---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/24/09: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:38 AM - Re: Sump Drain valve for 680F (Randy Dettmer, AIA) 2. 07:43 AM - Re: Sump Drain valve for 680F (Scottmain2003@aol.com) 3. 08:28 AM - Re: Sump Drain valve for 680F (Tom Fisher) 4. 09:06 AM - Re: Sump Drain valve for 680F (Randy Dettmer, AIA) 5. 12:55 PM - In the spirit of this holiday (nico css) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:59 AM PST US From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F Hi Moe, Thanks for the response. I think the challenge will be to get the valve removed and the fuel line capped without spraying gas all over the place. And then re-installing it. Any suggestions, short of de-fueling the tank..?? Randy Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 3:15 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F Randy, This valve (the twist valve that you access through the small door under the wing) looks suspiciously like the Eelco valve that I used to shut off the fuel in my D Altered 57 Chevy. Drag Car equipped with early Hilborn Injectors in about 1972. Meaning that it was military surplus. Most likely the valve needs to be removed and new "o" rings installed. You are correct that the valve is not listed in the Commander parts book, which is a very good thing.......................... Regards. Moe N680RR Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:57 PM Subject: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F The last time I drained fuel from the center tank sump, the valve did not close completely and fuel continued to drip overboard. After opening and closing several times, the dripping stopped. I have not opened the valve since, for fear of it sticking open again. Has anybody experienced this situation..?? I was unable to identify the valve in my parts manual. Is it the same in all Commanders..?? I may need a replacement valve. Anyone have one..?? Thanks. Randy Dettmer, AIA 680F / N6253X Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:21 AM PST US From: Scottmain2003@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F That sump is the low spot in the system. get a bunch of gerry cans and drain it dry. I know........someone stole all my gas one night. wasn't a drop left. In a message dated 5/24/2009 10:39:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rcdettmer@charter.net writes: Hi Moe, Thanks for the response. I think the challenge will be to get the valve removed and the fuel line capped without spraying gas all over the place. And then re-installing it. Any suggestions, short of de-fueling the tank..?? Randy Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com ____________________________________ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 3:15 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F Randy, This valve (the twist valve that you access through the small door under the wing) looks suspiciously like the Eelco valve that I used to shut off the fuel in my D Altered 57 Chevy. Drag Car equipped with early Hilborn Injectors in about 1972. Meaning that it was military surplus. Most likely the valve needs to be removed and new "o" rings installed. You are correct that the valve is not listed in the Commander parts book, which is a very good thing.......................... Regards. Moe N680RR Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: _Randy Dettmer, AIA_ (mailto:rcdettmer@charter.net) Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:57 PM Subject: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F The last time I drained fuel from the center tank sump, the valve did not close completely and fuel continued to drip overboard. After opening and closing several times, the dripping stopped. I have not opened the valve since, for fear of it sticking open again. Has anybody experienced this situation..?? I was unable to identify the valve in my parts manual. Is it the same in all Commanders..?? I may need a replacement valve. Anyone have one..?? Thanks. Randy Dettmer, AIA 680F / N6253X Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:40 AM PST US From: "Tom Fisher" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F Drain the tank, you don't want to fool around with combustibles under your loved possession. Tom C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Dettmer, AIA To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 7:37 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F Hi Moe, Thanks for the response. I think the challenge will be to get the valve removed and the fuel line capped without spraying gas all over the place. And then re-installing it. Any suggestions, short of de-fueling the tank..?? Randy Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 3:15 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F Randy, This valve (the twist valve that you access through the small door under the wing) looks suspiciously like the Eelco valve that I used to shut off the fuel in my D Altered 57 Chevy. Drag Car equipped with early Hilborn Injectors in about 1972. Meaning that it was military surplus. Most likely the valve needs to be removed and new "o" rings installed. You are correct that the valve is not listed in the Commander parts book, which is a very good thing.......................... Regards. Moe N680RR Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:57 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F The last time I drained fuel from the center tank sump, the valve did not close completely and fuel continued to drip overboard. After opening and closing several times, the dripping stopped. I have not opened the valve since, for fear of it sticking open again. Has anybody experienced this situation..?? I was unable to identify the valve in my parts manual. Is it the same in all Commanders..?? I may need a replacement valve. Anyone have one..?? Thanks. Randy Dettmer, AIA 680F / N6253X Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:37 AM PST US From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F Thanks guys. Good reason to go for a flight to burn up most of the fuel from the center tank before draining in to jugs. Randy. Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 8:28 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F Drain the tank, you don't want to fool around with combustibles under your loved possession. Tom C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 7:37 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F Hi Moe, Thanks for the response. I think the challenge will be to get the valve removed and the fuel line capped without spraying gas all over the place. And then re-installing it. Any suggestions, short of de-fueling the tank..?? Randy Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 3:15 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F Randy, This valve (the twist valve that you access through the small door under the wing) looks suspiciously like the Eelco valve that I used to shut off the fuel in my D Altered 57 Chevy. Drag Car equipped with early Hilborn Injectors in about 1972. Meaning that it was military surplus. Most likely the valve needs to be removed and new "o" rings installed. You are correct that the valve is not listed in the Commander parts book, which is a very good thing.......................... Regards. Moe N680RR Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:57 PM Subject: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F The last time I drained fuel from the center tank sump, the valve did not close completely and fuel continued to drip overboard. After opening and closing several times, the dripping stopped. I have not opened the valve since, for fear of it sticking open again. Has anybody experienced this situation..?? I was unable to identify the valve in my parts manual. Is it the same in all Commanders..?? I may need a replacement valve. Anyone have one..?? Thanks. Randy Dettmer, AIA 680F / N6253X Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:55:48 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: Commander-List: In the spirit of this holiday I thought I'd share this with you all. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." - Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's One of the serious problems in planning the fight against American doctrine, is that the Americans do not read their manuals, nor do they feel any obligation to follow their doctrine...- From a Soviet Junior Lt's Notebook "The best tank terrain is that without anti-tank weapons." -Russian military doctrine. ..At a prewar diplomatic conference, the Nazi Foreign Minister Ribbentrop "sniffed" to Eden and Churchill that if there was another war, the Italians would be on Germany's side! To which Churchill supposedly replied: "that seems only fair, we had them last time!"... "The reason the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the American Army practices it on a daily basis." - from a post-war debriefing of a German General Memorial Day Toasts & Quotes "To her we drink, for her we pray, our voices silent never. For her we'll fight -- let come what may, The Stars and Stripes forever." "Here's to the Army and Navy, and the battles they have won. Here's to America's colors-- The colors that never run!" "May the tree of liberty flourish round the globe, and every human being partake of its fruits." "May noise never excite us to battle, or confusions reduce us to defeat." EULOGY FOR A VETERAN Do not stand at my grave and weep. I am not there, I do not sleep. I am a thousand winds that blow. I am the diamond glints on snow I am the sunlight on ripened grain. I am the Gentle autumn rain. When you awaken in the mornings hush, I am the swift uplifting rush of quiet birds in circled flight, I am the soft stars that shine at night. Do not stand at my grave and cry, I am not there, I did not die. 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