---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/13/09: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:19 AM - Re: Re: It is time... (Steve W) 2. 07:12 AM - Re: Re: It is time... (Jim Addington) 3. 07:45 AM - Re: Re: It is time... (Moe-rosspistons) 4. 07:54 AM - Re: Aero Commander - Winglets... (Moe-rosspistons) 5. 06:09 PM - Re: Aero Commander - Winglets... (yourtcfg@aol.com) 6. 06:21 PM - Re: Aero Commander - Winglets... (white_rhino_ps@yahoo.com) 7. 07:19 PM - 2 12V BATTERIES (yourtcfg@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:19:53 AM PST US From: "Steve W" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... It was a joke Jim. And you shouldn't bring a baseball bat to a gun fight. But when you do come with the posse, do me a favor and approach the house slowly. We'll first be using the 2" potato canon because I don't want to hurt anyone. This thing takes a really long time to reload. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Addington To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:35 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Steve, that would be a good move, some of us might stop emailing and come see you in person,. with a base ball bat. That bunch has done more harm to this country than can ever be corrected. Jim A ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at Col-East Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:17 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Nico, I'm thinking maybe just this once I won't go into the valuable service the ACLU lawyers perform for our country..... ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:55 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... now yoy have steve all worked up again... :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:48 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... This is my problem with the FAA, they are so afraid of their job and the real problem if they are afraid of attorneys and law suits. Greedy attorneys have just about killed this country and that is what makes up most of the Democratic Party. We don't have a chance. Jim A ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:20 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... I remember my 500's battery once went flat and a guy with a Centurion gave me a jump. His was a 24 volt system (I think) and it cranked the Lycomings so fast it started faster then it had ever before. I tried without success to get the Commander upgraded to 24 volts or even two of its regular batteries clamped together but nobody in the sticks would make that call. It was a long time ago and I might have some of the details wrong, but I remember the "no", "no", "can't be done", "don't do it" responses I got until I gave up. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 9:03 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Bill, I hope you can find that, it might give us something to fight with. Jim A ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hamilton Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:21 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Moe, I can't immediately find it, but buried away in the FARs is a general provision to substitute modern gel cell for wet lead acid, it seem to me that, at most, the substitution needs only a field approval. About the only problem is the difference in weigh, and CofG. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard & Jacqui Thompson Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:00 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Jim & Moe, Whats the battery story? I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter. I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models they used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere. If you are interested I will find it and forward it. Cheers Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Moe, I am not able to go but am glad you are. I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough back bone to say yes. Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Folks, Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday. Moe Mills N680RR Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Jim Addington Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling the crooks that this is a safe place to rob. Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Feldtman Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... fyi --- State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students, faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus. CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting. This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not supported by the bill sponsor. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote: Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate, and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend oneself. I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven? This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need easier access to more lethal weapons. The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being killed by them. You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have answers, maybe only questions. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven to be an instant sedative. You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music, if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power. It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers. I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of. Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house 24 hours a day? Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him dead in his tracks...... Is that protected? Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their outhouse. It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got the room. But what are you going to do about Austin? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Feldtman To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy - except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document. I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun? The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying heat in the plane. bobf On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote: I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with Baywatch.) That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as faxes. I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad. It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because we're threatened. To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take. But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like it. I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them. Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone. I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row. A little punchy. (Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little company I work for.) Please resume your regular programming. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" To: Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact, nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... --> "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." - Barack Obama History Unfolding I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus. Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it.. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two. We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why? (JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and our economy, and reduce our will to resist.) We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not. We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why? We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why? We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose? Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so. And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe are more important.) Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why? I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now. This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again. And that is only the beginning.. As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read it right now. And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did - regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of course, How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what they voted for. If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history books. So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the world came to regret that he was not listened to. Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them. As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me.. I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe-and why I believe it. I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in the next elections. 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Steve, I hope you took what I said as a joke about coming over, I do believe the ACLU has hone this country harm. Jim _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:18 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... It was a joke Jim. And you shouldn't bring a baseball bat to a gun fight. But when you do come with the posse, do me a favor and approach the house slowly. We'll first be using the 2" potato canon because I don't want to hurt anyone. This thing takes a really long time to reload. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:35 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Steve, that would be a good move, some of us might stop emailing and come see you in person,. with a base ball bat. That bunch has done more harm to this country than can ever be corrected. Jim A _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at Col-East Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Nico, I'm thinking maybe just this once I won't go into the valuable service the ACLU lawyers perform for our country..... ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:55 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... now yoy have steve all worked up again... :-) _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:48 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... This is my problem with the FAA, they are so afraid of their job and the real problem if they are afraid of attorneys and law suits. Greedy attorneys have just about killed this country and that is what makes up most of the Democratic Party. We don't have a chance. Jim A _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:20 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... I remember my 500's battery once went flat and a guy with a Centurion gave me a jump. His was a 24 volt system (I think) and it cranked the Lycomings so fast it started faster then it had ever before. I tried without success to get the Commander upgraded to 24 volts or even two of its regular batteries clamped together but nobody in the sticks would make that call. It was a long time ago and I might have some of the details wrong, but I remember the "no", "no", "can't be done", "don't do it" responses I got until I gave up. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Bill, I hope you can find that, it might give us something to fight with. Jim A _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hamilton Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:21 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Moe, I can't immediately find it, but buried away in the FARs is a general provision to substitute modern gel cell for wet lead acid, it seem to me that, at most, the substitution needs only a field approval. About the only problem is the difference in weigh, and CofG. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard & Jacqui Thompson Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:00 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Jim & Moe, Whats the battery story? I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter. I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models they used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere. If you are interested I will find it and forward it. Cheers Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Moe, I am not able to go but am glad you are. I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough back bone to say yes. Jim _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Folks, Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday. Moe Mills N680RR Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Jim Addington Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling the crooks that this is a safe place to rob. Jim _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Feldtman Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... fyi --- State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students, faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus. CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting. This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not supported by the bill sponsor. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote: Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate, and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend oneself. I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven? This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need easier access to more lethal weapons. The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being killed by them. You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have answers, maybe only questions. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven to be an instant sedative. You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music, if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power. It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers. I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of. Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house 24 hours a day? Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him dead in his tracks...... Is that protected? Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their outhouse. It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got the room. But what are you going to do about Austin? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Feldtman Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy - except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document. I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun? The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying heat in the plane. bobf On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote: I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with Baywatch.) That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as faxes. I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad. It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because we're threatened. To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take. But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like it. I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them. Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone. I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row. A little punchy. (Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little company I work for.) Please resume your regular programming. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact, nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... --> "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." - Barack Obama History Unfolding I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus. Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it.. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two. We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why? (JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and our economy, and reduce our will to resist.) We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not. We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why? We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why? We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose? Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so. And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe are more important.) Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why? I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now. This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again. And that is only the beginning.. As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read it right now. And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did - regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of course, How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what they voted for. If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history books. So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the world came to regret that he was not listened to. Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them. As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me.. I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe-and why I believe it. I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in the next elections. 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Bill, Thanks. My 680Fp came with a NiCad battery and was changed to a lead acid battery. In reading the early log books it appears that the NiCad was very problematic. Moe From: Steve W Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 3:18 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... It was a joke Jim. And you shouldn't bring a baseball bat to a gun fight. But when you do come with the posse, do me a favor and approach the house slowly. We'll first be using the 2" potato canon because I don't want to hurt anyone. This thing takes a really long time to reload. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Addington To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:35 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Steve, that would be a good move, some of us might stop emailing and come see you in person,. with a base ball bat. That bunch has done more harm to this country than can ever be corrected. Jim A ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve at Col-East Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:17 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Nico, I'm thinking maybe just this once I won't go into the valuable service the ACLU lawyers perform for our country..... ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:55 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... now yoy have steve all worked up again... :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:48 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... This is my problem with the FAA, they are so afraid of their job and the real problem if they are afraid of attorneys and law suits. Greedy attorneys have just about killed this country and that is what makes up most of the Democratic Party. We don't have a chance. Jim A ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:20 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... I remember my 500's battery once went flat and a guy with a Centurion gave me a jump. His was a 24 volt system (I think) and it cranked the Lycomings so fast it started faster then it had ever before. I tried without success to get the Commander upgraded to 24 volts or even two of its regular batteries clamped together but nobody in the sticks would make that call. It was a long time ago and I might have some of the details wrong, but I remember the "no", "no", "can't be done", "don't do it" responses I got until I gave up. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 9:03 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Bill, I hope you can find that, it might give us something to fight with. Jim A ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Hamilton Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:21 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Moe, I can't immediately find it, but buried away in the FARs is a general provision to substitute modern gel cell for wet lead acid, it seem to me that, at most, the substitution needs only a field approval. About the only problem is the difference in weigh, and CofG. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard & Jacqui Thompson Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:00 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Jim & Moe, Whats the battery story? I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something lighter. I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a service mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the models they used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere. If you are interested I will find it and forward it. Cheers Richard -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Moe, I am not able to go but am glad you are. I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost his contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12 aircraft gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have anyone with enough back bone to say yes. Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Folks, Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention this week in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday. Moe Mills N680RR Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Jim Addington Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big increase in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it you are not going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know better what you can do and had better not do. All the signs that say no guns allowed are telling the crooks that this is a safe place to rob. Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Feldtman Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... fyi --- State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed Handgun Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones. Adult students, faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who pass an extensive state and federal criminal records check, and who complete a rigorous handgun training course, should not be denied their right to self-defense simply because they study, live, work on or visit a college or university campus. CHLs have been lawfully carrying handguns for protection virtually everywhere in Texas for more than a dozen years, and there is no statistical data or evidence that they would suddenly transform into irresponsible criminals if legally allowed to enter a college or university setting. This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before the anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to the state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and urge them to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any amendments not supported by the bill sponsor. On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W wrote: Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when appropriate, and I know of a couple instances where friends and family both have only had to display some heat to turn away bad people intending to do harm. It is appropriate and constitutionally protected to be able to reasonably defend oneself. I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the technology of 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one man with a muzzle loading musket would have a difficult time killing two people. But now it is possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more people faster. Virginia Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13, Alabama was 10 or eleven? This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of rounds can be fired in minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a regular occurrence and it isn't even registering, or if it is at all its seen as further evidence we need easier access to more lethal weapons. The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms, does this right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been completely inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some constitutional rights, yet perfectly willing to give up on others in the name of being kept safe from terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and safety thing again, maybe. Having easy and unlimited access to any and all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at the same time on a macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being killed by them. You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe defend yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I don't have answers, maybe only questions. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because there is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a killing is fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be packing heat has been proven to be an instant sedative. You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor through other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new' country music, if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With gun control, you never know what he hides and what he is capable of doing knowing all you have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed dial. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why it was so odd during the last administration to watch so called conservatives cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive and Federal power. It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of keeping you safe, but no one seemed to consider it might not always be their guy and the rules were set up with the bigger picture in mind. Lower the bar for a President you like, allow him to bypass rule of law and courts, and then panic because the next one you don't like may inherit those similar powers. I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and determining how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for folks to wonder if all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred years later some folks figured they couldn't have meant black people also? Naw...... At the time this looked like a new and activist interpretation to many, and maybe it was. Real freedom isn't just for things I like and approve of. Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger and my neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with slugs, the pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained on his house 24 hours a day? Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and come to get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing up home-made anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop. Sure to stop him dead in his tracks...... Is that protected? Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing weed in their outhouse. It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows they've got the room. But what are you going to do about Austin? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Feldtman To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's own autonomy - except what the constitution says in clear black and white. it is NOT a living document for interpretation. I suggest we all re-read that document. I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in the last three months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus quietly begun? The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back to carrying heat in the plane. bobf On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W wrote: I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And Nico had written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart and well balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys maybe not being wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And New England and California? That's like mixing a New England version of the Waltons with Baywatch.) That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and the real author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is such crazy assed shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems to care if what is said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch of the far left about ten years ago over an environmental and farming issue when I had to learn the facts instead of parroting back the crap that was then coming through as faxes. I learned people were less interested in the truth than reinforcing something they already chose to believe. So a work program becomes evidence of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama supporters who will seize power and make you honkies listen to better music and eat salad. It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of fear. Fear of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from so many sources pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots as a class more vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to sacrifice everything that's best about us, pervert my values and live in perpetual fear because we're threatened. To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make people take. But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid ideas and opt out of Federal laws and programs, I think they should be allowed to. Like now, if the citizens of Texas think guns are really too hard to get and want to opt out of Federal laws designed to keep guns from bad guys, and automatic weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give it a wack and see if if you like it. I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is rural sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just frontier and people were spread out common sense and little interference makes more sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the population is packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules would work in cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's best for them. Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone. I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many weeks in a row. A little punchy. (Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the swell little company I work for.) Please resume your regular programming. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum" To: Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time... As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by Kaiser. In fact, nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS". Bummer: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Owens Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time... --> "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." - Barack Obama History Unfolding I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus. Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it.. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two. We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why? (JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our country and our economy, and reduce our will to resist.) We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not. We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why? We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why? We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose? Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and our entire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so. And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe are more important.) Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why? I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now. This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again. And that is only the beginning.. As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read it right now. And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did - regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of course, How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely got what they voted for. If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history books. So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. WhenWinston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the world came to regret that he was not listened to. Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them. As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me.. I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe-and why I believe it. I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in the next elections. 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I had both the flap gap seals and winglets done at the same time. The flap gap seals will increase your take off roll (as I remember about 150 feet). One sage told me that if the winglets were to be installed then the flap gap seals were a must as they would make up for the loss in airspeed that the winglets would cause. This seems about right. Having said this, if I had it to do over again I would have both installed because the winglets sure do improve the ramp presence of the plane. They are so cool that you almost don't notice that a large portion of the paint job is missing. Moe Mills N680RR 680Fp Proud holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: David Fitzgerald Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:39 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Aero Commander - Winglets... I got both done at the same time on my 500S and together they got me 10 knots extra TAS From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig kennedy Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2009 3:00 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander - Winglets... If the response could also include opinions/data on the flap gap seals as well please! Craig --- On Tue, 5/12/09, Marcos Della wrote: From: Marcos Della Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander - Winglets... To: commander-list@matronics.com Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 9:51 AM Didn't know if this was an airplane mailing list or a gunsite mailing list :-) Anyway, does anyone have experiance with winglets and the 560 Aero Commander? That is, are they worth the cost, who has the best setup/STC/whatever for justification... I have a torn apart 560 that I'm in the process of restoring (have been for a couple of years) and am slowly working through areas that might be considered unusual for the older Aero Commanders... Marcos htt --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:40 PM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander - Winglets... From: yourtcfg@aol.com Winglets look great, but an no performance gain, maybe a very small loss.? I have them on my Commander 680E and love the way they look.? Gap seals on the other hand do work as advertised.? The will improve the cruse about 3-5 kts.? The down side is they hurt the short field performance some, noticeably.? I would still install them.? Even from the short (1700) fields I fly from, the airplanes work fine.? What model 560 do you fly??? I am not certain that either upgrade is available on the straight 560.? jb -----Original Message----- From: craig kennedy Sent: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:00 am Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander - Winglets... If the response could also include opinions/data on the flap gap seals as well please! Craig --- On Tue, 5/12/09, Marcos Della wrote: From: Marcos Della Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander - Winglets... Didn't know if this was an airplane mailing list or a gunsite mailing list :-) Anyway, does anyone have experiance with winglets and the 560 Aero Commander?? That is, are they worth the cost, who has the best setup/STC/whatever for justification... I have a torn apart 560 that I'm in the process of restoring (have been for a couple of years) and am slowly working through areas that might be considered unusual for the older Aero Commanders... 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There was a post about the installation of 2 12V batteries in place of the large (very expensive) G-50C.? There is an old Commander?service letter (#52), from 1962, that allows that change with only a logbook entry.? I found this gem about 2 months after I replaced the G-50C?($750.00) IN MY OWN AIRPLANE!!!!!!? Oh well.? If you are a TCFG member, I will get you a copy.? The substitution of PMAed Gel Cells would not require anything beyond a log entry.? jb ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message commander-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/commander-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.