Commander-List Digest Archive

Wed 07/08/09


Total Messages Posted: 9



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     1. 05:42 AM - Re: Commander 680 FLP (Ray Mansfield)
     2. 06:09 AM - Re: Commander 680 FLP  (Tom Fisher)
     3. 06:40 AM - Re: Commander 680 FLP  (Ray Mansfield)
     4. 06:42 AM - Re: Commander 680 FLP (MASON CHEVAILLIER)
     5. 07:14 AM - Re: Commander 680 FLP (Tylor Hall)
     6. 09:07 AM - Re: Commander 680 FLP (BobsV35B@aol.com)
     7. 10:41 AM - Re: Commander 680 FLP (Brock Lorber)
     8. 11:07 AM - Re: Commander 680 FLP (Ray Mansfeld)
     9. 11:13 AM - Re: Commander 680 FLP (John Vormbaum)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:42:45 AM PST US
    From: "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Commander 680 FLP
    Clear DayHi Robert, Unfortunately I don't have a photo of the offending hyd line. Didn't think to take a px when it was off the plane. The plane is in Ft. Payne, AL now and I'm in Destin, FL so can't get a px at the moment. Besides, it's real hard to see the line where it's located. It's just forward of the accumulator in the left wheel well. One end is attached to what I believe to be the pressure switch for the aux hyd pump, and that's where it broke. Ray M. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert S. Randazzo To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:18 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 680 FLP Ray- Can you send a photo of the offending segment? That would help some of us with similar systems to identify and learn. Robert S. Randazzo N414C From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Mansfield Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:40 PM To: commander-list@matronics.com Subject: Commander-List: Commander 680 FLP Hello Commander website folks, The plane I fly is going through it's annual inspection and some corrosion has been found on the left engine, left side motor mount. The maintenance folks say it's bad enough that the mount must be replaced. Sooooooo.....we're looking for a motor mount. I don't know the details, part nos, etc. If you have knowledge of where such an animal can be found or think you might have one, please call Brent Cowart, our maintenance guy at 256-845-9129. He's the owner of Valley Aviation in Ft. Payne, AL and knows part nos and details about the engine mount. You can also email me or call with any information if that's easier. A note to any Aero Commander 680FLP owners, MR RPM conversion. I recently lost all hydraulics when a small hyd line in the left engine wheel well broke. It broke at the flange where the line was secured by the nut to the connector. I can't describe the part other than it was normal aluminium tubing, not very long, about 4-5" with a compount curve and was in front of the accumulator in the aft area of the left wheel well. We lost all hydraulic fluid, gear, flaps, brakes and steering. Landed at Birmingham, AL....there's a long runway there. Coasted into the grass between the taxiway and ramp otherwise couldn't stop. No damage to plane or pax. The boss was on board, but he's a cool guy. You might want to check for cracked hydraulic lines if you have a 680FLP. Call me if you want more details. Ray Mansfield 850-217-5185 N91ES


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    Time: 06:09:10 AM PST US
    From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
    Subject: Re: Commander 680 FLP
    Clear DayThank you your notice I will check the line today. I too have a deteriorating engine mount and need another, when you find a source please share that with us. Tom C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Mansfield To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:39 PM Subject: Commander-List: Commander 680 FLP Hello Commander website folks, The plane I fly is going through it's annual inspection and some corrosion has been found on the left engine, left side motor mount. The maintenance folks say it's bad enough that the mount must be replaced. Sooooooo.....we're looking for a motor mount. I don't know the details, part nos, etc. If you have knowledge of where such an animal can be found or think you might have one, please call Brent Cowart, our maintenance guy at 256-845-9129. He's the owner of Valley Aviation in Ft. Payne, AL and knows part nos and details about the engine mount. You can also email me or call with any information if that's easier. A note to any Aero Commander 680FLP owners, MR RPM conversion. I recently lost all hydraulics when a small hyd line in the left engine wheel well broke. It broke at the flange where the line was secured by the nut to the connector. I can't describe the part other than it was normal aluminium tubing, not very long, about 4-5" with a compount curve and was in front of the accumulator in the aft area of the left wheel well. We lost all hydraulic fluid, gear, flaps, brakes and steering. Landed at Birmingham, AL....there's a long runway there. Coasted into the grass between the taxiway and ramp otherwise couldn't stop. No damage to plane or pax. The boss was on board, but he's a cool guy. You might want to check for cracked hydraulic lines if you have a 680FLP. Call me if you want more details. Ray Mansfield 850-217-5185 N91ES


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    Time: 06:40:11 AM PST US
    From: "Ray Mansfield" <hcourier@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Commander 680 FLP
    Clear DayThanks Tom. Will let you know if I find a source. RM ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Fisher To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 8:01 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 680 FLP Thank you your notice I will check the line today. I too have a deteriorating engine mount and need another, when you find a source please share that with us. Tom C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Mansfield To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:39 PM Subject: Commander-List: Commander 680 FLP Hello Commander website folks, The plane I fly is going through it's annual inspection and some corrosion has been found on the left engine, left side motor mount. The maintenance folks say it's bad enough that the mount must be replaced. Sooooooo.....we're looking for a motor mount. I don't know the details, part nos, etc. If you have knowledge of where such an animal can be found or think you might have one, please call Brent Cowart, our maintenance guy at 256-845-9129. He's the owner of Valley Aviation in Ft. Payne, AL and knows part nos and details about the engine mount. You can also email me or call with any information if that's easier. A note to any Aero Commander 680FLP owners, MR RPM conversion. I recently lost all hydraulics when a small hyd line in the left engine wheel well broke. It broke at the flange where the line was secured by the nut to the connector. I can't describe the part other than it was normal aluminium tubing, not very long, about 4-5" with a compount curve and was in front of the accumulator in the aft area of the left wheel well. We lost all hydraulic fluid, gear, flaps, brakes and steering. Landed at Birmingham, AL....there's a long runway there. Coasted into the grass between the taxiway and ramp otherwise couldn't stop. No damage to plane or pax. The boss was on board, but he's a cool guy. You might want to check for cracked hydraulic lines if you have a 680FLP. Call me if you want more details. Ray Mansfield 850-217-5185 N91ES


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    Time: 06:42:10 AM PST US
    From: MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala@MSN.COM>
    Subject: Commander 680 FLP
    lost a line in west texas. in an emergency a John Deere tractor line will get you home. gmc From: hcourier@cox.net Subject: Commander-List: Commander 680 FLP Hello Commander website folks=2C The plane I fly is going through it's annual inspection and some corrosion has been found on the left engine=2C left side motor mount. The maintenanc e folks say it's bad enough that the mount must be replaced. Sooooooo.....we're looking for a motor mount. I don't know the details=2C part nos=2C etc. If you have knowledge of where such an animal can be foun d or think you might have one=2C please call Brent Cowart=2C our maintenanc e guy at 256-845-9129. He's the owner of Valley Aviation in Ft. Payne=2C A L and knows part nos and details about the engine mount. You can also email me or call with any information if that's easier. A note to any Aero Commander 680FLP owners=2C MR RPM conversion. I recentl y lost all hydraulics when a small hyd line in the left engine wheel well b roke. It broke at the flange where the line was secured by the nut to the connector. I can't describe the part other than it was normal aluminium tu bing=2C not very long=2C about 4-5" with a compount curve and was in front of the accumulator in the aft area of the left wheel well. We lost all hyd raulic fluid=2C gear=2C flaps=2C brakes and steering. Landed at Birmingham =2C AL....there's a long runway there. Coasted into the grass between the taxiway and ramp otherwise couldn't stop. No damage to plane or pax. The boss was on board=2C but he's a cool guy. You might want to check for cracked hydraulic lines if you have a 680FLP. Call me if you want more details. 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    From: Tylor Hall <tylor.hall@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Commander 680 FLP
    What happened to MRRPMPerformance.com??? Their web site is down. The name seems to be available. Didn't they hold the Mr RPM STC's? Tylor Hall On Jul 8, 2009, at 7:15 AM, MASON CHEVAILLIER wrote: > lost a line in west texas. in an emergency a John Deere tractor > line will get you home. gmc > > From: hcourier@cox.net > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Commander 680 FLP > Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:39:48 -0500 > > Hello Commander website folks, > > The plane I fly is going through it's annual inspection and some > corrosion has been found on the left engine, left side motor mount. > The maintenance folks say it's bad enough that the mount must be > replaced. > > Sooooooo.....we're looking for a motor mount. I don't know the > details, part nos, etc. If you have knowledge of where such an > animal can be found or think you might have one, please call Brent > Cowart, our maintenance guy at 256-845-9129. He's the owner of > Valley Aviation in Ft. Payne, AL and knows part nos and details > about the engine mount. > > You can also email me or call with any information if that's easier. > > A note to any Aero Commander 680FLP owners, MR RPM conversion. I > recently lost all hydraulics when a small hyd line in the left > engine wheel well broke. It broke at the flange where the line was > secured by the nut to the connector. I can't describe the part > other than it was normal aluminium tubing, not very long, about 4-5" > with a compount curve and was in front of the accumulator in the aft > area of the left wheel well. We lost all hydraulic fluid, gear, > flaps, brakes and steering. Landed at Birmingham, AL....there's a > long runway there. Coasted into the grass between the taxiway and > ramp otherwise couldn't stop. No damage to plane or pax. The boss > was on board, but he's a cool guy. > > You might want to check for cracked hydraulic lines if you have a > 680FLP. Call me if you want more details. > > > Ray Mansfield > 850-217-5185 > N91ES > >


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    Time: 09:07:28 AM PST US
    From: BobsV35B@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Commander 680 FLP
    Good Morning All, Just a comment on hydraulic lines in general. It was just a few months after the DC-10 was introduced to service when one took off out of MIA and experienced a hydraulic system failure. The captain declared his emergency and returned to MIA as expeditiously as possible. When he landed two of the systems were totally inoperative and the third was almost out of fluid. Another couple of minutes and the airplane would have been uncontrollable. It seems that all three of the hydraulic systems were mounted with slightly flexible mounts to the aircraft structure, but all of the hydraulic lines were solid tubing. The primary unit failed. The secondary took over as it should but the additional strain failed one of it's supply tubes as well. The third system was supplying control, but a crack developed in it's tubing and fluid was being lost. I may have some of the details all wrong, but the fix was to replace all of the connecting tubing with flexible lines in lieu of the fixed tubing. It was a fleet wide mandatory immediate action AD. If the short tubing in the Aero Commander could possibly be replaced with a hunk of high quality flexible tubing, it is certainly something I would consider doing! Happy Skies, Old Bob In a message dated 7/8/2009 8:42:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, kamala@MSN.COM writes: lost a line in west texas. in an emergency a John Deere tractor line will get you home. gmc ____________________________________ From: hcourier@cox.net Subject: Commander-List: Commander 680 FLP Hello Commander website folks, The plane I fly is going through it's annual inspection and some corrosion has been found on the left engine, left side motor mount. The maintenance folks say it's bad enough that the mount must be replaced. Sooooooo.....we're looking for a motor mount. I don't know the details, part nos, etc. If you have knowledge of where such an animal can be found or think you might have one, please call Brent Cowart, our maintenance guy at 256-845-9129. He's the owner of Valley Aviation in Ft. Payne, AL and knows part nos and details about the engine mount. You can also email me or call with any information if that's easier. A note to any Aero Commander 680FLP owners, MR RPM conversion. I recently lost all hydraulics when a small hyd line in the left engine wheel well broke. It broke at the flange where the line was secured by the nut to the connector. I can't describe the part other than it was normal aluminium tubing, not very long, about 4-5" with a compount curve and was in front of the accumulator in the aft area of the left wheel well. We lost all hydraulic fluid, gear, flaps, brakes and steering. Landed at Birmingham, AL....there's a long runway there. Coasted into the grass between the taxiway and ramp otherwise couldn't stop. No damage to plane or pax. The boss was on board, but he's a cool guy. You might want to check for cracked hydraulic lines if you have a 680FLP. Call me if you want more details. Ray Mansfield 850-217-5185 N91ES **************Popular laptop deals plus free shipping! plex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D2)


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    Time: 10:41:54 AM PST US
    Subject: Commander 680 FLP
    From: "Brock Lorber" <blorber@southwestcirrus.com>
    Yoda replaced that line on 400CH with flexible line for the exact same reason. It wasn't leaking, but the pressure regulator was. When we took out the regulator so that he could cut new gaskets for it, we discovered that the flare was cut through about 40% of the way around. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of BobsV35B@aol.com Sent: Wed 7/8/2009 9:09 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander 680 FLP Good Morning All, Just a comment on hydraulic lines in general. It was just a few months after the DC-10 was introduced to service when one took off out of MIA and experienced a hydraulic system failure. The captain declared his emergency and returned to MIA as expeditiously as possible. When he landed two of the systems were totally inoperative and the third was almost out of fluid. Another couple of minutes and the airplane would have been uncontrollable. It seems that all three of the hydraulic systems were mounted with slightly flexible mounts to the aircraft structure, but all of the hydraulic lines were solid tubing. The primary unit failed. The secondary took over as it should but the additional strain failed one of it's supply tubes as well. The third system was supplying control, but a crack developed in it's tubing and fluid was being lost. I may have some of the details all wrong, but the fix was to replace all of the connecting tubing with flexible lines in lieu of the fixed tubing. It was a fleet wide mandatory immediate action AD. If the short tubing in the Aero Commander could possibly be replaced with a hunk of high quality flexible tubing, it is certainly something I would consider doing! Happy Skies, Old Bob In a message dated 7/8/2009 8:42:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, kamala@MSN.COM writes: lost a line in west texas. in an emergency a John Deere tractor line will get you home. gmc ____________________________________ From: hcourier@cox.net Subject: Commander-List: Commander 680 FLP Hello Commander website folks, The plane I fly is going through it's annual inspection and some corrosion has been found on the left engine, left side motor mount. The maintenance folks say it's bad enough that the mount must be replaced. Sooooooo.....we're looking for a motor mount. I don't know the details, part nos, etc. If you have knowledge of where such an animal can be found or think you might have one, please call Brent Cowart, our maintenance guy at 256-845-9129. He's the owner of Valley Aviation in Ft. Payne, AL and knows part nos and details about the engine mount. You can also email me or call with any information if that's easier. A note to any Aero Commander 680FLP owners, MR RPM conversion. I recently lost all hydraulics when a small hyd line in the left engine wheel well broke. It broke at the flange where the line was secured by the nut to the connector. I can't describe the part other than it was normal aluminium tubing, not very long, about 4-5" with a compount curve and was in front of the accumulator in the aft area of the left wheel well. We lost all hydraulic fluid, gear, flaps, brakes and steering. Landed at Birmingham, AL....there's a long runway there. Coasted into the grass between the taxiway and ramp otherwise couldn't stop. No damage to plane or pax. The boss was on board, but he's a cool guy. You might want to check for cracked hydraulic lines if you have a 680FLP. Call me if you want more details. Ray Mansfield 850-217-5185 N91ES **************Popular laptop deals plus free shipping! plex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D2)


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    Time: 11:07:20 AM PST US
    From: Ray Mansfeld <hcourier@cox.net>
    Subject: Commander 680 FLP
    Did the part have a yellow tag or a GREEN tag? Ha! Ha! ---- MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala@MSN.COM> wrote: > > lost a line in west texas. in an emergency a John Deere tractor line will get you home. gmc > > > From: hcourier@cox.net > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Commander 680 FLP > Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:39:48 -0500 > > > > > Hello Commander website folks, > > The plane I fly is going through it's annual inspection and some corrosion has been found on the left engine, left side motor mount. The maintenance folks say it's bad enough that the mount must be replaced. > > Sooooooo.....we're looking for a motor mount. I don't know the details, part nos, etc. If you have knowledge of where such an animal can be found or think you might have one, please call Brent Cowart, our maintenance guy at 256-845-9129. He's the owner of Valley Aviation in Ft. Payne, AL and knows part nos and details about the engine mount. > > You can also email me or call with any information if that's easier. > > A note to any Aero Commander 680FLP owners, MR RPM conversion. I recently lost all hydraulics when a small hyd line in the left engine wheel well broke. It broke at the flange where the line was secured by the nut to the connector. I can't describe the part other than it was normal aluminium tubing, not very long, about 4-5" with a compount curve and was in front of the accumulator in the aft area of the left wheel well. We lost all hydraulic fluid, gear, flaps, brakes and steering. Landed at Birmingham, AL....there's a long runway there. Coasted into the grass between the taxiway and ramp otherwise couldn't stop. No damage to plane or pax. The boss was on board, but he's a cool guy. > > You might want to check for cracked hydraulic lines if you have a 680FLP. Call me if you want more details. > > > > Ray Mansfield > 850-217-5185 > N91ES > > >


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    Time: 11:13:17 AM PST US
    From: "John Vormbaum" <john@vormbaum.com>
    Subject: Commander 680 FLP
    Hey....nothing runs like a Deere! /J do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Mansfeld Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 11:04 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander 680 FLP Did the part have a yellow tag or a GREEN tag? Ha! Ha! ---- MASON CHEVAILLIER <kamala@MSN.COM> wrote: > > lost a line in west texas. in an emergency a John Deere tractor line > will get you home. gmc > > > From: hcourier@cox.net > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: Commander 680 FLP > Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:39:48 -0500 > > > > > Hello Commander website folks, > > The plane I fly is going through it's annual inspection and some corrosion has been found on the left engine, left side motor mount. The maintenance folks say it's bad enough that the mount must be replaced. > > Sooooooo.....we're looking for a motor mount. I don't know the details, part nos, etc. If you have knowledge of where such an animal can be found or think you might have one, please call Brent Cowart, our maintenance guy at 256-845-9129. He's the owner of Valley Aviation in Ft. Payne, AL and knows part nos and details about the engine mount. > > You can also email me or call with any information if that's easier. > > A note to any Aero Commander 680FLP owners, MR RPM conversion. I recently lost all hydraulics when a small hyd line in the left engine wheel well broke. It broke at the flange where the line was secured by the nut to the connector. I can't describe the part other than it was normal aluminium tubing, not very long, about 4-5" with a compount curve and was in front of the accumulator in the aft area of the left wheel well. We lost all hydraulic fluid, gear, flaps, brakes and steering. Landed at Birmingham, AL....there's a long runway there. Coasted into the grass between the taxiway and ramp otherwise couldn't stop. No damage to plane or pax. The boss was on board, but he's a cool guy. > > You might want to check for cracked hydraulic lines if you have a 680FLP. Call me if you want more details. > > > > Ray Mansfield > 850-217-5185 > N91ES > > >




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