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1. 03:29 AM - Re: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V (Barry Collman)
2. 06:04 AM - Re: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V (nico css)
3. 06:33 AM - Re: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V (Barry Collman)
4. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V (Jim Addington)
5. 09:09 AM - Re: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V (Keith S. Gordon)
6. 09:34 AM - Re: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V (Jim Addington)
7. 10:38 AM - Great Letter (David Owens)
8. 11:32 AM - Re: Great Letter (Brock Lorber)
9. 12:49 PM - FW: (mike floyd)
10. 01:20 PM - Re: Great Letter (David Owens)
11. 01:24 PM - Re: Great Letter (David Owens)
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V |
Hi Jim,
Well, last week at RAF Benson, which really isn't that far away, it got down
to -28 and that was only 2 degrees warmer than at the South Pole.
It was so cold that as Elaine & I spoke, the words froze on the air. We had to
fry them to hear what we were talking about ;-)
Sorry Jim, but it's on the way back.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@verizon.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:52 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
<jtaddington@verizon.net>
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| Hey Barry, You got the cold we sent. It got down to 8 degrees with a chill
| factor of -5. That is cold for 30 north of Dallas. Please don't send it
| back.
| Here is hoping you have a Happy New Year.
| Jim
| N444BD
| -----Original Message-----
| From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
| [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
| Collman
| Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:16 PM
| To: commander-list@matronics.com
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
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| <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
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| Hi John IV,
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| Your email got to my Inbox OK, over here in cold, snowy England!
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| Best Regards,
| Barry Collman
| Aero Commander Specialist
| Air-Britain (Historians) Ltd.
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "John IV" <n69ck@beechowners.com>
| To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
| Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:10 PM
| Subject: Commander-List: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V |
Sir Barry, that's just tooooo cold. Can you imagine what would've happened
if we didn't have global warming?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
--> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Jim,
Well, last week at RAF Benson, which really isn't that far away, it got down
to -28 and that was only 2 degrees warmer than at the South Pole.
It was so cold that as Elaine & I spoke, the words froze on the air. We had
to fry them to hear what we were talking about ;-)
Sorry Jim, but it's on the way back.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@verizon.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:52 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
<jtaddington@verizon.net>
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| Hey Barry, You got the cold we sent. It got down to 8 degrees with a chill
| factor of -5. That is cold for 30 north of Dallas. Please don't send it
| back.
| Here is hoping you have a Happy New Year.
| Jim
| N444BD
| -----Original Message-----
| From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
| [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
| Collman
| Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:16 PM
| To: commander-list@matronics.com
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
|
| <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
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| Hi John IV,
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| Your email got to my Inbox OK, over here in cold, snowy England!
|
| Best Regards,
| Barry Collman
| Aero Commander Specialist
| Air-Britain (Historians) Ltd.
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "John IV" <n69ck@beechowners.com>
| To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
| Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:10 PM
| Subject: Commander-List: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
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|| JB,
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|| Thanks for the tip, I will give Morris a call.
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|| John IV
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|| PS. Can anyone verify whether or not my original request for information
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V |
Hi Nico,
Well what us Brits ought to be doing right now is to shovel all the snow
& ice into large lorries (trucks), take them to the coast and dump it
into the sea.
The polar ice caps will then be restored - problem solved.
Easy!
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "nico css" <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 2:02 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
<nico@cybersuperstore.com>
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| Sir Barry, that's just tooooo cold. Can you imagine what would've
happened
| if we didn't have global warming?
|
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
| [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
| Collman
| Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:27 AM
| To: commander-list@matronics.com
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
|
| --> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
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| Hi Jim,
|
| Well, last week at RAF Benson, which really isn't that far away, it
got down
| to -28 and that was only 2 degrees warmer than at the South Pole.
|
| It was so cold that as Elaine & I spoke, the words froze on the air.
We had
| to fry them to hear what we were talking about ;-)
|
| Sorry Jim, but it's on the way back.
|
| Best Regards,
| Barry
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@verizon.net>
| To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
| Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:52 AM
| Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
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| <jtaddington@verizon.net>
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|| Hey Barry, You got the cold we sent. It got down to 8 degrees with a
chill
|| factor of -5. That is cold for 30 north of Dallas. Please don't send
it
|| back.
|| Here is hoping you have a Happy New Year.
|| Jim
|| N444BD
|| -----Original Message-----
|| From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
|| [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
|| Collman
|| Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:16 PM
|| To: commander-list@matronics.com
|| Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
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|| <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
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|| Hi John IV,
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|| Your email got to my Inbox OK, over here in cold, snowy England!
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|| Best Regards,
|| Barry Collman
|| Aero Commander Specialist
|| Air-Britain (Historians) Ltd.
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|| ----- Original Message -----
|| From: "John IV" <n69ck@beechowners.com>
|| To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
|| Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:10 PM
|| Subject: Commander-List: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
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<n69ck@beechowners.com>
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||| JB,
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||| Thanks for the tip, I will give Morris a call.
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information
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V |
I always heard the first guy did not have a chance. -28, now that is cold
and having to fry the words is really, really cold. It is supposed to get in
to the 60's here this week. You and Elaine may have to come over to Texas
and warm up.
Best regards to you too,
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Jim,
Well, last week at RAF Benson, which really isn't that far away, it got down
to -28 and that was only 2 degrees warmer than at the South Pole.
It was so cold that as Elaine & I spoke, the words froze on the air. We had
to
fry them to hear what we were talking about ;-)
Sorry Jim, but it's on the way back.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@verizon.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:52 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
<jtaddington@verizon.net>
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| Hey Barry, You got the cold we sent. It got down to 8 degrees with a chill
| factor of -5. That is cold for 30 north of Dallas. Please don't send it
| back.
| Here is hoping you have a Happy New Year.
| Jim
| N444BD
| -----Original Message-----
| From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
| [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
| Collman
| Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:16 PM
| To: commander-list@matronics.com
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
|
| <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
|
| Hi John IV,
|
| Your email got to my Inbox OK, over here in cold, snowy England!
|
| Best Regards,
| Barry Collman
| Aero Commander Specialist
| Air-Britain (Historians) Ltd.
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "John IV" <n69ck@beechowners.com>
| To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
| Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:10 PM
| Subject: Commander-List: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
|
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|| JB,
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|| Thanks for the tip, I will give Morris a call.
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|| John IV
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|| PS. Can anyone verify whether or not my original request for information
| went
| out over the email list or if it's just here on the forum?
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V |
I have to say that it's perhaps not put
together quite the way I would have done it (hydraulic motor powered cabin
huffer etc) but nothing has jumped out at me as being terribly outlandish
so
far.
John,
If you had designed the airplane with the technology at hand at the time,
you would have used the same systems and components. Beech used the same
set up to pressurize the Queen Air 88 and the King Air A-90.
What isn't jumping out at you but is hiding deep in the airplane is some
of what's already been pointed out to you by Tylor Hall. The New York Ai
rbrake 3000 psi hydraulic pumps are the Achilles' heel of the non-bleed ai
r 680 Turbine models. They are difficult to find and let me caution you
against anyone's idea of field-modifying the 1000 psi version of this pum
p to produce 3000 psi. That was tried on a 680V I operated and we ate hy
draulic pumps in about 20 hours or less each time.
Next we have the Fairchild air cycle machine. Great unit ... back in the
1960s. Check with Morris Kernick on availability and cost of that unit.
Not a high failure rate item, but when it blows its beets, are you going
to find one at a reasonable cost?
As far as performance, keep in mind that pre-Century series Garrett engine
s, the -43 series, merely matched the big piston engines of the day (Lycom
ing IGSO-540) in power more or less, with the exception that you'd lose po
wer with temperature and altitude very quickly.
Thus, any take off at an altitude over a sea level DENALT is suffering.
The -43 powered 680 series are in the 180 - 210 knot cruise band at altit
udes in the high teens; 16,000' DENALT is about its optimum. I point th
at out because most of us assume that a turbine powered airplane is going
to fly like ... what, gentlemen? Yes! A Stripped-Ass Ape!
I realize I may have scorched the reputation of the 680T and V commanders
but what I've told you is either the truth or my opinion. You decide. Mo
rris Kernick will either confirm or correct anything I've said that isn't
so.
Engine support you've already been briefed on. How about the electrical
system? I flew a 680V for some time with a client and I swear, we NEVER
figured out how the thing was wired from the factory and subsequent mods.
Luckily, we never had an electrical emergency because I was unable to te
ach the system in that airplane.
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?
By the way, a Century series conversion or 681 are excellent examples of
what a turbine powered Commander can be.
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: John IV <n69ck@beechowners.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 13, 2010 9:15 pm
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
Stan et. al.,
Thanks for all of the replies this evening.
I'm not particularly well versed in the 680 series of planes, but have spe
nt the
last few days digging through the maint. manual, IPC, service letters and
flight
manual to learn the various systems. I have to say that it's perhaps not
put
together quite the way I would have done it (hydraulic motor powered cabin
huffer etc) but nothing has jumped out at me as being terribly outlandish
so
far.
My biggest concern and my reason for making the original posting was to se
e if
anyone knew of any weak points in these aircraft that one should worry abo
ut ie.
does xxx have a tendency to break at regular intervals or does yyy have a
history of failing more often than a similar system on a similar aircraft.
I understand the orphaned nature of the airframe and particularly the engi
nes
and while those certainly aren't things working in the planes favor they'r
e
items that I'm willing to live with IF the aircraft and its systems are we
ll
made and reliable (not more prone to failure to a similar aircraft of simi
lar
vintage).
Thanks again for the tips, and please keep them coming. I'm all ears for
anything you're willing to share.
John IV
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| Subject: | Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V |
Last week we were sure trying to find those people that have ripped the
country and the world off for millions doing a false study on global
warming.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nico css
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:03 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
Sir Barry, that's just tooooo cold. Can you imagine what would've happened
if we didn't have global warming?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
--> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Jim,
Well, last week at RAF Benson, which really isn't that far away, it got down
to -28 and that was only 2 degrees warmer than at the South Pole.
It was so cold that as Elaine & I spoke, the words froze on the air. We had
to fry them to hear what we were talking about ;-)
Sorry Jim, but it's on the way back.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@verizon.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:52 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
<jtaddington@verizon.net>
|
| Hey Barry, You got the cold we sent. It got down to 8 degrees with a chill
| factor of -5. That is cold for 30 north of Dallas. Please don't send it
| back.
| Here is hoping you have a Happy New Year.
| Jim
| N444BD
| -----Original Message-----
| From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
| [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
| Collman
| Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:16 PM
| To: commander-list@matronics.com
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
|
| <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
|
| Hi John IV,
|
| Your email got to my Inbox OK, over here in cold, snowy England!
|
| Best Regards,
| Barry Collman
| Aero Commander Specialist
| Air-Britain (Historians) Ltd.
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "John IV" <n69ck@beechowners.com>
| To: <commander-list@matronics.com>
| Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 9:10 PM
| Subject: Commander-List: Re: Thoughts on Commander 680V
|
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|| JB,
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|| Thanks for the tip, I will give Morris a call.
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|| John IV
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|| PS. Can anyone verify whether or not my original request for information
| went
| out over the email list or if it's just here on the forum?
||
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| Subject: | Re: Great Letter |
David Owens wrote:
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I am sure you have seen some of them
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in the sky.
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Without ammunition=2C the USAF would be just another expensive flying club.
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ot screws up=2C the pilot dies=3B If ATC screws up ... the pilot dies.
Never trade luck for skill.
The three most common expressions (or famous last words) in aviation are: "
Why is it doing that?"=2C "Where are we?" and "Oh S--t!!!!"
Weather forecasts are horoscopes with numbers.
Progress in airline flying: Now a flight attendant can get a pilot pregnant
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lete the flight.
A smooth landing is mostly luck=3B two in a row is all luck=3B three in a r
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Mankind has a perfect record in aviation=3B we never left anyone up there!
Flashlights are tubular metal containers kept in a flight bag for the purpo
se of storing dead batteries!
Flying the airplane is more important than radioing your plight to a person
on the ground incapable of under-standing or doing anything about it.
When a flight is proceeding incredibly well=2C something was forgotten.
Just remember=2C if you crash because of weather=2C your funeral will be he
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le=2C endeavor to strike the softest=2C cheapest object in the vicinity as
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| Subject: | Re: Great Letter |
Yea, It was good, however the server morphed it into this... hehehe... I
guess it didn't like the pics...
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| Subject: | Re: Great Letter |
Excuse me Mr. Obama, I mean President Obama, Sir. Um . . I know you're
busy, and important and stuff. I mean, running the country is very
important and -- ah -- I hate to bother you, Sir. I will only take a
minute. Ok, Sir?
See, I have these missing pieces that are holding me up, and I was
wondering, Sir, if you could take time out of your busy schedule and help me
out. You know, no big deal, just some loose ends and things.
Hey, you have a nice place here! The wife sees houses like this on TV all
the time and says, boy, she wishes she had digs like this, you know? Is
that painting real? Really? Wow!
I saw something like that in a museum once...
Oh, sorry Sir. I didn't mean to get off the track.
So if you could just help me out a minute and give me some details, I will
get right out of your way.. I want to close this case and maybe take the
wife to Coney Island or something. Ever been to Coney Island Sir? No? I
didn't think so....
Well, listen, anyway, I can't seem to get some information I need to wrap
this up. These things seem to either be "Not released" or "Not available."
I'm sure it's just an oversight or glitch or something, so if you could you
tell me where these things are I have them written down here somewhere -- oh
wait. I'll just read it to you.
Could you please help me find these things, Sir?
1. Occidental College records -- Not released
2.. Columbia College records -- Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper -- "Not available"
4. Harvard College records -- Not released
5. Selective Service Registration -- Not released
6. Medical records -- Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule -- Not available
8. Your Illinois State Senate records -- Not available
9.. Law practice client list -- Not released
10. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate -- Not released
11. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth -- Not released
12. Record of your baptism -- Not available
13. Why your wife, Michelle, can no longer practice law as an attorney?
(Insurance Fraud?_
14. Why your wife has 22 assistants, when other First Ladies had one?
15. Why were you getting "foreign student aid" as a college student?
16. Which countries "passport" did you have when you visited Pakistan in
1981?
Oh and one more thing Mr.. President, I can't seem to find any articles you
published as editor of the Harvard Law Review, or as a Professor at the
University of Chicago . Can you explain that to me, Sir?
Oh, but hey -- listen! I know you're busy! If this is too much for you
right now -- I mean -- tell you what. I'll come back tomorrow. Give you
some time to get these things together, you know? I mean, I know you're
busy. I'll just let myself out. I'll be back tomorrow. And the day
after.... . ..
What's that Mr. President? Who wants to know these things?
We the People of the United States of America ! You know, the ones that
vote.
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