---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/06/10: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:53 AM - AC500 Question or two (Zac Armstrong) 2. 01:34 PM - Re: AC500 Question or two (lloyd silverman) 3. 09:47 PM - Re: AC500 Question or two (cybersuperstore) 4. 10:26 PM - Re: AC500 Question or two (cybersuperstore) 5. 11:01 PM - Re: AC500 Question or two (Brock Lorber) 6. 11:11 PM - Re: AC500 Question or two (cybersuperstore) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:53:09 AM PST US From: Zac Armstrong Subject: Commander-List: AC500 Question or two I wanted to solicit some feedback on the AC500 (straight 500) birds. A whi le back we were looking to purchase a 500A or B. We had some issues and ar e tossing around the idea again. Anyway=2C there is a seemingly nice 500 f or sale on Controller.com. Keep in mind we currently have a 56' G35 Bonan za and are used to old airplanes. I wanted to know what kind of REAL WORLD performance figures does everyone see for the 500=2C 500A=2C and 500B? Any thing that would prohibit anyone for buying a straight 500? Feedback is gr eatly appreciated. My cell # is 936-577-1117 Thanks a million=2C Zac Armstrong All the world's great civilizations have followed the same path: from bonda ge to spiritual faith=3B from spiritual faith to courage=3B from courage to liberty=3B from liberty to abundance=3B from abundance to selfishness=3B f rom selfishness to complacency=3B from complacency to apathy=3B from apathy to dependence=3B from dependence back to bondage. If we are to be the exc eption to history=2C then we must break the cycle=2C for those who do not r emember the past are condemned to repeat it. -Based on statements/excepts from Sir Alexander Fraser Tytler and George Sa ntayana. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search=2C chat and e-mail from your inb ox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:41 PM PST US From: "lloyd silverman" Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC500 Question or two ZAC, IVE OWNED A 500B FOR 28 YEARS.FANTASTIC AIRCRAFT BUT,,,, NEEDS TENDER LOVING CARE & $$$$ AS DOES ANY OLD AIRCRAFT.LOTS OF LUCK, LLOYD ----- Original Message ----- From: Zac Armstrong To: commander-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 2:52 PM Subject: Commander-List: AC500 Question or two I wanted to solicit some feedback on the AC500 (straight 500) birds. A while back we were looking to purchase a 500A or B. We had some issues and are tossing around the idea again. Anyway, there is a seemingly nice 500 for sale on Controller.com. Keep in mind we currently have a 56' G35 Bonanza and are used to old airplanes. I wanted to know what kind of REAL WORLD performance figures does everyone see for the 500, 500A, and 500B? Anything that would prohibit anyone for buying a straight 500? Feedback is greatly appreciated. My cell # is 936-577-1117 Thanks a million, Zac Armstrong All the world's great civilizations have followed the same path: from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependence; from dependence back to bondage. If we are to be the exception to history, then we must break the cycle, for those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -Based on statements/excepts from Sir Alexander Fraser Tytler and George Santayana. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Learn more. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:47:50 PM PST US From: "cybersuperstore" Subject: RE: Commander-List: AC500 Question or two Hi Zac, I had a straight 500 and put about 1,100 hours on it. I found it to be extremely reliable with low maintenance costs. At the same time I had a Twin Comanche and (still) believe that those two planes in combination afforded me the best capability in terms of speed and payload when I needed it. Once I needed a left undercarriage brake rotor and some other stuff, which cost a bundle to import from the U.S. (I lived in South Africa at the time). And one other time the hydraulic line that operated the hydraulic pressure gauge cracked and nearly made us into a flying molotoff cocktail. After the brake incident I learned to land and slow the AC down without touching the brakes. The 500 had extremely good loading capability provided one operates it at lower altitudes. In terms of pure functionality and a bit higher maintenance costs, a Miller converted 500A would seem to me to be the ultimate ship. I only have a few hours on the 500B and no time on the Shrike, so I'd rather not comment on them. You can see me playing with the AC here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rcUM9MCPsA Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lloyd silverman Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 1:27 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC500 Question or two ZAC, IVE OWNED A 500B FOR 28 YEARS.FANTASTIC AIRCRAFT BUT,,,, NEEDS TENDER LOVING CARE & $$$$ AS DOES ANY OLD AIRCRAFT.LOTS OF LUCK, LLOYD ----- Original Message ----- From: Zac Armstrong Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 2:52 PM Subject: Commander-List: AC500 Question or two I wanted to solicit some feedback on the AC500 (straight 500) birds. A while back we were looking to purchase a 500A or B. We had some issues and are tossing around the idea again. Anyway, there is a seemingly nice 500 for sale on Controller.com. Keep in mind we currently have a 56' G35 Bonanza and are used to old airplanes. I wanted to know what kind of REAL WORLD performance figures does everyone see for the 500, 500A, and 500B? Anything that would prohibit anyone for buying a straight 500? Feedback is greatly appreciated. My cell # is 936-577-1117 Thanks a million, Zac Armstrong All the world's great civilizations have followed the same path: from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependence; from dependence back to bondage. If we are to be the exception to history, then we must break the cycle, for those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -Based on statements/excepts from Sir Alexander Fraser Tytler and George Santayana. Commemorative Air Force - Yellow Rose - B-25 SQDN. _____ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Learn more. title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:17 PM PST US From: "cybersuperstore" Subject: RE: Commander-List: AC500 Question or two Oh, I burned 22 gph (Imperial gallons) on the 500 and exactly half that on the Twin Comanche. I once loaded 9 people into the 500 when we had to fly them out of Inhaca Island (off the east coast of Mozambique) in 1984. It was a non-event in terms of performance and comfort. There are other things that I did with the Commander that are not necessarily suitable to confess to. It is a worthy and honest ship which more than makes up for all its other idiosyncrasies. Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cybersuperstore Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 9:47 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: AC500 Question or two Hi Zac, I had a straight 500 and put about 1,100 hours on it. I found it to be extremely reliable with low maintenance costs. At the same time I had a Twin Comanche and (still) believe that those two planes in combination afforded me the best capability in terms of speed and payload when I needed it. Once I needed a left undercarriage brake rotor and some other stuff, which cost a bundle to import from the U.S. (I lived in South Africa at the time). And one other time the hydraulic line that operated the hydraulic pressure gauge cracked and nearly made us into a flying molotoff cocktail. After the brake incident I learned to land and slow the AC down without touching the brakes. The 500 had extremely good loading capability provided one operates it at lower altitudes. In terms of pure functionality and a bit higher maintenance costs, a Miller converted 500A would seem to me to be the ultimate ship. I only have a few hours on the 500B and no time on the Shrike, so I'd rather not comment on them. You can see me playing with the AC here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rcUM9MCPsA Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lloyd silverman Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 1:27 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC500 Question or two ZAC, IVE OWNED A 500B FOR 28 YEARS.FANTASTIC AIRCRAFT BUT,,,, NEEDS TENDER LOVING CARE & $$$$ AS DOES ANY OLD AIRCRAFT.LOTS OF LUCK, LLOYD ----- Original Message ----- From: Zac Armstrong Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 2:52 PM Subject: Commander-List: AC500 Question or two I wanted to solicit some feedback on the AC500 (straight 500) birds. A while back we were looking to purchase a 500A or B. We had some issues and are tossing around the idea again. Anyway, there is a seemingly nice 500 for sale on Controller.com. Keep in mind we currently have a 56' G35 Bonanza and are used to old airplanes. I wanted to know what kind of REAL WORLD performance figures does everyone see for the 500, 500A, and 500B? Anything that would prohibit anyone for buying a straight 500? Feedback is greatly appreciated. My cell # is 936-577-1117 Thanks a million, Zac Armstrong All the world's great civilizations have followed the same path: from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependence; from dependence back to bondage. If we are to be the exception to history, then we must break the cycle, for those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -Based on statements/excepts from Sir Alexander Fraser Tytler and George Santayana. Commemorative Air Force - Yellow Rose - B-25 SQDN. _____ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Learn more. title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:01:07 PM PST US From: Brock Lorber Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC500 Question or two I've probably told this story, but when 400CH (680FL(P)) first came to Las Vegas, there was an Aero Star parked next to us. One day, the owner of the Aero Star walked up while I was adding a 5th (6th?) coat of wax and said, "that's a nice plane, but I like a little more speed." "Well, let's race," I said. He got an indignant look on his face and said something to the effect of, "oh, that plane will never keep up with mine." I smiled and said, "you didn't let me finish. The race is moving 8 people plus hunting gear from here to Del Rio, TX." cybersuperstore wrote: > I once loaded 9 people into the 500 when we had to fly > them out of Inhaca Island (off the east coast of Mozambique) in 1984. It was > a non-event in terms of performance and comfort. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:11:46 PM PST US From: "cybersuperstore" Subject: RE: Commander-List: AC500 Question or two You'll get them every time with that. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brock Lorber Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 11:01 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: AC500 Question or two I've probably told this story, but when 400CH (680FL(P)) first came to Las Vegas, there was an Aero Star parked next to us. One day, the owner of the Aero Star walked up while I was adding a 5th (6th?) coat of wax and said, "that's a nice plane, but I like a little more speed." "Well, let's race," I said. He got an indignant look on his face and said something to the effect of, "oh, that plane will never keep up with mine." I smiled and said, "you didn't let me finish. The race is moving 8 people plus hunting gear from here to Del Rio, TX." cybersuperstore wrote: > I once loaded 9 people into the 500 when we had to fly > them out of Inhaca Island (off the east coast of Mozambique) in 1984. It was > a non-event in terms of performance and comfort. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message commander-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/commander-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.