---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/10/09: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:38 AM - Re: Mid-Air collusion Today (steven) 2. 01:35 PM - Shuttling the Shuttle (nico css) 3. 01:54 PM - Re: Shuttling the Shuttle (BobsV35B@aol.com) 4. 03:37 PM - TCFG Fly-In (yourtcfg@aol.com) 5. 03:54 PM - Re: Shuttling the Shuttle (Robert S. Randazzo) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:32 AM PST US From: "steven" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Mid-Air collusion Today Nico! The blog is a great idea! I must have missed you posting about it. I've got to thin all the junk email I receive. I'm looking forward to reading what you've said. I can argue there, instead of here, but from the little bit I did read there wasn't 'nuthin to argue about yet! People die and are crippled right and left in our neighborhoods, but some poor shmuck goes splat in a Cherokee somewhere and its national news for days. Been like that for as long as I can remember. That corridor requires a very high level of attention. You self-announce position reports, but if you're not familiar with the area you don't know where the copter pilots are talking about. I always get a kick out of the copters calling out at the tunnel! Our traffic scope looks like a game of asteroids through there. steve ----- Original Message ----- From: nico css To: commander-list@matronics.com ; rocket-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 7:31 PM Subject: Commander-List: Mid-Air collusion Today I comment on my blog on this today. TruthByRushDelivery ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:35:21 PM PST US From: "nico css" Subject: Commander-List: Shuttling the Shuttle Today's post on my blog. TruthByRushDelivery Shuttling the Shuttle. From a NASA 747 pilot. Forwarded by Tyler Hall. Thanks, Tyler. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:54:54 PM PST US From: BobsV35B@aol.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shuttling the Shuttle Good Morning All, I have read this one before. I do not believe it is a true statement of fact. I cannot believe that any responsible party would plan a flight with as little margin as is stated by the author. Either he enjoys pulling people's legs or he is lying through his teeth! The 747 shuttle carrier is a draggy machine, but it still obeys the laws of physics. Anything that was as critical as he has stated would be considered a careless and/or reckless operation. Even in the fog of war, aviators do not cut things that close and I am certain the space program would have much better safety margins than were used during that big war. Sounds exciting, but it smells bad to me! Happy Skies, Old Bob In a message dated 8/10/2009 3:35:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, nico@cybersuperstore.com writes: Shuttling the Shuttle. From a NASA 747 pilot. Forwarded by Tyler Hall. Thanks, Tyler. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:37:25 PM PST US Subject: Commander-List: TCFG Fly-In From: yourtcfg@aol.com Hi Folks, We're getting REALLY excited about this year's fly-in ad hopefully you are too.? Wanted to bring up a few items in preparation for the Fly-In.? 1.? The August 17th deadline for booking your hotel room is fast approaching so if you're planning on attending please make sure you get your room reserved.? Also, they only have a small number of rental cars availble so you should also make your reservation with Enterprise.? 2.? In addition, we have heard several people mention they are attending, but we have not received registration forms from everyone.? This is also important as it helps us plan the numbers to give to the caterers to insure we have the right amount of food.? 3.? If you have any recommended changes to the Membership/Vendor directory please get those to us immediately so we can make revisions for this year's printing.? Can't wait to hear everyone's Commander tails.? I have several to tell myself having just finished delivering 5 AeroCommanders (most of them had not flown for several years) to an A&P school in Alabama.? Definitely some drama involved including hitting a deer on a landing in Arkansas and?damaging the nose gear (YeeHaw!!!!!!).? Way glad I was in a Commander rather than some small airplane or I might not be here to tell the story and the airplane definitely would have ended up in a scrap heap somewhere rather than being fixed and flown on to the final destination.??? Good to know that airpanes that may have been parted out will now live on to teach young students for many years how to maintain airplanes, especially about hydraulics which is why they wanted Commanders.? ~jb ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:37 PM PST US From: "Robert S. Randazzo" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Shuttling the Shuttle Ol' Bob- Boy am I glad to see this didn't pass your sniff test either. Puts me in good company. It struck me as if this fellow was a "guest pilot" on the shuttle carrier- which would be impossibly foolish from a risk mitigation standpoint. His wonderment at the small margins and the heft of things just doesn't "ring true" to my ears. The empty weight of Shuttle Endeavor is 151,207lbs. so I'm figuring that the shuttle carrier winds up with a zero fuel weight of around 500,000lbs. I know they make fuel stops to conserve on weight- but if you figure they loaded enough fuel in the airplane just to run it Tank-To-Engine you'd only be pushing about 600,000lbs- well below the certificated max takeoff weight. Granted- you have quite a bit of extra drag to overcome- but the orbiter is not deadweight because it has a lifting wing- so you'd just have phenomenal fuel burn but not much of a weight problem. Perhaps we're both all wet- but my sniff on this smelled like something was rotten. Makes for an entertaining read, however! Robert Randazzo N414C From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BobsV35B@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 1:53 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shuttling the Shuttle Good Morning All, I have read this one before. I do not believe it is a true statement of fact. I cannot believe that any responsible party would plan a flight with as little margin as is stated by the author. Either he enjoys pulling people's legs or he is lying through his teeth! The 747 shuttle carrier is a draggy machine, but it still obeys the laws of physics. Anything that was as critical as he has stated would be considered a careless and/or reckless operation. Even in the fog of war, aviators do not cut things that close and I am certain the space program would have much better safety margins than were used during that big war. Sounds exciting, but it smells bad to me! Happy Skies, Old Bob In a message dated 8/10/2009 3:35:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, nico@cybersuperstore.com writes: Shuttling the Shuttle. From a NASA 747 pilot. Forwarded by Tyler Hall. 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