keep guns out of the hands of the bad guys. But this seems to be ignoring the entire economy around such firearms. Who is making them, who is buying them, how are they getting to the streets. People can get off on owning these things, but they are supporting the manufacturing of increasingly lethal weapons which will be a around for generations. Is Joe-Six-Pack's need to compensate for a small weenie and lust for a firearm class I am having a hard time seeing a legitimate use for contributing to the filling of the streets with increasingly lethal appliances only a very few have a real need for. I'm uncomfortable with draconian legal restrictions. But it is possible the gun owning community has not acted responsibly by failing to acknowledge a larger responsibility. I've probably worn out my welcome and would be happy to take a conversation off list. P.S. My buddy's large caliber potato canon is more fun to shoot than my shotgun. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: John Vormbaum Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven? This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need easier access to more lethal weapons. Steve, The problem with your argument is that you're trying to alter the behavior of psychotics by attacking inanimate tools. I have the ultimate logical leap that would make all the above shootings disappear: let's make murder 100% illegal! That'll fix it! The 2nd amendment can't be limited because of the improvement of technology. The founding fathers did not have muzzle loaders in mind when they framed the 2nd Amendment. They had PEOPLE in mind. You can't put the genie back in the bottle; limiting the law to peacemakers, for instance, still wouldn't stop a nutball from getting his hands on anything he wanted. The Virginia Tech shooting was perpetrated with a couple of run-of-the-mill handguns. Carrying weapons on campus was already illegal. How did that work out for the students that day? The 2nd Amendment is more valuable now than it was back when it was first put forth. The true purpose of the 2nd Amendment would have been more clearly demonstrated had ONE responsible student at VT had his own handgun that day. Yes, people may have still been killed, but one armed student could have put that shooting to a sudden and appropriate end, and saved many lives. Even as a deterrent, an armed student might have just kept the shooter holed up in another room while SWAT mobilized. What if the shooter hadn't killed himself? The news choppers would have continued to circle and the local SWAT team would have continued to manage their "perimeter" while the school was kept in "lockdown". A well-prepared shooter could have taken many dozens more victims with him. If a legally armed teacher had killed Klebold & Harris at Columbine as soon as they started shooting, how many copycat shootings would have ensued? Maybe none. I'm also aware of the other side of the issue; it takes a strong sense of responsibility and maturity to carry a lethal weapon. But the same sense of responsibility is assumed when a driver's license is issued. Robert A. Heinlein said it best: "An armed society is a polite society." Or Andy Rooney on 60 Minutes: "I can kill someone just as dead with a baseball bat or my car, but nobody is trying to stop me from driving to the ball game." In a world where cities are growing and population density is increasing, CCW is more valid, not less. A quick Google search showed me some reports that roughly 4.4% of the human population has reported psychotic behavior. So in a city of 3 million people, does that mean there might be as many as 132,000 people ready to snap and do something crazy? Nico: Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven to be an instant sedative. Nico nails it right here. People kill. Take the guns, they use knives. Take the knives, they use clubs. Take the clubs away and they'll use rocks or their bare hands. You can't legislate human nature by taking the guns. /John PS: I'm a competitive shooter & enthusiast. 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This is my problem with the FAA, they are so afraid of their job and the real problem if they are afraid of attorneys and law suits. Greedy attorneys have just about killed this country and that is what makes up most of the Democratic Party. We don't have a chance. Jim A _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:20 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... I remember my 500's battery once went flat and a guy with a Centurion gave me a jump. His was a 24 volt system (I think) and it cranked the Lycomings so fast it started faster then it had ever before. I tried without success to get the Commander upgraded to 24 volts or even two of its regular batteries clamped together but nobody in the sticks would make that call. It was a long time ago and I might have some of the details wrong, but I remember the "no", "no", "can't be done", "don't do it" responses I got until I gave up. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Bill, I hope you can find that, it might give us something to fight with. Jim A _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hamilton Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:21 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Moe, I can't immediately find it, but buried away in the FARs is a general provision to substitute modern gel cell for wet lead acid, it seem to me that, at most, the substitution needs only a field approval. About the only problem is the difference in weigh, and CofG. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard & Jacqui Thompson Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:00 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Jim & Moe, Whats the battery story? I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter. I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models they used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere. If you are interested I will find it and forward it. Cheers Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Moe, I am not able to go but am glad you are. I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough back bone to say yes. Jim _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Folks, Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday. Moe Mills N680RR Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Jim Addington Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling the crooks that this is a safe place to rob. Jim _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Feldtman Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... fyi --- State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students, faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus. CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting. This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not supported by the bill sponsor. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote: Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate, and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend oneself. I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven? This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need easier access to more lethal weapons. The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being killed by them. You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have answers, maybe only questions. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven to be an instant sedative. You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music, if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power. It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers. I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of. Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house 24 hours a day? Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him dead in his tracks...... Is that protected? Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their outhouse. It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got the room. But what are you going to do about Austin? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Feldtman Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy - except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document. I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun? The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying heat in the plane. bobf On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote: I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with Baywatch.) That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as faxes. I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad. It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because we're threatened. To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take. But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like it. I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them. Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone. I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row. A little punchy. (Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little company I work for.) Please resume your regular programming. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact, nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... --> "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." - Barack Obama History Unfolding I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus. Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it.. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two. We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why? (JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and our economy, and reduce our will to resist.) We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not. We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why? We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why? We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose? Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so. And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe are more important.) Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why? I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now. This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again. And that is only the beginning.. As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read it right now. And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did - regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of course, How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what they voted for. If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history books. So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the world came to regret that he was not listened to. Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them. As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me.. I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe-and why I believe it. I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in the next elections. 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From: Marcos Della Didn't know if this was an airplane mailing list or a gunsite mailing list :-) Anyway, does anyone have experiance with winglets and the 560 Aero Commander? That is, are they worth the cost, who has the best setup/STC/whatever for justification... I have a torn apart 560 that I'm in the process of restoring (have been for a couple of years) and am slowly working through areas that might be considered unusual for the older Aero Commanders... Marcos ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:35 AM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... now yoy have steve all worked up again... :-) _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:48 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... This is my problem with the FAA, they are so afraid of their job and the real problem if they are afraid of attorneys and law suits. Greedy attorneys have just about killed this country and that is what makes up most of the Democratic Party. We don't have a chance. Jim A _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:20 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... I remember my 500's battery once went flat and a guy with a Centurion gave me a jump. His was a 24 volt system (I think) and it cranked the Lycomings so fast it started faster then it had ever before. I tried without success to get the Commander upgraded to 24 volts or even two of its regular batteries clamped together but nobody in the sticks would make that call. It was a long time ago and I might have some of the details wrong, but I remember the "no", "no", "can't be done", "don't do it" responses I got until I gave up. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Bill, I hope you can find that, it might give us something to fight with. Jim A _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hamilton Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:21 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Moe, I can't immediately find it, but buried away in the FARs is a general provision to substitute modern gel cell for wet lead acid, it seem to me that, at most, the substitution needs only a field approval. About the only problem is the difference in weigh, and CofG. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard & Jacqui Thompson Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:00 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Jim & Moe, Whats the battery story? I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter. I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models they used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere. If you are interested I will find it and forward it. Cheers Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Moe, I am not able to go but am glad you are. I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough back bone to say yes. Jim _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Folks, Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday. Moe Mills N680RR Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Jim Addington Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling the crooks that this is a safe place to rob. Jim _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Feldtman Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... fyi --- State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students, faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus. CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting. This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not supported by the bill sponsor. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote: Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate, and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend oneself. I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven? This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need easier access to more lethal weapons. The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being killed by them. You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have answers, maybe only questions. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven to be an instant sedative. You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music, if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power. It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers. I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of. Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house 24 hours a day? Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him dead in his tracks...... Is that protected? Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their outhouse. It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got the room. But what are you going to do about Austin? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Feldtman Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy - except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document. I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun? The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying heat in the plane. bobf On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote: I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with Baywatch.) That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as faxes. I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad. It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because we're threatened. To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take. But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like it. I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them. Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone. I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row. A little punchy. (Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little company I work for.) Please resume your regular programming. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact, nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... --> "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." - Barack Obama History Unfolding I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus. Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it.. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two. We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why? (JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and our economy, and reduce our will to resist.) We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not. We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why? We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why? We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose? Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so. And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe are more important.) Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why? I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now. This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again. And that is only the beginning.. As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read it right now. And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did - regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of course, How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what they voted for. If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history books. So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the world came to regret that he was not listened to. Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them. As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me.. I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe-and why I believe it. I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in the next elections. 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If the response could also include opinions/data on the flap gap seals as w ell please! Craig --- On Tue, 5/12/09, Marcos Della wrote: From: Marcos Della Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander - Winglets... Didn't know if this was an airplane mailing list or a gunsite mailing list :-) Anyway, does anyone have experiance with winglets and the 560 Aero Commande r?- That is, are they worth the cost, who has the best setup/STC/whatever for justification... I have a torn apart 560 that I'm in the process of restoring (have been for a couple of years) and am slowly working through areas that might be consi dered unusual for the older Aero Commanders... Marcos =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:20 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander - Winglets... Hi Marcos, Of the 80 Model 560s built, I haven't traced any that have had winglets installed. Commander Aero, in Dayton, Ohio (http://www.commander-aero.com/) have three STC's for winglets: SA1359GL covers Models 520, 560 & 560A (All T.C. 6A1 Models) & 680, 680T, 680V, 680W, 681, 685, 690, 690A & 690B (All T.C. 2A4 Models). SA1381GL covers Models 680E, 720, 560F, 680F, 680FL & 680FLP (All T.C. 2A4 Models). SA1158GL covers Models 500, 500A, 500B, 500U & 500S (All T.C. 6A1 Models). Best Regards, Barry Collman (Aero Commander historian) ----- Original Message ----- From: Marcos Della To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:51 PM Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander - Winglets... Didn't know if this was an airplane mailing list or a gunsite mailing list :-) Anyway, does anyone have experiance with winglets and the 560 Aero Commander? That is, are they worth the cost, who has the best setup/STC/whatever for justification... I have a torn apart 560 that I'm in the process of restoring (have been for a couple of years) and am slowly working through areas that might be considered unusual for the older Aero Commanders... Marcos ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:31 AM PST US From: "L D GIROD" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander - Winglets... Marcos; Sometimes this is a health list, you know, whatever gets the blood pressure raising! I have a 560E that has winglets on it, they were on it when I purchased the airplane, so cannot give you any performance figures. They do include strobes in the wingtip and besides, I think they look especially cool. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: Marcos Della To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:51 PM Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander - Winglets... Didn't know if this was an airplane mailing list or a gunsite mailing list :-) Anyway, does anyone have experiance with winglets and the 560 Aero Commander? That is, are they worth the cost, who has the best setup/STC/whatever for justification... I have a torn apart 560 that I'm in the process of restoring (have been for a couple of years) and am slowly working through areas that might be considered unusual for the older Aero Commanders... Marcos ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:32 PM PST US From: "Steve at Col-East" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Nico, I'm thinking maybe just this once I won't go into the valuable service the ACLU lawyers perform for our country..... ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:55 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... now yoy have steve all worked up again... :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:48 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... This is my problem with the FAA, they are so afraid of their job and the real problem if they are afraid of attorneys and law suits. Greedy attorneys have just about killed this country and that is what makes up most of the Democratic Party. We don't have a chance. Jim A ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:20 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... I remember my 500's battery once went flat and a guy with a Centurion gave me a jump. His was a 24 volt system (I think) and it cranked the Lycomings so fast it started faster then it had ever before. I tried without success to get the Commander upgraded to 24 volts or even two of its regular batteries clamped together but nobody in the sticks would make that call. It was a long time ago and I might have some of the details wrong, but I remember the "no", "no", "can't be done", "don't do it" responses I got until I gave up. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 9:03 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Bill, I hope you can find that, it might give us something to fight with. Jim A ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hamilton Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:21 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Moe, I can't immediately find it, but buried away in the FARs is a general provision to substitute modern gel cell for wet lead acid, it seem to me that, at most, the substitution needs only a field approval. About the only problem is the difference in weigh, and CofG. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard & Jacqui Thompson Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:00 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Jim & Moe, Whats the battery story? I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter. I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models they used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere. If you are interested I will find it and forward it. Cheers Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Moe, I am not able to go but am glad you are. I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough back bone to say yes. Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Folks, Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday. Moe Mills N680RR Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Jim Addington Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling the crooks that this is a safe place to rob. Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Feldtman Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... fyi --- State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students, faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus. CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting. This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not supported by the bill sponsor. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote: Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate, and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend oneself. I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven? This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need easier access to more lethal weapons. The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being killed by them. You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have answers, maybe only questions. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven to be an instant sedative. You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music, if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power. It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers. I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of. Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house 24 hours a day? Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him dead in his tracks...... Is that protected? Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their outhouse. It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got the room. But what are you going to do about Austin? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Feldtman To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy - except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document. I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun? The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying heat in the plane. bobf On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote: I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with Baywatch.) That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as faxes. I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad. It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because we're threatened. To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take. But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like it. I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them. Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone. I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row. A little punchy. (Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little company I work for.) Please resume your regular programming. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" To: Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact, nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... --> "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." - Barack Obama History Unfolding I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus. Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it.. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two. We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why? (JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and our economy, and reduce our will to resist.) We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not. We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why? We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why? We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose? Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so. And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe are more important.) Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why? I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now. This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again. And that is only the beginning.. As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read it right now. And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did - regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of course, How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what they voted for. If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history books. So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the world came to regret that he was not listened to. Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them. As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me.. I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe-and why I believe it. I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in the next elections. 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Thanks, Steve. I always knew you were a very considerate guy. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at Col-East Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 2:17 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Nico, I'm thinking maybe just this once I won't go into the valuable service the ACLU lawyers perform for our country..... ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:55 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... now yoy have steve all worked up again... :-) _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:48 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... This is my problem with the FAA, they are so afraid of their job and the real problem if they are afraid of attorneys and law suits. Greedy attorneys have just about killed this country and that is what makes up most of the Democratic Party. We don't have a chance. Jim A _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:20 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... I remember my 500's battery once went flat and a guy with a Centurion gave me a jump. His was a 24 volt system (I think) and it cranked the Lycomings so fast it started faster then it had ever before. I tried without success to get the Commander upgraded to 24 volts or even two of its regular batteries clamped together but nobody in the sticks would make that call. It was a long time ago and I might have some of the details wrong, but I remember the "no", "no", "can't be done", "don't do it" responses I got until I gave up. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Bill, I hope you can find that, it might give us something to fight with. Jim A _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hamilton Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:21 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Moe, I can't immediately find it, but buried away in the FARs is a general provision to substitute modern gel cell for wet lead acid, it seem to me that, at most, the substitution needs only a field approval. About the only problem is the difference in weigh, and CofG. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard & Jacqui Thompson Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:00 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Jim & Moe, Whats the battery story? I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter. I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models they used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere. If you are interested I will find it and forward it. Cheers Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Moe, I am not able to go but am glad you are. I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough back bone to say yes. Jim _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Folks, Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday. Moe Mills N680RR Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Jim Addington Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling the crooks that this is a safe place to rob. Jim _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Feldtman Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... fyi --- State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students, faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus. CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting. This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not supported by the bill sponsor. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote: Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate, and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend oneself. I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven? This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need easier access to more lethal weapons. The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being killed by them. You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have answers, maybe only questions. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven to be an instant sedative. You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music, if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power. It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers. I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of. Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house 24 hours a day? Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him dead in his tracks...... Is that protected? Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their outhouse. It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got the room. But what are you going to do about Austin? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Feldtman Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy - except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document. I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun? The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying heat in the plane. bobf On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote: I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with Baywatch.) That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as faxes. I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad. It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because we're threatened. To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take. But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like it. I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them. Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone. I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row. A little punchy. (Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little company I work for.) Please resume your regular programming. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact, nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... --> "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." - Barack Obama History Unfolding I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus. Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it.. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two. We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why? (JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and our economy, and reduce our will to resist.) We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not. We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why? We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why? We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose? Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so. And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe are more important.) Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why? I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now. This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again. And that is only the beginning.. As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read it right now. And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did - regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of course, How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what they voted for. If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history books. So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the world came to regret that he was not listened to. Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them. As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me.. I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe-and why I believe it. I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in the next elections. 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Steve, that would be a good move, some of us might stop emailing and come see you in person,. with a base ball bat. That bunch has done more harm to this country than can ever be corrected. Jim A _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at Col-East Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Nico, I'm thinking maybe just this once I won't go into the valuable service the ACLU lawyers perform for our country..... ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:55 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... now yoy have steve all worked up again... :-) _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:48 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... This is my problem with the FAA, they are so afraid of their job and the real problem if they are afraid of attorneys and law suits. Greedy attorneys have just about killed this country and that is what makes up most of the Democratic Party. We don't have a chance. Jim A _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:20 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... I remember my 500's battery once went flat and a guy with a Centurion gave me a jump. His was a 24 volt system (I think) and it cranked the Lycomings so fast it started faster then it had ever before. I tried without success to get the Commander upgraded to 24 volts or even two of its regular batteries clamped together but nobody in the sticks would make that call. It was a long time ago and I might have some of the details wrong, but I remember the "no", "no", "can't be done", "don't do it" responses I got until I gave up. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Bill, I hope you can find that, it might give us something to fight with. Jim A _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hamilton Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:21 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Moe, I can't immediately find it, but buried away in the FARs is a general provision to substitute modern gel cell for wet lead acid, it seem to me that, at most, the substitution needs only a field approval. About the only problem is the difference in weigh, and CofG. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard & Jacqui Thompson Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:00 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Jim & Moe, Whats the battery story? I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter. I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models they used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere. If you are interested I will find it and forward it. Cheers Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Moe, I am not able to go but am glad you are. I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough back bone to say yes. Jim _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Folks, Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday. Moe Mills N680RR Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Jim Addington Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling the crooks that this is a safe place to rob. Jim _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Feldtman Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... fyi --- State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students, faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus. CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting. This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not supported by the bill sponsor. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote: Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate, and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend oneself. I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven? This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need easier access to more lethal weapons. The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being killed by them. You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have answers, maybe only questions. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven to be an instant sedative. You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music, if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power. It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers. I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of. Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house 24 hours a day? Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him dead in his tracks...... Is that protected? Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their outhouse. It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got the room. But what are you going to do about Austin? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Feldtman Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy - except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document. I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun? The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying heat in the plane. bobf On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote: I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with Baywatch.) That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as faxes. I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad. It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because we're threatened. To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take. But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like it. I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them. Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone. I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row. A little punchy. (Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little company I work for.) Please resume your regular programming. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact, nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... --> "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." - Barack Obama History Unfolding I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus. Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it.. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two. We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why? (JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and our economy, and reduce our will to resist.) We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not. We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why? We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why? We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose? Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so. And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe are more important.) Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why? I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now. This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again. And that is only the beginning.. As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read it right now. And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did - regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of course, How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what they voted for. If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history books. So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the world came to regret that he was not listened to. Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them. As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me.. I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe-and why I believe it. I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in the next elections. 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I got both done at the same time on my 500S and together they got me 10 knots extra TAS From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig kennedy Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2009 3:00 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander - Winglets... If the response could also include opinions/data on the flap gap seals as well please! Craig --- On Tue, 5/12/09, Marcos Della wrote: From: Marcos Della Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander - Winglets... Didn't know if this was an airplane mailing list or a gunsite mailing list :-) Anyway, does anyone have experiance with winglets and the 560 Aero Commander? That is, are they worth the cost, who has the best setup/STC/whatever for justification... I have a torn apart 560 that I'm in the process of restoring (have been for a couple of years) and am slowly working through areas that might be considered unusual for the older Aero Commanders... 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