Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:11 PM - Re: Facebook page (Jack B. Mills)
2. 01:11 PM - Re: Commander Spotting KGRR (Jack B. Mills)
3. 01:55 PM - Re: Facebook page (sr14572@yahoo.com)
4. 02:25 PM - Re: Rare Placard (cybersuperstore)
5. 03:33 PM - Re: Rare Placard (dongirod)
6. 03:52 PM - Re: Rare Placard (BobsV35B@aol.com)
7. 04:23 PM - Re: Facebook page (Tom Fisher)
8. 05:59 PM - 680FP (Dan Farmer)
9. 07:50 PM - Re: Rare Placard (dongirod)
10. 08:48 PM - Re: Air Force One Commander (cybersuperstore)
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| Subject: | Re: Facebook page |
Gary,
Your greeting begs the question "what do you normally do with your
iPhone?
Moe Mills
N680RR
680Fp
From: Gary Wilson
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Facebook page
Nice pussy lips
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 12, 2010, at 12:13 AM, "cybersuperstore"
<nico@cybersuperstore.com> wrote:
Tom
Do you have an email adres to which I can send it off the list?
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Fisher
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 2:21 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Facebook page
I would like to change some of that story now that I am better
informed but I understand that what is ever out there stays out there.
T...
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From: cybersuperstore
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:49 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Facebook page
Hi Tom.
Yes, I made reference to the fact that you lost that particular bird
in the ocean with some other precious things. I have the whole story and
additional pictures somewhere and will eventually come across it. I'll
add the registration to the pics.
Thanks
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Fisher
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:29 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Facebook page
The green 500B was mine and you are missing the Canadian
registration C-FBCR.
I like the site.
Tom...
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From: cybersuperstore
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 8:49 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Facebook page
Folks,
I added another bunch of photographs to the Aero Commander
Facebook Page.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Aero-Commander/144424762275884
Click on the Like This button to be notified when new stuff goes
up.
If you find anything out of place or duplicated, or have
suggestions as how to arrange things, I welcome suggestions.
Thanks
Nico
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| Subject: | Re: Commander Spotting KGRR |
Hmmmmm, cameras in the GPS, something more to be cautious of, and my
greatest fear has been the guy in my gym locker room who always seems to
be on his cell phone.
Moe
N680RR
680Fp
From: Keith S. Gordon
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander Spotting KGRR
Photography using a Garmin 550t GPS?
What on earth will be next I ask!?!
I know. It's getting ridiculous. Cameras are built into everything now.
Maybe that's good, but I have my concerns!
Knowing you as I do, I made the data plates a priority. Too bad the
lighting was so flat and dim in the gray overcast yesterday. My digital
camera (that has a built in camera) is on the charger and will go into
my flight bag for the next trip.
Best,
Wing Commander Gordon
Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
NBAA Access Committee
Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep
Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Sent: Sat, Dec 11, 2010 12:13 pm
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander Spotting KGRR
Hi Keith,
I=99m really grateful to you for the shots of two of
John=99s Commanders, especially the s/n plates as I=99m
trying to build up a collection of these in order to get the
Manufacturer=99s Aircraft Association=99s 6-digit s/n plate
numbers.
Photography using a Garmin 550t GPS?
What on earth will be next I ask!?!
Really great to hear from you again.
Very Best Regards,
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Facebook page |
hahaha, it was an email from my nephew, and I forwarded to all my perverted
=0Abuddies.- only, i didnt check the list when I sent it.- Only notice
d it after I =0Asent it.- Believe me, I was embarrased.-- =0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jack B. Mills <moe-rosspi
stons@hotmail.com>=0ATo: commander-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sun, December
12, 2010 4:35:34 PM=0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Facebook page=0A=0A=0AG
ary,=0A-=0AYour greeting begs the question "what do you normally do with
your iPhone?=0A-=0AMoe Mills=0AN680RR=0A680Fp=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: Gary Wilso
n =0ASent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 9:51 PM=0ATo: commander-list@matroni
cs.com =0ASubject: Re: Commander-List: Facebook page=0A=0ANice pussy lips
=0A=0ASent from my iPhone=0A=0AOn Dec 12, 2010, at 12:13 AM, "cybersupersto
re" <nico@cybersuperstore.com> =0Awrote:=0A=0A=0ATom=0A>Do you have an emai
l adres to which I can send it off the list?=0A>Nico=0A>-=0A>=0A>=0A_____
___________________________=0AFrom: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.c
om =0A[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom F
isher=0A>Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 2:21 PM=0A>To: commander-list@matr
onics.com=0A>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Facebook page=0A>=0A>=0A>I would
like to change some of that story now that I am better informed but I =0A>u
nderstand that what is ever out there stays out there.=0A>T...=0A>----- Ori
ginal Message ----- =0A>>From: cybersuperstore =0A>>To: commander-list@matr
onics.com =0A>>Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:49 PM=0A>>Subject: RE: Com
mander-List: Facebook page=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Hi Tom. =0A>>Yes, I made reference
to the fact that you lost that particular bird in the =0A>>ocean with some
other precious things. I have the whole story and additional =0A>>pictures
somewhere and will-eventually come across it. I'll add the registration
=0A>>to the pics. =0A>>=0A>>Thanks=0A>>Nico=0A>>-=0A>>=0A>>=0A___________
_____________________=0AFrom: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com =0A
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher
=0A>>Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:29 PM=0A>>To: commander-list@matroni
cs.com=0A>>Subject: Re: Commander-List: Facebook page=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>The gre
en 500B was mine and you are missing the Canadian registration C-FBCR.=0A>>
I like the site.=0A>>Tom...=0A>>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>>From: cy
bersuperstore =0A>>>To: commander-list@matronics.com =0A>>>Sent: Saturday,
December 04, 2010 8:49 PM=0A>>>Subject: Commander-List: Facebook page=0A>>>
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http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=7342679
<http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=7342679&l=b0b8f0ff64&id=772710347>
&l=b0b8f0ff64&id=772710347
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| Subject: | Re: Rare Placard |
How about the DC-10 in Detroit I think, many years ago. #1 as I recall,
got the head of Maintenance nicknamed, =9CForklift=9D but
didn=99t stop him, became chief pilot for Frank Lorenzo and later
CEO of Value Jet.
Don
From: cybersuperstore
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 5:21 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Rare Placard
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=7342679&l=b0b8f0ff64&id=77271
0347
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| Subject: | Re: Rare Placard |
Good Evening Don,
I do not recall the accident in Detroit, but I do remember the AAL DC-10
that had an engine fall off during a takeoff at Chicago's O'Hare airport.
That was eventually traced to faulty maintenance when a forklift was used
to replace an engine and pylon as one piece. A slip up occurred and the
accident occurred later. It is my understanding that the supervisor who
was
responsible for the operation committed suicide. Anyone know otherwise?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
PS I feel they should have placed the blame at least partially on the FAA
as AAL was complying with a completely unnecessary AD that required the
removal and inspection of the pylon mounting bolts.
In a message dated 12/12/2010 5:33:53 P.M. Central Standard Time,
dongirod@bellsouth.net writes:
How about the DC-10 in Detroit I think, many years ago. #1 as I recall,
got the head of Maintenance nicknamed, =9CForklift=9D but didn
't stop him,
became chief pilot for Frank Lorenzo and later CEO of Value Jet.
Don
From: _cybersuperstore_ (mailto:nico@cybersuperstore.com)
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 5:21 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Rare Placard
_http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=7342679&l=b0b8f0ff64&id=77271
0347_
(http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=7342679&l=b0b8f0ff64&id=77271
0347)
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| Subject: | Re: Facebook page |
tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: cybersuperstore
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 9:13 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Facebook page
Tom
Do you have an email adres to which I can send it off the list?
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Fisher
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 2:21 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Facebook page
I would like to change some of that story now that I am better
informed but I understand that what is ever out there stays out there.
T...
----- Original Message -----
From: cybersuperstore
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:49 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Facebook page
Hi Tom.
Yes, I made reference to the fact that you lost that particular bird
in the ocean with some other precious things. I have the whole story and
additional pictures somewhere and will eventually come across it. I'll
add the registration to the pics.
Thanks
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Fisher
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:29 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Facebook page
The green 500B was mine and you are missing the Canadian
registration C-FBCR.
I like the site.
Tom...
----- Original Message -----
From: cybersuperstore
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 8:49 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Facebook page
Folks,
I added another bunch of photographs to the Aero Commander
Facebook Page.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Aero-Commander/144424762275884
Click on the Like This button to be notified when new stuff goes
up.
If you find anything out of place or duplicated, or have
suggestions as how to arrange things, I welcome suggestions.
Thanks
Nico
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Clean looking 1962 680FP on ebay, low time nice interior, N198JW
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| Subject: | Re: Rare Placard |
Old Bob
You may be correct, I know it was in the Detroit area, might have been
Chicago.
I had always been told it was Joe Leonard, hence the name
=9CForklift=9D or =9CForklift Joe=9D, Lorenzo
brought him to Eastern as Chief Pilot, later he went to Value Jet/ Air
Tran, as President/CEO at the time I was flying the L-1011, and talking
to a Lockheed Tec/Rep who laughed at how Douglas used I think he said
three half inch bolts or something like that to secure that rather large
engine compared to Lockheed with their RB-211 engines using double that
number and much larger bolts. But it didn=99t stop anyone with
the right connections, Value Jet had numerous
=98incidents=99 then a major accident killing everyone on
board in FL. that was a joke in the way it was handled, just changed the
name and it was business as usual.
Think it was an American DC-10 Capt. that had numerous violations as he
refused to keep the aircraft under 200 knots close to the airport and
low, but after that incident with the DC-10 crash all violation were
dropped. With the increased speed, the aircraft could have maintained
control, but not at the slower speed.
Funny how these thing never come out in the newspaper.
Don
From: BobsV35B@aol.com ,
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Rare Placard
Good Evening Don,
I do not recall the accident in Detroit, but I do remember the AAL DC-10
that had an engine fall off during a takeoff at Chicago's O'Hare
airport.
That was eventually traced to faulty maintenance when a forklift was
used to replace an engine and pylon as one piece. A slip up occurred and
the accident occurred later. It is my understanding that the supervisor
who was responsible for the operation committed suicide. Anyone know
otherwise?
Happy Skies,
Old Bob
PS I feel they should have placed the blame at least partially on the
FAA as AAL was complying with a completely unnecessary AD that required
the removal and inspection of the pylon mounting bolts.
In a message dated 12/12/2010 5:33:53 P.M. Central Standard Time,
dongirod@bellsouth.net writes:
How about the DC-10 in Detroit I think, many years ago. #1 as I
recall, got the head of Maintenance nicknamed,
=9CForklift=9D but didn't stop him, became chief pilot for
Frank Lorenzo and later CEO of Value Jet.
Don
From: cybersuperstore
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 5:21 PM
To: commander-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Rare Placard
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I posted the following about the AFO Commanders on the Commander Facebook
site. I will stumble on the others and post them too. Particularly
interesting is the article in "The Flying White House".
Thanks
Nico
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