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1. 04:21 AM - 90 years old (Dan Farmer)
2. 04:55 AM - Re: South African Commanders (Barry Collman)
3. 05:22 AM - Re: 90 years old (Roland Gilliam)
4. 08:25 AM - Re: South African Commanders (cybersuperstore)
5. 09:04 AM - Re: South African Commanders (Barry Collman)
6. 11:27 AM - Re: 90 years old (dongirod)
7. 11:39 AM - Re: 90 years old (Barry Collman)
8. 11:50 AM - 90 years old (Peter Bichier)
9. 11:50 AM - Re: 90 years old (Roland Gilliam)
10. 12:06 PM - Re: 90 years old (Gary Wilson)
11. 01:36 PM - Re: 90 years old (dongirod)
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Subject: | South African Commanders |
Hi Nico,
I did indeed know about the fate of ZS-JRF, but the full details are still a
mystery.
The Registration ZS-JRF was cancelled on 02Nov84, as exported to the USA.
On the same day, US marks N690RC were assigned to this Commander, for Skytel
Aviation Inc., of Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
A Special Flight Permit was then issued on 20Nov84 for ferry from Harare,
Zimbabwe to Oklahoma City.
The Commander was evidently destroyed, probably on 05Dec84 and is believed
to have crashed into the Atlantic Ocean somewhere between Windhoek, Namibia
and Abidjan, Ivory Coast.
The question is, was it marked as ZS-JRF, or N690RC?
Strangely, it seems to have been Registered again as ZS-JRF on 11Jul88, then
cancelled again on 16Aug93, while N690RC was cancelled on 31May95.
Do you have an email address for Carl Dollenberg and I'll contact him to see
if we can get this one "sorted"!
Best Regards,
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cybersuperstore
Sent: 15 December 2010 06:31
Subject: RE: Commander-List: South African Commanders
--> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Folks,
Carl Dollenberg responded to some of my posts on a website somewhere about
Commanders in South Africa. The latest post to our Facebook page
(http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Aero-Commander/144424762275884) contains
pictures that I took a while ago and Carl was kind enough to fill in the
blanks. The other 690 was KZY whose pictures I will post as soon as I
stumble upon them.
Sir Barry, perhaps you knew of the fate of a Commander (JRF) on its way to
the U.S. Carl's abbreviated account is below. I invited Carl to join our
chat list should he be so inclined.
Thanks
Nico
Hi Nico,
That is one of ESCOM's 1000's. They have KZY and KZZ. ZS-KZX was sold to
the US a few years back. The SA Weather Service have ZS-JRA (11284) and
ZS-JRB (11248) that are used for weather modification. ZS-JRH (Ex ESCOM
Kimberly) is now being used as a geographical survey aircraft.
ZS-JRC is standing almost derelict at Grand Central as V5-MGF.
ZS-JRD was exported to the US in the 80's
ZS-JRF went missing en-route to the US somewhere between Windhoek and Gabon,
There is still no word as to what happened to the aircraft.
It is presumed that they were either shot down over Angola or ditched of the
Angolan Coast.
Tony Geddy(sp) and Slim Bird were the crew involved
ZS-JRZ Exported to the US in the 80's
I will speak to my father who knew all the commanders in SA and find out
their fate.
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This airport is near where Audie Murphy died in a Commander crash.
Roland AC 6291B
> Date: Wed=2C 15 Dec 2010 04:04:41 -0800
> From: daniellfarmer@yahoo.com
> Subject: Commander-List: 90 years old
> To: commander-list-digest@matronics.com
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Subject: | South African Commanders |
Hi Barry,
Certainly, here is Carl's email address. carl690@absamail.co.za
He alluded to the fact that his father might be more informed about South
African Commanders, so I'd like to encourage him to take that up with his
dad and perhaps give us more information and even perhaps pictures. Carl
sounded very informed about the Commanders I encountered and the '690' in
his email address is very promising.
Thanks
Nico
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From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 4:45 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: South African Commanders
--> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Nico,
I did indeed know about the fate of ZS-JRF, but the full details are still a
mystery.
The Registration ZS-JRF was cancelled on 02Nov84, as exported to the USA.
On the same day, US marks N690RC were assigned to this Commander, for Skytel
Aviation Inc., of Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
A Special Flight Permit was then issued on 20Nov84 for ferry from Harare,
Zimbabwe to Oklahoma City.
The Commander was evidently destroyed, probably on 05Dec84 and is believed
to have crashed into the Atlantic Ocean somewhere between Windhoek, Namibia
and Abidjan, Ivory Coast.
The question is, was it marked as ZS-JRF, or N690RC?
Strangely, it seems to have been Registered again as ZS-JRF on 11Jul88, then
cancelled again on 16Aug93, while N690RC was cancelled on 31May95.
Do you have an email address for Carl Dollenberg and I'll contact him to see
if we can get this one "sorted"!
Best Regards,
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cybersuperstore
Sent: 15 December 2010 06:31
Subject: RE: Commander-List: South African Commanders
--> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Folks,
Carl Dollenberg responded to some of my posts on a website somewhere about
Commanders in South Africa. The latest post to our Facebook page
(http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Aero-Commander/144424762275884) contains
pictures that I took a while ago and Carl was kind enough to fill in the
blanks. The other 690 was KZY whose pictures I will post as soon as I
stumble upon them.
Sir Barry, perhaps you knew of the fate of a Commander (JRF) on its way to
the U.S. Carl's abbreviated account is below. I invited Carl to join our
chat list should he be so inclined.
Thanks
Nico
Hi Nico,
That is one of ESCOM's 1000's. They have KZY and KZZ. ZS-KZX was sold to
the US a few years back. The SA Weather Service have ZS-JRA (11284) and
ZS-JRB (11248) that are used for weather modification. ZS-JRH (Ex ESCOM
Kimberly) is now being used as a geographical survey aircraft.
ZS-JRC is standing almost derelict at Grand Central as V5-MGF.
ZS-JRD was exported to the US in the 80's
ZS-JRF went missing en-route to the US somewhere between Windhoek and Gabon,
There is still no word as to what happened to the aircraft.
It is presumed that they were either shot down over Angola or ditched of the
Angolan Coast.
Tony Geddy(sp) and Slim Bird were the crew involved
ZS-JRZ Exported to the US in the 80's
I will speak to my father who knew all the commanders in SA and find out
their fate.
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Subject: | South African Commanders |
Hi Nico,
Carl is indeed very knowledgeable about the South African Register.
He has a website covering their Registrations, at:
www.avdex.co.za/saregister/
but one needs to Register before accessing data.
Best Regards,
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cybersuperstore
Sent: 15 December 2010 16:23
Subject: RE: Commander-List: South African Commanders
--> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Hi Barry,
Certainly, here is Carl's email address. carl690@absamail.co.za
He alluded to the fact that his father might be more informed about South
African Commanders, so I'd like to encourage him to take that up with his
dad and perhaps give us more information and even perhaps pictures. Carl
sounded very informed about the Commanders I encountered and the '690' in
his email address is very promising.
Thanks
Nico
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Collman
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 4:45 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: South African Commanders
--> <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Hi Nico,
I did indeed know about the fate of ZS-JRF, but the full details are still a
mystery.
The Registration ZS-JRF was cancelled on 02Nov84, as exported to the USA.
On the same day, US marks N690RC were assigned to this Commander, for Skytel
Aviation Inc., of Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
A Special Flight Permit was then issued on 20Nov84 for ferry from Harare,
Zimbabwe to Oklahoma City.
The Commander was evidently destroyed, probably on 05Dec84 and is believed
to have crashed into the Atlantic Ocean somewhere between Windhoek, Namibia
and Abidjan, Ivory Coast.
The question is, was it marked as ZS-JRF, or N690RC?
Strangely, it seems to have been Registered again as ZS-JRF on 11Jul88, then
cancelled again on 16Aug93, while N690RC was cancelled on 31May95.
Do you have an email address for Carl Dollenberg and I'll contact him to see
if we can get this one "sorted"!
Best Regards,
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cybersuperstore
Sent: 15 December 2010 06:31
Subject: RE: Commander-List: South African Commanders
--> <nico@cybersuperstore.com>
Folks,
Carl Dollenberg responded to some of my posts on a website somewhere about
Commanders in South Africa. The latest post to our Facebook page
(http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Aero-Commander/144424762275884) contains
pictures that I took a while ago and Carl was kind enough to fill in the
blanks. The other 690 was KZY whose pictures I will post as soon as I
stumble upon them.
Sir Barry, perhaps you knew of the fate of a Commander (JRF) on its way to
the U.S. Carl's abbreviated account is below. I invited Carl to join our
chat list should he be so inclined.
Thanks
Nico
Hi Nico,
That is one of ESCOM's 1000's. They have KZY and KZZ. ZS-KZX was sold to
the US a few years back. The SA Weather Service have ZS-JRA (11284) and
ZS-JRB (11248) that are used for weather modification. ZS-JRH (Ex ESCOM
Kimberly) is now being used as a geographical survey aircraft.
ZS-JRC is standing almost derelict at Grand Central as V5-MGF.
ZS-JRD was exported to the US in the 80's
ZS-JRF went missing en-route to the US somewhere between Windhoek and Gabon,
There is still no word as to what happened to the aircraft.
It is presumed that they were either shot down over Angola or ditched of the
Angolan Coast.
Tony Geddy(sp) and Slim Bird were the crew involved
ZS-JRZ Exported to the US in the 80's
I will speak to my father who knew all the commanders in SA and find out
their fate.
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Subject: | Re: 90 years old |
Thanks Roland, I enjoyed that.
What model Commander did Audie Murphy die in?
Dpn
From: Roland Gilliam
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 8:15 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 90 years old
This airport is near where Audie Murphy died in a Commander crash.
Roland AC 6291B
> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 04:04:41 -0800
> From: daniellfarmer@yahoo.com
> Subject: Commander-List: 90 years old
> To: commander-list-digest@matronics.com
>
<daniellfarmer@yahoo.com>
>
> If you like heart warming pilot stories go to
http://www.roanoke.com/269850
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&g====================
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Hi Don,
The Commander was a 680E that had been converted from s/n 680-491-161,
registered N601JJ.
The accident happened on May 28th 1971, at Brush Mountain, 14 miles NW of
Roanoke, Virginia (NTSB Report IAD71AI055).
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dongirod
Sent: 15 December 2010 19:23
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 90 years old
Thanks Roland, I enjoyed that.
What model Commander did Audie Murphy die in?
Dpn
From: Roland Gilliam <mailto:amg3636@Hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 8:15 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 90 years old
This airport is near where Audie Murphy died in a Commander crash.
Roland AC 6291B
> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 04:04:41 -0800
> From: daniellfarmer@yahoo.com
> Subject: Commander-List: 90 years old
> To: commander-list-digest@matronics.com
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>
> If you like heart warming pilot stories go to
http://www.roanoke.com/269850
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Don,
the only accident involving an Aero Commander in Virginia (Roanoke)
was N601JJ a 680E flying VFR into IMC on May 28th.
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=60064&key=0
NTSB Identification: IAD71AI055
14 CFR Part 91 General Aviation
Event occurred Friday, May 28, 1971 in ROANOKE, VA
Aircraft: AERO COMDR 680E, registration: N601JJ
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FILE DATE LOCATION AIRCRAFT DATA
INJURIES FLIGHT PILOT DATA
F S M/
N PURPOSE
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3-1752 71/5/28 NR.ROANOKE,VA AERO COMDR 680E CR- 1 0
0 NONCOMMERCIAL PRIVATE, AGE 43, 8000
TIME - 1108 N601JJ PX- 5 0
0 BUSINESS TOTAL HOURS, UNK/NR IN
DAMAGE-DESTROYED OT- 0 0
0 TYPE, NOT INSTRUMENT
RATED
.
DEPARTURE POINT INTENDED DESTINATION
ATLANTA,GA MARTINSVILLE,VA
TYPE OF ACCIDENT
PHASE OF OPERATION
COLLISION WITH GROUND/WATER: CONTROLLED
IN FLIGHT: NORMAL CRUISE
PROBABLE CAUSE(S)
PILOT IN COMMAND - CONTINUED VFR FLIGHT INTO ADVERSE
WEATHER CONDITIONS
PILOT IN COMMAND - ATTEMPTED OPERATION BEYOND EXPERIENCE/
ABILITY LEVEL
WEATHER - LOW CEILING
WEATHER - RAIN
WEATHER - FOG
TERRAIN - HIGH OBSTRUCTIONS
WEATHER BRIEFING - BRIEFED BY FLIGHT SERVICE PERSONNEL, BY
PHONE
WEATHER FORECAST - FORECAST SUBSTANTIALLY CORRECT
MISSING AIRCRAFT - LATER RECOVERED
SKY CONDITION
CEILING AT ACCIDENT SITE
BROKEN/LOWER SCATTERED 0
VISIBILITY AT ACCIDENT SITE
PRECIPITATION AT ACCIDENT SITE
ZERO RAIN
OBSTRUCTIONS TO VISION AT ACCIDENT SITE TYPE
OF WEATHER CONDITIONS
FOG IFR
TYPE OF FLIGHT PLAN
VFR
FIRE AFTER IMPACT
REMARKS- RCVRY DATE 5/31/71.PLT CONTD FLT INTO ADVERSE
WX.ENTERED INST WX AT ALT TOO LO TO CLEAR MT.
On Dec 15, 2010, at 2:22 PM, dongirod wrote:
> Thanks Roland, I enjoyed that.
>
> What model Commander did Audie Murphy die in?
>
> Dpn
>
> From: Roland Gilliam
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 8:15 AM
> To: commander list
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: 90 years old
>
> This airport is near where Audie Murphy died in a Commander crash.
>
> Roland AC 6291B
>
> > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 04:04:41 -0800
> > From: daniellfarmer@yahoo.com
> > Subject: Commander-List: 90 years old
> > To: commander-list-digest@matronics.com
> >
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I'm not sure Don=2C I remember it well. I lived in Greensboro N.C. at the t
ime=2C about a hunderd miles away. I'm sure Sir Barry could tell us. How a
bout it Sir Barry??
Roland
From: dongirod@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 90 years old
Thanks Roland=2C I enjoyed that.
What model Commander did Audie Murphy die in?
Dpn
From: Roland Gilliam
Sent: Wednesday=2C December 15=2C 2010 8:15 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 90 years old
This airport is near where Audie Murphy died in a Commander crash.
Roland AC 6291B
> Date: Wed=2C 15 Dec 2010 04:04:41 -0800
> From: daniellfarmer@yahoo.com
> Subject: Commander-List: 90 years old
> To: commander-list-digest@matronics.com
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Subject: | Re: 90 years old |
Audy murphy
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 15, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Peter Bichier <pbichie@utnet.utoledo.edu> wrote
:
> Don,
>
> the only accident involving an Aero Commander in Virginia (Roanoke) was N6
01JJ a 680E flying VFR into IMC on May 28th.
>
> http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=60064&key=0
>
> NTSB Identification: IAD71AI055
> 14 CFR Part 91 General Aviation
> Event occurred Friday, May 28, 1971 in ROANOKE, VA
> Aircraft: AERO COMDR 680E, registration: N601JJ
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------
> FILE DATE LOCATION AIRCRAFT DATA INJURIES
FLIGHT PILOT DATA
> F S M/N
PURPOSE
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------
> 3-1752 71/5/28 NR.ROANOKE,VA AERO COMDR 680E CR- 1 0 0 N
ONCOMMERCIAL PRIVATE, AGE 43, 8000
> TIME - 1108 N601JJ PX- 5 0 0 B
USINESS TOTAL HOURS, UNK/NR IN
> DAMAGE-DESTROYED OT- 0 0 0
TYPE, NOT INSTRUMENT
>
RATED.
> DEPARTURE POINT INTENDED DESTINATION
> ATLANTA,GA MARTINSVILLE,VA
> TYPE OF ACCIDENT PHASE OF O
PERATION
> COLLISION WITH GROUND/WATER: CONTROLLED IN FLI
GHT: NORMAL CRUISE
> PROBABLE CAUSE(S)
> PILOT IN COMMAND - CONTINUED VFR FLIGHT INTO ADVERSE WEATHER CO
NDITIONS
> PILOT IN COMMAND - ATTEMPTED OPERATION BEYOND EXPERIENCE/ABILIT
Y LEVEL
> WEATHER - LOW CEILING
> WEATHER - RAIN
> WEATHER - FOG
> TERRAIN - HIGH OBSTRUCTIONS
> WEATHER BRIEFING - BRIEFED BY FLIGHT SERVICE PERSONNEL, BY PHONE
> WEATHER FORECAST - FORECAST SUBSTANTIALLY CORRECT
> MISSING AIRCRAFT - LATER RECOVERED
> SKY CONDITION CEILING A
T ACCIDENT SITE
> BROKEN/LOWER SCATTERED 0
> VISIBILITY AT ACCIDENT SITE PRECIPITA
TION AT ACCIDENT SITE
> ZERO RAIN
> OBSTRUCTIONS TO VISION AT ACCIDENT SITE TYPE OF W
EATHER CONDITIONS
> FOG IFR
> TYPE OF FLIGHT PLAN
> VFR
> FIRE AFTER IMPACT
> REMARKS- RCVRY DATE 5/31/71.PLT CONTD FLT INTO ADVERSE WX.ENTERED I
NST WX AT ALT TOO LO TO CLEAR MT.
>
> On Dec 15, 2010, at 2:22 PM, dongirod wrote:
>
>> Thanks Roland, I enjoyed that.
>>
>> What model Commander did Audie Murphy die in?
>>
>> Dpn
>>
>> From: Roland Gilliam
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 8:15 AM
>> To: commander list
>> Subject: RE: Commander-List: 90 years old
>>
>> This airport is near where Audie Murphy died in a Commander crash.
>>
>> Roland AC 6291B
>>
>> > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 04:04:41 -0800
>> > From: daniellfarmer@yahoo.com
>> > Subject: Commander-List: 90 years old
>> > To: commander-list-digest@matronics.com
>> >
om>
>> >
>> > If you like heart warming pilot stories go to http://www.roanoke.com/26
9850
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>> &g====================
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Subject: | Re: 90 years old |
Thanks, Barry
Don
From: Barry Collman
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:34 PM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 90 years old
Hi Don,
The Commander was a 680E that had been converted from s/n 680-491-161,
registered N601JJ.
The accident happened on May 28th 1971, at Brush Mountain, 14 miles NW
of Roanoke, Virginia (NTSB Report IAD71AI055).
Best Regards,
Barry
From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dongirod
Sent: 15 December 2010 19:23
Subject: Re: Commander-List: 90 years old
Thanks Roland, I enjoyed that.
What model Commander did Audie Murphy die in?
Dpn
From: Roland Gilliam
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 8:15 AM
Subject: RE: Commander-List: 90 years old
This airport is near where Audie Murphy died in a Commander crash.
Roland AC 6291B
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