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1. 12:08 PM - Landing gear strut lubricaton (Dave Gerrish)
2. 05:00 PM - Re: Landing gear strut lubricaton (John Vormbaum)
3. 07:47 PM - Re: Landing gear strut lubricaton (AEROCOMAND@aol.com)
4. 09:02 PM - Re: Landing gear strut lubricaton (Jack B. Mills)
5. 10:06 PM - Re: Landing gear strut lubricaton & IFR currency (Keith S. Gordon)
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| Subject: | Landing gear strut lubricaton |
I have been reading the communications for a couple of
years, but this is my first try at asking for input.
Before every flight we wipe hydraulic fluid on the strut to make it less
sticky and wipe off any grime. I had a mechanic at our airport (KHWY,
Warrenton, Va.) suggest to me that a product I believe called DOW40 be
sprayed on instead. His thought was that it kept the oleo slippery longer
and did no harm to the internal seals. Does anyone have opinion or
experience with this product.
Sincerely,
Dave Gerrish
Co-owner, 500S, N47AC
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| Subject: | Landing gear strut lubricaton |
Personally, I always thought that the only thing stickier than super glue is
hydraulic fluid. I use Commander-Approved Strut Cleaning Fluid (i.e. some
fuel from the sump, on a paper towel) to wipe down the struts before I fly.
It gets them clean easily and evaporates quickly.
I haven't heard of DOW40 but am curious to hear from anyone who has used it.
Cheers,
/John
500B N353CC
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Gerrish
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 12:08 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Landing gear strut lubricaton
I have been reading the communications for a couple of
years, but this is my first try at asking for input.
Before every flight we wipe hydraulic fluid on the strut to make it less
sticky and wipe off any grime. I had a mechanic at our airport (KHWY,
Warrenton, Va.) suggest to me that a product I believe called DOW40 be
sprayed on instead. His thought was that it kept the oleo slippery longer
and did no harm to the internal seals. Does anyone have opinion or
experience with this product.
Sincerely,
Dave Gerrish
Co-owner, 500S, N47AC
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear strut lubricaton |
Kerosene or diesel
jg
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear strut lubricaton |
I am with you, John, also this action keeps you from getting the $
50,000.00 Fine (no joking) at Pensacola, Fl. for throwing the sumped
avgas on the tarmack.
On another note, are any of you able to keep insurance on a pressurized
Commander, without having an instrument check ride at least once a year?
After moving to Farmington, NM it is not necessary to stay instrument
current, as we have two types of weather here....vis. at least 100
miles, or so bad that you don't want to Taxi. Also, since my
retirement, most flying is just for fun, and if I must sit on the ground
until the weather clears at MYF or somewhere, this only means that I
have more time to enjoy the local stuff. My insurance carrier (AVEMCO)
who has been good for many years, insists on the check ride only because
of the pressurization. Also, because of the pressurization, a co-pilot
will be needed when I turn 70.
If someone has a good 680F or 680FL I would consider trading up, down,
or sideways for my 680Fp, which has mid time engines, all the bells and
whistles, is certified known icing, and is in really great shape except
the paint job which could use some help. Due to the high density
altitude here I can only consider forced induction with big horsepower.
Moe Mills
N680RR
680Fp
From: John Vormbaum
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 4:55 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Landing gear strut lubricaton
Personally, I always thought that the only thing stickier than super
glue is hydraulic fluid. I use Commander-Approved Strut Cleaning Fluid
(i.e. some fuel from the sump, on a paper towel) to wipe down the struts
before I fly. It gets them clean easily and evaporates quickly.
I haven't heard of DOW40 but am curious to hear from anyone who has used
it.
Cheers,
/John
500B N353CC
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Gerrish
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 12:08 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Landing gear strut lubricaton
I have been reading the communications for a couple of
years, but this is my first try at asking for input.
Before every flight we wipe hydraulic fluid on the strut to make it less
sticky and wipe off any grime. I had a mechanic at our airport (KHWY,
Warrenton, Va.) suggest to me that a product I believe called DOW40 be
sprayed on instead. His thought was that it kept the oleo slippery
longer and did no harm to the internal seals. Does anyone have opinion
or experience with this product.
Sincerely,
Dave Gerrish
Co-owner, 500S, N47AC
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| Subject: | Re: Landing gear strut lubricaton & IFR currency |
On the topic of wiping down struts: I'd like to get Morris Kernick's thou
ghts on this. My thoughts are:
AvGas, while a great solvent, does not lubricate the strut.
WD40 (Witch Doctor 40) cleans and lubricates when its fresh, gets really
gummy when it's old or cold and will roll an O ring fast.
If you're not going to wipe down your struts with 5606 prior to each fligh
t, find a substance that is compatible with the material the O ring is mad
e from.
I have no idea what that other substance would be.
Moe: I had a client, Roy Everingham, who I trained in his AC-680F(P) who
was not instrument rated. AVEMCO insisted on him removing the pressuriz
ation equipment!
I intervened and argued that a man in is 70s, flying from San Diego to Lak
e Tahoe, would not be well served by lack of pressurization along that rou
te.
AVEMCO's answer was that statistically, a non-instrument rated pilot in a
pressurized aircraft is going to be stuck on top of an overcast and (here
's the punch line) "We have the cancelled checks to prove it."
We compromised. I said that rather than remove the pressurization system
that he could disable it. That seemed to satisfy the agent. The answe
r to your next question is, "No."
You may have better luck with another underwriter -- but I doubt it. Insu
rance companies do not like pressurized twins to be flown my non-instrumen
t rated or instrument-current pilots. Alternatives? Self insure or get
and stay current.
Keith S Gordon
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack B. Mills <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sun, Jun 27, 2010 9:00 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Landing gear strut lubricaton
I am with you, John, also this action keeps you from getting the $ 50,000.
00 Fine (no joking) at Pensacola, Fl. for throwing the sumped avgas on the
tarmack.
On another note, are any of you able to keep insurance on a pressurized
Commander, without having an instrument check ride at least once a year?
After moving to Farmington, NM it is not necessary to stay instrument cu
rrent, as we have two types of weather here....vis. at least 100 miles, or
so bad that you don't want to Taxi. Also, since my retirement, most flyi
ng is just for fun, and if I must sit on the ground until the weather clea
rs at MYF or somewhere, this only means that I have more time to enjoy the
local stuff. My insurance carrier (AVEMCO) who has been good for many ye
ars, insists on the check ride only because of the pressurization. Also,
because of the pressurization, a co-pilot will be needed when I turn 70.
If someone has a good 680F or 680FL I would consider trading up, down, or
sideways for my 680Fp, which has mid time engines, all the bells and whis
tles, is certified known icing, and is in really great shape except the pa
int job which could use some help. Due to the high density altitude here
I can only consider forced induction with big horsepower.
Moe Mills
N680RR
680Fp
From: John Vormbaum
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 4:55 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Landing gear strut lubricaton
Personally, I always thought that the only thing stickier than super glue
is hydraulic fluid. I use Commander-Approved Strut Cleaning Fluid (i.e.
some fuel from the sump, on a paper towel) to wipe down the struts before
I fly. It gets them clean easily and evaporates quickly.
I haven=99t heard of DOW40 but am curious to hear from anyone who ha
s used it.
Cheers,
/John
500B N353CC
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Gerrish
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 12:08 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Landing gear strut lubricaton
I have been reading the communications for a couple of yea
rs, but this is my first try at asking for input.
Before every flight we wipe hydraulic fluid on the strut to make it less
sticky and wipe off any grime. I had a mechanic at our airport (KHWY, Wa
rrenton, Va.) suggest to me that a product I believe called DOW40 be spray
ed on instead. His thought was that it kept the oleo slippery longer and
did no harm to the internal seals. Does anyone have opinion or experienc
e with this product.
Sincerely,
Dave Gerrish
Co-owner, 500S, N47AC
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