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1. 11:53 AM - AC500 Question or two (Zac Armstrong)
2. 01:34 PM - Re: AC500 Question or two (lloyd silverman)
3. 09:47 PM - Re: AC500 Question or two (cybersuperstore)
4. 10:26 PM - Re: AC500 Question or two (cybersuperstore)
5. 11:01 PM - Re: AC500 Question or two (Brock Lorber)
6. 11:11 PM - Re: AC500 Question or two (cybersuperstore)
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| Subject: | AC500 Question or two |
I wanted to solicit some feedback on the AC500 (straight 500) birds. A whi
le back we were looking to purchase a 500A or B. We had some issues and ar
e tossing around the idea again. Anyway=2C there is a seemingly nice 500 f
or sale on Controller.com. Keep in mind we currently have a 56' G35 Bonan
za and are used to old airplanes. I wanted to know what kind of REAL WORLD
performance figures does everyone see for the 500=2C 500A=2C and 500B? Any
thing that would prohibit anyone for buying a straight 500? Feedback is gr
eatly appreciated. My cell # is 936-577-1117
Thanks a million=2C
Zac Armstrong
All the world's great civilizations have followed the same path: from bonda
ge to spiritual faith=3B from spiritual faith to courage=3B from courage to
liberty=3B from liberty to abundance=3B from abundance to selfishness=3B f
rom selfishness to complacency=3B from complacency to apathy=3B from apathy
to dependence=3B from dependence back to bondage. If we are to be the exc
eption to history=2C then we must break the cycle=2C for those who do not r
emember the past are condemned to repeat it.
-Based on statements/excepts from Sir Alexander Fraser Tytler and George Sa
ntayana.
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| Subject: | Re: AC500 Question or two |
ZAC, IVE OWNED A 500B FOR 28 YEARS.FANTASTIC AIRCRAFT BUT,,,, NEEDS
TENDER LOVING CARE & $$$$
AS DOES ANY OLD AIRCRAFT.LOTS OF LUCK, LLOYD
----- Original Message -----
From: Zac Armstrong<mailto:transam403@hotmail.com>
To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 2:52 PM
Subject: Commander-List: AC500 Question or two
I wanted to solicit some feedback on the AC500 (straight 500) birds.
A while back we were looking to purchase a 500A or B. We had some
issues and are tossing around the idea again. Anyway, there is a
seemingly nice 500 for sale on Controller.com. Keep in mind we
currently have a 56' G35 Bonanza and are used to old airplanes. I
wanted to know what kind of REAL WORLD performance figures does everyone
see for the 500, 500A, and 500B? Anything that would prohibit anyone for
buying a straight 500? Feedback is greatly appreciated. My cell # is
936-577-1117
Thanks a million,
Zac Armstrong
All the world's great civilizations have followed the same path:
from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from
courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to
selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to
apathy; from apathy to dependence; from dependence back to bondage. If
we are to be the exception to history, then we must break the cycle, for
those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
-Based on statements/excepts from Sir Alexander Fraser Tytler
and George Santayana.
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| Subject: | AC500 Question or two |
Hi Zac,
I had a straight 500 and put about 1,100 hours on it. I found it to be
extremely reliable with low maintenance costs. At the same time I had a Twin
Comanche and (still) believe that those two planes in combination afforded
me the best capability in terms of speed and payload when I needed it. Once
I needed a left undercarriage brake rotor and some other stuff, which cost a
bundle to import from the U.S. (I lived in South Africa at the time). And
one other time the hydraulic line that operated the hydraulic pressure gauge
cracked and nearly made us into a flying molotoff cocktail. After the brake
incident I learned to land and slow the AC down without touching the brakes.
The 500 had extremely good loading capability provided one operates it at
lower altitudes. In terms of pure functionality and a bit higher maintenance
costs, a Miller converted 500A would seem to me to be the ultimate ship. I
only have a few hours on the 500B and no time on the Shrike, so I'd rather
not comment on them.
You can see me playing with the AC here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rcUM9MCPsA
Nico
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lloyd
silverman
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC500 Question or two
ZAC, IVE OWNED A 500B FOR 28 YEARS.FANTASTIC AIRCRAFT BUT,,,, NEEDS TENDER
LOVING CARE & $$$$
AS DOES ANY OLD AIRCRAFT.LOTS OF LUCK, LLOYD
----- Original Message -----
From: Zac Armstrong <mailto:transam403@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 2:52 PM
Subject: Commander-List: AC500 Question or two
I wanted to solicit some feedback on the AC500 (straight 500) birds. A
while back we were looking to purchase a 500A or B. We had some issues and
are tossing around the idea again. Anyway, there is a seemingly nice 500
for sale on Controller.com. Keep in mind we currently have a 56' G35
Bonanza and are used to old airplanes. I wanted to know what kind of REAL
WORLD performance figures does everyone see for the 500, 500A, and 500B?
Anything that would prohibit anyone for buying a straight 500? Feedback is
greatly appreciated. My cell # is 936-577-1117
Thanks a million,
Zac Armstrong
All the world's great civilizations have followed the same path: from
bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to
liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from
selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to
dependence; from dependence back to bondage. If we are to be the exception
to history, then we must break the cycle, for those who do not remember the
past are condemned to repeat it.
-Based on statements/excepts from Sir Alexander Fraser Tytler and George
Santayana.
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| Subject: | AC500 Question or two |
Oh, I burned 22 gph (Imperial gallons) on the 500 and exactly half that on
the Twin Comanche. I once loaded 9 people into the 500 when we had to fly
them out of Inhaca Island (off the east coast of Mozambique) in 1984. It was
a non-event in terms of performance and comfort.
There are other things that I did with the Commander that are not
necessarily suitable to confess to. It is a worthy and honest ship which
more than makes up for all its other idiosyncrasies.
Nico
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cybersuperstore
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 9:47 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: AC500 Question or two
Hi Zac,
I had a straight 500 and put about 1,100 hours on it. I found it to be
extremely reliable with low maintenance costs. At the same time I had a Twin
Comanche and (still) believe that those two planes in combination afforded
me the best capability in terms of speed and payload when I needed it. Once
I needed a left undercarriage brake rotor and some other stuff, which cost a
bundle to import from the U.S. (I lived in South Africa at the time). And
one other time the hydraulic line that operated the hydraulic pressure gauge
cracked and nearly made us into a flying molotoff cocktail. After the brake
incident I learned to land and slow the AC down without touching the brakes.
The 500 had extremely good loading capability provided one operates it at
lower altitudes. In terms of pure functionality and a bit higher maintenance
costs, a Miller converted 500A would seem to me to be the ultimate ship. I
only have a few hours on the 500B and no time on the Shrike, so I'd rather
not comment on them.
You can see me playing with the AC here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rcUM9MCPsA
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lloyd
silverman
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC500 Question or two
ZAC, IVE OWNED A 500B FOR 28 YEARS.FANTASTIC AIRCRAFT BUT,,,, NEEDS TENDER
LOVING CARE & $$$$
AS DOES ANY OLD AIRCRAFT.LOTS OF LUCK, LLOYD
----- Original Message -----
From: Zac Armstrong <mailto:transam403@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 2:52 PM
Subject: Commander-List: AC500 Question or two
I wanted to solicit some feedback on the AC500 (straight 500) birds. A
while back we were looking to purchase a 500A or B. We had some issues and
are tossing around the idea again. Anyway, there is a seemingly nice 500
for sale on Controller.com. Keep in mind we currently have a 56' G35
Bonanza and are used to old airplanes. I wanted to know what kind of REAL
WORLD performance figures does everyone see for the 500, 500A, and 500B?
Anything that would prohibit anyone for buying a straight 500? Feedback is
greatly appreciated. My cell # is 936-577-1117
Thanks a million,
Zac Armstrong
All the world's great civilizations have followed the same path: from
bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to
liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from
selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to
dependence; from dependence back to bondage. If we are to be the exception
to history, then we must break the cycle, for those who do not remember the
past are condemned to repeat it.
-Based on statements/excepts from Sir Alexander Fraser Tytler and George
Santayana.
<http://www.b-25yellowrose.com/images/null.gif>
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| Subject: | Re: AC500 Question or two |
I've probably told this story, but when 400CH (680FL(P)) first came to
Las Vegas, there was an Aero Star parked next to us.
One day, the owner of the Aero Star walked up while I was adding a 5th
(6th?) coat of wax and said, "that's a nice plane, but I like a little
more speed."
"Well, let's race," I said.
He got an indignant look on his face and said something to the effect
of, "oh, that plane will never keep up with mine."
I smiled and said, "you didn't let me finish. The race is moving 8
people plus hunting gear from here to Del Rio, TX."
cybersuperstore wrote:
> I once loaded 9 people into the 500 when we had to fly
> them out of Inhaca Island (off the east coast of Mozambique) in 1984. It was
> a non-event in terms of performance and comfort.
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| Subject: | AC500 Question or two |
You'll get them every time with that.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock Lorber
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC500 Question or two
<blorber@southwestcirrus.com>
I've probably told this story, but when 400CH (680FL(P)) first came to
Las Vegas, there was an Aero Star parked next to us.
One day, the owner of the Aero Star walked up while I was adding a 5th
(6th?) coat of wax and said, "that's a nice plane, but I like a little
more speed."
"Well, let's race," I said.
He got an indignant look on his face and said something to the effect
of, "oh, that plane will never keep up with mine."
I smiled and said, "you didn't let me finish. The race is moving 8
people plus hunting gear from here to Del Rio, TX."
cybersuperstore wrote:
> I once loaded 9 people into the 500 when we had to fly
> them out of Inhaca Island (off the east coast of Mozambique) in 1984. It
was
> a non-event in terms of performance and comfort.
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