---------------------------------------------------------- Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/09/11: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:27 AM - Re: looking for 520 (Frits Abbing) 2. 10:25 AM - Re: looking for 520 (Peter Bichier) 3. 10:25 AM - Rotax Carb Ice (John Fasching) 4. 05:41 PM - 560E being scrapped for parts... (Peter Bichier) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:27:36 AM PST US From: Frits Abbing Subject: Re: Commander-List: looking for 520 Deze kist heb ik al eens naar geinformeerd rond de 25k. maar toen was Fred Emde ermee bezig. pumps of zoiets schijnt nu dus passed away te zijn. --- On Wed, 2/9/11, Peter Bichier wrote: From: Peter Bichier Subject: Commander-List: looking for 520 edu> Chris, It certainly looks like she was a great ship... but the same can be said of N411V and now... Anyways, here the link: http://www.abpic.co.uk/results.php?q=Aero+Commander+N4179B&fields=all&s ort=latest&limit=10 On Feb 8, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Chris wrote: > > That's probably the one Barry.- I recall that it was very close in s/n to my bird (4186B).- Do you have any pix or know if it's listed online so mewhere?- If memory serves, it was in good condition when I last saw it a lthough that was probably 10-ish years ago. > chris > > > Barry Collman wrote: >> There was one 520 at Cushing a number of years ago, but it moved to Perr y by >> 2007 and is still there. >> The owner has since passed away and it's for sale. >> s/n is 86, N4179B. >> > > le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A =0A______________________________________________________________ ______________________=0ATV dinner still cooling? =0ACheck out "Tonight's P ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:25:10 AM PST US From: Peter Bichier Subject: Re: Commander-List: looking for 520 That's what I meant, it seems last I heard, you were in Holland, although this sounds German... not necessarily with your bird, although that really must have been something! On Feb 9, 2011, at 5:24 AM, Frits Abbing wrote: > Deze kist heb ik al eens naar geinformeerd rond de 25k. maar toen > was Fred Emde ermee bezig. pumps of zoiets schijnt nu dus passed > away te zijn. > > --- On Wed, 2/9/11, Peter Bichier wrote: > > From: Peter Bichier > Subject: Commander-List: looking for 520 > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 2:45 AM > > > > > Chris, > > It certainly looks like she was a great ship... but the same can be > said of N411V and now... > > Anyways, here the link: > > http://www.abpic.co.uk/results.php?q=Aero+Commander+N4179B&fields=all&sort=latest&limit=10 > > On Feb 8, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Chris wrote: > > > > > That's probably the one Barry. I recall that it was very close in > s/n to my bird (4186B). Do you have any pix or know if it's listed > online somewhere? If memory serves, it was in good condition when I > last saw it although that was probably 10-ish years ago. > > chris > > > > > > Barry Collman wrote: > >> There was one 520 at Cushing a number of years ago, but it moved > to Perry by > >> 2007 and is still there. > >> The owner has since passed away and it's for sale. > > http://forums.matronbsp; - List Contribution Web Site - > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:25:15 AM PST US From: "John Fasching" Subject: Commander-List: Rotax Carb Ice How is the Rotax 912ULS prone to carb ice as compared, to say a Lycoming O-320? I have a 912 in a Van's RV-12 and as it was -14-degrees F this morning the thought came to mind. Your experience? ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:24 PM PST US From: Peter Bichier Subject: Commander-List: 560E being scrapped for parts... Talked to Peter Oneil who is taking apart a 1959 560E (N175SP) ex N6SP S/N 783 advertised in Barnstormers.com. He says the plane was lost due to fuel contamination by the way... Strangely enough, he mentions the engines are low time GO-480B (I thought 560E had C1 or G1-B6) Anyways, he has it in his hangar and taking it all apart... says some body parts are salvageable, flight controls, etc. He can be reached at oneilp70@gmail.com or 904-501-6021. Email him and if he does not answer, call him at that number. (I'll email him to give us more detail description of what's available). Guys (& Gals) don't let ANYONE fuel your airplane without your presence! Barry, did this bird had the fuel cap modification on it? Take care, Peter On Dec 22, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Keith S. Gordon wrote: > Very likely fuel contamination but we can't rule out pilot error. > Were the fuel selectors set to the outboard tanks? > > A 680E crashed in Lakeland, FL, about 13 or 14 years ago because of > that -- fuel selectors set on the outboard tanks for take-off. On > top of that, the pilot was unfamiliar with the Aero Commander and > had just finished up instrument training in a Beech Dutchess which > added to the mishandling / confusion of the aircraft's systems and > operating procedures. > > How experienced in make/model and Aero Commanders, in general were > the pilot and the safety pilot? That's all part of the mix. > > Wing Commander Gordon > > Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. > FAASTeam > NBAA Access Committee > Las Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep > Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep > Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Bichier > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wed, Dec 22, 2010 11:15 am > Subject: Commander-List: Another fuel contamination case? (from this > past summer) > > Have you guys heard of this one? > > a beautiful 560E that use to belong to Delaware Police, sold and > crashed... > > Here is NTSB's report: > > NTSB Identification: ERA10LA457 > 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation > Accident occurred Tuesday, August 31, 2010 in Jacksonville, FL > Aircraft: AERO COMMANDER 560E, registration: N175SP > Injuries: 2 Uninjured. > > This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain > errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final > report has been completed. > > On August 31, 2010, about 0815 eastern daylight time, an Aero > Commander 560E, N175SP (previously registered as N6SP), was > substantially damaged during a forced landing, after experiencing a > loss of engine power during the initial climb after takeoff from the > Herlong Airport (HEG), Jacksonville, Florida. The certificated > private pilot and a certificated flight instructor (CFI) were not > injured. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed and no flight > plan had been filed for the flight destined for Craig Municipal > Airport (CRG), also located in Jacksonville, Florida. The personal > flight was conducted under the provisions of 14 Code of Federal > Regulations Part 91. > > During an interview, the pilot reported that he purchased the > airplane on June 19, 2010. The airplane was previously owned by the > Delaware State Police, and had not been flown for over 1 year. On > July 23, 2010, after maintenance which included an annual > inspection, the pilot took delivery of the airplane in Delaware, and > flew it to HEG. > > The purpose of the accident flight was to fly to CRG for avionics > related maintenance. The pilot performed a preflight inspection, > which included checking the fuel tanks for water contamination, > prior to the flight. The pilot and CFI, who the pilot considered a > safety pilot per insurance requirements, departed without incident. > The airplane was in a climb between 1,500 and 2,000 feet, when the > left engine quit. The pilot successfully feathered the engine; > however, shortly thereafter, the right engine began to "sputter" and > also quit. The pilot was unable to restore engine power in either > engine, and performed a forced landing to Interstate I-10. During > the landing, the airplane struck trees, which resulted in > substantial damage to both wings and the fuselage. > > The CFI reported that he assumed control of the airplane immediately > after the left engine failed. He secured the left engine and > subsequently maneuvered the airplane for the forced landing. While > on approach, he observed power lines which necessitated lowering the > airplane's nose, and increased the touchdown airspeed. During the > landing roll, the airplane's right tire departed the paved surface, > and the airplane veered into trees, toward a fence. > > The airplane was subsequently removed from the accident site for > further examination to be conducted under the supervision of a > Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) inspector, at a later date. > > The pilot further reported that the airplane had been operated for > about 20 hours since it was purchased, and was last flown on August > 11, 2010. At that time, fuel was added to the airplane which brought > the total fuel on board to approximately 80 gallons in the main fuel > tanks, and 20 gallons in the auxiliary fuel tanks. > > The pilot reported 250 hours of total flight experience, which > included about 90 hours in multiengine airplanes. His most recent > application for an FAA third-class medical certificate was issued on > September 15, 2009. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message commander-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Commander-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/commander-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.