---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/26/09: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:30 AM - Re: Sump Drain valve for 680F (MASON CHEVAILLIER) 2. 10:01 AM - Prop Locks on 690 Commander (Nick Martin) 3. 06:48 PM - Re: Prop Locks on 690 Commander (yourtcfg@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:49 AM PST US From: MASON CHEVAILLIER Subject: RE: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F I have replaced the drain valves in 70QT w/ the easy and rebuildable cessna drains. they work very well. Ck w/ gary Kromer at commander aero for par ts and paper work. gmc Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F From: yourtcfg@aol.com I have removed several with the airplane fueled=2C you need to be careful =2C well organized and fast!! jb -----Original Message----- From: Tom Fisher Sent: Sun=2C 24 May 2009 8:27 am Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F Drain the tank=2C you don't want to fool around with combustibles under you r loved possession. Tom C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Dettmer=2C AIA Sent: Sunday=2C May 24=2C 2009 7:37 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F Hi Moe=2C Thanks for the response. I think the challenge will be to get the valve re moved and the fuel line capped without spraying gas all over the place. An d then re-installing it. Any suggestions=2C short of de-fueling the tank.. ?? Randy Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo=2C CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Saturday=2C May 23=2C 2009 3:15 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F Randy=2C This valve (the twist valve that you access through the small door under th e wing) looks suspiciously like the Eelco valve that I used to shut off the fuel in my D Altered 57 Chevy. Drag Car equipped with early Hilborn Inject ors in about 1972. Meaning that it was military surplus. Most likely the valve needs to be removed and new "o" rings installed. You are correct that the valve is not listed in the Commander parts book=2C which is a very good thing.......................... Regards. Moe N680RR Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Randy Dettmer=2C AIA Sent: Saturday=2C May 23=2C 2009 1:57 PM Subject: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F The last time I drained fuel from the center tank sump=2C the valve did not close completely and fuel continued to drip overboard. After opening and closing several times=2C the dripping stopped. I have not opened the valve since=2C for fear of it sticking open again. Has anybody experienced this situation..?? I was unable to identify the valve in my parts manual. Is it the same in all Commanders..?? I may need a replacement valve. Anyone have one..?? Thanks. Randy Dettmer=2C AIA 680F / N6253X Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo=2C CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com Wanna slim down for summer? Go to America Takes it Off to learn how. 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HhDwCqyBAjPdgRAU/XRmv6APCHiwQFigBXrzoQsZQEAFbpDZoTv71ozIABBgUNq82P3ueM/7QAIC ADs ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:42 AM PST US From: "Nick Martin" Subject: Commander-List: Prop Locks on 690 Commander Has anyone out there had a prop lock string retainer come off with engine running ? This happened to my TPE 331 -10 . It appears that the spring pressure and centrifugal force of the retainer was all pressing against the cotter pin .The pin sheared off and the spring and retain fell out of my spinner as the engine ran down ..cotter pin was cad plated ,should it be stainless??? N674NM Nicolas E. Martin Martin Container, Inc. 1402 E. Lomita Blvd. Wilmington, Ca 90748 Tel: 310-830-5000, Fax : 310-830-2562 _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 9:06 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F Thanks guys. Good reason to go for a flight to burn up most of the fuel from the center tank before draining in to jugs. Randy. Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 8:28 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F Drain the tank, you don't want to fool around with combustibles under your loved possession. Tom C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 7:37 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F Hi Moe, Thanks for the response. I think the challenge will be to get the valve removed and the fuel line capped without spraying gas all over the place. And then re-installing it. Any suggestions, short of de-fueling the tank..?? Randy Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 3:15 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F Randy, This valve (the twist valve that you access through the small door under the wing) looks suspiciously like the Eelco valve that I used to shut off the fuel in my D Altered 57 Chevy. Drag Car equipped with early Hilborn Injectors in about 1972. Meaning that it was military surplus. Most likely the valve needs to be removed and new "o" rings installed. You are correct that the valve is not listed in the Commander parts book, which is a very good thing.......................... Regards. Moe N680RR Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award From: Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:57 PM Subject: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F The last time I drained fuel from the center tank sump, the valve did not close completely and fuel continued to drip overboard. After opening and closing several times, the dripping stopped. I have not opened the valve since, for fear of it sticking open again. Has anybody experienced this situation..?? I was unable to identify the valve in my parts manual. Is it the same in all Commanders..?? I may need a replacement valve. Anyone have one..?? Thanks. Randy Dettmer, AIA 680F / N6253X Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 4:35 PM ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: Prop Locks on 690 Commander From: yourtcfg@aol.com Nope, I have however had the springs beak and the pins stick.=C2- In eth er case the propeller will feather.=C2- jb Has anyone out there had a prop lock string retainer come off with engine running ? -----Original Message----- From: Nick Martin Sent: Tue, 26 May 2009 9:59 am Subject: Commander-List: Prop Locks on 690 Commander Has anyone out there had a prop lock string retainer come off with engine running ? This happened to my TPE 331 -10 . It appears that the spring pr essure and centrifugal force of the retainer was all pressing against the cotter pin .The pin sheared off and the spring and retain fell out of my spinner as the engine ran down .cotter pin was cad plated ,shoul d it be stainless??? N674NM =C2- Nicolas E. Martin Martin Container, Inc. 1402 E. Lomita Blvd. Wilmington, Ca 90748 Tel: 310-830-5000, Fax : 310-830-2562 From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 9:06 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F =C2- Thanks guys.=C2- Good reason to go for a flight to burn up most of the fuel from the center tank before draining in to jugs.=C2- Randy. =C2- =C2- Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA=C2- 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com =C2- From: owner-commande r-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics. com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 8:28 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F =C2- Drain the tank, you don't want to fool around with combustibles under your loved possession. Tom C-GISS ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 7:37 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F =C2- Hi Moe, Thanks for the response.=C2- I think the challenge will be to get the va lve removed and the fuel line capped without spraying gas all over the pla ce.=C2- And then re-installing it.=C2- Any suggestions, short of de-fu eling the tank..?? =C2- Randy =C2- =C2- Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA=C2- 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com =C2- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe-rosspistons Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 3:15 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F =C2- Randy, =C2- This valve (the twist valve that you access through the small door under the wing) looks suspiciously like the Eelco valve that I used to shut off the fuel in my D Altered 57 Chevy. Drag Car equipped with early Hilborn Injectors=C2-in about 1972 .=C2- Meaning that it was military surplus.=C2-=C2-Most likely=C2- the valve needs to be=C2-removed and new "o" rings installed. You are correct that the valve is not listed in the Commander parts book, which is a very good thing.......................... =C2- Regards. =C2- Moe N680RR Proud Holder of The Golden Pedal Award =C2- From: Randy Dettmer, AIA Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:57 PM Subject: Commander-List: Sump Drain valve for 680F =C2- The last time I drained fuel from the center tank sump, the valve did not close completely and fuel continued to drip overboard.=C2- After openin g and closing several times, the dripping stopped.=C2- I have not opened the valve since, for fear of it sticking open again.=C2- Has anybody ex perienced this situation..??=C2- I was unable to identify the valve in my parts manual.=C2- Is it the same in all Commanders..??=C2- I may need a replacement valve.=C2- Anyone have one..??=C2- Thanks. =C2- Randy Dettmer, AIA 680F / N6253X =C2- =C2- Dettmer Architecture 663 Hill Street San Luis Obispo, CA=C2- 93405 805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865 www.dettmerarchitecture.com =C2- date. 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