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1. 02:15 AM - Fly-In (Barry Collman)
2. 06:18 AM - Re: Fly-In (WINGFLYER1@aol.com)
3. 06:39 AM - Re: Fly-In (Barry Collman)
4. 06:43 PM - Re: Fly-In (WINGFLYER1@aol.com)
5. 07:11 PM - Fw: LFST (yourtcfg@aol.com)
6. 08:47 PM - Re: Fw: LFST (Brock Lorber)
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Hi Guys,
John Towner cannot post messages to the group, so has asked me to post
the following on his behalf.
Certainly looking forward to meeting Bob, but all my 'old' friends too!
Best Regards,
Barry
Sir Barry & the TCFG entourage,
I thought you would like to know Bob Hoover called me this morning and
said he received my note about our TCFG get together at Carson City and
he would love to come to our Thursday night dinner SEP 17 and meet all
of the crazy Commander people he has heard about. You might run your
historian search on N500RA from birth to the Smithsonian. I know he
would get a chuckle. Hoov ask if he can bring his friend if he pays for
him and I said you can bring your friend but you cannot pay for him.
PS - I called JimBob this afternoon and told him the good news. He was
enroute to Carson City to do a little leg work and get it all ready for
the TCFG get together. You know my computer will not let me on the chat
page but you are welcome to share my e-mail with all of the TCFG
Commander folks. Oh, Andrew is coming to Carson City/Reno this year
too.
YOUR FRIEND,
John Towner :-)
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Anyone have info on hotels for the fly in. Thanks Gil
In a message dated 8/27/2009 3:15:59 A.M. Central America Standard T,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
Hi Guys,
John Towner cannot post messages to the group, so has asked me to post the
following on his behalf.
Certainly looking forward to meeting Bob, but all my 'old' friends too!
Best Regards,
Barry
Sir Barry & the TCFG entourage,
I thought you would like to know Bob Hoover called me this morning and
said he received my note about our TCFG get together at Carson City and he
would love to come to our Thursday night dinner SEP 17 and meet all of the
crazy Commander people he has heard about. You might run your historian
search on N500RA from birth to the Smithsonian. I know he would get a chuckle.
Hoov ask if he can bring his friend if he pays for him and I said you can
bring your friend but you cannot pay for him.
PS - I called JimBob this afternoon and told him the good news. He was
enroute to Carson City to do a little leg work and get it all ready for the
TCFG get together. You know my computer will not let me on the chat page
but you are welcome to share my e-mail with all of the TCFG Commander folks.
Oh, Andrew is coming to Carson City/Reno this year too.
YOUR FRIEND,
John Towner :-)
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Hi Gil,
Capt JimBob had reserved a block of rooms at the Hampton Inn, in Carson
City (775) 885-8800, but a room had to be booked before August 17th,
after which date they will have been released for general bookings.
If you try to get the Twin Commander Flight Group (TCFG) rate, quote
them reference # TWI.
Best Regards,
Barry
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From: WINGFLYER1@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly-In
Anyone have info on hotels for the fly in. Thanks Gil
In a message dated 8/27/2009 3:15:59 A.M. Central America Standard T,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
Hi Guys,
John Towner cannot post messages to the group, so has asked me to
post the following on his behalf.
Certainly looking forward to meeting Bob, but all my 'old' friends
too!
Best Regards,
Barry
Sir Barry & the TCFG entourage,
I thought you would like to know Bob Hoover called me this morning
and said he received my note about our TCFG get together at Carson City
and he would love to come to our Thursday night dinner SEP 17 and meet
all of the crazy Commander people he has heard about. You might run
your historian search on N500RA from birth to the Smithsonian. I know
he would get a chuckle. Hoov ask if he can bring his friend if he pays
for him and I said you can bring your friend but you cannot pay for him.
PS - I called JimBob this afternoon and told him the good news. He
was enroute to Carson City to do a little leg work and get it all ready
for the TCFG get together. You know my computer will not let me on the
chat page but you are welcome to share my e-mail with all of the TCFG
Commander folks. Oh, Andrew is coming to Carson City/Reno this year
too.
YOUR FRIEND,
John Towner :-)
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Thanks Barry, I`ll give it a try. Gil
In a message dated 8/27/2009 7:40:28 A.M. Central America Standard T,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
Hi Gil,
Capt JimBob had reserved a block of rooms at the Hampton Inn, in Carson
City (775) 885-8800, but a room had to be booked before August 17th, after
which date they will have been released for general bookings.
If you try to get the Twin Commander Flight Group (TCFG) rate, quote them
reference # TWI.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: _WINGFLYER1@aol.com_ (mailto:WINGFLYER1@aol.com)
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fly-In
Anyone have info on hotels for the fly in. Thanks Gil
In a message dated 8/27/2009 3:15:59 A.M. Central America Standard T,
_barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk_ (mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk)
writes:
Hi Guys,
John Towner cannot post messages to the group, so has asked me to post the
following on his behalf.
Certainly looking forward to meeting Bob, but all my 'old' friends too!
Best Regards,
Barry
Sir Barry & the TCFG entourage,
I thought you would like to know Bob Hoover called me this morning and
said he received my note about our TCFG get together at Carson City and he
would love to come to our Thursday night dinner SEP 17 and meet all of the
crazy Commander people he has heard about. You might run your historian
search on N500RA from birth to the Smithsonian. I know he would get a chuckle.
Hoov ask if he can bring his friend if he pays for him and I said you can
bring your friend but you cannot pay for him.
PS - I called JimBob this afternoon and told him the good news. He was
enroute to Carson City to do a little leg work and get it all ready for the
TCFG get together. You know my computer will not let me on the chat page
but you are welcome to share my e-mail with all of the TCFG Commander folks.
Oh, Andrew is coming to Carson City/Reno this year too.
YOUR FRIEND,
John Towner :-)
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READ THIS FOLKS, AND RESPOND!!!!! jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Morris Kernick <comserv500s@gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:36 pm
Subject: Fwd: LFST
Jim: Have you read about this? I received from Ken Hyde a series of articles regarding
the government's intent to dismantle this historic & valuable Langley
Full Scale Wind Tunnel at great cost to the taxpayers. Maybe we should publish
this on the Commander chat list to help get some support to oppose tearing down
such a valuable asset? not only to aviation, but many other industries. Let
me know what you think.? Morris
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: <KenWHyde@aol.com>
Subject: LFST
?
The time has come for action!
?
The Langley Full Scale Wind Tunnel (LFST) is slated for destruction by NASA in
33 days, yet this national asset has valuable contributions to make to energy
conservation at a time when this has become a pressing national priority.
?
It does not have to be this way.? The wind tunnel belongs to the United States
and its citizens.? We, the taxpayers, can have a say about the future of the tunnel.?
?
Write or email your Congressmen and Senators today.?Write your thoughts to the
WSJ Editor via web link.?Tell them that tearing down the tunnel now, while it
is still operational, makes no sense and is a waste of taxpayer dollars.?
?
Tell them American science and technology still needs the research the tunnel provides
today and in the future.?
?
Tell them that the educational training and hands on experience for the Old Dominion
University and other aerospace engineering students that help keep the tunnel
running is a resource we do not want to lose.? Students are attracted to
the university precisely because of its access to this unique research facility.
?
Tell them extensive and ongoing research conducted in this tunnel has pinpointed
practical, affordable energy savings efforts totaling more than 1.5 billion
gallons of
petroleum fuels per year. And that's just the beginning.
?
There is no pressing reason to destroy this incomparable research tool at this
time.. There is every reason to keep it operating.
?
Your actions can make a difference.? Forward this email to everyone you know.?
Forward this link (page 1 Wall Street Journal article, video, and slideshow written
by Barry Newman about the LFST on August 26, 2009).
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125124533797458837.html
?
Help save the Langley Full Scale Wind Tunnel! Please forward to all...we all lose
if we cannot stop this!
?
Ken W. Hyde, President
The Wright Experience,
Warrenton, VA
540/347-1909
?
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I'm wondering how unvalued, unowned property that "produces" unowned,
unvalued results with no competition or incentives to do it better can
be described as "valuable".
Are there other wind tunnels? Do they produce more or less value per
data point? What is the bright line where $/data point goes from
"valuable" to "waste of money?"
Are the data points salable? Do they produce a profit or loss? Is
there too much profit per data point? Too much loss?
1.5 billion gallons of petroleum per year seems significant. Is there
some reason the beneficiaries of that savings aren't willing to fund
their own savings? Is there some reason 1.5 billion gallons wouldn't be
expressed in the normal 3.6 million barrels? That still seems
significant.
What is special about Old Dominion students vs. any other university or
lab? Do the other students have to pay Old Dominion for access? Do
discoveries belong to Old Dominion, their students, Langley, other
students, their universities, or sponsoring organizations? Do they
profit? Are they unwilling to pay?
Will Old Dominion fail without this tunnel? Have they pursued other
means of attracting students? How many students will go uneducated
because they don't attend Old Dominion? Are there other alternatives?
Who determines "pinpointed, practical, and affordable"? Is there a
committee? Who is on the committee, and what are their qualifications,
biases, and fiduciary responsibilities?
How does one know that "American science and technology still needs the
research the tunnel provides today and in the future"? If the outcome
is known, doesn't it pretty much negate the point of research? Isn't it
just as possible that American science and technology would be better
off without the tunnel? If we can declare the relativity, can't we also
just declare the result?
Does historic = valuable?
Many questions,
Brock
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of
yourtcfg@aol.com
Sent: Thu 8/27/2009 7:09 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Fwd: LFST
READ THIS FOLKS, AND RESPOND!!!!! jb
-----Original Message-----
From: Morris Kernick <comserv500s@gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 10:36 pm
Subject: Fwd: LFST
Jim: Have you read about this? I received from Ken Hyde a series of
articles regarding the government's intent to dismantle this historic &
valuable Langley Full Scale Wind Tunnel at great cost to the taxpayers.
Maybe we should publish this on the Commander chat list to help get some
support to oppose tearing down such a valuable asset? not only to
aviation, but many other industries. Let me know what you think.? Morris
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: <KenWHyde@aol.com>
Subject: LFST
?
The time has come for action!
?
The Langley Full Scale Wind Tunnel (LFST) is slated for destruction by
NASA in 33 days, yet this national asset has valuable contributions to
make to energy conservation at a time when this has become a pressing
national priority.
?
It does not have to be this way.? The wind tunnel belongs to the United
States and its citizens.? We, the taxpayers, can have a say about the
future of the tunnel.?
?
Write or email your Congressmen and Senators today.?Write your thoughts
to the WSJ Editor via web link.?Tell them that tearing down the tunnel
now, while it is still operational, makes no sense and is a waste of
taxpayer dollars.?
?
Tell them American science and technology still needs the research the
tunnel provides today and in the future.?
?
Tell them that the educational training and hands on experience for the
Old Dominion University and other aerospace engineering students that
help keep the tunnel running is a resource we do not want to lose.?
Students are attracted to the university precisely because of its access
to this unique research facility.
?
Tell them extensive and ongoing research conducted in this tunnel has
pinpointed practical, affordable energy savings efforts totaling more
than 1.5 billion gallons of
petroleum fuels per year. And that's just the beginning.
?
There is no pressing reason to destroy this incomparable research tool
at this time.. There is every reason to keep it operating.
?
Your actions can make a difference.? Forward this email to everyone you
know.? Forward this link (page 1 Wall Street Journal article, video, and
slideshow written by Barry Newman about the LFST on August 26, 2009).
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125124533797458837.html
?
Help save the Langley Full Scale Wind Tunnel! Please forward to all...we
all lose if we cannot stop this!
?
Ken W. Hyde, President
The Wright Experience,
Warrenton, VA
540/347-1909
?
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