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1. 02:27 AM - Re: looking for 520 (Frits Abbing)
2. 10:25 AM - Re: looking for 520 (Peter Bichier)
3. 10:25 AM - Rotax Carb Ice (John Fasching)
4. 05:41 PM - 560E being scrapped for parts... (Peter Bichier)
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Subject: | Re: looking for 520 |
Deze kist heb ik al eens naar geinformeerd rond de 25k. maar toen was Fred
Emde ermee bezig. pumps of zoiets schijnt nu dus passed away te zijn.
--- On Wed, 2/9/11, Peter Bichier <pbichie@utnet.utoledo.edu> wrote:
From: Peter Bichier <pbichie@utnet.utoledo.edu>
Subject: Commander-List: looking for 520
edu>
Chris,
It certainly looks like she was a great ship... but the same can be said of
N411V and now...
Anyways, here the link:
http://www.abpic.co.uk/results.php?q=Aero+Commander+N4179B&fields=all&s
ort=latest&limit=10
On Feb 8, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Chris wrote:
>
> That's probably the one Barry.- I recall that it was very close in s/n
to my bird (4186B).- Do you have any pix or know if it's listed online so
mewhere?- If memory serves, it was in good condition when I last saw it a
lthough that was probably 10-ish years ago.
> chris
>
>
> Barry Collman wrote:
>> There was one 520 at Cushing a number of years ago, but it moved to Perr
y by
>> 2007 and is still there.
>> The owner has since passed away and it's for sale.
>> s/n is 86, N4179B.
>>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: looking for 520 |
That's what I meant, it seems last I heard, you were in Holland,
although this sounds German... not necessarily with your bird,
although that really must have been something!
On Feb 9, 2011, at 5:24 AM, Frits Abbing wrote:
> Deze kist heb ik al eens naar geinformeerd rond de 25k. maar toen
> was Fred Emde ermee bezig. pumps of zoiets schijnt nu dus passed
> away te zijn.
>
> --- On Wed, 2/9/11, Peter Bichier <pbichie@utnet.utoledo.edu> wrote:
>
> From: Peter Bichier <pbichie@utnet.utoledo.edu>
> Subject: Commander-List: looking for 520
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 2:45 AM
>
> >
>
> Chris,
>
> It certainly looks like she was a great ship... but the same can be
> said of N411V and now...
>
> Anyways, here the link:
>
> http://www.abpic.co.uk/results.php?q=Aero+Commander+N4179B&fields=all&sort=latest&limit=10
>
> On Feb 8, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Chris wrote:
>
> >
> > That's probably the one Barry. I recall that it was very close in
> s/n to my bird (4186B). Do you have any pix or know if it's listed
> online somewhere? If memory serves, it was in good condition when I
> last saw it although that was probably 10-ish years ago.
> > chris
> >
> >
> > Barry Collman wrote:
> >> There was one 520 at Cushing a number of years ago, but it moved
> to Perry by
> >> 2007 and is still there.
> >> The owner has since passed away and it's for sale.
> > http://forums.matronbsp; - List Contribution Web Site -
>
>
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How is the Rotax 912ULS prone to carb ice as compared, to say a Lycoming
O-320? I have a 912 in a Van's RV-12 and as it was -14-degrees F this
morning the thought came to mind. Your experience?
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Subject: | 560E being scrapped for parts... |
Talked to Peter Oneil who is taking apart a 1959 560E (N175SP) ex N6SP
S/N 783 advertised in Barnstormers.com.
He says the plane was lost due to fuel contamination by the way...
Strangely enough, he mentions the engines are low time GO-480B (I
thought 560E had C1 or G1-B6)
Anyways, he has it in his hangar and taking it all apart... says some
body parts are salvageable, flight controls, etc.
He can be reached at oneilp70@gmail.com or 904-501-6021.
Email him and if he does not answer, call him at that number. (I'll
email him to give us more detail description of what's available).
Guys (& Gals) don't let ANYONE fuel your airplane without your presence!
Barry, did this bird had the fuel cap modification on it?
Take care,
Peter
On Dec 22, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Keith S. Gordon wrote:
> Very likely fuel contamination but we can't rule out pilot error.
> Were the fuel selectors set to the outboard tanks?
>
> A 680E crashed in Lakeland, FL, about 13 or 14 years ago because of
> that -- fuel selectors set on the outboard tanks for take-off. On
> top of that, the pilot was unfamiliar with the Aero Commander and
> had just finished up instrument training in a Beech Dutchess which
> added to the mishandling / confusion of the aircraft's systems and
> operating procedures.
>
> How experienced in make/model and Aero Commanders, in general were
> the pilot and the safety pilot? That's all part of the mix.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
> Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
> FAASTeam
> NBAA Access Committee
> Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
> Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep
> Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Bichier <pbichie@UTNet.UToledo.Edu>
> To: commander-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wed, Dec 22, 2010 11:15 am
> Subject: Commander-List: Another fuel contamination case? (from this
> past summer)
>
> Have you guys heard of this one?
>
> a beautiful 560E that use to belong to Delaware Police, sold and
> crashed...
>
> Here is NTSB's report:
>
> NTSB Identification: ERA10LA457
> 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
> Accident occurred Tuesday, August 31, 2010 in Jacksonville, FL
> Aircraft: AERO COMMANDER 560E, registration: N175SP
> Injuries: 2 Uninjured.
>
> This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain
> errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final
> report has been completed.
>
> On August 31, 2010, about 0815 eastern daylight time, an Aero
> Commander 560E, N175SP (previously registered as N6SP), was
> substantially damaged during a forced landing, after experiencing a
> loss of engine power during the initial climb after takeoff from the
> Herlong Airport (HEG), Jacksonville, Florida. The certificated
> private pilot and a certificated flight instructor (CFI) were not
> injured. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed and no flight
> plan had been filed for the flight destined for Craig Municipal
> Airport (CRG), also located in Jacksonville, Florida. The personal
> flight was conducted under the provisions of 14 Code of Federal
> Regulations Part 91.
>
> During an interview, the pilot reported that he purchased the
> airplane on June 19, 2010. The airplane was previously owned by the
> Delaware State Police, and had not been flown for over 1 year. On
> July 23, 2010, after maintenance which included an annual
> inspection, the pilot took delivery of the airplane in Delaware, and
> flew it to HEG.
>
> The purpose of the accident flight was to fly to CRG for avionics
> related maintenance. The pilot performed a preflight inspection,
> which included checking the fuel tanks for water contamination,
> prior to the flight. The pilot and CFI, who the pilot considered a
> safety pilot per insurance requirements, departed without incident.
> The airplane was in a climb between 1,500 and 2,000 feet, when the
> left engine quit. The pilot successfully feathered the engine;
> however, shortly thereafter, the right engine began to "sputter" and
> also quit. The pilot was unable to restore engine power in either
> engine, and performed a forced landing to Interstate I-10. During
> the landing, the airplane struck trees, which resulted in
> substantial damage to both wings and the fuselage.
>
> The CFI reported that he assumed control of the airplane immediately
> after the left engine failed. He secured the left engine and
> subsequently maneuvered the airplane for the forced landing. While
> on approach, he observed power lines which necessitated lowering the
> airplane's nose, and increased the touchdown airspeed. During the
> landing roll, the airplane's right tire departed the paved surface,
> and the airplane veered into trees, toward a fence.
>
> The airplane was subsequently removed from the accident site for
> further examination to be conducted under the supervision of a
> Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) inspector, at a later date.
>
> The pilot further reported that the airplane had been operated for
> about 20 hours since it was purchased, and was last flown on August
> 11, 2010. At that time, fuel was added to the airplane which brought
> the total fuel on board to approximately 80 gallons in the main fuel
> tanks, and 20 gallons in the auxiliary fuel tanks.
>
> The pilot reported 250 hours of total flight experience, which
> included about 90 hours in multiengine airplanes. His most recent
> application for an FAA third-class medical certificate was issued on
> September 15, 2009.
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