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7. 01:58 PM - Re: An Eisenhower Commander (Barry Collman)
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10. 02:20 PM - Re: An Eisenhower Commander (Barry Collman)
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| Subject: | An Eisenhower Commander |
Hi All,
I've recently found out that the Regional Military Museum, in Houma,
Louisiana are to acquire the last Commander in the USAF order for 15.
It is a Model 680 (L-26C / U-4B) and was delivered to the USAF's
Military Air Transport Service, 1254th Air Transport Group, 1298th Air
Transport Squadron (Special Missions) on April 11th 1956.
So, this is one of the Commanders almost certainly used by President
Eisenhower from time to time.
I have given the Museum a suggestion as to a possible source of logs
that might tell if he actually had control on any flights.
This Commander is being acquired from the Wedell-Williams Aviation
Museum, in Patterson, Louisiana.
Originally, the wings were to be removed outboard of the nacelles in
order to road transport the aircraft to its new location.
However, after I told them that is going to really spoil an important
piece of history as, being a one-piece spar they would have to cut the
wings off, they made enquiries and found that they cannot do that, as
they will not be the owner of the Commander.
My records indicate it is owned by the State of Louisiana and was
donated by them to the Wedell-Williams Museum.
The Regional Military Museum are therefore seeking some advice on how to
proceed with project and I feel sure we have people who can help.
Anyone willing to help save a piece of history?
This Commander's sister-ship is, of course, in the Presidential hangar
at the National Museum of the USAF, at the Wright-Patterson AFB in Ohio,
having been faithfully restored and officially unveiled and dedicated
there on July 16th 1998.
Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | An Eisenhower Commander |
Barry,
What is the present condition of the airframe? Does it have engines?
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:54 AM
Subject: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
Hi All,
I've recently found out that the Regional Military Museum, in Houma,
Louisiana are to acquire the last Commander in the USAF order for 15.
It is a Model 680 (L-26C / U-4B) and was delivered to the USAF's Military
Air Transport Service, 1254th Air Transport Group, 1298th Air Transport
Squadron (Special Missions) on April 11th 1956.
So, this is one of the Commanders almost certainly used by President
Eisenhower from time to time.
I have given the Museum a suggestion as to a possible source of logs that
might tell if he actually had control on any flights.
This Commander is being acquired from the Wedell-Williams Aviation Museum,
in Patterson, Louisiana.
Originally, the wings were to be removed outboard of the nacelles in order
to road transport the aircraft to its new location.
However, after I told them that is going to really spoil an important piece
of history as, being a one-piece spar they would have to cut the wings off,
they made enquiries and found that they cannot do that, as they will not be
the owner of the Commander.
My records indicate it is owned by the State of Louisiana and was donated by
them to the Wedell-Williams Museum.
The Regional Military Museum are therefore seeking some advice on how to
proceed with project and I feel sure we have people who can help.
Anyone willing to help save a piece of history?
This Commander's sister-ship is, of course, in the Presidential hangar at
the National Museum of the USAF, at the Wright-Patterson AFB in Ohio, having
been faithfully restored and officially unveiled and dedicated there on July
16th 1998.
Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: An Eisenhower Commander |
Hi John,
>From photos I have, that I think were taken outside the Wedell-Williams
Museum, the aircraft is complete, with engines.
Condition looks pretty good, but most of the fuselage is hidden by
tarpaulin covers.
The engines may have been similarly covered, but the tarpaulin may have
been partially removed for the photos, I'm not sure.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:09 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
Barry,
What is the present condition of the airframe? Does it have engines?
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:54 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
Hi All,
I've recently found out that the Regional Military Museum, in Houma,
Louisiana are to acquire the last Commander in the USAF order for 15.
It is a Model 680 (L-26C / U-4B) and was delivered to the USAF's
Military Air Transport Service, 1254th Air Transport Group, 1298th Air
Transport Squadron (Special Missions) on April 11th 1956.
So, this is one of the Commanders almost certainly used by President
Eisenhower from time to time.
I have given the Museum a suggestion as to a possible source of logs
that might tell if he actually had control on any flights.
This Commander is being acquired from the Wedell-Williams Aviation
Museum, in Patterson, Louisiana.
Originally, the wings were to be removed outboard of the nacelles in
order to road transport the aircraft to its new location.
However, after I told them that is going to really spoil an important
piece of history as, being a one-piece spar they would have to cut the
wings off, they made enquiries and found that they cannot do that, as
they will not be the owner of the Commander.
My records indicate it is owned by the State of Louisiana and was
donated by them to the Wedell-Williams Museum.
The Regional Military Museum are therefore seeking some advice on how
to proceed with project and I feel sure we have people who can help.
Anyone willing to help save a piece of history?
This Commander's sister-ship is, of course, in the Presidential hangar
at the National Museum of the USAF, at the Wright-Patterson AFB in Ohio,
having been faithfully restored and officially unveiled and dedicated
there on July 16th 1998.
Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | An Eisenhower Commander |
You know my attitude...put some band-aids on it and have Captain Jimbob FLY
it to its new destination! Who wouldn't want to fly a piece of
history...especially "Air Force One"?
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
Hi John,
>From photos I have, that I think were taken outside the Wedell-Williams
Museum, the aircraft is complete, with engines.
Condition looks pretty good, but most of the fuselage is hidden by tarpaulin
covers.
The engines may have been similarly covered, but the tarpaulin may have been
partially removed for the photos, I'm not sure.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum <mailto:john@vormbaum.com>
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:09 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
Barry,
What is the present condition of the airframe? Does it have engines?
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:54 AM
Subject: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
Hi All,
I've recently found out that the Regional Military Museum, in Houma,
Louisiana are to acquire the last Commander in the USAF order for 15.
It is a Model 680 (L-26C / U-4B) and was delivered to the USAF's Military
Air Transport Service, 1254th Air Transport Group, 1298th Air Transport
Squadron (Special Missions) on April 11th 1956.
So, this is one of the Commanders almost certainly used by President
Eisenhower from time to time.
I have given the Museum a suggestion as to a possible source of logs that
might tell if he actually had control on any flights.
This Commander is being acquired from the Wedell-Williams Aviation Museum,
in Patterson, Louisiana.
Originally, the wings were to be removed outboard of the nacelles in order
to road transport the aircraft to its new location.
However, after I told them that is going to really spoil an important piece
of history as, being a one-piece spar they would have to cut the wings off,
they made enquiries and found that they cannot do that, as they will not be
the owner of the Commander.
My records indicate it is owned by the State of Louisiana and was donated by
them to the Wedell-Williams Museum.
The Regional Military Museum are therefore seeking some advice on how to
proceed with project and I feel sure we have people who can help.
Anyone willing to help save a piece of history?
This Commander's sister-ship is, of course, in the Presidential hangar at
the National Museum of the USAF, at the Wright-Patterson AFB in Ohio, having
been faithfully restored and officially unveiled and dedicated there on July
16th 1998.
Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: An Eisenhower Commander |
Well John . . . I had a similar thought ;-)
Have no idea where the Museum is though, in relation to an airport.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:10 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
You know my attitude...put some band-aids on it and have Captain
Jimbob FLY it to its new destination! Who wouldn't want to fly a piece
of history...especially "Air Force One"?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 1:04 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
Hi John,
From photos I have, that I think were taken outside the
Wedell-Williams Museum, the aircraft is complete, with engines.
Condition looks pretty good, but most of the fuselage is hidden by
tarpaulin covers.
The engines may have been similarly covered, but the tarpaulin may
have been partially removed for the photos, I'm not sure.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:09 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
Barry,
What is the present condition of the airframe? Does it have engines?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:54 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
Hi All,
I've recently found out that the Regional Military Museum, in Houma,
Louisiana are to acquire the last Commander in the USAF order for 15.
It is a Model 680 (L-26C / U-4B) and was delivered to the USAF's
Military Air Transport Service, 1254th Air Transport Group, 1298th Air
Transport Squadron (Special Missions) on April 11th 1956.
So, this is one of the Commanders almost certainly used by President
Eisenhower from time to time.
I have given the Museum a suggestion as to a possible source of logs
that might tell if he actually had control on any flights.
This Commander is being acquired from the Wedell-Williams Aviation
Museum, in Patterson, Louisiana.
Originally, the wings were to be removed outboard of the nacelles in
order to road transport the aircraft to its new location.
However, after I told them that is going to really spoil an
important piece of history as, being a one-piece spar they would have to
cut the wings off, they made enquiries and found that they cannot do
that, as they will not be the owner of the Commander.
My records indicate it is owned by the State of Louisiana and was
donated by them to the Wedell-Williams Museum.
The Regional Military Museum are therefore seeking some advice on
how to proceed with project and I feel sure we have people who can help.
Anyone willing to help save a piece of history?
This Commander's sister-ship is, of course, in the Presidential
hangar at the National Museum of the USAF, at the Wright-Patterson AFB
in Ohio, having been faithfully restored and officially unveiled and
dedicated there on July 16th 1998.
Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: An Eisenhower Commander |
I have seen the aircraft a number of times. I t was kept indoors in an
air-conditioned building for at least 10 years and from the outside
appears to be intact and complete.
Unless the condition has deteriorated significantly I don't think that a
ferry would be out of the realm of possibility.
It is not more than two miles from the Intracoastal Canal which passes
through Houma so movement by barge is also a possibility.
Kindest regards,
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, 29 January, 2010 13:09
Subject: RE: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
Barry,
What is the present condition of the airframe? Does it have engines?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:54 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
Hi All,
I've recently found out that the Regional Military Museum, in Houma,
Louisiana are to acquire the last Commander in the USAF order for 15.
It is a Model 680 (L-26C / U-4B) and was delivered to the USAF's
Military Air Transport Service, 1254th Air Transport Group, 1298th Air
Transport Squadron (Special Missions) on April 11th 1956.
So, this is one of the Commanders almost certainly used by President
Eisenhower from time to time.
I have given the Museum a suggestion as to a possible source of logs
that might tell if he actually had control on any flights.
This Commander is being acquired from the Wedell-Williams Aviation
Museum, in Patterson, Louisiana.
Originally, the wings were to be removed outboard of the nacelles in
order to road transport the aircraft to its new location.
However, after I told them that is going to really spoil an important
piece of history as, being a one-piece spar they would have to cut the
wings off, they made enquiries and found that they cannot do that, as
they will not be the owner of the Commander.
My records indicate it is owned by the State of Louisiana and was
donated by them to the Wedell-Williams Museum.
The Regional Military Museum are therefore seeking some advice on how
to proceed with project and I feel sure we have people who can help.
Anyone willing to help save a piece of history?
This Commander's sister-ship is, of course, in the Presidential hangar
at the National Museum of the USAF, at the Wright-Patterson AFB in Ohio,
having been faithfully restored and officially unveiled and dedicated
there on July 16th 1998.
Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: An Eisenhower Commander |
Hi Bill,
Thanks for that and it's another possible solution for them.
>From the FAA paperwork, the State of Louisiana bought it in September
1982 and I feel sure it was donated to the Wedell-Williams Museum almost
straight away.
I'm not sure when the photos I've got were taken, but the condition
looks generally good and not a flat tire in sight.
One photo shows evidence of some weather-induced 'streaking' on the rear
fuselage, possibly from the de-ice boots, but other than that it looks
clean, at least.
Looking at the photo "properties", two of the shots were possibly taken
in April 2006 and the other five in September 2007.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: Wiliam Boelte
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
I have seen the aircraft a number of times. I t was kept indoors in an
air-conditioned building for at least 10 years and from the outside
appears to be intact and complete.
Unless the condition has deteriorated significantly I don't think that
a ferry would be out of the realm of possibility.
It is not more than two miles from the Intracoastal Canal which passes
through Houma so movement by barge is also a possibility.
Kindest regards,
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, 29 January, 2010 13:09
Subject: RE: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
Barry,
What is the present condition of the airframe? Does it have engines?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:54 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
Hi All,
I've recently found out that the Regional Military Museum, in Houma,
Louisiana are to acquire the last Commander in the USAF order for 15.
It is a Model 680 (L-26C / U-4B) and was delivered to the USAF's
Military Air Transport Service, 1254th Air Transport Group, 1298th Air
Transport Squadron (Special Missions) on April 11th 1956.
So, this is one of the Commanders almost certainly used by President
Eisenhower from time to time.
I have given the Museum a suggestion as to a possible source of logs
that might tell if he actually had control on any flights.
This Commander is being acquired from the Wedell-Williams Aviation
Museum, in Patterson, Louisiana.
Originally, the wings were to be removed outboard of the nacelles in
order to road transport the aircraft to its new location.
However, after I told them that is going to really spoil an
important piece of history as, being a one-piece spar they would have to
cut the wings off, they made enquiries and found that they cannot do
that, as they will not be the owner of the Commander.
My records indicate it is owned by the State of Louisiana and was
donated by them to the Wedell-Williams Museum.
The Regional Military Museum are therefore seeking some advice on
how to proceed with project and I feel sure we have people who can help.
Anyone willing to help save a piece of history?
This Commander's sister-ship is, of course, in the Presidential
hangar at the National Museum of the USAF, at the Wright-Patterson AFB
in Ohio, having been faithfully restored and officially unveiled and
dedicated there on July 16th 1998.
Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: An Eisenhower Commander |
The museum was originally on the grounds of the Patterson, LA (KPTA)
airport. It was moved across the highway from the airport, but I don't
know if the Commander was moved across the street. It may still be on
the airport.
The Patterson Airport was the location of an Aero Commander
Distributorship owned by Bert Berry's family during the "Good Times".
I live about 40 miles "up da bayou" so I can drop by if that would be
helpful.
Kindest regards,
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, 29 January, 2010 15:16
Subject: Re: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
Well John . . . I had a similar thought ;-)
Have no idea where the Museum is though, in relation to an airport.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:10 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
You know my attitude...put some band-aids on it and have Captain
Jimbob FLY it to its new destination! Who wouldn't want to fly a piece
of history...especially "Air Force One"?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 1:04 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
Hi John,
From photos I have, that I think were taken outside the
Wedell-Williams Museum, the aircraft is complete, with engines.
Condition looks pretty good, but most of the fuselage is hidden by
tarpaulin covers.
The engines may have been similarly covered, but the tarpaulin may
have been partially removed for the photos, I'm not sure.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:09 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
Barry,
What is the present condition of the airframe? Does it have
engines?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:54 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
Hi All,
I've recently found out that the Regional Military Museum, in
Houma, Louisiana are to acquire the last Commander in the USAF order for
15.
It is a Model 680 (L-26C / U-4B) and was delivered to the USAF's
Military Air Transport Service, 1254th Air Transport Group, 1298th Air
Transport Squadron (Special Missions) on April 11th 1956.
So, this is one of the Commanders almost certainly used by
President Eisenhower from time to time.
I have given the Museum a suggestion as to a possible source of
logs that might tell if he actually had control on any flights.
This Commander is being acquired from the Wedell-Williams Aviation
Museum, in Patterson, Louisiana.
Originally, the wings were to be removed outboard of the nacelles
in order to road transport the aircraft to its new location.
However, after I told them that is going to really spoil an
important piece of history as, being a one-piece spar they would have to
cut the wings off, they made enquiries and found that they cannot do
that, as they will not be the owner of the Commander.
My records indicate it is owned by the State of Louisiana and was
donated by them to the Wedell-Williams Museum.
The Regional Military Museum are therefore seeking some advice on
how to proceed with project and I feel sure we have people who can help.
Anyone willing to help save a piece of history?
This Commander's sister-ship is, of course, in the Presidential
hangar at the National Museum of the USAF, at the Wright-Patterson AFB
in Ohio, having been faithfully restored and officially unveiled and
dedicated there on July 16th 1998.
Best Regards,
Barry
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I landed there on Sunday, its not there. The photos that Barry has are
ones that I took. The museum was heavily damaged during the summer of 2005,
Katrina and Rita Damage. That Commander sat outside on the ramp for at
least a year or so while they constructed a new Museum on US 90 in Patterson.
I think it was then towed to the site along with a F-4 Phantom. My
brother lives there, I'll ask him to go by and take some newer photos.
Bert
In a message dated 1/29/2010 4:00:12 P.M. Central Standard Time,
n55bz@cox.net writes:
The museum was originally on the grounds of the Patterson, LA (KPTA)
airport. It was moved across the highway from the airport, but I don't know if
the Commander was moved across the street. It may still be on the airport.
The Patterson Airport was the location of an Aero Commander
Distributorship owned by Bert Berry's family during the "Good Times".
I live about 40 miles "up da bayou" so I can drop by if that would be
helpful.
Kindest regards,
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: _Barry Collman_ (mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk)
Sent: Friday, 29 January, 2010 15:16
Subject: Re: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
Well John . . . I had a similar thought ;-)
Have no idea where the Museum is though, in relation to an airport.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: _John Vormbaum_ (mailto:john@vormbaum.com)
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:10 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
You know my attitude...put some band-aids on it and have Captain Jimbob
FLY it to its new destination! Who wouldn't want to fly a piece of
history...especially "Air Force One"?
____________________________________
From: _owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com_
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
Hi John,
>From photos I have, that I think were taken outside the Wedell-Williams
Museum, the aircraft is complete, with engines.
Condition looks pretty good, but most of the fuselage is hidden by
tarpaulin covers.
The engines may have been similarly covered, but the tarpaulin may have
been partially removed for the photos, I'm not sure.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: _John Vormbaum_ (mailto:john@vormbaum.com)
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:09 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
Barry,
What is the present condition of the airframe? Does it have engines?
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:54 AM
Subject: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
Hi All,
I've recently found out that the Regional Military Museum, in Houma,
Louisiana are to acquire the last Commander in the USAF order for 15.
It is a Model 680 (L-26C / U-4B) and was delivered to the USAF's Military
Air Transport Service, 1254th Air Transport Group, 1298th Air Transport
Squadron (Special Missions) on April 11th 1956.
So, this is one of the Commanders almost certainly used by President
Eisenhower from time to time.
I have given the Museum a suggestion as to a possible source of logs that
might tell if he actually had control on any flights.
This Commander is being acquired from the Wedell-Williams Aviation Museum,
in Patterson, Louisiana.
Originally, the wings were to be removed outboard of the nacelles in order
to road transport the aircraft to its new location.
However, after I told them that is going to really spoil an important
piece of history as, being a one-piece spar they would have to cut the wings
off, they made enquiries and found that they cannot do that, as they will not
be the owner of the Commander.
My records indicate it is owned by the State of Louisiana and was donated
by them to the Wedell-Williams Museum.
The Regional Military Museum are therefore seeking some advice on how to
proceed with project and I feel sure we have people who can help.
Anyone willing to help save a piece of history?
This Commander's sister-ship is, of course, in the Presidential hangar at
the National Museum of the USAF, at the Wright-Patterson AFB in Ohio,
having been faithfully restored and officially unveiled and dedicated there on
July 16th 1998.
Best Regards,
Barry
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Hi Bert,
You know, I thought those photos came from yourself, but I must have
been extra busy the day you sent them, as I "always" put who I received
them from as either part of the file name or, using the "Properties"
then "Summary" tabs, put something in the "Comments".
So, apologies for that omission Bert.
If your brother can get some up-to-date shots, that'll be great.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: BertBerry1@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
I landed there on Sunday, its not there. The photos that Barry has
are ones that I took. The museum was heavily damaged during the summer
of 2005, Katrina and Rita Damage. That Commander sat outside on the
ramp for at least a year or so while they constructed a new Museum on US
90 in Patterson. I think it was then towed to the site along with a F-4
Phantom. My brother lives there, I'll ask him to go by and take some
newer photos.
Bert
In a message dated 1/29/2010 4:00:12 P.M. Central Standard Time,
n55bz@cox.net writes:
The museum was originally on the grounds of the Patterson, LA (KPTA)
airport. It was moved across the highway from the airport, but I don't
know if the Commander was moved across the street. It may still be on
the airport.
The Patterson Airport was the location of an Aero Commander
Distributorship owned by Bert Berry's family during the "Good Times".
I live about 40 miles "up da bayou" so I can drop by if that would
be helpful.
Kindest regards,
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, 29 January, 2010 15:16
Subject: Re: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
Well John . . . I had a similar thought ;-)
Have no idea where the Museum is though, in relation to an
airport.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:10 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
You know my attitude...put some band-aids on it and have Captain
Jimbob FLY it to its new destination! Who wouldn't want to fly a piece
of history...especially "Air Force One"?
------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 1:04 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
Hi John,
From photos I have, that I think were taken outside the
Wedell-Williams Museum, the aircraft is complete, with engines.
Condition looks pretty good, but most of the fuselage is hidden
by tarpaulin covers.
The engines may have been similarly covered, but the tarpaulin
may have been partially removed for the photos, I'm not sure.
Best Regards,
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: John Vormbaum
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:09 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
Barry,
What is the present condition of the airframe? Does it have
engines?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 10:54 AM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Commander-List: An Eisenhower Commander
Hi All,
I've recently found out that the Regional Military Museum, in
Houma, Louisiana are to acquire the last Commander in the USAF order for
15.
It is a Model 680 (L-26C / U-4B) and was delivered to the
USAF's Military Air Transport Service, 1254th Air Transport Group,
1298th Air Transport Squadron (Special Missions) on April 11th 1956.
So, this is one of the Commanders almost certainly used by
President Eisenhower from time to time.
I have given the Museum a suggestion as to a possible source
of logs that might tell if he actually had control on any flights.
This Commander is being acquired from the Wedell-Williams
Aviation Museum, in Patterson, Louisiana.
Originally, the wings were to be removed outboard of the
nacelles in order to road transport the aircraft to its new location.
However, after I told them that is going to really spoil an
important piece of history as, being a one-piece spar they would have to
cut the wings off, they made enquiries and found that they cannot do
that, as they will not be the owner of the Commander.
My records indicate it is owned by the State of Louisiana and
was donated by them to the Wedell-Williams Museum.
The Regional Military Museum are therefore seeking some advice
on how to proceed with project and I feel sure we have people who can
help.
Anyone willing to help save a piece of history?
This Commander's sister-ship is, of course, in the
Presidential hangar at the National Museum of the USAF, at the
Wright-Patterson AFB in Ohio, having been faithfully restored and
officially unveiled and dedicated there on July 16th 1998.
Best Regards,
Barry
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