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1. 01:35 AM - Re: Very moving... (Robert S. Randazzo)
2. 09:23 AM - Re: Very moving... (Jim Addington)
3. 10:08 AM - Re: Very moving... (Bruce Campbell)
4. 10:14 AM - TCFG Fly-In (yourtcfg@aol.com)
5. 11:21 AM - Fuming Mad! (nico css)
6. 04:13 PM - Re: Fuming Mad! (Brock Lorber)
7. 04:37 PM - Re: Fuming Mad! (Brock Lorber)
8. 08:48 PM - Re: Fuming Mad! (Jim Addington)
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Don-
The Economist published a fantastic article explaining the relationship
between capitalism, greed and government regulation this past week. If you
can get a copy- do so.
I've always enjoyed the Economist because they really don't care to take
sides- they simply address things from the perspective of what is good from
an economic standpoint. This article pokes fun at those running around
screaming about socialism, but then turns the corner to wag a firm finger in
the direction of Washington to warn them of the potential pitfalls in the
current course of action.
I like well rounded. Astoundingly rare in this age of sound-bites and
talking-head-infighting.
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of L D GIROD
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Very moving...
Bruce & Andrew
I am a Capitalist through and through, although I do believe it must be
monitored lest Greed takes control.
In our current situation here in the USA, we have forced many people out of
work and to take substantial pay cuts for the greed of the bean counters.
In my opinion there is a "thin red line" between Capitalism and Greed, and
we walk a fine line to maintain this balance while still protecting our
Freedoms. Corruption enters the picture and we loose our freedoms and
increase our greed.
I have never understood how if I offer a cop a hundred dollars its a bribe
but if I give a thousand dollars to a PAC it is a donation, am I not really
trying to buy influence? Once again the question, how do we balance all
this, capitalism, freedom, & our constitutional rights. The pendulum
swings, however, when the government enters the picture, things seem to
really get screwed up. I don't know the answers, but I do have some
thoughts.
I tend to be a Libertarian at heart and believe in our Constitution as it is
written, but neither of the major parties want that to happen, in fact many
times I have trouble telling them apart.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: andrew.bridget@telus.net
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Very moving...
Bruce, the last line was a bit of humour aimed at getting a rise out of
these good Twin Commander people - compare a Twin Commander to Socialism?
Scandalous!
I do stand by what I said, though: socialism can only work in perfect
harmony - but it has to be perfect harmony in the society. I'm not passing
judgement on whether it is evil or good. What I said was "socialism is fine
if only everybody is equal and everybody wants it to the same degree." If
everybody in the socialist unit is equal and everybody wants socialism to
the same degree then everybody's judgement of it would be the same. That is
democracy. It is not a case of socialism never being able to work: where
socialism has worked for those in the system is where it is totally
voluntary and where they share the same belief, for example, monasteries and
kibbutzim.
I once read an inspirational story about a man who was taken on a tour of
"heaven" and "hell". He was taken to "hell" first - there he saw people
starving, screaming, fighting each other, even resorting to cannibalism. As
if to torture them further in the middle of the room, but surrounded by
fire, was a huge pot of delicious food. The only way people could get at the
food was with long handled spoons, but the spoons were so long that once
they filled the spoon from the pot, they couldn't get it into their mouths.
The second room was "heaven" and it was almost the same: same pot of food,
same surrounding fire, same long handled spoons, but all the people were
contented and well-fed. The man asked his guide why this group was well-fed
and content. His guide replied, "Here they have learned to feed each other."
>From a personal perspective I am no socialist - capitalist to the hilt - but
I do tend to lean more to the side of altruism. I am interested in
anthropology and what makes people think the way they do - like the woman in
the grocery line-up and the altruistic side of me feels bad for her and her
situation, whatever it may be.
God bless,
Andrew
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I am going to through my 2 cents in.
http://www.ignatius-piazza-front-sight.com/firearms44
Go to the second video. It explains a lot.
Jim
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S.
Randazzo
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 2:45 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Very moving...
Don-
The Economist published a fantastic article explaining the relationship
between capitalism, greed and government regulation this past week. If you
can get a copy- do so.
I've always enjoyed the Economist because they really don't care to take
sides- they simply address things from the perspective of what is good from
an economic standpoint. This article pokes fun at those running around
screaming about socialism, but then turns the corner to wag a firm finger in
the direction of Washington to warn them of the potential pitfalls in the
current course of action.
I like well rounded. Astoundingly rare in this age of sound-bites and
talking-head-infighting.
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of L D GIROD
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Very moving...
Bruce & Andrew
I am a Capitalist through and through, although I do believe it must be
monitored lest Greed takes control.
In our current situation here in the USA, we have forced many people out of
work and to take substantial pay cuts for the greed of the bean counters.
In my opinion there is a "thin red line" between Capitalism and Greed, and
we walk a fine line to maintain this balance while still protecting our
Freedoms. Corruption enters the picture and we loose our freedoms and
increase our greed.
I have never understood how if I offer a cop a hundred dollars its a bribe
but if I give a thousand dollars to a PAC it is a donation, am I not really
trying to buy influence? Once again the question, how do we balance all
this, capitalism, freedom, & our constitutional rights. The pendulum
swings, however, when the government enters the picture, things seem to
really get screwed up. I don't know the answers, but I do have some
thoughts.
I tend to be a Libertarian at heart and believe in our Constitution as it is
written, but neither of the major parties want that to happen, in fact many
times I have trouble telling them apart.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: andrew.bridget@telus.net
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Very moving...
Bruce, the last line was a bit of humour aimed at getting a rise out of
these good Twin Commander people - compare a Twin Commander to Socialism?
Scandalous!
I do stand by what I said, though: socialism can only work in perfect
harmony - but it has to be perfect harmony in the society. I'm not passing
judgement on whether it is evil or good. What I said was "socialism is fine
if only everybody is equal and everybody wants it to the same degree." If
everybody in the socialist unit is equal and everybody wants socialism to
the same degree then everybody's judgement of it would be the same. That is
democracy. It is not a case of socialism never being able to work: where
socialism has worked for those in the system is where it is totally
voluntary and where they share the same belief, for example, monasteries and
kibbutzim.
I once read an inspirational story about a man who was taken on a tour of
"heaven" and "hell". He was taken to "hell" first - there he saw people
starving, screaming, fighting each other, even resorting to cannibalism. As
if to torture them further in the middle of the room, but surrounded by
fire, was a huge pot of delicious food. The only way people could get at the
food was with long handled spoons, but the spoons were so long that once
they filled the spoon from the pot, they couldn't get it into their mouths.
The second room was "heaven" and it was almost the same: same pot of food,
same surrounding fire, same long handled spoons, but all the people were
contented and well-fed. The man asked his guide why this group was well-fed
and content. His guide replied, "Here they have learned to feed each other."
>From a personal perspective I am no socialist - capitalist to the hilt - but
I do tend to lean more to the side of altruism. I am interested in
anthropology and what makes people think the way they do - like the woman in
the grocery line-up and the altruistic side of me feels bad for her and her
situation, whatever it may be.
God bless,
Andrew
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
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Amen
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 8:53 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Very moving...
I am going to through my 2 cents in.
http://www.ignatius-piazza-front-sight.com/firearms44
Go to the second video. It explains a lot.
Jim
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. Randazzo
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 2:45 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Very moving...
Don-
The Economist published a fantastic article explaining the relationship bet
ween capitalism, greed and government regulation this past week. If you ca
n get a copy- do so...
I've always enjoyed the Economist because they really don't care to take si
des- they simply address things from the perspective of what is good from a
n economic standpoint. This article pokes fun at those running around scre
aming about socialism, but then turns the corner to wag a firm finger in th
e direction of Washington to warn them of the potential pitfalls in the cur
rent course of action.
I like well rounded... Astoundingly rare in this age of sound-bites and ta
lking-head-infighting...
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of L D GIROD
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Very moving...
Bruce & Andrew
I am a Capitalist through and through, although I do believe it must be mon
itored lest Greed takes control.
In our current situation here in the USA, we have forced many people out of
work and to take substantial pay cuts for the greed of the bean counters.
In my opinion there is a "thin red line" between Capitalism and Greed, and
we walk a fine line to maintain this balance while still protecting our Fr
eedoms. Corruption enters the picture and we loose our freedoms and increa
se our greed.
I have never understood how if I offer a cop a hundred dollars its a bribe
but if I give a thousand dollars to a PAC it is a donation, am I not really
trying to buy influence? Once again the question, how do we balance all t
his, capitalism, freedom, & our constitutional rights. The pendulum swings
, however, when the government enters the picture, things seem to really ge
t screwed up. I don't know the answers, but I do have some thoughts.
I tend to be a Libertarian at heart and believe in our Constitution as it i
s written, but neither of the major parties want that to happen, in fact ma
ny times I have trouble telling them apart.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: andrew.bridget@telus.net<mailto:andrew.bridget@telus.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Very moving...
Bruce, the last line was a bit of humour aimed at getting a rise out of the
se good Twin Commander people - compare a Twin Commander to Socialism? Scan
dalous!
I do stand by what I said, though: socialism can only work in perfect harmo
ny - but it has to be perfect harmony in the society. I'm not passing judge
ment on whether it is evil or good. What I said was "socialism is fine if o
nly everybody is equal and everybody wants it to the same degree." If every
body in the socialist unit is equal and everybody wants socialism to the sa
me degree then everybody's judgement of it would be the same. That is democ
racy. It is not a case of socialism never being able to work: where sociali
sm has worked for those in the system is where it is totally voluntary and
where they share the same belief, for example, monasteries and kibbutzim.
I once read an inspirational story about a man who was taken on a tour of "
heaven" and "hell". He was taken to "hell" first - there he saw people star
ving, screaming, fighting each other, even resorting to cannibalism. As if
to torture them further in the middle of the room, but surrounded by fire,
was a huge pot of delicious food. The only way people could get at the food
was with long handled spoons, but the spoons were so long that once they f
illed the spoon from the pot, they couldn't get it into their mouths. The s
econd room was "heaven" and it was almost the same: same pot of food, same
surrounding fire, same long handled spoons, but all the people were content
ed and well-fed. The man asked his guide why this group was well-fed and co
ntent. His guide replied, "Here they have learned to feed each other."
>From a personal perspective I am no socialist - capitalist to the hilt - bu
t I do tend to lean more to the side of altruism. I am interested in anthro
pology and what makes people think the way they do - like the woman in the
grocery line-up and the altruistic side of me feels bad for her and her sit
uation, whatever it may be.
God bless,
Andrew
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Hi Kids,
The registration packets for the Fly-In will be mailed to members this weekend.?
If you don't receive one and would like one, let us know and we'll be glad to
mail it to you.?
As mentioned previously we will be in Carson City Nevada this year and will combine
our Fly-in with the Reno Air Races.? Because of this it is important that
you book early as rooms and cars will go fast and if you wait until the last
minute there may not be anything available.?
Tentative schedule for the event is as follows:
Wednesday??????????????? Arrival Day and Welcome Dinner
Thursday??????????????????? Seminars and Awards Banquet
Fri, Sat & Sun???????????? Attend Reno Air Races
We have booked a box seat on the flght line at the races.? Cost will be $325 per
person for the entire race event and in addition to the box seat this includes
daily parking, daily pit passes and allows us to bring in a couple of coolers
each day.? The box seat holds up to 15 people so we will need to have you reserve
early so if needed we can obtain another box seat.? You would also have
the option of buying general admission or reserved bleacher seating.?
Looking forward to seeing you all at this event.?
Jim & Sue
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Folks,
I am fuming mad.
The Long Beach action against private citizens is an atrocity. One can
understand if there were concerns for suspicious or dangerous persons on
that flight, but from all accounts this was a flight by all standards
similar to an outing with the family in one's automobile in the countryside.
Some brainless twit in Long Beach with a jackboot fetish decided to show his
or her prowess that day and ordered a full-scale scare initiative. I was
taught from childhood that you don't point a firearm at anybody unless you
are prepared to use it. There is no justification for assuming otherwise
with law enforcement.
Shame on Kelly Ivahnenko for defending this outrageous behavior of the rogue
priests of covert fascism. What would you have done, Kelly, if one of the
drawn weapons discharged accidentally? Or, suppose one of the passengers
lowered his hand to open the door or prevent from stumbling trying to get
out of the plane under extreme duress and one of the officers perceived that
as reaching for a weapon? I can already hear your sheepish and inadequate
response by extrapolating it from your answer here. What a shameful thing to
defend! Those who do not advocate for your dismissal and those at Long
Beach, for incompetence, is just as guilty.
Stressing that this experience is not what most pilots should expect when
they are checked by the CBP is a shameful and ignorant statement, insulting
everybody's intelligence including yours. Tell us, then, Kelly, what should
pilots expect when they are checked by the CBP? What percentage could expect
drawn weapons pointed at their parents or children that happen to be with
them that day? And don't say that it will happen only when there is
justified belief of a suspicious passenger or pilot involved because you
already defended an action where such prior knowledge was not present; on
the contrary, all indications were that there were no suspicious persons on
board that flight. If your agency embarked on a course to totally destroy
general aviation, you have certainly shown the methods by which you want to
accomplish that goal.
I would sue their friggin' pants off, Perry, not to inhibit legitimate
pursuit of security but to eradicate this and exactly this kind of tyranny.
Nico
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From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rocketman
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 7:22 AM
Subject: Rocket-List: Back in the USSR!
So tell me what does this mean for us peons?
As seen in AVweb
A total of 454 airports will be subject to the TSA's latest Security
Directive (SD-8G) restricting the movements of transient pilots, EAA said
<http://eaa.org/news/2009/2009-06-09_list.asp> this week. The list includes
airports in Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, American Samoa, and Guam as
well as in the U.S. Click here for
<http://eaa.org/news/2009/2009-06-09_tsa_airportlist.pdf> the full list
(PDF). The directive took effect June 1 and requires pilots to "remain close
to their aircraft," leaving it only for trips to and from the FBO or airport
exit, according to
<http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/articles/2009/090528tsa.html> AOPA, although
some airports may also offer escorts to transient pilots.
Since individual airports may develop a variety of programs that would
satisfy the TSA directive, pilots need to call ahead to their destinations
and ask the airport operator or an FBO on the field for information about
that airport's security requirements, EAA says. The TSA is expected to
provide future guidance regarding self-fueling and emergencies. The full
text of the security directive has not been made public. The new listing of
airports is not the same as a list
<http://www.avweb.com/pdf/general_aviation_affected_airports_2009-01.pdf> of
airports (PDF) released by the TSA in January for the Large Aircraft
Security Program.
CUSTOMS
<http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1392-full.html#200528> AND
BORDER PROTECTION JUSTIFIES RAMP CHECK
A spokeswoman for the Washington headquarters of U.S. Customs and Border
Protection (CBP) says the drawing of weapons in the ramp inspection of an
aircraft in Long Beach, Calif., last month was justified but not "normal."
Kelly Ivahnenko also told AVweb that general aviation pilots can expect more
ramp checks by CBP agents thanks to the newly-instituted Electronic Advance
Passenger Information System (eAPIS). She stressed it's unlikely many of the
checks will have the level of intensity employed May 22 with Long Beach,
Calif., pilot David Perry and his three passengers. Ivahnenko said in an
interview on Tuesday that there was a "heightened alert" involved in the
Long Beach operation but she also said she could not discuss the
circumstances that led to a more aggressive posture than normal by the CBP
and local police. She also said that while eAPIS had nothing to do with the
Long Beach inspection, information provided through eAPIS could result in
more frequent GA inspections. The system, which involves the online filing
of flight and passenger information for transborder flights, became
mandatory on May 18. In an interview
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/PilotProtestsCustomsCheck_200519-1.htm
l> and podcast <http://www.avweb.com/alm?podcast20090608&kw=RelatedStory>
with AVweb, Perry said he and his passengers were put in unnecessary peril
by gun-wielding enforcement officials. Ivahnenko stressed Perry's experience
is not what most pilots should expect if they're checked by the CBP. "This I
would not classify as common or routine," she said. She said the Long Beach
action was justified, even though the search turned up nothing illegal.
"While the involvement of more than one law enforcement agency and the
heightened alert of the situation were slightly unusual, it is within
(CBP's) authority to inspect inbound and outbound travelers, vehicles,
planes, cargo, etc.," she told AVweb. She also said that only the Long Beach
police officers assisting the operation actually drew weapons and CBP agents
kept theirs holstered, something Perry vehemently disputes. "Every one of
them had their weapons out," Perry said. More...
<http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1392-full.html#200528>
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...o'er the laaaand of the freeEEEE...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of nico css
Sent: Fri 6/12/2009 11:08 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Fuming Mad!
Folks,
I am fuming mad.
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Oh, and, 14 CFR 91.11:
"No person may assault, threaten, intimidate, or interfere with a
crewmember in the performance of the crewmember's duties aboard an
aircraft being operated."
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Brock
Lorber
Sent: Fri 6/12/2009 4:08 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fuming Mad!
...o'er the laaaand of the freeEEEE...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of nico css
Sent: Fri 6/12/2009 11:08 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Fuming Mad!
Folks,
I am fuming mad.
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Am I seeing a similarity to the SS.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock Lorber
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fuming Mad!
Oh, and, 14 CFR 91.11:
"No person may assault, threaten, intimidate, or interfere with a
crewmember in the performance of the crewmember's duties aboard an aircraft
being operated."
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Brock Lorber
Sent: Fri 6/12/2009 4:08 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fuming Mad!
...o'er the laaaand of the freeEEEE...
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of nico css
Sent: Fri 6/12/2009 11:08 AM
Subject: Commander-List: Fuming Mad!
Folks,
I am fuming mad.
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