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1. 04:38 AM - Re: Mid-Air collusion Today (steven)
2. 01:35 PM - Shuttling the Shuttle (nico css)
3. 01:54 PM - Re: Shuttling the Shuttle (BobsV35B@aol.com)
4. 03:37 PM - TCFG Fly-In (yourtcfg@aol.com)
5. 03:54 PM - Re: Shuttling the Shuttle (Robert S. Randazzo)
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Subject: | Re: Mid-Air collusion Today |
Nico! The blog is a great idea! I must have missed you posting about it.
I've got to thin all the junk email I receive. I'm looking forward to
reading what you've said. I can argue there, instead of here, but from
the little bit I did read there wasn't 'nuthin to argue about yet!
People die and are crippled right and left in our neighborhoods, but
some poor shmuck goes splat in a Cherokee somewhere and its national
news for days. Been like that for as long as I can remember.
That corridor requires a very high level of attention. You self-announce
position reports, but if you're not familiar with the area you don't
know where the copter pilots are talking about. I always get a kick out
of the copters calling out at the tunnel!
Our traffic scope looks like a game of asteroids through there.
steve
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From: nico css
To: commander-list@matronics.com ; rocket-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 7:31 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Mid-Air collusion Today
I comment on my blog on this today. TruthByRushDelivery
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Subject: | Shuttling the Shuttle |
Today's post on my blog. TruthByRushDelivery
<http://truth.byrushdelivery.com/2009/08/shuttling-shuttle.html>
Shuttling the Shuttle. From a NASA 747 pilot.
Forwarded by Tyler Hall.
Thanks, Tyler.
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Subject: | Re: Shuttling the Shuttle |
Good Morning All,
I have read this one before. I do not believe it is a true statement of
fact. I cannot believe that any responsible party would plan a flight with as
little margin as is stated by the author. Either he enjoys pulling people's
legs or he is lying through his teeth!
The 747 shuttle carrier is a draggy machine, but it still obeys the laws of
physics. Anything that was as critical as he has stated would be
considered a careless and/or reckless operation.
Even in the fog of war, aviators do not cut things that close and I am
certain the space program would have much better safety margins than were used
during that big war.
Sounds exciting, but it smells bad to me!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 8/10/2009 3:35:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
nico@cybersuperstore.com writes:
Shuttling the Shuttle. From a NASA 747 pilot.
Forwarded by Tyler Hall.
Thanks, Tyler.
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Hi Folks,
We're getting REALLY excited about this year's fly-in ad hopefully you are too.?
Wanted to bring up a few items in preparation for the Fly-In.?
1.? The August 17th deadline for booking your hotel room is fast approaching so
if you're planning on attending please make sure you get your room reserved.?
Also, they only have a small number of rental cars availble so you should also
make your reservation with Enterprise.?
2.? In addition, we have heard several people mention they are attending, but we
have not received registration forms from everyone.? This is also important
as it helps us plan the numbers to give to the caterers to insure we have the
right amount of food.?
3.? If you have any recommended changes to the Membership/Vendor directory please
get those to us immediately so we can make revisions for this year's printing.?
Can't wait to hear everyone's Commander tails.? I have several to tell myself having
just finished delivering 5 AeroCommanders (most of them had not flown for
several years) to an A&P school in Alabama.? Definitely some drama involved
including hitting a deer on a landing in Arkansas and?damaging the nose gear (YeeHaw!!!!!!).?
Way glad I was in a Commander rather than some small airplane
or I might not be here to tell the story and the airplane definitely would have
ended up in a scrap heap somewhere rather than being fixed and flown on to the
final destination.??? Good to know that airpanes that may have been parted
out will now live on to teach young students for many years how to maintain airplanes,
especially about hydraulics which is why they wanted Commanders.?
~jb
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Subject: | Shuttling the Shuttle |
Ol' Bob-
Boy am I glad to see this didn't pass your sniff test either. Puts me in
good company.
It struck me as if this fellow was a "guest pilot" on the shuttle carrier-
which would be impossibly foolish from a risk mitigation standpoint. His
wonderment at the small margins and the heft of things just doesn't "ring
true" to my ears.
The empty weight of Shuttle Endeavor is 151,207lbs. so I'm figuring that
the shuttle carrier winds up with a zero fuel weight of around 500,000lbs.
I know they make fuel stops to conserve on weight- but if you figure they
loaded enough fuel in the airplane just to run it Tank-To-Engine you'd only
be pushing about 600,000lbs- well below the certificated max takeoff weight.
Granted- you have quite a bit of extra drag to overcome- but the orbiter is
not deadweight because it has a lifting wing- so you'd just have phenomenal
fuel burn but not much of a weight problem.
Perhaps we're both all wet- but my sniff on this smelled like something was
rotten.
Makes for an entertaining read, however!
Robert Randazzo
N414C
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BobsV35B@aol.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shuttling the Shuttle
Good Morning All,
I have read this one before. I do not believe it is a true statement of
fact. I cannot believe that any responsible party would plan a flight with
as little margin as is stated by the author. Either he enjoys pulling
people's legs or he is lying through his teeth!
The 747 shuttle carrier is a draggy machine, but it still obeys the laws of
physics. Anything that was as critical as he has stated would be considered
a careless and/or reckless operation.
Even in the fog of war, aviators do not cut things that close and I am
certain the space program would have much better safety margins than were
used during that big war.
Sounds exciting, but it smells bad to me!
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 8/10/2009 3:35:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
nico@cybersuperstore.com writes:
Shuttling the Shuttle. From a NASA 747 pilot.
Forwarded by Tyler Hall.
Thanks, Tyler.
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