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- Jacksonville News Stor...
AMEN jb
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From: Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget@telus.net>
Sent: Fri, Sep 10, 2010 10:34 pm
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane
On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
I read about Mr Hoover's Jet fuel experience in his book...what amazed me
was he sought out the line-boy (just a teenager) and told him that in the
future he wanted him, and him only to fuel his aircraft. Gave the kid bac
k some pride, and for sure that young man wasn't going to mess up again.
Bob Hoover is not only an excellent pilot, but also a true gentleman.
Andrew.
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From: craig kennedy
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane
On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
Bob Hoover was refueled with Jet-A. I watched while he took off trailing
heavy back smoke... Fuel your own plane.
Craig
From: lloyd silverman <LLOYDSSS11@MSN.COM>
Sent: Fri, September 10, 2010 6:51:08 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane
On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
TYLOR, I GUESS MY FUEL LOAD MIXED. THE ENGINES DIDN=99T QUIT AND IM
STILL HERE.
BY THE WAY THE NOZZLE ON THE JETA TRUCK HAD JAMMED AND THEY TEMPORARILY RE
PLACED IT WITH A 100 OCT NOZZLE. LINE BOY HAD JUST FUELED ATURBO COMMANDER
. IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE.LLOYD
----- Original Message -----
From: Tylor Hall
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane
On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
LLoyd,
It happened to Bob Hover once in his 500S.
I stopped a new line girl from fueling a 690B with AVGAS once and told her
to go get the jet truck.
I had a 500 B for a year and you are right. Never leave the line to fuel
the aircraft or there will be a problem.
It is amazing to what lengths Line men will go to try and get that Duck Bi
ll Jet nozzle in the fill port with a small hole in it.
With a Commander and the single main fuel tank, if you do not get mixing,
the Jet A being heavier will go to to the bottom sump.
Then each engine gets almost pure jet A about 200' off the ground and both
engines quit.
I was flying a Bonanza that was fueled with a bad batch of fuel. The deli
very truck had hauled a load of Jet A and did not get flushed out when he
hauled AVGAS. The samples came out 4-8% Jet.
We had the same high temperatures even with full mixture and reduced manif
old pressures.
That was the night we made an IFR approach to minimums and only saw the en
d of runway lights and did a missed.
Flew about 5 miles west to another airport and broke out at 700'.
Tylor Hall
On Sep 10, 2010, at 6:52 PM, lloyd silverman wrote:
TYLOR, ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO ON A RAINING LOW VISIBILITY IFR NIGHT, OUT OF PO
RTLAND MAINE, I ASKED AN FBO TO ADD 25 GALS TO THE 90 GALS ON BOARD.THERE
IS A RESTRICTOR AT THE FUEL INTAKE OF MY 500B. THRU A SERIES OF BAD COINC
IDENTAL MISTAKES THEY PUT IN 25 GALS OF JET FUEL. IN FLIGHT I EXPERIENCE
D HI ENGINE HEAT AND POOR PERFORMANCE. SLOWED TO ABOUT 40 % POWER WITH COW
L FLAPS FULL OPEN AND MADE IT TO DESTINATION. THE 80% 100 OCT IS WHY WE DI
DN=99T COME DOWN.... ALWAYS WATCH THEM FUEL YOUR AIRCRAFT. LLOYD
----- Original Message -----
From: Tylor Hall
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane
On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
Wow, getting on the ground and walking away after both engines quit is a
good thing.
Too bad you can't use the plane again.
That sounds like a miss fueling with Jet A.
Shortly after take off one engine quits and about the time you have it tur
ned around the other quits?
I would be checking who fueled it last and with what?
Another Commander gives up its life to save its passengers.
Tylor Hall
On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:54 PM, lloyd silverman wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 |
- Jacksonville News Stor...
Yes you should have been there!! At the flyin I took three quart jars and
filled one with 100LL, another with Jet A and the last one 1/2 of each.
Ii was always told that if you mixed fuel grades, the dye would disappear
. NOT SO!!!!! Had you come to the flyin you would have seen that is is
nearly impossible to tell the difference between the 1/2 jet and all 100
LL. Very sobering!
We should have been at the fly-in
-----Original Message-----
From: cybersuperstore <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Fri, Sep 10, 2010 10:09 pm
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane
On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
We should have been at the fly-in. But, I guess we are keeping the home fi
res burning while the others are holding the Group's flag high in Hillsbor
o.
I wrote about this a while ago, but I had my 500's tanks filled with Jet
fuel when I wasn't looking. I had to rush into town in a smaller city bec
ause I was already latish, and it was taken care of by the FBO. What I did
n't know (and it wouldn't have changed the outcome either) was that turbin
e Commanders were flying in and out of this airport at night doing freight
runs. So, the linesman did what he was used to and filled her up with avt
ur. I don't know how the nozzles business worked for the poor guy, but whe
n I got back and was handed the bill for the fuel, it was about 100 bucks
less than I expected. If I had been a greedy guy, I might have taken off
thinking I got a bargain, but I complained. That's when they checked the
receipt and verified that the amount was correct and that's what avtur co
sts.
So, the FBO drained the contaminated fuel, filled the tanks with avgas, le
t it sit for a weekend, drained it again and filled it one more time with
fresh gas. Then he took samples of the fuel and sent them to the oil comp
any for verification that the fuel is clean. It took more than a week befo
re I got back to my Charlie and took her home. The FBO picked up the tab
and paid for my commercial flight tickets to boot. All I had to pay was
for the difference between avtur and avgas.
The local DCA (the equivalent of the FAA in South Africa back then) sent
me a letter of reprimand because I didn't supervise my refueling operatio
n personally.
I firmly believe that I would have crashed on that short runway when the
engines would have quit as I hung a couple of hundred feet above the neig
hborhood.
It pays not to be greedy.
Nico
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st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig kennedy
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane
On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
Bob Hoover was refueled with Jet-A. I watched while he took off trailing
heavy back smoke... Fuel your own plane.
Craig
From: lloyd silverman <LLOYDSSS11@MSN.COM>
Sent: Fri, September 10, 2010 6:51:08 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane
On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
TYLOR, I GUESS MY FUEL LOAD MIXED. THE ENGINES DIDN=99T QUIT AND IM
STILL HERE.
BY THE WAY THE NOZZLE ON THE JETA TRUCK HAD JAMMED AND THEY TEMPORARILY RE
PLACED IT WITH A 100 OCT NOZZLE. LINE BOY HAD JUST FUELED ATURBO COMMANDER
. IT COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE.LLOYD
----- Original Message -----
From: Tylor Hall
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane
On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
LLoyd,
It happened to Bob Hover once in his 500S.
I stopped a new line girl from fueling a 690B with AVGAS once and told her
to go get the jet truck.
I had a 500 B for a year and you are right. Never leave the line to fuel
the aircraft or there will be a problem.
It is amazing to what lengths Line men will go to try and get that Duck Bi
ll Jet nozzle in the fill port with a small hole in it.
With a Commander and the single main fuel tank, if you do not get mixing,
the Jet A being heavier will go to to the bottom sump.
Then each engine gets almost pure jet A about 200' off the ground and both
engines quit.
I was flying a Bonanza that was fueled with a bad batch of fuel. The deli
very truck had hauled a load of Jet A and did not get flushed out when he
hauled AVGAS. The samples came out 4-8% Jet.
We had the same high temperatures even with full mixture and reduced manif
old pressures.
That was the night we made an IFR approach to minimums and only saw the en
d of runway lights and did a missed.
Flew about 5 miles west to another airport and broke out at 700'.
Tylor Hall
On Sep 10, 2010, at 6:52 PM, lloyd silverman wrote:
TYLOR, ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO ON A RAINING LOW VISIBILITY IFR NIGHT, OUT OF PO
RTLAND MAINE, I ASKED AN FBO TO ADD 25 GALS TO THE 90 GALS ON BOARD.THERE
IS A RESTRICTOR AT THE FUEL INTAKE OF MY 500B. THRU A SERIES OF BAD COINC
IDENTAL MISTAKES THEY PUT IN 25 GALS OF JET FUEL. IN FLIGHT I EXPERIENCE
D HI ENGINE HEAT AND POOR PERFORMANCE. SLOWED TO ABOUT 40 % POWER WITH COW
L FLAPS FULL OPEN AND MADE IT TO DESTINATION. THE 80% 100 OCT IS WHY WE DI
DN=99T COME DOWN.... ALWAYS WATCH THEM FUEL YOUR AIRCRAFT. LLOYD
----- Original Message -----
From: Tylor Hall
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Fw: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane
On I-10 - Jacksonville News Stor...
Wow, getting on the ground and walking away after both engines quit is a
good thing.
Too bad you can't use the plane again.
That sounds like a miss fueling with Jet A.
Shortly after take off one engine quits and about the time you have it tur
ned around the other quits?
I would be checking who fueled it last and with what?
Another Commander gives up its life to save its passengers.
Tylor Hall
On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:54 PM, lloyd silverman wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: scott
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 10:57 AM
Subject: Fwd: Check out Report: Co-Pilot Landed Plane On I-10 - Jacksonvil
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