---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/25/10: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:24 AM - Re: n1007pv (William J Hamilton) 2. 02:59 PM - Re: n1007pv (Patrick Harris) 3. 04:41 PM - anatomy of stupidity (cybersuperstore) 4. 06:53 PM - Re: anatomy of stupidity (William J Hamilton) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:02 AM PST US From: "William J Hamilton" Subject: RE: Commander-List: n1007pv Folks, Sound suspiciously like a lack of motion lotion. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cybersuperstore Sent: Saturday, 25 September 2010 12:12 Subject: RE: Commander-List: n1007pv http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2010/9/23/37072/Twin-engine-plane-cra sh-near-Las-Americas-Airport-injures-4 in foreign English. As if I am one to judge. Good news nobody was killed. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of alh1@juno.com Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 1:55 PM Subject: Commander-List: n1007pv a 500 commander went down in the Dominican republic on 9/24/2010. the news story is on google at dominican republic news. no fatalities. based in miami, flying from puerto rico to dominican republic crashed short of field. allan hoffman ____________________________________________________________ Mortgage Rates Hit 3.25% If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program SeeRefinanceRates.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:59:32 PM PST US From: "Patrick Harris" Subject: RE: Commander-List: n1007pv My thoughts exactly Patrick From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William J Hamilton Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 10:19 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: n1007pv Folks, Sound suspiciously like a lack of motion lotion. Cheers, Bill Hamilton From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cybersuperstore Sent: Saturday, 25 September 2010 12:12 Subject: RE: Commander-List: n1007pv http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/local/2010/9/23/37072/Twin-engine-plane-cra sh-near-Las-Americas-Airport-injures-4 in foreign English. As if I am one to judge. Good news nobody was killed. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of alh1@juno.com Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 1:55 PM Subject: Commander-List: n1007pv a 500 commander went down in the Dominican republic on 9/24/2010. the news story is on google at dominican republic news. no fatalities. based in miami, flying from puerto rico to dominican republic crashed short of field. allan hoffman ____________________________________________________________ Mortgage Rates Hit 3.25% If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program SeeRefinanceRates.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:01 PM PST US From: "cybersuperstore" Subject: Commander-List: anatomy of stupidity Running out of fuel is seldom an accident. This reconstruction gives a rare insight into the bizarre things that some pilots do. One cannot over emphasize the importance of a humility check before takeoff. http://flash.aopa.org/asf/acs_crosscountry/?WT.mc_id=100924epilot &WT.mc_sect=tts ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:38 PM PST US From: William J Hamilton Subject: Re: Commander-List: anatomy of stupidity Folks, We have some interesting exprience with fule exhaustion accidents in Australia. Traditionally, Australia is the greatest creator of "rules" for aviation safety, whether by weight, volume or word count, we lead the world. Unfortunately, that has not resulted in the world's best air safety outcomes, despite nationalistic claims to the contrary. In abou 1996, the very prescriptive rules for fuel reserves were repealed and CAAP ( AC) was published outlining all the things to take into consideration in fuel flight planning. However, the totally prescriptive rules were maintained for "commercial" operations, via Operations Manual/ Ops. Spec requirements, so the change really only effected private flights. The results ( and the value of prescriptive rules versus outcome based rules) were instructive. Over the sunsequent 5 years, as a result of a post implimentation review of the regulations; (1 ) Private flight fuel exhaustion accidents dropped by about 60%. (2) Commercial fuel exhaustion accidents showed no change, and have slightly increased in more recent years. Ergo, thinking pilots are safer pilots than those who blindly "comply" with prescriptive regulations. Cheers, Bill Hamilton > cybersuperstore wrote: > > Running out of fuel is seldom an accident. This reconstruction gives a > rare > insight into the bizarre things that some pilots do. One cannot over > emphasize the importance of a humility check before takeoff. > > > > http://flash.aopa.org/asf/acs_crosscountry/?WT.mc_id=100924epilot > sec > t=tts> &WT.mc_sect=tts > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message commander-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/commander-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.