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1. 04:55 AM - Re: 2 12V BATTERIES (wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au)
2. 11:10 AM - Re: 2 12V BATTERIES (Marcos Della)
3. 11:14 AM - Re: Aero Commander - Winglets... (Marcos Della)
4. 12:44 PM - Re: Re: It is time... (Harry Merritt)
5. 01:43 PM - battery tray (Harry Merritt)
6. 02:04 PM - Help (Harry Merritt)
7. 05:41 PM - Re: 2 12V BATTERIES (lloyd SILVERMAN)
8. 07:06 PM - Re: Help (L D GIROD)
9. 09:09 PM - Re: Help ()
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Subject: | Re: 2 12V BATTERIES |
JB,
I would appreciate a copy, please.
I have a AC 500A, a copy of the service letter could prove very useful.
eMail would be the easy way to send it, or let me know if you want to post a copy.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
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> yourtcfg@aol.com wrote:
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HI KIDS.
There was a post about the installation of 2 12V batteries in place of the large
(very
expensive) G-50C.? There is an old Commander?service letter (#52), from 1962, that
allows
that change with only a logbook entry.? I found this gem about 2 months after I
replaced the
G-50C?($750.00) IN MY OWN AIRPLANE!!!!!!? Oh well.? If you are a TCFG member, I
will get you
a copy.? The substitution of PMAed Gel Cells would not require anything beyond
a log entry.?
jb
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Subject: | Re: 2 12V BATTERIES |
Well I could use a copy. I'm trying to replace the tray at the moment while
rebuilding the instrument panel and some other avionics. Being able to put
in two 12V in series rather than a single 28V would be nice.... Also to see
what was done to secure the batteries
mrd
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:18 PM, <yourtcfg@aol.com> wrote:
> HI KIDS.
> There was a post about the installation of 2 12V batteries in place of the
> large (very expensive) G-50C. There is an old Commander service letter
> (#52), from 1962, that allows that change with only a logbook entry. I
> found this gem about 2 months after I replaced the G-50C ($750.00) IN MY OWN
> AIRPLANE!!!!!! Oh well. If you are a TCFG member, I will get you a copy.
> The substitution of PMAed Gel Cells would not require anything beyond a log
> entry. jb
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Subject: | Re: Aero Commander - Winglets... |
Just spent some time on the phone the last few days. Turns out that the 680
winglet modification has the same setup for the 560 (and the STC covers the
560 although apparently none have ever been installed). As for the gap
seals, it turns out they had a typo on the STC when it went for improvement
(it had the 560A,B,F I think) but forgot to put the 560 straight. They are
in the process of checking with the authorizing office to see if this was a
mistake or intent (again, since no one has asked for the 560s it never came
up before as far as they knew).
Just my luck eh?
Anyway, turns out that one without the other doesn't sound like a good
combination so I'm waiting for then to talk to the FSDO as well to see if a
337 for the gap seals will be covered or if its going to be a long paperwork
trail to do...
Apparently there is no difference between the 560 and 560A wings when it
comes to the gap seals, where they mount, etc.
sigh
Marcos
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 6:02 PM, <yourtcfg@aol.com> wrote:
> Winglets look great, but an no performance gain, maybe a very small loss.
> I have them on my Commander 680E and love the way they look. Gap seals on
> the other hand do work as advertised. The will improve the cruse about 3-5
> kts. The down side is they hurt the short field performance some,
> noticeably. I would still install them. Even from the short (1700) fields
> I fly from, the airplanes work fine. What model 560 do you fly?? I am not
> certain that either upgrade is available on the straight 560. jb
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: craig kennedy <white_rhino_ps@yahoo.com>
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:00 am
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aero Commander - Winglets...
>
> If the response could also include opinions/data on the flap gap seals
> as well please!
>
> Craig
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> --- On *Tue, 5/12/09, Marcos Della <mdella@gmail.com>* wrote:
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> From: Marcos Della <mdella@gmail.com>
> Subject: Commander-List: Aero Commander - Winglets...
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 9:51 AM
>
> Didn't know if this was an airplane mailing list or a gunsite mailing list
> :-)
>
> Anyway, does anyone have experiance with winglets and the 560 Aero
> Commander? That is, are they worth the cost, who has the best
> setup/STC/whatever for justification...
>
> I have a torn apart 560 that I'm in the process of restoring (have been for
> a couple of years) and am slowly working through areas that might be
> considered unusual for the older Aero Commanders...
>
> Marcos
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Subject: | Re: It is time... |
I have the roll out tray
Harry
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----- Original Message -----
From: Marcos Della
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Sorry to jump in here as I am new to the mailing list...
I have a 560 and am trying to find the battery tray (last shop took it
out and "lost" mine). Additionally I'm trying to understand what you're
looking at doing with two G35s rather than the G50 battery...
Marcos
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Richard & Jacqui Thompson
<RnJThompson@aol.com> wrote:
Jim & Moe,
Whats the battery story?
I assume that you want to replace the large battery with something
lighter.
I have two G35 batteries in place of the G50. Aero Commander did a
service mod years ago. All I did was substitute modern batteries for the
models they used. Have all the paperwork here somewhere.
If you are interested I will find it and forward it.
Cheers
Richard
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Addington
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 12:22 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Moe,
I am not able to go but am glad you are.
I pestered John to death about the battery set up and he has lost
his contacts with the FAA. My AI is going to see if we can use two 12
aircraft gell cell batteries. It is sad that the FAA does not have
anyone with enough back bone to say yes.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Moe-rosspistons
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:17 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Folks,
Is anyone other than Linn and Myself going to the NRA convention
this week in Phoenix? We will be flying N680RR down on Thursday.
Moe Mills
N680RR
Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award
From: Jim Addington
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:31 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Every city, state and country that has banded guns has seen a big
increase in crime. If you go to the CHL class and work hard to get it
you are not going to do something stupid to lose it, plus, you know
better what you can do and had better not do. All the signs that say no
guns allowed are telling the crooks that this is a safe place to rob.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Feldtman
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:11 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
fyi ---
State Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) would allow Concealed
Handgun Licensees to protect themselves on the campuses of public
colleges and universities. Campus settings are not "crime-free" zones.
Adult students, faculty, staff and visitors who are 21 or older, who
pass an extensive state and federal criminal records check, and who
complete a rigorous handgun training course, should not be denied their
right to self-defense simply because they study, live, work on or visit
a college or university campus. CHLs have been lawfully carrying
handguns for protection virtually everywhere in Texas for more than a
dozen years, and there is no statistical data or evidence that they
would suddenly transform into irresponsible criminals if legally allowed
to enter a college or university setting.
This important self-defense reform needs to pass this year, before
the anti-gun extremists in Washington gain momentum that filters down to
the state level. Please call and email your State Representatives and
urge them to SUPPORT HB 1893 on the House floor and to OPPOSE any
amendments not supported by the bill sponsor.
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Steve W <steve2@sover.net> wrote:
Agreed in principle Nico. I've approved of family packing when
appropriate, and I know of a couple instances where friends and family
both have only had to display some heat to turn away bad people
intending to do harm. It is appropriate and constitutionally protected
to be able to reasonably defend oneself.
I do think there is a problem inherent in the advance of the
technology of 'arms'. When the framers wrote our founding documents, one
man with a muzzle loading musket would have a difficult time killing two
people. But now it is possible to quickly and efficiently kill lots more
people faster. Virginia Tech was 30 something people? Binghamton was 13,
Alabama was 10 or eleven? This wsn't done with a Peacemaker. Hundreds of
rounds can be fired in minutes. We're now seeing mass killings as a
regular occurrence and it isn't even registering, or if it is at all its
seen as further evidence we need easier access to more lethal weapons.
The point Nico, is that while I am guaranteed the right to arms,
does this right extend without limit? Its just odd how people have been
completely inflexible and absolutist when it comes to some
constitutional rights, yet perfectly willing to give up on others in the
name of being kept safe from terrorist bad guys. Its that fear and
safety thing again, maybe. Having easy and unlimited access to any and
all weapons make one 'feel' safer, while at the same time on a
macrocosmic scale increasing the likelyhood of being killed by them.
You could perform a robbery or murder with a 38 special, or maybe
defend yourself, but we're seeing something different happening now. I
don't have answers, maybe only questions.
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: nico css
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Come on, Steve. Nobody is going to shoot someone solely because
there is a gun in his hand. If there is enough motive and demeanor, a
killing is fixed, gun or not. Knowing the other guy might also be
packing heat has been proven to be an instant sedative.
You would be much more inclined to seek peace with your neighbor
through other means, even reasoning with him or getting to like 'new'
country music, if you know he has the same hardware that you do. With
gun control, you never know what he hides and what he is capable of
doing knowing all you have is your cell phone with 911 on your speed
dial.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve W
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 4:34 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
Yes. We were set up as a Republic and should remain so. That's why
it was so odd during the last administration to watch so called
conservatives cheerleading the seizing and consolidation of Exexcutive
and Federal power. It's a great idea if its your guy and in the name of
keeping you safe, but no one seemed to consider it might not always be
their guy and the rules were set up with the bigger picture in mind.
Lower the bar for a President you like, allow him to bypass rule of law
and courts, and then panic because the next one you don't like may
inherit those similar powers.
I don't know how one avoids having to read the Constitution and
determining how to apply the thing. It took over a hundred years for
folks to wonder if all men created equal meant women too. Two hundred
years later some folks figured they couldn't have meant black people
also? Naw...... At the time this looked like a new and activist
interpretation to many, and maybe it was. Real freedom isn't just for
things I like and approve of.
Keep and bear arms. I'm in a bad mood with an itchy trigger finger
and my neighbors playing that vapid 'new' country music again. Even with
slugs, the pump 20 isn't a big enough threat. Can I keep a 105mm trained
on his house 24 hours a day?
Sooner or later Milt is going to form his Commander list posse and
come to get me. If the land mines don't get him first, I've been mixing
up home-made anthrax, with scrapings from glowing watches and baby poop.
Sure to stop him dead in his tracks...... Is that protected?
Are Federal drug laws ok? What do I care if someone is growing
weed in their outhouse.
It is very reassuring to hear of the exodus to Texas. God knows
they've got the room. But what are you going to do about Austin?
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Feldtman
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
that's why the founders set up a Republic - each state has it's
own autonomy - except what the constitution says in clear black and
white. it is NOT a living document for interpretation. I suggest we all
re-read that document.
I've seen more "out of state" license plates here in Texas in
the last three months than I have ever seen before. Has the exodus
quietly begun?
The Republic of Texas won't have GA user fees! And I can go back
to carrying heat in the plane.
bobf
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Steve W <steve2@sover.net>
wrote:
<steve2@sover.net>
I wasn't going to spoil it for David. He's a good sport. And
Nico had written a very well thought out post. Even Milt wrote a smart
and well balanced one. (Until the other one about the Militia guys
maybe not being wackos. They are wackos but should be left alone. And
New England and California? That's like mixing a New England version of
the Waltons with Baywatch.)
That piece was written to inflame passion, anger and fear; and
the real author knew exactly what buttons to push to do so. There is
such crazy assed shit being said on all sides, but hardly anyone seems
to care if what is said is true or not. I remember pissing off a bunch
of the far left about ten years ago over an environmental and farming
issue when I had to learn the facts instead of parroting back the crap
that was then coming through as faxes.
I learned people were less interested in the truth than
reinforcing something they already chose to believe. So a work program
becomes evidence of an evil plot designed to create an army of Obama
supporters who will seize power and make you honkies listen to better
music and eat salad.
It so often comes down to the manipulation and reinforcement of
fear. Fear of loss, fear for safety, and the constant warnings now from
so many sources pointing out new and dire threats. (I wonder, are pilots
as a class more vigilant to identification of threat.) I'm not going to
sacrifice everything that's best about us, pervert my values and live in
perpetual fear because we're threatened.
To hell with political parties and the moronic sides they make
people take. But if a State wants to try some really, really stupid
ideas and opt out of Federal laws and programs, I think they should be
allowed to. Like now, if the citizens of Texas think guns are really too
hard to get and want to opt out of Federal laws designed to keep guns
from bad guys, and automatic weapons off the streets... Go for it. Give
it a wack and see if if you like it.
I think much of the time it is less right and left than it is
rural sensibilities against city requirements. When we were just
frontier and people were spread out common sense and little interference
makes more sense. With you people breeding like rabbits, too much of the
population is packed together like sardines. I'm not so sure rural rules
would work in cities, and I wouldn't want to tell those folks what's
best for them. Likewise out in the sticks, I like being left alone.
I'll quit now. Been working on a major project way too many
weeks in a row. A little punchy.
(Note: the views above definately do not represent those of the
swell little company I work for.)
Please resume your regular programming.
Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Vormbaum"
<john@vormbaum.com>
To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
<john@vormbaum.com>
As much as I loved reading this, alas, it wasn't written by
Kaiser. In fact,
nobody knows who wrote it except for the signature "TPS".
Bummer:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
David Owens
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:48 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: It is time...
--> <dowens@aerialviewpoint.com>
"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of
the world. I
hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."
- Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15
books on
history that have been published in six languages, and I have
studied
history all my life. I have come to think there is something
monumentally
large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis,
or a
mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they
are merely
single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming
into a
sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it
because I
know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people
react to it..
Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something
happening within
our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen
years. The pace
has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our
banks make
massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severlywound our
country and
our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has
little or no
real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars
(that is
$2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell
us to whom
or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine.
And that is
three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously
just this
past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are
the terms
unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I
thought this was a
government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our
elected leaders.
Apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally
de-industrializing our
economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our
history, and no
longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and
why we are
worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think
critically,
read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not
picketing,
school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close
election
(violently in California over a proposition that is so
controversial that it
simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and
one woman.
Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We
have
corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected
judges to write
laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream
Marxist
groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a
banana
republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in
free fall,
major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge
of
collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is medicare and
our entire
government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach
college and I
know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering
in its
length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten...
And we are at
war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending
people of the
same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of
your
children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows
anything about,
who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as
big
asWasilla, Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are
with real
radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we
learn about
him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely
you have
heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory
civilian
defense force stronger than our military for use inside our
borders? No? Oh,
of course. The media would never play that for you over and over
and then
demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and
$150,000 wardrobe
are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word:
Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children
as I am now.
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he
has never,
ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will
divide us
along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to
realign the pieces
into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed
coming. And when
it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning..
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come
to experience
what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s.
In those
times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser
from the
streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing.
What they
should have known was that he was associated with groups that
shouted,
shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he
edged his way
onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative
"losers" read
it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people
were losing
jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and
waved a lot.
And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear
that his
"brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which
they did -
regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a
full-throttled
economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly,
but surely
he seized the controls of government power, person by person,
department by
department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German
citizens were
at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where
they were
taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do
so. No Jews of
course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs
to the
jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the
military-industrial
complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating
gun control,
health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to
re-instill
pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the
world. He
did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did
this all in
the name of justice and .... . .. change. And the people surely
got what
they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in
the history
books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected
in 1933 and
were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed.
WhenWinston
Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated
in the
House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he
was booed into
his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though.
And the
world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most
cultured country
in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals,
laboratories, and
universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time
span than just
two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own
citizens,
killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against
parents, and
neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions,
of course.
The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional
decisions, I have
a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of
evidence tell me
(even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what
history is
shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can
hope I am
wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring
what is
transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will
scoff at me,
others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some
degree, perhaps
I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and
tell them
exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is
our vote in
the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown , Rhode Island
United States
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I have one
harry
321 267-3141
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I can not post a message
Harry
321 267-3141
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Subject: | Re: 2 12V BATTERIES |
*if you have service bulletin #52 i would greatly appreciate a copy .
thanks,lloyd email to lloydsss@gmail.com or fax # 914 667 2221*
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:18 PM, <yourtcfg@aol.com> wrote:
> HI KIDS.
> There was a post about the installation of 2 12V batteries in place of the
> large (very expensive) G-50C. There is an old Commander service letter
> (#52), from 1962, that allows that change with only a logbook entry. I
> found this gem about 2 months after I replaced the G-50C ($750.00) IN MY OWN
> AIRPLANE!!!!!! Oh well. If you are a TCFG member, I will get you a copy.
> The substitution of PMAed Gel Cells would not require anything beyond a log
> entry. jb
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Harry;
I am getting your messages.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Harry Merritt
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 5:03 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Help
I can not post a message
Harry
321 267-3141
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Hey Harry,
Getting you loud and clear right here downunder!
Cheers
Russell
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