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1. 07:42 AM - Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires (swperk@earthlink.net)
2. 08:06 AM - Re: N6253X For Sale (Jack B. Mills)
3. 08:42 AM - Re: Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires (Barry Collman)
4. 02:55 PM - Re: Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires (swperk@earthlink.net)
5. 03:26 PM - Re: Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires (Barry Collman)
6. 03:46 PM - N500FV NTSB preliminary report (Peter Bichier)
7. 07:06 PM - Re: Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires (lloyd silverman)
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| Subject: | Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires |
Hi Barry,
You may already know about this one, but just to show that I also appreciate all
of the great work you do, I'd like to tell you about a Twin Commander I saw
yesterday at the International Airport in Buenos Aires.
Don't get too excited, because it looks like it's been there for a while, but I
saw it yesterday on the GA side of the airport, opposite where the airline terminal
is. My information is a bit vague because I could get no closer than a
half a mile or so to it.
Anyway, it looks to me like a 680T, V, W, or 681, because of what appeared to be
turbine-style exhausts and the shorter nacelle to fuselage distance. The plane
is beige with light blue striping, and is missing (at least) the rudder.
I took a few photos of it as we were taking off again, since I had a window seat
on the correct side of the airliner and we rotated just as we passed the Commander.
I'm still in Argentina, but will e-mail a few photos to you when I get
home next week. They're a little blurry, since I took them through several layers
of plexiglas while moving at 120 knots or so, but maybe you will find them
useful.
BTW, not much GA activity in Argentina, as far as I can tell. I've been to about
six airports here in my travels and, other than a few corporate-style jets,
I have seen only a Cessna 320 and an MU-2.
All for now!
Regards,
Stan
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| Subject: | Re: N6253X For Sale |
Randy,
When you have a few minutes give me a call. Due to insurance
requirements I need to get a non-pressurized Commander. Cell (310)
350-4594.
Regards
Moe Mills
N680RR
680Fp
From: Randy Dettmer, AIA
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:40 AM
Subject: Commander-List: N6253X For Sale
Fellow Commander Colleagues,
After 11 years of faithful service, I have decided to put N6253X up for
sale. Here are some quick specs:
1961 680F
Approx 4,000 hrs total time / 150 hours SMOH
Decent paint / good interior
Collins nav/coms, HSI, coupled GPS, C-3 Autopilot, etc.
Flown regularly - generally in very good shape
Asking $150,000.00
Pictures and more information to follow.
Randy Dettmer, AIA, NCARB
680f / N6253X
Dettmer Architecture
663 Hill Street
San Luis Obispo, CA 93405
805 541 4864 / Fax 805 541 4865
www.dettmerarchitecture.com
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| Subject: | Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires |
Hi Stan,
Such sightings are extremely helpful, especially when they are South of the border!
So, grateful thanks for taking the time and trouble to put finger to keyboard.
I think the one you saw is a 680V, s/n 1681-63, LV-OFX.
I have 4 shots of it parked in derelict condition.
No engines and, as you noted, no rudder.
I'll await your shots in order to compare them with those I have, but in the meantime you can see a shot of it on www.myaviation.net, taken on 01May08.
However, a later shot of it on airliners.net, taken on 09Mar10, reveals that it's
been moved and has been moved just outside the airport perimeter in order to
take part in a mock accident to test the response of emergency procedures.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of swperk@earthlink.net
Sent: 08 December 2010 15:39
Subject: Commander-List: Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires
Hi Barry,
You may already know about this one, but just to show that I also appreciate all
of the great work you do, I'd like to tell you about a Twin Commander I saw
yesterday at the International Airport in Buenos Aires.
Don't get too excited, because it looks like it's been there for a while, but I
saw it yesterday on the GA side of the airport, opposite where the airline terminal
is. My information is a bit vague because I could get no closer than a
half a mile or so to it.
Anyway, it looks to me like a 680T, V, W, or 681, because of what appeared to be
turbine-style exhausts and the shorter nacelle to fuselage distance. The plane
is beige with light blue striping, and is missing (at least) the rudder.
I took a few photos of it as we were taking off again, since I had a window seat
on the correct side of the airliner and we rotated just as we passed the Commander.
I'm still in Argentina, but will e-mail a few photos to you when I get
home next week. They're a little blurry, since I took them through several layers
of plexiglas while moving at 120 knots or so, but maybe you will find them
useful.
BTW, not much GA activity in Argentina, as far as I can tell. I've been to about
six airports here in my travels and, other than a few corporate-style jets,
I have seen only a Cessna 320 and an MU-2.
All for now!
Regards,
Stan
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| Subject: | Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires |
Hi Barry,
The photos on both sites are consistent with what I saw in person. The photo on
myaviation.net shows that the right engine and prop are still in place. I didnt
get a good enough look at it to see whether it was still there the other day.
The plane is definitely still on the airport grounds, parked with its tail
towards the runway.
Anyway, Ill be forwarding a few photos to you next week when I'm back home.
Regards,
Stan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>Sent: Dec 8, 2010 1:39 PM
>To: commander-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires
>
>
>Hi Stan,
>
>Such sightings are extremely helpful, especially when they are South of the border!
>So, grateful thanks for taking the time and trouble to put finger to keyboard.
>
>I think the one you saw is a 680V, s/n 1681-63, LV-OFX.
>I have 4 shots of it parked in derelict condition.
>No engines and, as you noted, no rudder.
>
>I'll await your shots in order to compare them with those I have, but in the meantime you can see a shot of it on www.myaviation.net, taken on 01May08.
>However, a later shot of it on airliners.net, taken on 09Mar10, reveals that it's
been moved and has been moved just outside the airport perimeter in order
to take part in a mock accident to test the response of emergency procedures.
>
>Very Best Regards,
>Barry
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of swperk@earthlink.net
>Sent: 08 December 2010 15:39
>To: commander-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Commander-List: Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires
>
>
>Hi Barry,
>
>You may already know about this one, but just to show that I also appreciate all
of the great work you do, I'd like to tell you about a Twin Commander I saw
yesterday at the International Airport in Buenos Aires.
>
>Don't get too excited, because it looks like it's been there for a while, but
I saw it yesterday on the GA side of the airport, opposite where the airline terminal
is. My information is a bit vague because I could get no closer than a
half a mile or so to it.
>
>Anyway, it looks to me like a 680T, V, W, or 681, because of what appeared to
be turbine-style exhausts and the shorter nacelle to fuselage distance. The plane
is beige with light blue striping, and is missing (at least) the rudder.
>
>I took a few photos of it as we were taking off again, since I had a window seat
on the correct side of the airliner and we rotated just as we passed the Commander.
I'm still in Argentina, but will e-mail a few photos to you when I get
home next week. They're a little blurry, since I took them through several layers
of plexiglas while moving at 120 knots or so, but maybe you will find them
useful.
>
>BTW, not much GA activity in Argentina, as far as I can tell. I've been to about
six airports here in my travels and, other than a few corporate-style jets,
I have seen only a Cessna 320 and an MU-2.
>
>All for now!
>
>Regards,
>Stan
>
>
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| Subject: | Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires |
Hi Stan,
OK - grateful thanks!
Very Best Regards,
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of swperk@earthlink.net
Sent: 08 December 2010 22:53
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires
Hi Barry,
The photos on both sites are consistent with what I saw in person. The photo on
myaviation.net shows that the right engine and prop are still in place. I didnt
get a good enough look at it to see whether it was still there the other day.
The plane is definitely still on the airport grounds, parked with its tail
towards the runway.
Anyway, Ill be forwarding a few photos to you next week when I'm back home.
Regards,
Stan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>Sent: Dec 8, 2010 1:39 PM
>To: commander-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires
>
>--> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
>
>Hi Stan,
>
>Such sightings are extremely helpful, especially when they are South of the border!
>So, grateful thanks for taking the time and trouble to put finger to keyboard.
>
>I think the one you saw is a 680V, s/n 1681-63, LV-OFX.
>I have 4 shots of it parked in derelict condition.
>No engines and, as you noted, no rudder.
>
>I'll await your shots in order to compare them with those I have, but in the meantime you can see a shot of it on www.myaviation.net, taken on 01May08.
>However, a later shot of it on airliners.net, taken on 09Mar10, reveals that it's
been moved and has been moved just outside the airport perimeter in order
to take part in a mock accident to test the response of emergency procedures.
>
>Very Best Regards,
>Barry
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>swperk@earthlink.net
>Sent: 08 December 2010 15:39
>To: commander-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Commander-List: Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires
>
>
>Hi Barry,
>
>You may already know about this one, but just to show that I also appreciate all
of the great work you do, I'd like to tell you about a Twin Commander I saw
yesterday at the International Airport in Buenos Aires.
>
>Don't get too excited, because it looks like it's been there for a while, but
I saw it yesterday on the GA side of the airport, opposite where the airline terminal
is. My information is a bit vague because I could get no closer than a
half a mile or so to it.
>
>Anyway, it looks to me like a 680T, V, W, or 681, because of what appeared to
be turbine-style exhausts and the shorter nacelle to fuselage distance. The plane
is beige with light blue striping, and is missing (at least) the rudder.
>
>I took a few photos of it as we were taking off again, since I had a window seat
on the correct side of the airliner and we rotated just as we passed the Commander.
I'm still in Argentina, but will e-mail a few photos to you when I get
home next week. They're a little blurry, since I took them through several layers
of plexiglas while moving at 120 knots or so, but maybe you will find them
useful.
>
>BTW, not much GA activity in Argentina, as far as I can tell. I've been to about
six airports here in my travels and, other than a few corporate-style jets,
I have seen only a Cessna 320 and an MU-2.
>
>All for now!
>
>Regards,
>Stan
>
>
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| Subject: | N500FV NTSB preliminary report |
I know you guys mentioned this accident before, here is the NTSB preliminary report.
What could have caused a section of the wing to break apart? is that a case
where the pilot was trying to control too much the plane? ie too much "hard
hand" on the yoke? Is that a case where avoiding some storms is a must even
in a Commander?
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 100811X32223&key=1
NTSB Identification: WPR10FA397
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Wednesday, August 11, 2010 in Burns, OR
Aircraft: AERO COMMANDER 500-B, registration: N500FV
Injuries: 2 Fatal.
This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any
errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.
On August 11, 2010, about 0855 Pacific daylight time, an Aero Commander 500B, N500FV,
impacted the terrain about 80 miles south of Burns, Oregon. The private
pilot and his passenger were killed, and the airplane sustained substantial damage.
The 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 91 visual flight rules (VFR) flight,
which departed Redding Municipal Airport, Redding California, at an as of
yet undetermined time, was en route to Pocatello, Idaho. The accident took place
in a area where thunderstorms, lightning, and rain were reported. No flight
plan had been filed, but the pilot was receiving radar flight following from
Air Route Traffic Control (ARTC).
According to witnesses in the area, the airplane could be heard overhead, but could
not be seen because of the solid overcast and the rain that was falling.
The witnesses reported that the airplane sounded normal at first, but then the
sounds coming from the engines became similar to those that they had heard from
an "airplane doing aerobatics." Soon thereafter, the airplane was seen descending
steeply out of the clouds with about one-third of the left wing missing.
The airplane impacted the terrain in a near vertical attitude.
The portion of the left wing that had separated was located about one-half mile
from the rest of the wreckage. The airplane has been recovered, and will undergo
further inspection and analysis.
--------
560 Dreamer
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=322703#322703
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| Subject: | Re: Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires |
BARRY, SEE WHAT INFO YOU HAVE ON A 680 N6851S. I'LL EMAIL A LONG
STORY,HOWEVER IT'S BONES SHOULD BE IN COLOMBIA.THANKS,LLOYD (500B
N6290X).
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:39 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>>
Hi Stan,
Such sightings are extremely helpful, especially when they are South
of the border!
So, grateful thanks for taking the time and trouble to put finger to
keyboard.
I think the one you saw is a 680V, s/n 1681-63, LV-OFX.
I have 4 shots of it parked in derelict condition.
No engines and, as you noted, no rudder.
I'll await your shots in order to compare them with those I have, but
in the meantime you can see a shot of it on
www.myaviation.net<http://www.myaviation.net/>, taken on 01May08.
However, a later shot of it on airliners.net, taken on 09Mar10,
reveals that it's been moved and has been moved just outside the airport
perimeter in order to take part in a mock accident to test the response
of emergency procedures.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From:
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ver@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of swperk@earthlink.net<mailto:swperk@earthlink.net>
Sent: 08 December 2010 15:39
To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires
swperk@earthlink.net<mailto:swperk@earthlink.net>
Hi Barry,
You may already know about this one, but just to show that I also
appreciate all of the great work you do, I'd like to tell you about a
Twin Commander I saw yesterday at the International Airport in Buenos
Aires.
Don't get too excited, because it looks like it's been there for a
while, but I saw it yesterday on the GA side of the airport, opposite
where the airline terminal is. My information is a bit vague because I
could get no closer than a half a mile or so to it.
Anyway, it looks to me like a 680T, V, W, or 681, because of what
appeared to be turbine-style exhausts and the shorter nacelle to
fuselage distance. The plane is beige with light blue striping, and is
missing (at least) the rudder.
I took a few photos of it as we were taking off again, since I had a
window seat on the correct side of the airliner and we rotated just as
we passed the Commander. I'm still in Argentina, but will e-mail a few
photos to you when I get home next week. They're a little blurry, since
I took them through several layers of plexiglas while moving at 120
knots or so, but maybe you will find them useful.
BTW, not much GA activity in Argentina, as far as I can tell. I've
been to about six airports here in my travels and, other than a few
corporate-style jets, I have seen only a Cessna 320 and an MU-2.
All for now!
Regards,
Stan
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