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2. 04:24 AM - Re: Commander photo / video (BobsV35B@aol.com)
3. 05:44 AM - Re: Commander photo / video (Barry Collman)
4. 08:52 AM - Re: Commander photo / video (Bert Berry)
5. 09:35 AM - Re: Commander photo / video (Morris Kernick)
6. 11:02 AM - Re: Commander photo / video (BobsV35B@aol.com)
7. 11:37 AM - Re: Commander photo / video (Barry Collman)
8. 11:56 AM - Re: Commander photo / video (BobsV35B@aol.com)
9. 12:16 PM - Re: Commander photo / video (Barry Collman)
10. 01:30 PM - Re: Commander photos (Tom Fisher)
11. 01:31 PM - Re: Facebook page (Tom Fisher)
12. 01:49 PM - Re: Commander photo / video (BobsV35B@aol.com)
13. 01:52 PM - Re: Facebook page (cybersuperstore)
14. 02:24 PM - Re: Facebook page (Tom Fisher)
15. 02:31 PM - Re: Commander photo / video (cybersuperstore)
16. 04:27 PM - Re: Facebook page (cybersuperstore)
17. 06:39 PM - Re: 2010 Flyin (Peter Bichier)
18. 07:01 PM - Re: Re: 2010 Flyin (Jack B. Mills)
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| Subject: | Re: Commander photo / video |
Good Morning Wing Commander Gordon,
It is nice that the Presidential Commander is being given a home where it
can be viewed, but it is sad that the article which described the move has
so many inaccuracies. Sure is odd that anyone is so uninformed that they
will look at propellors and still call an airplane a jet.
It would be nice if someone had mentioned that Ike was the first (only?) US
president who held a civilian pilot certificate.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 12/4/2010 11:14:59 P.M. Central Standard Time,
cloudcraft@aol.com writes:
Sir Barry & All,
Whilst researching something entirely unrelated, I stumbled onto this web
site regarding moving "Air Force One."
I bet there are some people here who can add some real information about
this aircraft.
http://www.thekathrynreport.com/2010/04/retired-air-force-one-plane-will-be-
on_18.html
Keith S. Gordon
(aka Wing Commander Gordon)
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
NBAA Access Committee
Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
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| Subject: | Re: Commander photo / video |
OOOPS!
One more error in the article.
It said: =9CThis is the first twin-engine airplane that any preside
nt ever
flew in.=9D
Not sure about any other president (Teddy Roosevelt did fly in a single
engine airplane while he was President) but Ike flew to Camp David and
probably to Gettysburg in a Twin Bonanza before he got the Commander. The
T-Bone
was replaced with the Commander after Ike's wife slipped on the boarding
step of the original T-Bone.
The Commander was acquired to get rid of that three step access bar.
Unfortunately, she still refused to fly in "those small airplanes" so the
Commander did not get as much use as it might have had Mamie not slipped
on
the T-Bone step.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 12/5/2010 5:59:22 A.M. Central Standard Time,
BobsV35B@aol.com writes:
http://www.thekathrynreport.com/2010/04/retired-air-force-one-plane-will-b
e-
on_18.html
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| Subject: | Commander photo / video |
Hi Keith,
I think all will be revealed in the not-too-distant future!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith S.
Gordon
Sent: 05 December 2010 02:15
Subject: Commander-List: Commander photo / video
Sir Barry & All,
Whilst researching something entirely unrelated, I stumbled onto this web
site regarding moving "Air Force One."
I bet there are some people here who can add some real information about
this aircraft.
http://www.thekathrynreport.com/2010/04/retired-air-force-one-plane-will-be-
on_18.html
Keith S. Gordon
(aka Wing Commander Gordon)
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
NBAA Access Committee
Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
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| Subject: | Re: Commander photo / video |
Good Morning All,
The 680 that was used by President Eisenhower while president was at a museu
m in Patterson La, PTN. Hurricane Katrina did severe damage to the building
and it had to be torn down. A new building was constructed a few miles awa
y. I'm unclear wether it was a money issue or a room issue, but whatever th
e case, it was given to a new museum in Houma, La HUM. It was transported b
y barge to it's new home.
Bert
On Dec 5, 2010, at 7:39 AM, "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk
> wrote:
> Hi Keith,
>
>
>
> I think all will be revealed in the not-too-distant future!
>
>
>
> Very Best Regards,
>
> Barry
>
>
>
> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith S. Gordon
> Sent: 05 December 2010 02:15
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Commander photo / video
>
>
>
> Sir Barry & All,
>
> Whilst researching something entirely unrelated, I stumbled onto this web s
ite regarding moving "Air Force One."
>
> I bet there are some people here who can add some real information about t
his aircraft.
>
> http://www.thekathrynreport.com/2010/04/retired-air-force-one-plane-will-b
e-on_18.html
>
>
>
> Keith S. Gordon
> (aka Wing Commander Gordon)
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
> NBAA Access Committee
> Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
> Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep
> Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
>
>
>
> www.aeroelectric.com
> www.buildersbooks.com
> www.homebuilthelp.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Commander photo / video |
The 680 used by Ike was only the first official designated Commander. The
air force had a fleet of some 15 Aero Commanders, (560A & 560A-HC), L26-A &
L26-B. One of the fleet, which is now N382JH was based at Livermore, Ca. It
was acquired for a customer from the former owner John Hoffman, Stuart, Fl.
by Commander Services. The air force bureau #'s are still stencilled on all
engine cowlings. A friend who was a retired air force officer, was in
Hayward one day when N382JH was there for maintenance, & saw the numbers on
an engine cowling. He remarked that he had flown Ike & Mamie in that
airplane, & later faxed a copy of his log book entry with the air force
number, along with the notation in remarks, "Ike & Mamie, Camp David" . I
participated in the ceremony at Wright-Patterson of the presentation of the
first 680 "air Force One" The airplane was restored & donated by JW Duff
Aircraft, Denver, Co. The Presidential seal could not be affixed to the
airplane for the flight. It was placed on the aircraft during the
presentation. Just a little Commander history from Morris Kernick, Commander
Services
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 3:55 AM, <BobsV35B@aol.com> wrote:
> Good Morning Wing Commander Gordon,
>
> It is nice that the Presidential Commander is being given a home where it
> can be viewed, but it is sad that the article which described the move has
> so many inaccuracies. Sure is odd that anyone is so uninformed that they
> will look at propellors and still call an airplane a jet.
>
> It would be nice if someone had mentioned that Ike was the first (only?) US
> president who held a civilian pilot certificate.
>
> Happy Skies,
>
> Old Bob
>
> In a message dated 12/4/2010 11:14:59 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> cloudcraft@aol.com writes:
>
> *Sir Barry & All,
>
> Whilst researching something entirely unrelated, I stumbled onto this web
> site regarding moving "Air Force One."
>
> I bet there are some people here who can add some real information about
> this aircraft.
>
>
> http://www.thekathrynreport.com/2010/04/retired-air-force-one-plane-will-be-on_18.html
> *
>
> Keith S. Gordon
> (aka Wing Commander Gordon)
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
> NBAA Access Committee*
> *Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
> Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep
> Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
>
> *
>
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> "http://www.homebuilthelp.com/">www.homebuilthelp.com
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| Subject: | Re: Commander photo / video |
Good Afternoon Morris,
Are you sure it was the first one? I note that the article stated it was a
1956 model and Ike was using the Commander long before that. My guess was
that the Mamie incident happened in 1953.
She must have relented as my informants said that she would not ride in
any small airplane after skinning her shin climbing up that T-Bone series of
steps. If you have ever seen the abominable translating set of stairs that
Beech used on the D50C T-Bone, you might have also heard that the Beech
factory workers had nicknamed those the Mamie Eisenhower stairs because they
were developed following the injury she received
I kinda think the first presidential Commander was a 520.
I also have been told the T-Bone was an Army airplane, not an Air Force
one. No idea as to who supplied the Commander.
A disaster for Beechcraft, but the greatest boon Aero Commander ever
experienced.
Once the Commander became the official Presidential airplane, sales
increased dramatically.
My recollection is that the strip at Camp David measured right at 1600
feet. So much for accelerate/stop calculations!
Seemed OK to me as I was flying both an early 520 and an early T-Bone at
that time and I did operate both on occasion from a 1600 foot strip, but only
at very light weights.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
PS I said earlier that Teddy Roosevelt flew in a Wright while he was
President. I read later this morning that he did that after he had retired from
the Presidency. In any case, that WAS before my time!
In a message dated 12/5/2010 11:36:05 A.M. Central Standard Time,
comserv500s@gmail.com writes:
The 680 used by Ike was only the first official designated Commander. The
air force had a fleet of some 15 Aero Commanders, (560A & 560A-HC), L26-A &
L26-B. One of the fleet, which is now N382JH was based at Livermore, Ca.
It was acquired for a customer from the former owner John Hoffman, Stuart,
Fl. by Commander Services. The air force bureau #'s are still stencilled on
all engine cowlings. A friend who was a retired air force officer, was in
Hayward one day when N382JH was there for maintenance, & saw the numbers on
an engine cowling. He remarked that he had flown Ike & Mamie in that
airplane, & later faxed a copy of his log book entry with the air force number,
along with the notation in remarks, "Ike & Mamie, Camp David" . I
participated in the ceremony at Wright-Patterson of the presentation of the first
680 "air Force One" The airplane was restored & donated by JW Duff Aircraft,
Denver, Co. The Presidential seal could not be affixed to the airplane for
the flight. It was placed on the aircraft during the presentation. Just a
little Commander history from Morris Kernick, Commander Services
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 3:55 AM, <_BobsV35B@aol.com_
(mailto:BobsV35B@aol.com) > wrote:
Good Morning Wing Commander Gordon,
It is nice that the Presidential Commander is being given a home where it
can be viewed, but it is sad that the article which described the move has
so many inaccuracies. Sure is odd that anyone is so uninformed that they
will look at propellors and still call an airplane a jet.
It would be nice if someone had mentioned that Ike was the first (only?)
US president who held a civilian pilot certificate.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
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| Subject: | Commander photo / video |
Hello Bob,
The first Commander used by Ike was a Model 560, which was leased from the
Factory pending delivery of the first of the 15 x 560A Models ordered by the
USAF.
The 560 was s/n 224, N2724B and was designated by the USAF as an L-26A.
The 560A Models were designated L-26B and after the last two in the order
for 15 were changed to Model 680, they were designated L-26C.
The US Army, however, did have 3 x Model 520, plus a few more later Models,
such as 680, 680E, a 680FLP & a 680W.
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BobsV35B@aol.com
Sent: 05 December 2010 19:00
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photo / video
Good Afternoon Morris,
Are you sure it was the first one? I note that the article stated it was a
1956 model and Ike was using the Commander long before that. My guess was
that the Mamie incident happened in 1953.
She must have relented as my informants said that she would not ride in any
small airplane after skinning her shin climbing up that T-Bone series of
steps. If you have ever seen the abominable translating set of stairs that
Beech used on the D50C T-Bone, you might have also heard that the Beech
factory workers had nicknamed those the Mamie Eisenhower stairs because they
were developed following the injury she received
I kinda think the first presidential Commander was a 520.
I also have been told the T-Bone was an Army airplane, not an Air Force one.
No idea as to who supplied the Commander.
A disaster for Beechcraft, but the greatest boon Aero Commander ever
experienced.
Once the Commander became the official Presidential airplane, sales
increased dramatically.
My recollection is that the strip at Camp David measured right at 1600 feet.
So much for accelerate/stop calculations!
Seemed OK to me as I was flying both an early 520 and an early T-Bone at
that time and I did operate both on occasion from a 1600 foot strip, but
only at very light weights.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
PS I said earlier that Teddy Roosevelt flew in a Wright while he was
President. I read later this morning that he did that after he had retired
from the Presidency. In any case, that WAS before my time!
In a message dated 12/5/2010 11:36:05 A.M. Central Standard Time,
comserv500s@gmail.com writes:
The 680 used by Ike was only the first official designated Commander. The
air force had a fleet of some 15 Aero Commanders, (560A & 560A-HC), L26-A &
L26-B. One of the fleet, which is now N382JH was based at Livermore, Ca. It
was acquired for a customer from the former owner John Hoffman, Stuart, Fl.
by Commander Services. The air force bureau #'s are still stencilled on all
engine cowlings. A friend who was a retired air force officer, was in
Hayward one day when N382JH was there for maintenance, & saw the numbers on
an engine cowling. He remarked that he had flown Ike & Mamie in that
airplane, & later faxed a copy of his log book entry with the air force
number, along with the notation in remarks, "Ike & Mamie, Camp David" . I
participated in the ceremony at Wright-Patterson of the presentation of the
first 680 "air Force One" The airplane was restored & donated by JW Duff
Aircraft, Denver, Co. The Presidential seal could not be affixed to the
airplane for the flight. It was placed on the aircraft during the
presentation. Just a little Commander history from Morris Kernick, Commander
Services
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 3:55 AM, <BobsV35B@aol.com> wrote:
Good Morning Wing Commander Gordon,
It is nice that the Presidential Commander is being given a home where it
can be viewed, but it is sad that the article which described the move has
so many inaccuracies. Sure is odd that anyone is so uninformed that they
will look at propellors and still call an airplane a jet.
It would be nice if someone had mentioned that Ike was the first (only?) US
president who held a civilian pilot certificate.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Commander photo / video |
Good Afternoon Barry,
Does that mean the Army flew Ike in the 520 or did he continue to use the
D50 T-Bone until he got the Commander and not take Mamie along?
I had heard she took a limousine to Camp David after the T-Bone incident.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 12/5/2010 1:38:10 P.M. Central Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
Hello Bob,
The first Commander used by Ike was a Model 560, which was leased from the
Factory pending delivery of the first of the 15 x 560A Models ordered by
the USAF.
The 560 was s/n 224, N2724B and was designated by the USAF as an L-26A.
The 560A Models were designated L-26B and after the last two in the order
for 15 were changed to Model 680, they were designated L-26C.
The US Army, however, did have 3 x Model 520, plus a few more later
Models, such as 680, 680E, a 680FLP & a 680W.
Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | Commander photo / video |
Hi Bob,
No, the Army would not have flown Ike in one of the 520's.
I've not heard that Ike used a D50 before!
All the references I've seen quote the Commander as being the first
twin-engined aircraft considered safe enough for Presidential use.
The D-50 was designated as the L-23 for the US Army. Did the USAF actually
have any?
I ask because, in those days, I think US Army aviation was controlled by the
USAF and I think all Presidential flights were carried out by the USAF.
But then, my knowledge of matters military is not too good (the back of a
postage stamp scenario).
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BobsV35B@aol.com
Sent: 05 December 2010 19:54
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photo / video
Good Afternoon Barry,
Does that mean the Army flew Ike in the 520 or did he continue to use the
D50 T-Bone until he got the Commander and not take Mamie along?
I had heard she took a limousine to Camp David after the T-Bone incident.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 12/5/2010 1:38:10 P.M. Central Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
Hello Bob,
The first Commander used by Ike was a Model 560, which was leased from the
Factory pending delivery of the first of the 15 x 560A Models ordered by the
USAF.
The 560 was s/n 224, N2724B and was designated by the USAF as an L-26A.
The 560A Models were designated L-26B and after the last two in the order
for 15 were changed to Model 680, they were designated L-26C.
The US Army, however, did have 3 x Model 520, plus a few more later Models,
such as 680, 680E, a 680FLP & a 680W.
Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Commander photos |
The pressure system was entirely removed but as I no longer have the
logs I do not know when.
In addition to the 19" hole in the belly there is a 2' square hole cut
into the rear cabin bulkhead for some laser survey equipment it once had
installed.
The plane was bought by someone from the US, (I don't know if he wants
me to reveal his name at this point).
The plane is still sitting outside at the hanger I used without the
right prop, which I understand has been repaired.
The right gear strut is being held together by large straps until a new
one is put on, don't know the timing of it heading for the US.
I am hoping the new owner is going to buy the spare firewall forward 350
hour IO720 which is sitting in Florida and put it on the former GISS.
T...
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 12:21 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander photos
Hi Tom,
Was the pressurization system completely removed from your 680FLP,
effectively converting it to a 680FL?
Or, was the system just not used after the camera installations were
made?
If the system was removed, can you recall the date?
I see that it has had N680JW Assigned by the US FAA as a valid Import
since March.
Any news on what=99s going to happen to it?
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Fisher
Sent: 04 December 2010 16:06
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
Formally FL"P"
Tom...
----- Original Message -----
From: BillLeff1@aol.com
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
Oops, my mistake it is a Mr. RPM 680FLP
Bill Leff
Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless
-----Original message-----
From: Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget@telus.net>
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Fri, Dec 3, 2010 20:39:17 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photos
I thought Shrikes had eyebrow windows? Or did some earlier 500S
models come
out without them? Must be, if N560DR is a 500S.
I have 2 photos of Tom Fisher's late Commander, taken at the
Abbotsford
Airshow in 2008 & 2009. The 2008 one is attached. I will send the
2009 one
in a separate e-mail.
Regards,
Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Bichier"
To: ; "Barry Collman"
;
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:18 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Commander photos
> Hi Barry,
>
> I must admit it wasn't very clear to me either that you were
looking
> for MORE Commander pictures; granted I'm relatively "new" to this
> group... but HEY it's not too late. So I'll start the ball rolling
and
> all who are reading will follow how's that?
>
> First I have already shared the ones from my Dad's straight 560
#211
> (YV-T-ABE) I'm still looking for pictures of her when she was
> (YV-515P). If you two want those again, let me know.
>
> Here are two pictures of 1962 500A-B #1251-76 N37CK and 1968 500S
> #1817-23 N590DR taken both at St John's International Airport
(VI22)
> taken 10 March 2010. I tried to get closer, but the guard at the
gate
> told me since I was not embarking on a plane at the civilian side
I
> had no business in there... So I parked the car as close as I
could
> from the gate and took a picture from the roof of my rental (I can
> still see the guard waving at me asking WTF?)
>
> Doesn't seem that N37CK is going any where... where as N590DR had
just
> landed (you can see the shows of the pilot if you look closely).
>
> Let me know when you receive them Sir. Always a pleasure to hear
yours
> and everyone else's Commander stories,
>
> Peter
>
> PS. I am working on your other request as well.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Facebook page |
The green 500B was mine and you are missing the Canadian registration
C-FBCR.
I like the site.
Tom...
----- Original Message -----
From: cybersuperstore
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 8:49 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Facebook page
Folks,
I added another bunch of photographs to the Aero Commander Facebook
Page.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Aero-Commander/144424762275884
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If you find anything out of place or duplicated, or have suggestions
as how to arrange things, I welcome suggestions.
Thanks
Nico
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Good Evening Barry,
My betting knowledge is no better than yours. I am not even certain of the
time frame. The one thing that I will bet on is that the T-Bone was used
by
Eisenhower before the Aero Commander and that the T-Bone was dumped in
favor of the Aero Commander when Mamie skinned her shin. And that was
definitely after he was inaugurated
I received that information not only from Beechcraft sources, but from Arm
y
aviators of the era. I do believe there was some argument between the
services as to how Army aviation functions were to be handled. I also kno
w that
after Ike's election and before he was inaugurated, he was allowed to
visit Korea with Harry Truman's blessing to get a personal view of how th
ings
were going. That would have been in the late fall of 1952. While there,
he
was assigned a T-Bone and a pilot to fly him around the country.
Of that, there is no doubt.
Rumor has it that Ike did fly the airplane from the left seat on occasion.
He held a civilian pilots license at that time and was current in the
single engine Bonanza. I think we can all agree that the T-Bone is one of
the
most gentle airplanes ever. There is no way for me to substantiate whethe
r or
not Ike flew the T-Bone from the left seat as all official sources would
certainly have denied that fact if it did occur.
There was also considerable discussion that the main reason the Columbine
was a Connie instead of a DC-6 as was Harry's airplane (The Independence)
is because Rusty Draper had flown Eisenhower in a Connie when Ike was a
five
star General.
There was considerable rumor that Ike often flew the Connie from the left
seat. Once again, you can be sure that all officialdom would keep that
rather quiet.
If you were a General Of The Armies and an avid aviator, don't you think
you might try the left seat occasionally? <G>
Flying magazine had an article in the early sixties written by a military
pilot who claimed to have checked out Ike in a Stearman during his stint
on
MacArther's staff in the Philippines prior to WWII.. Said it wasn't quite
in compliance with Army regulations, but that Ike handled the Stearman ver
y
well and flew it solo often.
Lots of rumors out there, but I would say there is a very high probability
that some of them are true.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 12/5/2010 2:16:47 P.M. Central Standard Time,
barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes:
Hi Bob,
No, the Army would not have flown Ike in one of the 520=99s.
I've not heard that Ike used a D 50 before!
All the references I've seen quote the Commander as being the first
twin-engine aircraft considered safe enough for Presidential use.
The D-50 was designated as the L-23 for the US Army. Did the USAF actuall
y
have any?
I ask because, in those days, I think US Army aviation was controlled by
the USAF and I think all Presidential flights were carried out by the USA
F.
But then, my knowledge of matters military is not too good (the back of
a
postage stamp scenario).
Best Regards,
Barry
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Hi Tom.
Yes, I made reference to the fact that you lost that particular bird in the
ocean with some other precious things. I have the whole story and additional
pictures somewhere and will eventually come across it. I'll add the
registration to the pics.
Thanks
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Facebook page
The green 500B was mine and you are missing the Canadian registration
C-FBCR.
I like the site.
Tom...
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Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 8:49 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Facebook page
Folks,
I added another bunch of photographs to the Aero Commander Facebook Page.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Aero-Commander/144424762275884
Click on the Like This button to be notified when new stuff goes up.
If you find anything out of place or duplicated, or have suggestions as how
to arrange things, I welcome suggestions.
Thanks
Nico
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I would like to change some of that story now that I am better informed
but I understand that what is ever out there stays out there.
T...
----- Original Message -----
From: cybersuperstore
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:49 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Facebook page
Hi Tom.
Yes, I made reference to the fact that you lost that particular bird
in the ocean with some other precious things. I have the whole story and
additional pictures somewhere and will eventually come across it. I'll
add the registration to the pics.
Thanks
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Fisher
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:29 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Facebook page
The green 500B was mine and you are missing the Canadian registration
C-FBCR.
I like the site.
Tom...
----- Original Message -----
From: cybersuperstore
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 8:49 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Facebook page
Folks,
I added another bunch of photographs to the Aero Commander Facebook
Page.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Aero-Commander/144424762275884
Click on the Like This button to be notified when new stuff goes up.
If you find anything out of place or duplicated, or have suggestions
as how to arrange things, I welcome suggestions.
Thanks
Nico
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I saw the 'jet' reference, too. Typical journalism.
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BobsV35B@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 3:55 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander photo / video
Good Morning Wing Commander Gordon,
It is nice that the Presidential Commander is being given a home where it
can be viewed, but it is sad that the article which described the move has
so many inaccuracies. Sure is odd that anyone is so uninformed that they
will look at propellors and still call an airplane a jet.
It would be nice if someone had mentioned that Ike was the first (only?) US
president who held a civilian pilot certificate.
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
In a message dated 12/4/2010 11:14:59 P.M. Central Standard Time,
cloudcraft@aol.com writes:
Sir Barry & All,
Whilst researching something entirely unrelated, I stumbled onto this web
site regarding moving "Air Force One."
I bet there are some people here who can add some real information about
this aircraft.
http://www.thekathrynreport.com/2010/04/retired-air-force-one-plane-will-be-
on_18.html
Keith S. Gordon
(aka Wing Commander Gordon)
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
NBAA Access Committee
Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep
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Not necessarily. I'll send you the story to put in perspective before I put
it back on.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Facebook page
I would like to change some of that story now that I am better informed but
I understand that what is ever out there stays out there.
T...
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From: cybersuperstore <mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:49 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Facebook page
Hi Tom.
Yes, I made reference to the fact that you lost that particular bird in the
ocean with some other precious things. I have the whole story and additional
pictures somewhere and will eventually come across it. I'll add the
registration to the pics.
Thanks
Nico
_____
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Facebook page
The green 500B was mine and you are missing the Canadian registration
C-FBCR.
I like the site.
Tom...
----- Original Message -----
From: cybersuperstore <mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 8:49 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Facebook page
Folks,
I added another bunch of photographs to the Aero Commander Facebook Page.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Aero-Commander/144424762275884
Click on the Like This button to be notified when new stuff goes up.
If you find anything out of place or duplicated, or have suggestions as how
to arrange things, I welcome suggestions.
Thanks
Nico
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Sorry for the delay... but as I probably say every year... better late than never!
As usual I have loaded a selection of my pictures of this year's Fly In, you should
be able to download anything you want.
For those who have their doubts on these meetings, think again! it's mainly a great
source of information, you'll learn tips on how to maintain and fly a Commander
from a really fun group of people.
I sure have had a great time and will do it again!
hopefully, enjoy:
http://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/TCFG10select?feat=directlink
Morris, I have more pictures from the museum (some are here) but if you want to
see more, just let me know and I'll post a hole folder on those.
--------
560 Dreamer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322406#322406
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Peter,
Thanks so much for posting the photos. Regrettably, I was unable to attend,
so these were really enjoyable.
Moe Mills
N680RR
680Fp
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From: "Peter Bichier" <pbichie@UTNet.UToledo.Edu>
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 6:36 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Re: 2010 Flyin
> <pbichie@UTNet.UToledo.Edu>
>
> Sorry for the delay... but as I probably say every year... better late
> than never!
>
> As usual I have loaded a selection of my pictures of this year's Fly In,
> you should be able to download anything you want.
>
> For those who have their doubts on these meetings, think again! it's
> mainly a great source of information, you'll learn tips on how to maintain
> and fly a Commander from a really fun group of people.
>
> I sure have had a great time and will do it again!
>
> hopefully, enjoy:
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/YVABE560/TCFG10select?feat=directlink
>
> Morris, I have more pictures from the museum (some are here) but if you
> want to see more, just let me know and I'll post a hole folder on those.
>
> --------
> 560 Dreamer
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322406#322406
>
>
>
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