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Fri 06/12/09


Total Messages Posted: 8



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     1. 01:35 AM - Re: Very moving... (Robert S. Randazzo)
     2. 09:23 AM - Re: Very moving... (Jim Addington)
     3. 10:08 AM - Re: Very moving... (Bruce Campbell)
     4. 10:14 AM - TCFG Fly-In (yourtcfg@aol.com)
     5. 11:21 AM - Fuming Mad! (nico css)
     6. 04:13 PM - Re: Fuming Mad! (Brock Lorber)
     7. 04:37 PM - Re: Fuming Mad! (Brock Lorber)
     8. 08:48 PM - Re: Fuming Mad! (Jim Addington)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:35:23 AM PST US
    From: "Robert S. Randazzo" <rsrandazzo@precisionmanuals.com>
    Subject: Very moving...
    Don- The Economist published a fantastic article explaining the relationship between capitalism, greed and government regulation this past week. If you can get a copy- do so. I've always enjoyed the Economist because they really don't care to take sides- they simply address things from the perspective of what is good from an economic standpoint. This article pokes fun at those running around screaming about socialism, but then turns the corner to wag a firm finger in the direction of Washington to warn them of the potential pitfalls in the current course of action. I like well rounded. Astoundingly rare in this age of sound-bites and talking-head-infighting. Robert S. Randazzo N414C From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of L D GIROD Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:30 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Very moving... Bruce & Andrew I am a Capitalist through and through, although I do believe it must be monitored lest Greed takes control. In our current situation here in the USA, we have forced many people out of work and to take substantial pay cuts for the greed of the bean counters. In my opinion there is a "thin red line" between Capitalism and Greed, and we walk a fine line to maintain this balance while still protecting our Freedoms. Corruption enters the picture and we loose our freedoms and increase our greed. I have never understood how if I offer a cop a hundred dollars its a bribe but if I give a thousand dollars to a PAC it is a donation, am I not really trying to buy influence? Once again the question, how do we balance all this, capitalism, freedom, & our constitutional rights. The pendulum swings, however, when the government enters the picture, things seem to really get screwed up. I don't know the answers, but I do have some thoughts. I tend to be a Libertarian at heart and believe in our Constitution as it is written, but neither of the major parties want that to happen, in fact many times I have trouble telling them apart. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: andrew.bridget@telus.net Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 6:41 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Very moving... Bruce, the last line was a bit of humour aimed at getting a rise out of these good Twin Commander people - compare a Twin Commander to Socialism? Scandalous! I do stand by what I said, though: socialism can only work in perfect harmony - but it has to be perfect harmony in the society. I'm not passing judgement on whether it is evil or good. What I said was "socialism is fine if only everybody is equal and everybody wants it to the same degree." If everybody in the socialist unit is equal and everybody wants socialism to the same degree then everybody's judgement of it would be the same. That is democracy. It is not a case of socialism never being able to work: where socialism has worked for those in the system is where it is totally voluntary and where they share the same belief, for example, monasteries and kibbutzim. I once read an inspirational story about a man who was taken on a tour of "heaven" and "hell". He was taken to "hell" first - there he saw people starving, screaming, fighting each other, even resorting to cannibalism. As if to torture them further in the middle of the room, but surrounded by fire, was a huge pot of delicious food. The only way people could get at the food was with long handled spoons, but the spoons were so long that once they filled the spoon from the pot, they couldn't get it into their mouths. The second room was "heaven" and it was almost the same: same pot of food, same surrounding fire, same long handled spoons, but all the people were contented and well-fed. The man asked his guide why this group was well-fed and content. His guide replied, "Here they have learned to feed each other." >From a personal perspective I am no socialist - capitalist to the hilt - but I do tend to lean more to the side of altruism. I am interested in anthropology and what makes people think the way they do - like the woman in the grocery line-up and the altruistic side of me feels bad for her and her situation, whatever it may be. God bless, Andrew


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    Time: 09:23:23 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@verizon.net>
    Subject: Very moving...
    I am going to through my 2 cents in. http://www.ignatius-piazza-front-sight.com/firearms44 Go to the second video. It explains a lot. Jim _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. Randazzo Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 2:45 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Very moving... Don- The Economist published a fantastic article explaining the relationship between capitalism, greed and government regulation this past week. If you can get a copy- do so. I've always enjoyed the Economist because they really don't care to take sides- they simply address things from the perspective of what is good from an economic standpoint. This article pokes fun at those running around screaming about socialism, but then turns the corner to wag a firm finger in the direction of Washington to warn them of the potential pitfalls in the current course of action. I like well rounded. Astoundingly rare in this age of sound-bites and talking-head-infighting. Robert S. Randazzo N414C From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of L D GIROD Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:30 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Very moving... Bruce & Andrew I am a Capitalist through and through, although I do believe it must be monitored lest Greed takes control. In our current situation here in the USA, we have forced many people out of work and to take substantial pay cuts for the greed of the bean counters. In my opinion there is a "thin red line" between Capitalism and Greed, and we walk a fine line to maintain this balance while still protecting our Freedoms. Corruption enters the picture and we loose our freedoms and increase our greed. I have never understood how if I offer a cop a hundred dollars its a bribe but if I give a thousand dollars to a PAC it is a donation, am I not really trying to buy influence? Once again the question, how do we balance all this, capitalism, freedom, & our constitutional rights. The pendulum swings, however, when the government enters the picture, things seem to really get screwed up. I don't know the answers, but I do have some thoughts. I tend to be a Libertarian at heart and believe in our Constitution as it is written, but neither of the major parties want that to happen, in fact many times I have trouble telling them apart. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: andrew.bridget@telus.net Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 6:41 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Very moving... Bruce, the last line was a bit of humour aimed at getting a rise out of these good Twin Commander people - compare a Twin Commander to Socialism? Scandalous! I do stand by what I said, though: socialism can only work in perfect harmony - but it has to be perfect harmony in the society. I'm not passing judgement on whether it is evil or good. What I said was "socialism is fine if only everybody is equal and everybody wants it to the same degree." If everybody in the socialist unit is equal and everybody wants socialism to the same degree then everybody's judgement of it would be the same. That is democracy. It is not a case of socialism never being able to work: where socialism has worked for those in the system is where it is totally voluntary and where they share the same belief, for example, monasteries and kibbutzim. I once read an inspirational story about a man who was taken on a tour of "heaven" and "hell". He was taken to "hell" first - there he saw people starving, screaming, fighting each other, even resorting to cannibalism. As if to torture them further in the middle of the room, but surrounded by fire, was a huge pot of delicious food. The only way people could get at the food was with long handled spoons, but the spoons were so long that once they filled the spoon from the pot, they couldn't get it into their mouths. The second room was "heaven" and it was almost the same: same pot of food, same surrounding fire, same long handled spoons, but all the people were contented and well-fed. The man asked his guide why this group was well-fed and content. His guide replied, "Here they have learned to feed each other." >From a personal perspective I am no socialist - capitalist to the hilt - but I do tend to lean more to the side of altruism. I am interested in anthropology and what makes people think the way they do - like the woman in the grocery line-up and the altruistic side of me feels bad for her and her situation, whatever it may be. God bless, Andrew http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 10:08:23 AM PST US
    From: Bruce Campbell <brcamp@windows.microsoft.com>
    Subject: Very moving...
    Amen From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Addington Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 8:53 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Very moving... I am going to through my 2 cents in. http://www.ignatius-piazza-front-sight.com/firearms44 Go to the second video. It explains a lot. Jim ________________________________ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert S. Randazzo Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 2:45 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Very moving... Don- The Economist published a fantastic article explaining the relationship bet ween capitalism, greed and government regulation this past week. If you ca n get a copy- do so... I've always enjoyed the Economist because they really don't care to take si des- they simply address things from the perspective of what is good from a n economic standpoint. This article pokes fun at those running around scre aming about socialism, but then turns the corner to wag a firm finger in th e direction of Washington to warn them of the potential pitfalls in the cur rent course of action. I like well rounded... Astoundingly rare in this age of sound-bites and ta lking-head-infighting... Robert S. Randazzo N414C From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of L D GIROD Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:30 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Very moving... Bruce & Andrew I am a Capitalist through and through, although I do believe it must be mon itored lest Greed takes control. In our current situation here in the USA, we have forced many people out of work and to take substantial pay cuts for the greed of the bean counters. In my opinion there is a "thin red line" between Capitalism and Greed, and we walk a fine line to maintain this balance while still protecting our Fr eedoms. Corruption enters the picture and we loose our freedoms and increa se our greed. I have never understood how if I offer a cop a hundred dollars its a bribe but if I give a thousand dollars to a PAC it is a donation, am I not really trying to buy influence? Once again the question, how do we balance all t his, capitalism, freedom, & our constitutional rights. The pendulum swings , however, when the government enters the picture, things seem to really ge t screwed up. I don't know the answers, but I do have some thoughts. I tend to be a Libertarian at heart and believe in our Constitution as it i s written, but neither of the major parties want that to happen, in fact ma ny times I have trouble telling them apart. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: andrew.bridget@telus.net<mailto:andrew.bridget@telus.net> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 6:41 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Very moving... Bruce, the last line was a bit of humour aimed at getting a rise out of the se good Twin Commander people - compare a Twin Commander to Socialism? Scan dalous! I do stand by what I said, though: socialism can only work in perfect harmo ny - but it has to be perfect harmony in the society. I'm not passing judge ment on whether it is evil or good. What I said was "socialism is fine if o nly everybody is equal and everybody wants it to the same degree." If every body in the socialist unit is equal and everybody wants socialism to the sa me degree then everybody's judgement of it would be the same. That is democ racy. It is not a case of socialism never being able to work: where sociali sm has worked for those in the system is where it is totally voluntary and where they share the same belief, for example, monasteries and kibbutzim. I once read an inspirational story about a man who was taken on a tour of " heaven" and "hell". He was taken to "hell" first - there he saw people star ving, screaming, fighting each other, even resorting to cannibalism. As if to torture them further in the middle of the room, but surrounded by fire, was a huge pot of delicious food. The only way people could get at the food was with long handled spoons, but the spoons were so long that once they f illed the spoon from the pot, they couldn't get it into their mouths. The s econd room was "heaven" and it was almost the same: same pot of food, same surrounding fire, same long handled spoons, but all the people were content ed and well-fed. The man asked his guide why this group was well-fed and co ntent. His guide replied, "Here they have learned to feed each other." >From a personal perspective I am no socialist - capitalist to the hilt - bu t I do tend to lean more to the side of altruism. I am interested in anthro pology and what makes people think the way they do - like the woman in the grocery line-up and the altruistic side of me feels bad for her and her sit uation, whatever it may be. God bless, Andrew http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution - The Commander-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - - List Contribution Web Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin.


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    Time: 10:14:57 AM PST US
    Subject: TCFG Fly-In
    From: yourtcfg@aol.com
    Hi Kids, The registration packets for the Fly-In will be mailed to members this weekend.? If you don't receive one and would like one, let us know and we'll be glad to mail it to you.? As mentioned previously we will be in Carson City Nevada this year and will combine our Fly-in with the Reno Air Races.? Because of this it is important that you book early as rooms and cars will go fast and if you wait until the last minute there may not be anything available.? Tentative schedule for the event is as follows: Wednesday??????????????? Arrival Day and Welcome Dinner Thursday??????????????????? Seminars and Awards Banquet Fri, Sat & Sun???????????? Attend Reno Air Races We have booked a box seat on the flght line at the races.? Cost will be $325 per person for the entire race event and in addition to the box seat this includes daily parking, daily pit passes and allows us to bring in a couple of coolers each day.? The box seat holds up to 15 people so we will need to have you reserve early so if needed we can obtain another box seat.? You would also have the option of buying general admission or reserved bleacher seating.? Looking forward to seeing you all at this event.? Jim & Sue


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    Time: 11:21:22 AM PST US
    From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
    Subject: Fuming Mad!
    Folks, I am fuming mad. The Long Beach action against private citizens is an atrocity. One can understand if there were concerns for suspicious or dangerous persons on that flight, but from all accounts this was a flight by all standards similar to an outing with the family in one's automobile in the countryside. Some brainless twit in Long Beach with a jackboot fetish decided to show his or her prowess that day and ordered a full-scale scare initiative. I was taught from childhood that you don't point a firearm at anybody unless you are prepared to use it. There is no justification for assuming otherwise with law enforcement. Shame on Kelly Ivahnenko for defending this outrageous behavior of the rogue priests of covert fascism. What would you have done, Kelly, if one of the drawn weapons discharged accidentally? Or, suppose one of the passengers lowered his hand to open the door or prevent from stumbling trying to get out of the plane under extreme duress and one of the officers perceived that as reaching for a weapon? I can already hear your sheepish and inadequate response by extrapolating it from your answer here. What a shameful thing to defend! Those who do not advocate for your dismissal and those at Long Beach, for incompetence, is just as guilty. Stressing that this experience is not what most pilots should expect when they are checked by the CBP is a shameful and ignorant statement, insulting everybody's intelligence including yours. Tell us, then, Kelly, what should pilots expect when they are checked by the CBP? What percentage could expect drawn weapons pointed at their parents or children that happen to be with them that day? And don't say that it will happen only when there is justified belief of a suspicious passenger or pilot involved because you already defended an action where such prior knowledge was not present; on the contrary, all indications were that there were no suspicious persons on board that flight. If your agency embarked on a course to totally destroy general aviation, you have certainly shown the methods by which you want to accomplish that goal. I would sue their friggin' pants off, Perry, not to inhibit legitimate pursuit of security but to eradicate this and exactly this kind of tyranny. Nico _____ From: owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rocket-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rocketman Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 7:22 AM Subject: Rocket-List: Back in the USSR! So tell me what does this mean for us peons? As seen in AVweb A total of 454 airports will be subject to the TSA's latest Security Directive (SD-8G) restricting the movements of transient pilots, EAA said <http://eaa.org/news/2009/2009-06-09_list.asp> this week. The list includes airports in Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, American Samoa, and Guam as well as in the U.S. Click here for <http://eaa.org/news/2009/2009-06-09_tsa_airportlist.pdf> the full list (PDF). The directive took effect June 1 and requires pilots to "remain close to their aircraft," leaving it only for trips to and from the FBO or airport exit, according to <http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/articles/2009/090528tsa.html> AOPA, although some airports may also offer escorts to transient pilots. Since individual airports may develop a variety of programs that would satisfy the TSA directive, pilots need to call ahead to their destinations and ask the airport operator or an FBO on the field for information about that airport's security requirements, EAA says. The TSA is expected to provide future guidance regarding self-fueling and emergencies. The full text of the security directive has not been made public. The new listing of airports is not the same as a list <http://www.avweb.com/pdf/general_aviation_affected_airports_2009-01.pdf> of airports (PDF) released by the TSA in January for the Large Aircraft Security Program. CUSTOMS <http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1392-full.html#200528> AND BORDER PROTECTION JUSTIFIES RAMP CHECK A spokeswoman for the Washington headquarters of U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) says the drawing of weapons in the ramp inspection of an aircraft in Long Beach, Calif., last month was justified but not "normal." Kelly Ivahnenko also told AVweb that general aviation pilots can expect more ramp checks by CBP agents thanks to the newly-instituted Electronic Advance Passenger Information System (eAPIS). She stressed it's unlikely many of the checks will have the level of intensity employed May 22 with Long Beach, Calif., pilot David Perry and his three passengers. Ivahnenko said in an interview on Tuesday that there was a "heightened alert" involved in the Long Beach operation but she also said she could not discuss the circumstances that led to a more aggressive posture than normal by the CBP and local police. She also said that while eAPIS had nothing to do with the Long Beach inspection, information provided through eAPIS could result in more frequent GA inspections. The system, which involves the online filing of flight and passenger information for transborder flights, became mandatory on May 18. In an interview <http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/PilotProtestsCustomsCheck_200519-1.htm l> and podcast <http://www.avweb.com/alm?podcast20090608&kw=RelatedStory> with AVweb, Perry said he and his passengers were put in unnecessary peril by gun-wielding enforcement officials. Ivahnenko stressed Perry's experience is not what most pilots should expect if they're checked by the CBP. "This I would not classify as common or routine," she said. She said the Long Beach action was justified, even though the search turned up nothing illegal. "While the involvement of more than one law enforcement agency and the heightened alert of the situation were slightly unusual, it is within (CBP's) authority to inspect inbound and outbound travelers, vehicles, planes, cargo, etc.," she told AVweb. She also said that only the Long Beach police officers assisting the operation actually drew weapons and CBP agents kept theirs holstered, something Perry vehemently disputes. "Every one of them had their weapons out," Perry said. More... <http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1392-full.html#200528>


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    Time: 04:13:06 PM PST US
    Subject: Fuming Mad!
    From: "Brock Lorber" <blorber@southwestcirrus.com>
    ...o'er the laaaand of the freeEEEE... -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of nico css Sent: Fri 6/12/2009 11:08 AM Subject: Commander-List: Fuming Mad! Folks, I am fuming mad.


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    Time: 04:37:15 PM PST US
    Subject: Fuming Mad!
    From: "Brock Lorber" <blorber@southwestcirrus.com>
    Oh, and, 14 CFR 91.11: "No person may assault, threaten, intimidate, or interfere with a crewmember in the performance of the crewmember's duties aboard an aircraft being operated." -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Brock Lorber Sent: Fri 6/12/2009 4:08 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fuming Mad! ...o'er the laaaand of the freeEEEE... -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of nico css Sent: Fri 6/12/2009 11:08 AM Subject: Commander-List: Fuming Mad! Folks, I am fuming mad.


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    Time: 08:48:59 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@verizon.net>
    Subject: Fuming Mad!
    Am I seeing a similarity to the SS. Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock Lorber Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 6:29 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fuming Mad! Oh, and, 14 CFR 91.11: "No person may assault, threaten, intimidate, or interfere with a crewmember in the performance of the crewmember's duties aboard an aircraft being operated." -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Brock Lorber Sent: Fri 6/12/2009 4:08 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fuming Mad! ...o'er the laaaand of the freeEEEE... -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of nico css Sent: Fri 6/12/2009 11:08 AM Subject: Commander-List: Fuming Mad! Folks, I am fuming mad.




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