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1. 05:42 AM - Re: Commander 680 FLP (Ray Mansfield)
2. 06:09 AM - Re: Commander 680 FLP (Tom Fisher)
3. 06:40 AM - Re: Commander 680 FLP (Ray Mansfield)
4. 06:42 AM - Re: Commander 680 FLP (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
5. 07:14 AM - Re: Commander 680 FLP (Tylor Hall)
6. 09:07 AM - Re: Commander 680 FLP (BobsV35B@aol.com)
7. 10:41 AM - Re: Commander 680 FLP (Brock Lorber)
8. 11:07 AM - Re: Commander 680 FLP (Ray Mansfeld)
9. 11:13 AM - Re: Commander 680 FLP (John Vormbaum)
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Subject: | Re: Commander 680 FLP |
Clear DayHi Robert,
Unfortunately I don't have a photo of the offending hyd line. Didn't
think to take a px when it was off the plane. The plane is in Ft.
Payne, AL now and I'm in Destin, FL so can't get a px at the moment.
Besides, it's real hard to see the line where it's located. It's just
forward of the accumulator in the left wheel well. One end is attached
to what I believe to be the pressure switch for the aux hyd pump, and
that's where it broke.
Ray M.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert S. Randazzo
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:18 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 680 FLP
Ray-
Can you send a photo of the offending segment? That would help some
of us with similar systems to identify and learn.
Robert S. Randazzo
N414C
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Mansfield
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:40 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: Commander 680 FLP
Hello Commander website folks,
The plane I fly is going through it's annual inspection and some
corrosion has been found on the left engine, left side motor mount. The
maintenance folks say it's bad enough that the mount must be replaced.
Sooooooo.....we're looking for a motor mount. I don't know the
details, part nos, etc. If you have knowledge of where such an animal
can be found or think you might have one, please call Brent Cowart, our
maintenance guy at 256-845-9129. He's the owner of Valley Aviation in
Ft. Payne, AL and knows part nos and details about the engine mount.
You can also email me or call with any information if that's easier.
A note to any Aero Commander 680FLP owners, MR RPM conversion. I
recently lost all hydraulics when a small hyd line in the left engine
wheel well broke. It broke at the flange where the line was secured by
the nut to the connector. I can't describe the part other than it was
normal aluminium tubing, not very long, about 4-5" with a compount curve
and was in front of the accumulator in the aft area of the left wheel
well. We lost all hydraulic fluid, gear, flaps, brakes and steering.
Landed at Birmingham, AL....there's a long runway there. Coasted into
the grass between the taxiway and ramp otherwise couldn't stop. No
damage to plane or pax. The boss was on board, but he's a cool guy.
You might want to check for cracked hydraulic lines if you have a
680FLP. Call me if you want more details.
Ray Mansfield
850-217-5185
N91ES
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Subject: | Re: Commander 680 FLP |
Clear DayThank you your notice I will check the line today.
I too have a deteriorating engine mount and need another, when you find
a source please share that with us.
Tom
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Mansfield
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:39 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander 680 FLP
Hello Commander website folks,
The plane I fly is going through it's annual inspection and some
corrosion has been found on the left engine, left side motor mount. The
maintenance folks say it's bad enough that the mount must be replaced.
Sooooooo.....we're looking for a motor mount. I don't know the
details, part nos, etc. If you have knowledge of where such an animal
can be found or think you might have one, please call Brent Cowart, our
maintenance guy at 256-845-9129. He's the owner of Valley Aviation in
Ft. Payne, AL and knows part nos and details about the engine mount.
You can also email me or call with any information if that's easier.
A note to any Aero Commander 680FLP owners, MR RPM conversion. I
recently lost all hydraulics when a small hyd line in the left engine
wheel well broke. It broke at the flange where the line was secured by
the nut to the connector. I can't describe the part other than it was
normal aluminium tubing, not very long, about 4-5" with a compount curve
and was in front of the accumulator in the aft area of the left wheel
well. We lost all hydraulic fluid, gear, flaps, brakes and steering.
Landed at Birmingham, AL....there's a long runway there. Coasted into
the grass between the taxiway and ramp otherwise couldn't stop. No
damage to plane or pax. The boss was on board, but he's a cool guy.
You might want to check for cracked hydraulic lines if you have a
680FLP. Call me if you want more details.
Ray Mansfield
850-217-5185
N91ES
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Subject: | Re: Commander 680 FLP |
Clear DayThanks Tom. Will let you know if I find a source.
RM
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Fisher
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 680 FLP
Thank you your notice I will check the line today.
I too have a deteriorating engine mount and need another, when you
find a source please share that with us.
Tom
C-GISS
680FLP (Mr.RPM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Mansfield
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:39 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander 680 FLP
Hello Commander website folks,
The plane I fly is going through it's annual inspection and some
corrosion has been found on the left engine, left side motor mount. The
maintenance folks say it's bad enough that the mount must be replaced.
Sooooooo.....we're looking for a motor mount. I don't know the
details, part nos, etc. If you have knowledge of where such an animal
can be found or think you might have one, please call Brent Cowart, our
maintenance guy at 256-845-9129. He's the owner of Valley Aviation in
Ft. Payne, AL and knows part nos and details about the engine mount.
You can also email me or call with any information if that's easier.
A note to any Aero Commander 680FLP owners, MR RPM conversion. I
recently lost all hydraulics when a small hyd line in the left engine
wheel well broke. It broke at the flange where the line was secured by
the nut to the connector. I can't describe the part other than it was
normal aluminium tubing, not very long, about 4-5" with a compount curve
and was in front of the accumulator in the aft area of the left wheel
well. We lost all hydraulic fluid, gear, flaps, brakes and steering.
Landed at Birmingham, AL....there's a long runway there. Coasted into
the grass between the taxiway and ramp otherwise couldn't stop. No
damage to plane or pax. The boss was on board, but he's a cool guy.
You might want to check for cracked hydraulic lines if you have a
680FLP. Call me if you want more details.
Ray Mansfield
850-217-5185
N91ES
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Subject: | Commander 680 FLP |
lost a line in west texas. in an emergency a John Deere tractor line will
get you home. gmc
From: hcourier@cox.net
Subject: Commander-List: Commander 680 FLP
Hello Commander website folks=2C
The plane I fly is going through it's annual inspection and some corrosion
has been found on the left engine=2C left side motor mount. The maintenanc
e folks say it's bad enough that the mount must be replaced.
Sooooooo.....we're looking for a motor mount. I don't know the details=2C
part nos=2C etc. If you have knowledge of where such an animal can be foun
d or think you might have one=2C please call Brent Cowart=2C our maintenanc
e guy at 256-845-9129. He's the owner of Valley Aviation in Ft. Payne=2C A
L and knows part nos and details about the engine mount.
You can also email me or call with any information if that's easier.
A note to any Aero Commander 680FLP owners=2C MR RPM conversion. I recentl
y lost all hydraulics when a small hyd line in the left engine wheel well b
roke. It broke at the flange where the line was secured by the nut to the
connector. I can't describe the part other than it was normal aluminium tu
bing=2C not very long=2C about 4-5" with a compount curve and was in front
of the accumulator in the aft area of the left wheel well. We lost all hyd
raulic fluid=2C gear=2C flaps=2C brakes and steering. Landed at Birmingham
=2C AL....there's a long runway there. Coasted into the grass between the
taxiway and ramp otherwise couldn't stop. No damage to plane or pax. The
boss was on board=2C but he's a cool guy.
You might want to check for cracked hydraulic lines if you have a 680FLP.
Call me if you want more details.
Ray Mansfield
850-217-5185
N91ES
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Subject: | Re: Commander 680 FLP |
What happened to MRRPMPerformance.com???
Their web site is down. The name seems to be available.
Didn't they hold the Mr RPM STC's?
Tylor Hall
On Jul 8, 2009, at 7:15 AM, MASON CHEVAILLIER wrote:
> lost a line in west texas. in an emergency a John Deere tractor
> line will get you home. gmc
>
> From: hcourier@cox.net
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Commander 680 FLP
> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:39:48 -0500
>
> Hello Commander website folks,
>
> The plane I fly is going through it's annual inspection and some
> corrosion has been found on the left engine, left side motor mount.
> The maintenance folks say it's bad enough that the mount must be
> replaced.
>
> Sooooooo.....we're looking for a motor mount. I don't know the
> details, part nos, etc. If you have knowledge of where such an
> animal can be found or think you might have one, please call Brent
> Cowart, our maintenance guy at 256-845-9129. He's the owner of
> Valley Aviation in Ft. Payne, AL and knows part nos and details
> about the engine mount.
>
> You can also email me or call with any information if that's easier.
>
> A note to any Aero Commander 680FLP owners, MR RPM conversion. I
> recently lost all hydraulics when a small hyd line in the left
> engine wheel well broke. It broke at the flange where the line was
> secured by the nut to the connector. I can't describe the part
> other than it was normal aluminium tubing, not very long, about 4-5"
> with a compount curve and was in front of the accumulator in the aft
> area of the left wheel well. We lost all hydraulic fluid, gear,
> flaps, brakes and steering. Landed at Birmingham, AL....there's a
> long runway there. Coasted into the grass between the taxiway and
> ramp otherwise couldn't stop. No damage to plane or pax. The boss
> was on board, but he's a cool guy.
>
> You might want to check for cracked hydraulic lines if you have a
> 680FLP. Call me if you want more details.
>
>
> Ray Mansfield
> 850-217-5185
> N91ES
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Commander 680 FLP |
Good Morning All,
Just a comment on hydraulic lines in general.
It was just a few months after the DC-10 was introduced to service when one
took off out of MIA and experienced a hydraulic system failure. The
captain declared his emergency and returned to MIA as expeditiously as possible.
When he landed two of the systems were totally inoperative and the third
was almost out of fluid. Another couple of minutes and the airplane would
have been uncontrollable.
It seems that all three of the hydraulic systems were mounted with slightly
flexible mounts to the aircraft structure, but all of the hydraulic lines
were solid tubing.
The primary unit failed.
The secondary took over as it should but the additional strain failed one
of it's supply tubes as well.
The third system was supplying control, but a crack developed in it's
tubing and fluid was being lost. I may have some of the details all wrong, but
the fix was to replace all of the connecting tubing with flexible lines in
lieu of the fixed tubing.
It was a fleet wide mandatory immediate action AD.
If the short tubing in the Aero Commander could possibly be replaced with a
hunk of high quality flexible tubing, it is certainly something I would
consider doing!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 7/8/2009 8:42:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
kamala@MSN.COM writes:
lost a line in west texas. in an emergency a John Deere tractor line will
get you home. gmc
____________________________________
From: hcourier@cox.net
Subject: Commander-List: Commander 680 FLP
Hello Commander website folks,
The plane I fly is going through it's annual inspection and some corrosion
has been found on the left engine, left side motor mount. The maintenance
folks say it's bad enough that the mount must be replaced.
Sooooooo.....we're looking for a motor mount. I don't know the details,
part nos, etc. If you have knowledge of where such an animal can be found
or think you might have one, please call Brent Cowart, our maintenance guy
at 256-845-9129. He's the owner of Valley Aviation in Ft. Payne, AL and
knows part nos and details about the engine mount.
You can also email me or call with any information if that's easier.
A note to any Aero Commander 680FLP owners, MR RPM conversion. I recently
lost all hydraulics when a small hyd line in the left engine wheel well
broke. It broke at the flange where the line was secured by the nut to the
connector. I can't describe the part other than it was normal aluminium
tubing, not very long, about 4-5" with a compount curve and was in front of
the accumulator in the aft area of the left wheel well. We lost all
hydraulic fluid, gear, flaps, brakes and steering. Landed at Birmingham,
AL....there's a long runway there. Coasted into the grass between the taxiway
and
ramp otherwise couldn't stop. No damage to plane or pax. The boss was on
board, but he's a cool guy.
You might want to check for cracked hydraulic lines if you have a 680FLP.
Call me if you want more details.
Ray Mansfield
850-217-5185
N91ES
**************Popular laptop deals plus free shipping!
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Subject: | Commander 680 FLP |
Yoda replaced that line on 400CH with flexible line for the exact same
reason. It wasn't leaking, but the pressure regulator was. When we
took out the regulator so that he could cut new gaskets for it, we
discovered that the flare was cut through about 40% of the way around.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of
BobsV35B@aol.com
Sent: Wed 7/8/2009 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 680 FLP
Good Morning All,
Just a comment on hydraulic lines in general.
It was just a few months after the DC-10 was introduced to service when
one
took off out of MIA and experienced a hydraulic system failure. The
captain declared his emergency and returned to MIA as expeditiously as
possible.
When he landed two of the systems were totally inoperative and the
third
was almost out of fluid. Another couple of minutes and the airplane
would
have been uncontrollable.
It seems that all three of the hydraulic systems were mounted with
slightly
flexible mounts to the aircraft structure, but all of the hydraulic
lines
were solid tubing.
The primary unit failed.
The secondary took over as it should but the additional strain failed
one
of it's supply tubes as well.
The third system was supplying control, but a crack developed in it's
tubing and fluid was being lost. I may have some of the details all
wrong, but
the fix was to replace all of the connecting tubing with flexible lines
in
lieu of the fixed tubing.
It was a fleet wide mandatory immediate action AD.
If the short tubing in the Aero Commander could possibly be replaced
with a
hunk of high quality flexible tubing, it is certainly something I would
consider doing!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 7/8/2009 8:42:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
kamala@MSN.COM writes:
lost a line in west texas. in an emergency a John Deere tractor line
will
get you home. gmc
____________________________________
From: hcourier@cox.net
Subject: Commander-List: Commander 680 FLP
Hello Commander website folks,
The plane I fly is going through it's annual inspection and some
corrosion
has been found on the left engine, left side motor mount. The
maintenance
folks say it's bad enough that the mount must be replaced.
Sooooooo.....we're looking for a motor mount. I don't know the
details,
part nos, etc. If you have knowledge of where such an animal can be
found
or think you might have one, please call Brent Cowart, our maintenance
guy
at 256-845-9129. He's the owner of Valley Aviation in Ft. Payne, AL
and
knows part nos and details about the engine mount.
You can also email me or call with any information if that's easier.
A note to any Aero Commander 680FLP owners, MR RPM conversion. I
recently
lost all hydraulics when a small hyd line in the left engine wheel well
broke. It broke at the flange where the line was secured by the nut to
the
connector. I can't describe the part other than it was normal
aluminium
tubing, not very long, about 4-5" with a compount curve and was in
front of
the accumulator in the aft area of the left wheel well. We lost all
hydraulic fluid, gear, flaps, brakes and steering. Landed at
Birmingham,
AL....there's a long runway there. Coasted into the grass between the
taxiway and
ramp otherwise couldn't stop. No damage to plane or pax. The boss was
on
board, but he's a cool guy.
You might want to check for cracked hydraulic lines if you have a
680FLP.
Call me if you want more details.
Ray Mansfield
850-217-5185
N91ES
**************Popular laptop deals plus free shipping!
plex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D2)
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Subject: | Commander 680 FLP |
Did the part have a yellow tag or a GREEN tag? Ha! Ha!
---- MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala@MSN.COM> wrote:
>
> lost a line in west texas. in an emergency a John Deere tractor line will get
you home. gmc
>
>
> From: hcourier@cox.net
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Commander 680 FLP
> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:39:48 -0500
>
>
>
>
> Hello Commander website folks,
>
> The plane I fly is going through it's annual inspection and some corrosion has
been found on the left engine, left side motor mount. The maintenance folks
say it's bad enough that the mount must be replaced.
>
> Sooooooo.....we're looking for a motor mount. I don't know the details, part
nos, etc. If you have knowledge of where such an animal can be found or think
you might have one, please call Brent Cowart, our maintenance guy at 256-845-9129.
He's the owner of Valley Aviation in Ft. Payne, AL and knows part nos
and details about the engine mount.
>
> You can also email me or call with any information if that's easier.
>
> A note to any Aero Commander 680FLP owners, MR RPM conversion. I recently lost
all hydraulics when a small hyd line in the left engine wheel well broke.
It broke at the flange where the line was secured by the nut to the connector.
I can't describe the part other than it was normal aluminium tubing, not very
long, about 4-5" with a compount curve and was in front of the accumulator in
the aft area of the left wheel well. We lost all hydraulic fluid, gear, flaps,
brakes and steering. Landed at Birmingham, AL....there's a long runway there.
Coasted into the grass between the taxiway and ramp otherwise couldn't stop.
No damage to plane or pax. The boss was on board, but he's a cool guy.
>
> You might want to check for cracked hydraulic lines if you have a 680FLP. Call
me if you want more details.
>
>
>
> Ray Mansfield
> 850-217-5185
> N91ES
>
>
>
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Subject: | Commander 680 FLP |
Hey....nothing runs like a Deere!
/J
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Mansfeld
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 11:04 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 680 FLP
Did the part have a yellow tag or a GREEN tag? Ha! Ha!
---- MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala@MSN.COM> wrote:
>
> lost a line in west texas. in an emergency a John Deere tractor line
> will get you home. gmc
>
>
> From: hcourier@cox.net
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Commander 680 FLP
> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:39:48 -0500
>
>
>
>
> Hello Commander website folks,
>
> The plane I fly is going through it's annual inspection and some corrosion
has been found on the left engine, left side motor mount. The maintenance
folks say it's bad enough that the mount must be replaced.
>
> Sooooooo.....we're looking for a motor mount. I don't know the details,
part nos, etc. If you have knowledge of where such an animal can be found
or think you might have one, please call Brent Cowart, our maintenance guy
at 256-845-9129. He's the owner of Valley Aviation in Ft. Payne, AL and
knows part nos and details about the engine mount.
>
> You can also email me or call with any information if that's easier.
>
> A note to any Aero Commander 680FLP owners, MR RPM conversion. I recently
lost all hydraulics when a small hyd line in the left engine wheel well
broke. It broke at the flange where the line was secured by the nut to the
connector. I can't describe the part other than it was normal aluminium
tubing, not very long, about 4-5" with a compount curve and was in front of
the accumulator in the aft area of the left wheel well. We lost all
hydraulic fluid, gear, flaps, brakes and steering. Landed at Birmingham,
AL....there's a long runway there. Coasted into the grass between the
taxiway and ramp otherwise couldn't stop. No damage to plane or pax. The
boss was on board, but he's a cool guy.
>
> You might want to check for cracked hydraulic lines if you have a 680FLP.
Call me if you want more details.
>
>
>
> Ray Mansfield
> 850-217-5185
> N91ES
>
>
>
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