---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/02/10: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:50 AM - Re: Commander photos (Barry Collman) 2. 04:57 AM - Re: Commander photos (Barry Collman) 3. 05:01 AM - Attention of: Bert Berry (Barry Collman) 4. 05:05 AM - Re: Commander photos (sr14572@yahoo.com) 5. 05:34 AM - Re: Attention of: Bert Berry (Bert Berry) 6. 09:22 AM - FW: B52 (Roland Gilliam) 7. 10:53 AM - ramp mummies (Peter Bichier) 8. 11:24 AM - Re: ramp mummies (Bert Berry) 9. 12:58 PM - Commander photos (Peter Bichier) 10. 01:43 PM - Photos to Berry (Peter Bichier) 11. 02:00 PM - Re: Commander photos (Bert Berry) 12. 02:50 PM - Re: Photos to Berry (Barry Collman) 13. 03:51 PM - Photos to Berry (Peter Bichier) 14. 06:11 PM - Re: Photos to Berry (Jack B. Mills) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:40 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander photos Hello "sr14572", More thanks! These were 'obviously' now taken after many more mods (all recorded) were installed by the Aircenter Inc. Now a "Shrike-Alike" 500B!! Best Regards, Barry From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sr14572@yahoo.com Sent: 02 December 2010 01:16 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos these were taken after I sold it. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:16 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander photos Hi Morris, N37CK was converted from a 500A to a 500B on July 13th 1964 and, to be a bit nit-picky, the engines were IO-540-E1A5. And in CommanderLand, no information is "useless information" ;-) Not visible in Peter's shot, but it has also had a forward cabin door installed. Another mod. Is the Miller nose, but that's fairly obvious!! Best Regards, Barry From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Morris Kernick Sent: 02 December 2010 07:39 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos Peter: On examination of the pictures of N37CK, it was produced as a 500A, but was converted to a 500B, which is Lycoming IO540B1A5 powered. Just some useless information. Do you have the pictures posted of the fly-in & Evergreen museum? I lost my camera with them, before I could download them. Best regards, Morris kernick ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:29 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: Commander-List: Attention of: Bert Berry Hi Bert, Not sure if you're getting the chatlist emails, but my last two email to your own address have not been delivered. The message back says: "The following message to was undeliverable. The reason for the problem: 5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'5.1.1 : Recipient address rejected: aol.com' Best Regards, Barry From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: 02 December 2010 12:48 Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander photos Hello "sr14572", More thanks! These were 'obviously' now taken after many more mods (all recorded) were installed by the Aircenter Inc. Now a "Shrike-Alike" 500B!! Best Regards, Barry From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sr14572@yahoo.com Sent: 02 December 2010 01:16 Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos these were taken after I sold it. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:53 AM PST US From: "sr14572@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos yes. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Barry Collman =0ATo: commander-list@matronics.com=0ASent : Thu, December 2, 2010 7:48:03 AM=0ASubject: RE: Commander-List: Commander photos=0A=0A=0AHello =9Csr14572=9D,=0A=C2-=0AMore thanks!=0A These were =98obviously=99 now taken after many more mods (all recorded) were =0Ainstalled by the Aircenter Inc.=0ANow a =9CShrike-A like=9D 500B!!=0A=C2-=0ABest Regards,=0ABarry=0A=C2-=0AFrom:owner -commander-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-commander-list-server @matronics.com] On Behalf Of =0Asr14572@yahoo.com=0ASent: 02 December 2010 01:16=0ATo: commander-list@matronics.com; Barry Collman; bertberrry@aol.com =0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos=0A=C2-=0Athese were take ================== =0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:55 AM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: Attention of: Bert Berry From: Bert Berry Thanks Barry, I'm getting them now. Must have been a late night glitch. Bert On Dec 2, 2010, at 6:58 AM, "Barry Collman" wrote: > Hi Bert, > > > > Not sure if you=99re getting the chatlist emails, but my last two em ail to your own address have not been delivered. > > The message back says: > > =9CThe following message to was undeliverable. > > The reason for the problem: > > 5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'5.1.1 : Recipient a ddress rejected: aol.com' > > > > Best Regards, > > Barry > > > > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman > Sent: 02 December 2010 12:48 > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander photos > > > > Hello =9Csr14572=9D, > > > > More thanks! > > These were =98obviously=99 now taken after many more mods (all recorded) were installed by the Aircenter Inc. > > Now a =9CShrike-Alike=9D 500B!! > > > > Best Regards, > > Barry > > > > From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of sr14572@yahoo.com > Sent: 02 December 2010 01:16 > To: commander-list@matronics.com; Barry Collman; bertberrry@aol.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos > > > > these were taken after I sold it. > > > > > > www.aeroelectric.com > www.buildersbooks.com > www.homebuilthelp.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > http://forums.matronics.com > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:20 AM PST US From: Roland Gilliam Subject: Commander-List: FW: B52 This is a pretty good read. I hope it is accurate. Roland Gilliam AC 500 6291B From: jpurner@100dollarhamburger.com Subject: RE: B52 Glad too. Heck I=92m flattered you asked!!!! B-52 and You! The B-52 is the most enduring example of an actively flying war machine. It came online in 1952 and has played a major role in every war or skirmish U ncle Sam has been involved in since it first taxied down the flight line. S ome serial numbers are today being crewed by the great-grandchildren of the men who first flew them. Oddly=2C these old birds are today among the most advanced weapon systems in the skies. The airframe has undergone only slig ht modification since 1952 - beefed up spars and advanced wing tips mostly. The propulsion systems have been upgraded several times to increase speed and range. The avionics and instrumentation bear no resemblance at all to t he =91when new=92 panel. All of the weapons systems=2C both offensive ad de fensive have been upgraded many=2C many times. What remains constant is the B-52=92s airframe=3B it really hasn=92t changed much at all. The result for Uncle Sam has been a huge cost savings. Rather than phasing in a new bomber every few years and sending the old one to the aluminum shr edder=2C the B-52 has simply been upgraded=2C modified and improved by addi ng new propulsion=2C avionics and weapon systems. The savings from this app roach have been enormous and come at no loss of air superiority. The B-52 i s a state of the art weapon today just as it was in 1952. Amazing! The story of the B-52 relates directly to the buyers market we are seeing i n general aviation in the current economy. Airplanes are merely huge basket s of parts glued together to make a machine that flies. Each part plays a u nique role in one of the aircraft=92s three major elements: the airframe=2C the propulsion system and the avionics/instrumentation panel. They are equ ally important but not equally costly. The most expensive of the three is t he airframe. It is also the most static. High engineering and development c osts are offset by long production runs. When you have a winning airframe y ou stay with it and put your R&D money into powerplants=2C avionics and ins trumentation. The top selling aircraft that roll out of the Beechcraft=2C Cessna and Pipe r factories today were first offered for sale more than fifty years ago. Th e reason is simple. It is hard=2C sometimes impossible to improve on a near perfect airframe. Just as the B-58 =91Hustler=92 failed to replace the B-5 2 =91BUFF=92 nothing has come along to replace the venerable Cessna 172. It is a near perfect design for a four place trainer that also serves as a gr eat short range cross country aircraft. The powerplant has been upgraded as has the panel and the creature comforts of the cabin but the airframe is b asically the same one that first climbed into the air in 1958. If you need a little more speed and no more than four seats=2C think 182. The Bonanza h as long been the first choice for those needing six seats=2C good speed and acceptable range. What about a Cherokee 6 or Saratoga or Mooney? They are all great airframes that have each reached their design peak. My point is t hat the really great airframe solutions designed for YOUR mission have been around for a long time and nothing is likely to appear soon to replace the m. So buy one with confidence but=85=85=85=85=85. Used is a MUCH better deal than new. If you currently own a Cessna 172 it m akes perfect sense to invest in upgrading its engine=2C avionics and instru mentation. On the other hand=2C it would be an odd use of money to buy a ne w 172 as a replacement for the one you currently own. That is why Cessna is able to sell only a handful of brand new ones each month. There is no diff erence in the airframe of today and those of yesterday=3B even many=2C many yesterdays. The same is true of the Bonanza. The A-36 airframe is identica l to that of the current production G-36. What is different is a fresh coat of paint=2C a new interior and a glass panel. That=92s it! The airframe is identical!!!! The same is true in the Piper world. A great example is the Saratoga. Why buy a new one? Makes no sense! If you are thinking of changing out your airframe for something bigger or f aster=2C the problem you=92ll face is selling your old bird. Today is just not a great time to be a seller. By the time your airplane is salable once again the prices of what you=92d like to own will also have gone up. It=92s the rising tide problem. All boats get lifted=2C so you remain in the same relative position=2C at least on a percentage basis. On a dollar basis you lose=2C as 20% of a bigger number is a much bigger number. When the 172 yo u want to sell gains $10=2C000 in value=2C the Bonanza you want to buy will climb by $30=2C000. Waiting to upgrade causes your dream to drift further and further away. What I am about to write will seem strange (very strange=2C actually) but t hink about it a while before you send me a =93John=2C you=92re as dumb as a rock=94 email. This is the best time to become a TWO aircraft owner. If you currently own a Cessna 172 (for instance) and need a faster cross country machine=2C keep your 172 and buy a used Baron B55 (for instance). You=92ll make money twice. A few years from today the price you get for tha t 172 will really make you smile but not nearly as widely as you will when you get around to pricing Barons a few years from now. Try to buy your dream machine with a nearly run out engine and later replac e or overhaul it when the FAA finally decides the fuel issue. You=92ll want to change to a power plant that burns whatever the world will then be sell ing. Keep things glued together until you know. DO NOT upgrade the panel an d DO NOT look for a ship with an updated panel. You=92ll have to throw it a ll away very soon. The world of avionics is about to change as the FAA brings ADS-B online. Wi th it comes a REQUIREMENT for at least a transponder capable of transmittin g your aircraft=92s information to the FAA=92s NextGEN equipment. The new s ystem promises to replace radar and ILS. Your new transponder will constan tly transmit your aircraft=92s information package including altitude and p osition. To do that=2C it must talk to your ship=92s GPS. The ADS-B system will return to you the location of nearby aircraft and weather information for graphic and textual display. Hence=2C you will also need an ADS-B recei ver and a multifunction display capable of using the data it gathers. What would be heartbreaking would be to invest in currently acceptable boxes onl y to have to pull them in a short time and throw them away. WAIT on the pan el upgrade. Short version: You will be able to sell your current airplane in a couple of years for twi ce what you will get today=3B conversely you can buy an airplane today for half what it will cost in a couple of years. You can put your stack of chip s into the stock market or real estate and watch it dwindle or you can buy a popular aircraft and watch its value grow. There is no doubt that the demand for GA aircraft will increase as more and more business people make the switch from the strip search=2C pat down lin e to the pleasure of personal air travel. You can take that to the bank. What if you don=92t own an aircraft today? Buy one! Whatever you can afford and plan to do what the Air Force has done with the B-52. Keep it forever and upgrade its power plant and panel when necessary as your budget allows. Even a Cessna 150 can be a great travel solution for trips of less than 30 0 miles. I bought one of those in 1990 for $7=2C500. Today the same plane g oes for twice that in the worst economic downturn since the Great Depressio n. You can=92t lose money investing in an airplane=2C especially if you tim e your purchase and plan on keeping it for the long haul. To quote Warren Buffett=2C =93Buy when others are scared and sell when they =92re greedy.=94 Now is the time buy an airplane!!!!! The best deals are on twins and fire breathing=2C fuel gobbling high perfor mance singles but the sales (not asking) prices of 172=92s=2C 150=92s Chero kee=92s and V-tailed Bonanza=92s are also amazingly low. Find the ship you want and make an offer you can afford. You=92ll be very happy with the outc ome. Great airframes never die=3B they just get new powerplants=2C paint jobs=2C interiors=2C avionics and instrumentation. Fly some place today ' you=92ve earned it! To comment on this eBurger simply send me an email or go to the bottom of t his article n the Burger Blog and click on Reply to this Post. I look forward to reading your thoughts. John Purner John Purner Publisher - www.100dollarhamburger.com jpurner@100dollarhamburger.com From: Roland Gilliam [mailto:amg3636@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday=2C December 02=2C 2010 11:30 AM Subject: B52 John=2C Would you please resend the B52 email to me. I accidently deleted it. Roland Gilliam ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:53:34 AM PST US From: Peter Bichier Subject: Commander-List: ramp mummies Hey Bert, I am on to this one, I signed up to the "backcountrypilot.org" list (a process that took 2 days) and I've dropped a line to the guy who took the photo... meanwhile I received an answer from a total different guy about another abandoned Commander in Alaska (I've also asked for a photo) we'll keep you posted. Here is his response: Sent: Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:12 pm ... I thought I'd mention an Aero Commander that's parked in Talkeetna, Alaska (PATK). Not sure the registration or model- sorry. But I've seen it there over the years. The other place I've seen a few of them is in Canadian fire-fighting operations. In Dryden, Ontario, specifically (CYHD). Cheers, Denalipilot On Nov 29, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Bertberry1 wrote: > > Or this one? Don't know where this was taken. > > http://www.backcountrypilot.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5264&hilit=aero+commander&start=40 > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:24:58 AM PST US From: Bert Berry Subject: Commander-List: Re: ramp mummies Thanks Peter! On Dec 2, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Peter Bichier wrote : > Hey Bert, > > I am on to this one, I signed up to the "backcountrypilot.org" list (a pro cess that took 2 days) and I've dropped a line to the guy who took the photo ... meanwhile I received an answer from a total different guy about another a bandoned Commander in Alaska (I've also asked for a photo) we'll keep you po sted. > > Here is his response: Sent: Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:12 pm > > ... I thought I'd mention an Aero Commander that's parked in Talkeetna, Al aska (PATK). Not sure the registration or model- sorry. But I've seen it the re over the years. The other place I've seen a few of them is in Canadian fi re-fighting operations. In Dryden, Ontario, specifically (CYHD). > Cheers, > Denalipilot > On Nov 29, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Bertberry1 wrote: > >> >> Or this one? Don't know where this was taken. >> >> http://www.backcountrypilot.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5264&hilit= aero+commander&start=40 >> > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:58:16 PM PST US From: Peter Bichier Subject: Commander-List: Commander photos Bert, Thanks for your Denali 560E, good to know it's still "certified"... may be it'll be resurrected one of these days! Barry thanks for the original photos of #211 you sent them to me a couple of years ago but it's always a pleasure to look at them again. The funny thing is that one of the owners posing under the back wing just looks like my Dad!... I guess Commander owners have something in common in a surreal way... I am resending my Dad's straight 560 and I'm also putting up a link with other random photos taken at the time (poor quality since they are all from prints) but also you should be able to read the comments. This Christmas I am going to see my Mother and will check more family albums and boxes to see if I can find a picture of YV-515P. From Picasa you can all download anything that you want and I'm pretty sure it's the same quality as my originals; if you have problems let me know and I'll attach at least an original as well. Hasta Luego, http://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/YVTABE?feat=directlink On Dec 1, 2010, at 6:05 PM, Barry Collman wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Thanks for the two shots. > Hope you didn't scratch the roof of the rental car ;-) > > Could you re-send the shots of your Dad's 560 YV-T-ABE? > I will then send them on to Bert. > I don't have any shots of it as YV-515P either, nor of it when later > N5462Z. > > However, I have scanned a B&W negative of it when Regd N2711B, taken > on > 28Jan65 at Santa Monica CA., possibly by Jay Sherlock. > > Best Regards, > Barry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Bichier [mailto:pbichie@utnet.utoledo.edu] > Sent: 01 December 2010 22:19 > To: commander-list@matronics.com; Barry Collman; bertberrry@aol.com > Subject: Commander photos > > Hi Barry, > > I must admit it wasn't very clear to me either that you were looking > for > MORE Commander pictures; granted I'm relatively "new" to this > group... but > HEY it's not too late. > So I'll start the ball rolling and all who are reading will follow > how's > that? > > First I have already shared the ones from my Dad's straight 560 #211 > (YV-T-ABE). > I'm still looking for pictures of her when she was (YV-515P). If you > two > want those again, let me know. > > Here are two pictures of 1962 500A-B #1251-76 N37CK and 1968 500S > #1817-23 > N590DR taken both at St John's International Airport (VI22) taken 10 > March > 2010. > I tried to get closer, but the guard at the gate told me since I was > not > embarking on a plane at the civilian side I had no business in > there... So I > parked the car as close as I could from the gate and took a picture > from the > roof of my rental (I can still see the guard waving at me asking WTF?) > > Doesn't seem that N37CK is going any where... where as N590DR had just > landed (you can see the shows of the pilot if you look closely). > > Let me know when you receive them Sir. > Always a pleasure to hear yours and everyone else's Commander stories, > > Peter > > PS. I am working on your other request as well. > <00211 - 560-211 - N2711B - B&W - 1.jpg> ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:48 PM PST US From: Peter Bichier Subject: Commander-List: Photos to Berry Hi Tylor, Thanks for sharing the photos, hope JB answered about the Cleveland Brakes, hard to tell from the photo for me at least... Just looked at your other photos and I downloaded the "Hannay-20Aero-20Commander," what a great photo! What's the story? do you know any of these people or was this an original for publicity? I would put $ down that's a straight 560! any takers? thanks! p. For those who have not seen it: On Nov 28, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Tylor Hall wrote: > Berry, > N8468C is a 680E that is listed for sale with Barron Thomas. There > are photos of the interior on his web site. > http://www.barronthomas.com/ > > It has been sitting for over 5 years according to some people at the > French Valley Airport, CA. > The price has come down due to metal in the oil. ?? unconfirmed. > > http://gallery.me.com/tylorhall#100518&view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel=0 > > You should be able to open this gallery and down load the photos. > JB are the breaks Cleveland? Can you tell from the photo? > > More photos later. > Tylor Hall > tylorhall@mac.com > First Fueling Systems, Inc. > 100 Iron Ave. SE > Albuquerque, NM 87102 > 505-400-8373 Cell > 505-247-3001 > 505-247-3005 FAX > www.firstfueling.com > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:00:24 PM PST US From: Bert Berry Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander photos Thanks Peter On Dec 2, 2010, at 2:54 PM, Peter Bichier wrote: > Bert, Thanks for your Denali 560E, good to know it's still "certified"... may be it'll be resurrected one of these days! > Barry thanks for the original photos of #211 you sent them to me a couple of years ago but it's always a pleasure to look at them again. The funny thing is that one of the owners posing under the back wing just looks like my Dad!... I guess Commander owners have something in common in a surreal way... > > I am resending my Dad's straight 560 and I'm also putting up a link with other random photos taken at the time (poor quality since they are all from prints) but also you should be able to read the comments. > > This Christmas I am going to see my Mother and will check more family albums and boxes to see if I can find a picture of YV-515P. From Picasa you can all download anything that you want and I'm pretty sure it's the same quality as my originals; if you have problems let me know and I'll attach at least an original as well. > > Hasta Luego, > > http://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/YVTABE?feat=directlink > > > > > > > On Dec 1, 2010, at 6:05 PM, Barry Collman wrote: > >> Hi Peter, >> >> Thanks for the two shots. >> Hope you didn't scratch the roof of the rental car ;-) >> >> Could you re-send the shots of your Dad's 560 YV-T-ABE? >> I will then send them on to Bert. >> I don't have any shots of it as YV-515P either, nor of it when later N5462Z. >> >> However, I have scanned a B&W negative of it when Regd N2711B, taken on >> 28Jan65 at Santa Monica CA., possibly by Jay Sherlock. >> >> Best Regards, >> Barry >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peter Bichier [mailto:pbichie@utnet.utoledo.edu] >> Sent: 01 December 2010 22:19 >> To: commander-list@matronics.com; Barry Collman; bertberrry@aol.com >> Subject: Commander photos >> >> Hi Barry, >> >> I must admit it wasn't very clear to me either that you were looking for >> MORE Commander pictures; granted I'm relatively "new" to this group... but >> HEY it's not too late. >> So I'll start the ball rolling and all who are reading will follow how's >> that? >> >> First I have already shared the ones from my Dad's straight 560 #211 >> (YV-T-ABE). >> I'm still looking for pictures of her when she was (YV-515P). If you two >> want those again, let me know. >> >> Here are two pictures of 1962 500A-B #1251-76 N37CK and 1968 500S #1817-23 >> N590DR taken both at St John's International Airport (VI22) taken 10 March >> 2010. >> I tried to get closer, but the guard at the gate told me since I was not >> embarking on a plane at the civilian side I had no business in there... So I >> parked the car as close as I could from the gate and took a picture from the >> roof of my rental (I can still see the guard waving at me asking WTF?) >> >> Doesn't seem that N37CK is going any where... where as N590DR had just >> landed (you can see the shows of the pilot if you look closely). >> >> Let me know when you receive them Sir. >> Always a pleasure to hear yours and everyone else's Commander stories, >> >> Peter >> >> PS. I am working on your other request as well. >> <00211 - 560-211 - N2711B - B&W - 1.jpg> > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:43 PM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Photos to Berry Hi Peter, It is indeed a straight 560, s/n 203, N444H. Best Regards, Barry From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Bichier Sent: 02 December 2010 21:41 Subject: Commander-List: Photos to Berry Hi Tylor, Thanks for sharing the photos, hope JB answered about the Cleveland Brakes, hard to tell from the photo for me at least... Just looked at your other photos and I downloaded the "Hannay-20Aero-20Commander," what a great photo! What's the story? do you know any of these people or was this an original for publicity? I would put $ down that's a straight 560! any takers? thanks! p. For those who have not seen it: On Nov 28, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Tylor Hall wrote: Berry, N8468C is a 680E that is listed for sale with Barron Thomas. There are photos of the interior on his web site. http://www.barronthomas.com/ It has been sitting for over 5 years according to some people at the French Valley Airport, CA. The price has come down due to metal in the oil. ?? unconfirmed. http://gallery.me.com/tylorhall#100518 &view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel=0 You should be able to open this gallery and down load the photos. JB are the breaks Cleveland? Can you tell from the photo? More photos later. Tylor Hall tylorhall@mac.com First Fueling Systems, Inc. 100 Iron Ave. SE Albuquerque, NM 87102 505-400-8373 Cell 505-247-3001 505-247-3005 FAX www.firstfueling.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:51 PM PST US From: Peter Bichier Subject: Commander-List: Photos to Berry Tylor, I will share this one with the rest of the gang and specially if Ricardo is somewhere "listening" on the chat or any of the Otaola. I met what I think is the patriarch, not sure though, but Francisco Otaola is the one who knew my Dad. I suspect Ricardo is the son and he would not remember me since we were both young at the time. His father? Francisco Otaola knew my Dad and flew together and as Commander owners kept on sharing mechanics and notes (I tagged along a couple of times) on YV-T-JTO (later YV-1611P), a '62 680F #1214-112 now is YV1611 and correctly so has been owned by the family since new and now unfortunately is on the market for $300K... My pilot buddy down there (I usually fly to my research sites) was going to introduce them to me again, but YV-1611 was flying when we look for them; tragically my friend died in a motorcycle accident and we never made contact. It seems to be in great shape, (has changed paint scheme since I knew it of course). By the way, in this site you'll see that there are 9 Turbo Commanders based in Venezuela for sale... just to show that if you want you can properly maintain a Commander down there as well. Thanks for bringing back fond memories Commanders! and sorry to see her go... http://www.tuavion.com/es/indices/turboprop.html (you have to scroll down to Twincommander 680F 62 Charallave, Venezuela) On Dec 2, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Tylor Hall wrote: > Peter, > Do you know Ricardo Otaola from Venezuela. His family has owned > several Aero Commanders. I meet him in the Island of Bonaire in > 2003. He was flying a 680F that they had owned since new. > He was on the Commander list. > Tylor > > On Dec 2, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Peter Bichier wrote: > >> Hum... I don't know if I would change an Aero Commander for a >> Saratoga... but hey I'm not the one with deep pockets either! at >> least I did get it right with the 560! >> >> I'm still sorting through my pictures of this year's FLY IN (poor >> Jim Bob was really disappointed) I still had a blast! I'll post >> them soon, >> >> take care and thanks! >> >> P. >> >> On Dec 2, 2010, at 5:14 PM, Tylor Hall wrote: >> >>> Peter, >>> Here is what Barry Coleman said. >>> >>> The "Hannay" shots were kindly sent to me also some years ago and >>> show their >>> 560 s/n 203, N444H and their later 500A s/n 1113-55, also N444H. >>> >>> Hannay Reels has owned two Aero Commanders. They put out a >>> calendar each year and the aircraft photos were in there. >>> We have been a dealer for Hannay for many years. I flew in there >>> King Air once and they have since moved up to a Primer Jet. >>> Roger Hannay, Grandson of the founder is a pilot and had a >>> Saratoga that he flew, but now he has a Pro Pilot do the flying. >>> >>> Tylor Hall >>> tylorhall@mac.com >>> First Fueling Systems, Inc. >>> 100 Iron Ave. SE >>> Albuquerque, NM 87102 >>> 505-400-8373 Cell >>> 505-247-3001 >>> 505-247-3005 FAX >>> www.firstfueling.com >>> >>> On Dec 2, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Peter Bichier wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Tylor, >>>> >>>> Thanks for sharing the photos, hope JB answered about the >>>> Cleveland Brakes, hard to tell from the photo for me at least... >>>> >>>> Just looked at your other photos and I downloaded the >>>> "Hannay-20Aero-20Commander," what a great photo! What's the >>>> story? do you know any of these people or was this an original >>>> for publicity? >>>> >>>> I would put $ down that's a straight 560! any takers? >>>> >>>> thanks! >>>> >>>> p. >>>> >>>> For those who have not seen it: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 28, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Tylor Hall wrote: >>>> >>>>> Berry, >>>>> N8468C is a 680E that is listed for sale with Barron Thomas. >>>>> There are photos of the interior on his web site. >>>>> http://www.barronthomas.com/ >>>>> >>>>> It has been sitting for over 5 years according to some people at >>>>> the French Valley Airport, CA. >>>>> The price has come down due to metal in the oil. ?? unconfirmed. >>>>> >>>>> http://gallery.me.com/ >>>>> tylorhall#100518&view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel=0 >>>>> >>>>> You should be able to open this gallery and down load the photos. >>>>> JB are the breaks Cleveland? Can you tell from the photo? >>>>> >>>>> More photos later. >>>>> Tylor Hall >>>>> tylorhall@mac.com >>>>> First Fueling Systems, Inc. >>>>> 100 Iron Ave. SE >>>>> Albuquerque, NM 87102 >>>>> 505-400-8373 Cell >>>>> 505-247-3001 >>>>> 505-247-3005 FAX >>>>> www.firstfueling.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:14 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Mills" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Photos to Berry Hi Folks, Does anyone have a stinger tail cone to fit my 680Fp that they would like to sell or trade for something? Moe Mills N680RR 680Fp From: Peter Bichier Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 3:49 PM Subject: Commander-List: Photos to Berry Tylor, I will share this one with the rest of the gang and specially if Ricardo is somewhere "listening" on the chat or any of the Otaola. I met what I think is the patriarch, not sure though, but Francisco Otaola is the one who knew my Dad. I suspect Ricardo is the son and he would not remember me since we were both young at the time. His father? Francisco Otaola knew my Dad and flew together and as Commander owners kept on sharing mechanics and notes (I tagged along a couple of times) on YV-T-JTO (later YV-1611P), a '62 680F #1214-112 now is YV1611 and correctly so has been owned by the family since new and now unfortunately is on the market for $300K... My pilot buddy down there (I usually fly to my research sites) was going to introduce them to me again, but YV-1611 was flying when we look for them; tragically my friend died in a motorcycle accident and we never made contact. It seems to be in great shape, (has changed paint scheme since I knew it of course). By the way, in this site you'll see that there are 9 Turbo Commanders based in Venezuela for sale... just to show that if you want you can properly maintain a Commander down there as well. Thanks for bringing back fond memories Commanders! and sorry to see her go... http://www.tuavion.com/es/indices/turboprop.html (you have to scroll down to Twincommander 680F 62 Charallave, Venezuela) On Dec 2, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Tylor Hall wrote: Peter, Do you know Ricardo Otaola from Venezuela. His family has owned several Aero Commanders. I meet him in the Island of Bonaire in 2003. He was flying a 680F that they had owned since new. He was on the Commander list. Tylor On Dec 2, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Peter Bichier wrote: Hum... I don't know if I would change an Aero Commander for a Saratoga... but hey I'm not the one with deep pockets either! at least I did get it right with the 560! I'm still sorting through my pictures of this year's FLY IN (poor Jim Bob was really disappointed) I still had a blast! I'll post them soon, take care and thanks! P. On Dec 2, 2010, at 5:14 PM, Tylor Hall wrote: Peter, Here is what Barry Coleman said. The "Hannay" shots were kindly sent to me also some years ago and show their 560 s/n 203, N444H and their later 500A s/n 1113-55, also N444H. Hannay Reels has owned two Aero Commanders. They put out a calendar each year and the aircraft photos were in there. We have been a dealer for Hannay for many years. I flew in there King Air once and they have since moved up to a Primer Jet. Roger Hannay, Grandson of the founder is a pilot and had a Saratoga that he flew, but now he has a Pro Pilot do the flying. Tylor Hall tylorhall@mac.com First Fueling Systems, Inc. 100 Iron Ave. SE Albuquerque, NM 87102 505-400-8373 Cell 505-247-3001 505-247-3005 FAX www.firstfueling.com On Dec 2, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Peter Bichier wrote: Hi Tylor, Thanks for sharing the photos, hope JB answered about the Cleveland Brakes, hard to tell from the photo for me at least... Just looked at your other photos and I downloaded the "Hannay-20Aero-20Commander," what a great photo! What's the story? do you know any of these people or was this an original for publicity? I would put $ down that's a straight 560! any takers? thanks! p. For those who have not seen it: On Nov 28, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Tylor Hall wrote: Berry, N8468C is a 680E that is listed for sale with Barron Thomas. There are photos of the interior on his web site. http://www.barronthomas.com/ It has been sitting for over 5 years according to some people at the French Valley Airport, CA. The price has come down due to metal in the oil. ?? unconfirmed. http://gallery.me.com/tylorhall#100518&view=grid&bgcolor=black&sel= 0 You should be able to open this gallery and down load the photos. JB are the breaks Cleveland? Can you tell from the photo? More photos later. 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