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1. 04:53 AM - Re: N500FV NTSB preliminary report (Barry Collman)
2. 05:09 AM - Re: aerocommander.com email addresses (White_rhino_ps)
3. 05:40 AM - Re: 1975 500S in Tehran, Iran for sale (Barry Collman)
4. 05:49 AM - Re: Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires (Barry Collman)
5. 08:09 PM - Re: Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires (lloyd silverman)
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Subject: | N500FV NTSB preliminary report |
Hi Peter,
I'm not an accident investigator, so cannot comment in a definitive manner,
of course!
On the face of it, this seems to be a classic case of the aircraft exceeding
the design stress limits.
This could be because of excessive use of the controls, but other factors
could be brought into play.
The link you provided is "preliminary information, subject to change, and
may contain errors".
Therefore, it's best to wait for the definitive Report to be published by
the NTSB.
In the past, a 'big thing' has been made of such accidents in the press and
led to the Commanders getting a bad reputation for in-flight breakups.
However, virtually all the accident reports that I've seen end up with the
expression "exceeded the design stress limits of the aircraft" or similar.
Best Regards,
Barry
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Bichier
Sent: 08 December 2010 23:45
Subject: Commander-List: N500FV NTSB preliminary report
--> <pbichie@UTNet.UToledo.Edu>
I know you guys mentioned this accident before, here is the NTSB preliminary
report. What could have caused a section of the wing to break apart? is that
a case where the pilot was trying to control too much the plane? ie too much
"hard hand" on the yoke? Is that a case where avoiding some storms is a must
even in a Commander?
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 100811X32223&key=1
NTSB Identification: WPR10FA397
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Wednesday, August 11, 2010 in Burns, OR
Aircraft: AERO COMMANDER 500-B, registration: N500FV
Injuries: 2 Fatal.
This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors.
Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been
completed.
On August 11, 2010, about 0855 Pacific daylight time, an Aero Commander
500B, N500FV, impacted the terrain about 80 miles south of Burns, Oregon.
The private pilot and his passenger were killed, and the airplane sustained
substantial damage. The 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 91 visual flight
rules (VFR) flight, which departed Redding Municipal Airport, Redding
California, at an as of yet undetermined time, was en route to Pocatello,
Idaho. The accident took place in a area where thunderstorms, lightning, and
rain were reported. No flight plan had been filed, but the pilot was
receiving radar flight following from Air Route Traffic Control (ARTC).
According to witnesses in the area, the airplane could be heard overhead,
but could not be seen because of the solid overcast and the rain that was
falling. The witnesses reported that the airplane sounded normal at first,
but then the sounds coming from the engines became similar to those that
they had heard from an "airplane doing aerobatics." Soon thereafter, the
airplane was seen descending steeply out of the clouds with about one-third
of the left wing missing. The airplane impacted the terrain in a near
vertical attitude.
The portion of the left wing that had separated was located about one-half
mile from the rest of the wreckage. The airplane has been recovered, and
will undergo further inspection and analysis.
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560 Dreamer
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Subject: | Re: aerocommander.com email addresses |
Sounds good. What is the send/receive setup info?
=46rom my iPhone 4!
On Dec 9, 2010, at 9:15 PM, "cybersuperstore" <nico@cybersuperstore.com> wro
te:
> Hi Craig. Just to be sure it's N747H@aerocommander.com that you want?
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> From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig kennedy
> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 7:06 PM
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: aerocommander.com email addresses
>
> Outstanding! What a great URL. Can I ask for N747H? Yes, I know I've ha
d other Commanders....
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> From: cybersuperstore <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thu, December 9, 2010 3:17:19 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: aerocommander.com email addresses
>
> If any member would like an aerocommander.com email address, just let me k
now.
> Only "nico" has been taken and addresses like webmaster, administrator etc
. cannot be allowed.
> Thanks
> Nico
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> PS.
> I should have changed the subject line. Sorry about that.
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Subject: | 1975 500S in Tehran, Iran for sale |
Hi Tylor,
Thanks for the "heads-up".
This Shrike has evidently been advertised for sale since at least November
2009.
Ownership details are not easily obtained for Iran!
All I know is that s/n 3236 was delivered in September 1975 to the Air Taxi
Company, in Tehran.
They were the factory distributor for Iran and other surrounding Countries,
but also operated quite a number of Commander over the years.
I then know that, by March 1977 it was with an "M. Alam" in Tehran.
Whether or he's "famous" I have no idea.
However, I'll make enquiries of a fairly new contact I've got in Iran and
see if he can add any further info.
Best Regards,
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor Hall
Sent: 10 December 2010 00:33
Subject: Commander-List: 1975 500S in Tehran, Iran for sale
Barry,
http://aviationclassifieds.com/maincatad-2-Multi%2BEngine+Aircraft
There are two new photos of an airplane that may not have been heard from in
a long time?
Who would the "Famous Owner" Be???
Tylor Hall
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Subject: | Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires |
Hi Lloyd,
I sent an email to you yesterday with some attached files.
I presume it got to you OK?
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lloyd
silverman
Sent: 10 December 2010 03:21
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires
barry, my direct email address is LLOYDSSS11@MSN.COM Thanks for
your great work.
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman <mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 7:15 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires
Hi Lloyd,
Its bones should indeed be in Colombia and I see that you were a joint
owner of N6851S sometime before it went to Colombia.
I=99m going to email you an .xls file showing what I have on its
history and will certainly look forward to learning =9Ca long
story=9D!
Best Regards,
Barry
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of lloyd
silverman
Sent: 09 December 2010 01:32
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires
BARRY, SEE WHAT INFO YOU HAVE ON A 680 N6851S. I'LL EMAIL A LONG
STORY,HOWEVER IT'S BONES SHOULD BE IN COLOMBIA.THANKS,LLOYD (500B
N6290X).
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman <mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:39 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Stan,
Such sightings are extremely helpful, especially when they are South of
the border!
So, grateful thanks for taking the time and trouble to put finger to
keyboard.
I think the one you saw is a 680V, s/n 1681-63, LV-OFX.
I have 4 shots of it parked in derelict condition.
No engines and, as you noted, no rudder.
I'll await your shots in order to compare them with those I have, but in
the meantime you can see a shot of it on www.myaviation.net, taken on
01May08.
However, a later shot of it on airliners.net, taken on 09Mar10, reveals
that it's been moved and has been moved just outside the airport
perimeter in order to take part in a mock accident to test the response
of emergency procedures.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
swperk@earthlink.net
Sent: 08 December 2010 15:39
Subject: Commander-List: Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires
Hi Barry,
You may already know about this one, but just to show that I also
appreciate all of the great work you do, I'd like to tell you about a
Twin Commander I saw yesterday at the International Airport in Buenos
Aires.
Don't get too excited, because it looks like it's been there for a
while, but I saw it yesterday on the GA side of the airport, opposite
where the airline terminal is. My information is a bit vague because I
could get no closer than a half a mile or so to it.
Anyway, it looks to me like a 680T, V, W, or 681, because of what
appeared to be turbine-style exhausts and the shorter nacelle to
fuselage distance. The plane is beige with light blue striping, and is
missing (at least) the rudder.
I took a few photos of it as we were taking off again, since I had a
window seat on the correct side of the airliner and we rotated just as
we passed the Commander. I'm still in Argentina, but will e-mail a few
photos to you when I get home next week. They're a little blurry, since
I took them through several layers of plexiglas while moving at 120
knots or so, but maybe you will find them useful.
BTW, not much GA activity in Argentina, as far as I can tell. I've been
to about six airports here in my travels and, other than a few
corporate-style jets, I have seen only a Cessna 320 and an MU-2.
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Subject: | Re: Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires |
Barry, I rec'd them all .Great pix. I have no idea when it go the nose
job. Will send tale of how it got into the Colombian navy while I'm
still listed as one of the owners by UNCLE SAM (F.A.A.). Many thanks for
your great work. I never thought id see pix of n6851S again. Lloyd
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:45 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires
Hi Lloyd,
I sent an email to you yesterday with some attached files.
I presume it got to you OK?
Best Regards,
Barry
From:
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ver@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of lloyd silverman
Sent: 10 December 2010 03:21
To: commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires
barry, my direct email address is
LLOYDSSS11@MSN.COM<mailto:LLOYDSSS11@MSN.COM> Thanks for your great
work.
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
To:
commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 7:15 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires
Hi Lloyd,
Its bones should indeed be in Colombia and I see that you were a
joint owner of N6851S sometime before it went to Colombia.
I=99m going to email you an .xls file showing what I have on
its history and will certainly look forward to learning =9Ca long
story=9D!
Best Regards,
Barry
From:
owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-commander-list-ser
ver@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of lloyd silverman
Sent: 09 December 2010 01:32
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires
BARRY, SEE WHAT INFO YOU HAVE ON A 680 N6851S. I'LL EMAIL A LONG
STORY,HOWEVER IT'S BONES SHOULD BE IN COLOMBIA.THANKS,LLOYD (500B
N6290X).
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Collman<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
To:
commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 11:39 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires
<barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk<mailto:barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>>
Hi Stan,
Such sightings are extremely helpful, especially when they are
South of the border!
So, grateful thanks for taking the time and trouble to put finger
to keyboard.
I think the one you saw is a 680V, s/n 1681-63, LV-OFX.
I have 4 shots of it parked in derelict condition.
No engines and, as you noted, no rudder.
I'll await your shots in order to compare them with those I have,
but in the meantime you can see a shot of it on
www.myaviation.net<http://www.myaviation.net/>, taken on 01May08.
However, a later shot of it on airliners.net, taken on 09Mar10,
reveals that it's been moved and has been moved just outside the airport
perimeter in order to take part in a mock accident to test the response
of emergency procedures.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From:
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ver@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of swperk@earthlink.net<mailto:swperk@earthlink.net>
Sent: 08 December 2010 15:39
To:
commander-list@matronics.com<mailto:commander-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Commander Sighting in Buenos Aires
swperk@earthlink.net<mailto:swperk@earthlink.net>
Hi Barry,
You may already know about this one, but just to show that I also
appreciate all of the great work you do, I'd like to tell you about a
Twin Commander I saw yesterday at the International Airport in Buenos
Aires.
Don't get too excited, because it looks like it's been there for a
while, but I saw it yesterday on the GA side of the airport, opposite
where the airline terminal is. My information is a bit vague because I
could get no closer than a half a mile or so to it.
Anyway, it looks to me like a 680T, V, W, or 681, because of what
appeared to be turbine-style exhausts and the shorter nacelle to
fuselage distance. The plane is beige with light blue striping, and is
missing (at least) the rudder.
I took a few photos of it as we were taking off again, since I had
a window seat on the correct side of the airliner and we rotated just as
we passed the Commander. I'm still in Argentina, but will e-mail a few
photos to you when I get home next week. They're a little blurry, since
I took them through several layers of plexiglas while moving at 120
knots or so, but maybe you will find them useful.
BTW, not much GA activity in Argentina, as far as I can tell. I've
been to about six airports here in my travels and, other than a few
corporate-style jets, I have seen only a Cessna 320 and an MU-2.
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