---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 12/21/10: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:22 AM - Re: Commander Spotting KGRR (Cate Chagnot) 2. 08:43 AM - Re: Re: Commander Spotting KGRR (Barry Collman) 3. 09:02 AM - Re: Commander Spotting KGRR (Cate Chagnot) 4. 10:29 AM - Re: Re: Commander Spotting KGRR (yourtcfg@aol.com) 5. 11:02 AM - Re: Commander Spotting KGRR (Cate Chagnot) 6. 11:27 AM - Re: Commander lost in Palm Springs? (cybersuperstore) 7. 12:35 PM - Re: Commander lost in Palm Springs? (Barry Collman) 8. 01:06 PM - Re: Commander lost in Palm Springs? (cybersuperstore) 9. 01:21 PM - Re: Commander lost in Palm Springs? (cybersuperstore) 10. 04:20 PM - Re: Commander lost in Palm Springs? (craig kennedy) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:32 AM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander Spotting KGRR From: "Cate Chagnot" Barry, There's a Commander 680 sitting at the Frederick airport in Maryland that's been parked on the ramp for a number of years and hasn't moved. Next time I'm over there I'll try and get photos for you.. Cheers, Cate N4278S (680E) -------- Cate N4278S 680E Skywagon N180PK Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324034#324034 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:49 AM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: Commander Spotting KGRR Hi Cate! It's possibly N790K, which is s/n 680-393-73 and has been with the Frederick Community College since May 2000. There's a photo of it on myaviation.net, but a better one will always be most welcome! Best Regards, Barry -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cate Chagnot Sent: 21 December 2010 16:19 Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander Spotting KGRR --> Barry, There's a Commander 680 sitting at the Frederick airport in Maryland that's been parked on the ramp for a number of years and hasn't moved. Next time I'm over there I'll try and get photos for you.. Cheers, Cate N4278S (680E) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:32 AM PST US Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander Spotting KGRR From: "Cate Chagnot" Hi Barry, Yep, I think that's it. It just sits there though I did think I saw someone doing something to it last year. I will try and get some shots next spring when I'm over there again. I had a bad run with a fanatical FAA inspector there last summer and he grounded my 680E, N4278S basically for a ratty paint job and bad de-ice boots after he tore the patches off the boots. It was touch and go getting a ferry permit. Luckily he was off the day I got one issued by another inspector. It's now got new boots and Queen Air props (courtesy Jim Metzger) and is flying again. When the props didn't pass I was worried because at $30,000 per prop she would have been grounded... Cate -------- Cate N4278S 680E Skywagon N180PK Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324042#324042 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:38 AM PST US Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander Spotting KGRR From: yourtcfg@aol.com HI CATE,Good to have you back!! Merry Christmas!! Hope the Commander is working well. jb -----Original Message----- From: Cate Chagnot Sent: Tue, Dec 21, 2010 8:58 am Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander Spotting KGRR .com> Hi Barry, Yep, I think that's it. It just sits there though I did think I saw someon e oing something to it last year. I will try and get some shots next spring when 'm over there again. had a bad run with a fanatical FAA inspector there last summer and he gro unded y 680E, N4278S basically for a ratty paint job and bad de-ice boots after he ore the patches off the boots. It was touch and go getting a ferry permit. uckily he was off the day I got one issued by another inspector. It's now got ew boots and Queen Air props (courtesy Jim Metzger) and is flying again. When he props didn't pass I was worried because at $30,000 per prop she would have een grounded... 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It was challenging (to say the least at times) but fun flying that Air ambulance into the back country of Guyana and HOT! Thanks for all your help in getting my 680E flying again. I flew it 10 days ago from Tiffin to Dayton (MGY, but not Commander Aero) for it's annual. Flew great. Merry Christmas and a happy New year to you and Sue! Cate -------- Cate N4278S 680E Skywagon N180PK Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324055#324055 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:27:49 AM PST US From: "cybersuperstore" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander lost in Palm Springs? I thought I heard a radio news-flash that a "10-seater Aero Commander" was lost in Palm Springs. Only the pilot was on board and apparently flew into terra firma. I haven't heard anything yet or it could also be that I wasn't paying attention. Does anyone know of such an event? Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander Spotting KGRR HI CATE,Good to have you back!! Merry Christmas!! Hope the Commander is working well. jb -----Original Message----- From: Cate Chagnot Sent: Tue, Dec 21, 2010 8:58 am Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander Spotting KGRR Hi Barry, Yep, I think that's it. It just sits there though I did think I saw someone doing something to it last year. I will try and get some shots next spring when I'm over there again. I had a bad run with a fanatical FAA inspector there last summer and he grounded my 680E, N4278S basically for a ratty paint job and bad de-ice boots after he tore the patches off the boots. It was touch and go getting a ferry permit. Luckily he was off the day I got one issued by another inspector. It's now got new boots and Queen Air props (courtesy Jim Metzger) and is flying again. When the props didn't pass I was worried because at $30,000 per prop she would have been grounded... Cate -------- Cate N4278S 680E Skywagon N180PK Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324042#324042 =================================== =_blank>www.aeroelectric.com m/" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List =================================== tp://forums.matronics.com =================================== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:52 PM PST US From: "Barry Collman" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander lost in Palm Springs? Hi Nico, Bert Berry sent me a heads-up on this a few hours ago. The Commander that crashed on December 20th was N316KW, 680FL s/n 1753-146. According the FAA's preliminary accident data website (www.faa.gov/data_research/accident_incident/preliminary_data/), it went down near Perris, CA. Best Regards, Barry From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cybersuperstore Sent: 21 December 2010 19:15 Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander lost in Palm Springs? I thought I heard a radio news-flash that a "10-seater Aero Commander" was lost in Palm Springs. Only the pilot was on board and apparently flew into terra firma. I haven't heard anything yet or it could also be that I wasn't paying attention. Does anyone know of such an event? Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander Spotting KGRR HI CATE,Good to have you back!! Merry Christmas!! Hope the Commander is working well. jb -----Original Message----- From: Cate Chagnot Sent: Tue, Dec 21, 2010 8:58 am Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander Spotting KGRR Hi Barry, Yep, I think that's it. It just sits there though I did think I saw someone doing something to it last year. I will try and get some shots next spring when I'm over there again. I had a bad run with a fanatical FAA inspector there last summer and he grounded my 680E, N4278S basically for a ratty paint job and bad de-ice boots after he tore the patches off the boots. It was touch and go getting a ferry permit. Luckily he was off the day I got one issued by another inspector. It's now got new boots and Queen Air props (courtesy Jim Metzger) and is flying again. When the props didn't pass I was worried because at $30,000 per prop she would have been grounded... Cate -------- Cate N4278S 680E Skywagon N180PK Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324042#324042 =_blank>www.aeroelectric.com m/" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List tp://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:06:30 PM PST US From: "cybersuperstore" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander lost in Palm Springs? Thanks, Barry. So sad. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 12:30 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander lost in Palm Springs? Hi Nico, Bert Berry sent me a heads-up on this a few hours ago. The Commander that crashed on December 20th was N316KW, 680FL s/n 1753-146. According the FAA's preliminary accident data website (www.faa.gov/data_research/accident_incident/preliminary_data/), it went down near Perris, CA. Best Regards, Barry From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cybersuperstore Sent: 21 December 2010 19:15 Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander lost in Palm Springs? I thought I heard a radio news-flash that a "10-seater Aero Commander" was lost in Palm Springs. Only the pilot was on board and apparently flew into terra firma. I haven't heard anything yet or it could also be that I wasn't paying attention. Does anyone know of such an event? Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander Spotting KGRR HI CATE,Good to have you back!! Merry Christmas!! Hope the Commander is working well. jb -----Original Message----- From: Cate Chagnot Sent: Tue, Dec 21, 2010 8:58 am Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander Spotting KGRR Hi Barry, Yep, I think that's it. It just sits there though I did think I saw someone doing something to it last year. I will try and get some shots next spring when I'm over there again. I had a bad run with a fanatical FAA inspector there last summer and he grounded my 680E, N4278S basically for a ratty paint job and bad de-ice boots after he tore the patches off the boots. It was touch and go getting a ferry permit. Luckily he was off the day I got one issued by another inspector. It's now got new boots and Queen Air props (courtesy Jim Metzger) and is flying again. When the props didn't pass I was worried because at $30,000 per prop she would have been grounded... Cate -------- Cate N4278S 680E Skywagon N180PK Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324042#324042 =_blank>www.aeroelectric.com m/" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List tp://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List" >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:49 PM PST US From: "cybersuperstore" Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander lost in Palm Springs? Updated the Facebook page. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=149917865059907 &set=a.145783785473315.36934.144424762275884 _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cybersuperstore Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 1:03 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander lost in Palm Springs? Thanks, Barry. So sad. _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 12:30 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander lost in Palm Springs? Hi Nico, Bert Berry sent me a heads-up on this a few hours ago. The Commander that crashed on December 20th was N316KW, 680FL s/n 1753-146. According the FAA's preliminary accident data website (www.faa.gov/data_research/accident_incident/preliminary_data/), it went down near Perris, CA. Best Regards, Barry From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cybersuperstore Sent: 21 December 2010 19:15 Subject: RE: Commander-List: Commander lost in Palm Springs? I thought I heard a radio news-flash that a "10-seater Aero Commander" was lost in Palm Springs. Only the pilot was on board and apparently flew into terra firma. I haven't heard anything yet or it could also be that I wasn't paying attention. Does anyone know of such an event? Nico _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of yourtcfg@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander Spotting KGRR HI CATE,Good to have you back!! Merry Christmas!! Hope the Commander is working well. jb -----Original Message----- From: Cate Chagnot Sent: Tue, Dec 21, 2010 8:58 am Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander Spotting KGRR Hi Barry, Yep, I think that's it. It just sits there though I did think I saw someone doing something to it last year. I will try and get some shots next spring when I'm over there again. I had a bad run with a fanatical FAA inspector there last summer and he grounded my 680E, N4278S basically for a ratty paint job and bad de-ice boots after he tore the patches off the boots. It was touch and go getting a ferry permit. Luckily he was off the day I got one issued by another inspector. It's now got new boots and Queen Air props (courtesy Jim Metzger) and is flying again. When the props didn't pass I was worried because at $30,000 per prop she would have been grounded... Cate -------- Cate N4278S 680E Skywagon N180PK Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=324042#324042 =_blank>www.aeroelectric.com m/" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List tp://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List" >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?Commander-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:46 PM PST US From: craig kennedy Subject: Re: Commander-List: Commander lost in Palm Springs? Can I get the ownership chain on that bird please?=0A=0ACraig=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A________________________________=0AFrom: cybersuperstore =0ATo: commander-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, December 21, 20 10 1:03:04 PM=0ASubject: RE: Commander-List: Commander lost in Palm Springs ?=0A=0A =0AThanks, Barry. So sad. =0A=0A=0A________________________________ =0A From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-comma nder-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Collman=0ASent: Tuesday , December 21, 2010 12:30 PM=0ATo: commander-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Commander-List: Commander lost in Palm Springs?=0A=0A=0AHi Nico,=0A =0ABert Berry sent me a heads-up on this a few hours ago.=0AThe Commander that crashed on December 20th was N316KW, 680FL s/n 1753-146.=0AAccording the FAA=99s preliminary accident data website =0A(www.faa.gov/data_ research/accident_incident/preliminary_data/), it went down =0Anear Perris , CA.=0A =0ABest Regards,=0ABarry=0A =0AFrom:owner-commander-list-server@m atronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Beha lf Of cybersuperstore=0ASent: 21 December 2010 19:15=0ATo: commander-list@m atronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Commander-List: Commander lost in Palm Springs ?=0A =0AI thought I heard a radio news-flash that a "10-seater Aero Comman der" was lost =0Ain Palm Springs. 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