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Sat 10/15/11


Total Messages Posted: 11



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 06:02 AM - Re: Re: GO-435 troubles... (Tom Fisher)
     2. 06:58 AM - Re: Re: GO-435 troubles... (Roland Gilliam)
     3. 08:38 AM - Re: Re: GO-435 troubles... (Victor C. Rupert)
     4. 11:25 AM - Re: 680-FL(P) (BillLeff1@aol.com)
     5. 12:50 PM - Re: Re: GO-435 troubles... (John Towner)
     6. 03:28 PM - Commander-Fuel Valves (craig kennedy)
     7. 04:54 PM - Re: Re: GO-435 troubles... (Moe Mills)
     8. 05:10 PM - Re: Re: GO-435 troubles... (Moe Mills)
     9. 06:15 PM - Re: Re: GO-435 troubles... (Tylor Hall)
    10. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: 680-FL(P) (William J Hamilton)
    11. 08:38 PM - Re: Re: GO-435 troubles... (Jim Addington)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:02:24 AM PST US
    From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca>
    Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
    Every time I went away and pumped more then $3,000.00 of fuel into the hay burner they would stop the card entirely, I would have to call them after the rejection of the transaction..."For your own safety" they said. Tom Formally C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Rupert" <v-man@v-man.net> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 10:44 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles... > > It's possible to get a $5000 daily limit on a debit card at Wells Fargo... > I had to do it while traveling too. > > Sent from my Samsung smartphone on AT&T > > stratobee <adam@adamfrisch.com> wrote: > >> >>Thanks Moe! >> >>So far my only troubles have been with money! Credit card and debit cards >>not accepted at various pit stops as they "exceed daily limit". Funny >>that - it's my own money on the debit card, but I can't access it! Banks. >>Eventually had to get into town to get some cash to pay re-fueler. All >>extremely annoying and time consuming. Tomorrow is a new day and with new >>daily limits. Let's hope I can get enough fuel to get back. >> >>Moral of story? One can never have too many credit cards. When one goes >>down, move on to the next. >> >>-------- >>Adam >> >> >> >> >>Read this topic online here: >> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355074#355074 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 06:58:42 AM PST US
    From: Roland Gilliam <amg3636@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
    My American Express has never failed me yet. Last week I put a $3=2C100.00 Credit purchase with no problem. However=2C my next purchase was much small er and I had to call and tell them I was traveling. No problems after that. I thanked them for looking out for me. Roland Gilliam AC 500 6291B > From: tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles... > Date: Sat=2C 15 Oct 2011 05:59:56 -0700 > p.bc.ca> > > Every time I went away and pumped more then $3=2C000.00 of fuel into the hay > burner they would stop the card entirely=2C I would have to call them aft er > the rejection of the transaction..."For your own safety" they said. > Tom > Formally C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Victor Rupert" <v-man@v-man.net> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Friday=2C October 14=2C 2011 10:44 PM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles... > > > > > > It's possible to get a $5000 daily limit on a debit card at Wells Fargo ... > > I had to do it while traveling too. > > > > Sent from my Samsung smartphone on AT&T > > > > stratobee <adam@adamfrisch.com> wrote: > > > >> > >>Thanks Moe! > >> > >>So far my only troubles have been with money! Credit card and debit car ds > >>not accepted at various pit stops as they "exceed daily limit". Funny > >>that - it's my own money on the debit card=2C but I can't access it! Ba nks. > >>Eventually had to get into town to get some cash to pay re-fueler. All > >>extremely annoying and time consuming. Tomorrow is a new day and with n ew > >>daily limits. Let's hope I can get enough fuel to get back. > >> > >>Moral of story? One can never have too many credit cards. When one goes > >>down=2C move on to the next. > >> > >>-------- > >>Adam > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Read this topic online here: > >> > >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355074#355074 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > >


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    Time: 08:38:54 AM PST US
    From: "Victor C. Rupert" <v-man@v-man.net>
    Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
    My wife reminds me the wells fargo is indeed $25,000 for the debit. I'm digitally challenged ( enough to fly even a commander for an hour or two ) From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roland Gilliam Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 8:56 AM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles... My American Express has never failed me yet. Last week I put a $3,100.00 Credit purchase with no problem. However, my next purchase was much smaller and I had to call and tell them I was traveling. No problems after that. I thanked them for looking out for me. Roland Gilliam AC 500 6291B > From: tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles... > Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 05:59:56 -0700 > <tfisher@commandergroup.bc.ca> > > Every time I went away and pumped more then $3,000.00 of fuel into the hay > burner they would stop the card entirely, I would have to call them after > the rejection of the transaction..."For your own safety" they said. > Tom > Formally C-GISS 680FLP (Mr.RPM) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Victor Rupert" <v-man@v-man.net> > To: <commander-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 10:44 PM > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles... > > > > > > It's possible to get a $5000 daily limit on a debit card at Wells Fargo... > > I had to do it while traveling too. > > > > Sent from my Samsung smartphone on AT&T > > > > stratobee <adam@adamfrisch.com> wrote: > > > >> > >>Thanks Moe! > >> > >>So far my only troubles have been with money! Credit card and debit cards > >>not accepted at various pit stops as they "exceed daily limit". Funny > >>that - it's my own money on the debit card, but I can't access it! Banks. > >>Eventually had to get into town to get some cash to pay re-fueler. All > >>extremely annoying and time consuming. Tomorrow is a new day and with new > >>daily limits. Let's hope I can get enough fuel to get back. > >> > >>Moral of story? One can never have too many credit cards. When one goes > >>down, move on to the next. > >> > >>-------- > >>Adam > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Read this topic online here: > >> > >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355074#355074 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 11:25:54 AM PST US
    From: "BillLeff1@aol.com" <BillLeff1@aol.com>
    Subject: Re: 680-FL(P)
    V2luZyBjYW4gbm90IGJlIG1vZGlmaWVkIHRvIHRoZSBpbnRlcm5hbCBzdHJhcC4gSG93IGNhbiBJ IGdldCB0aGUgd2luZyBsaWZlIGRvY3VtZW50YXRpb24/ICBJIHVzZSB0byBoYXZlIGEgY29weSBk b25lIGJ5IEFlcm8gQ29tbWFuZGVyIGJ1dCBjYW4ndCBmaW5kIGl0CgoKQmlsbCBMZWZmCgpTZW50 IGZyb20gbXkgVmVyaXpvbiBXaXJlbGVzcyA0R0xURSBQaG9uZQoKLS0tLS1PcmlnaW5hbCBtZXNz YWdlLS0tLS0KRnJvbTogV2lsbGlhbSBKIEhhbWlsdG9uIDx3anJoYW1pbHRvbkBvcHR1c25ldC5j b20uYXU+ClRvOiBjb21tYW5kZXItbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tClNlbnQ6IFNhdCwgT2N0IDE1 LCAyMDExIDA2OjE5OjQwIEdNVCswMDowMApTdWJqZWN0OiBDb21tYW5kZXItTGlzdDogNjgwLUZM KFApCgpGb2xrcywKClNhZGx5IGl0IGxvb2tzIG1vc3QgbGlrZWx5IHRoYXQgNjgwLUZMKFApIDE2 OTUtMzUsIFZILUJUTiwgaXMgaGVhZGVkIGZvciB0aGUgc2NyYXB5YXJkIGluIHRoZSBza3kuIEl0 IGlzIGEgIE1yLiBSUE0gY29udmVyc2lvbiwgSU8tNzIwcy4KCiAKClRoZSBhaXJjcmFmdCBoYXMg YmVlbiBvcGVyYXRlZCBpbiBhZXJpYWwgc3VydmV5IHVucHJlc3N1cmlzZWQgZm9yIG1hbnkgeWVh cnMsIGFuZCBpdCBoYXMgZXhjZWVkZWQgaXMgQXVzdHJhbGlhbiBmYXRpZ3VlIGxpZmUsIGFuZCBp dCBzZWVtcyBsaWtlIENBU0Egd2lsbCBub3QgZXZlbiBjb25zaWRlciBhIFNwZWNpYWwgRmxpZ2h0 IFBlcm1pdCAoZmVycnkgcGVybWl0KSB0byBmbHkgaXQgb3V0c2lkZSB0aGUgY291bnRyeS4gVW5k ZXIgdGhlIGFwcGxpY2FibGUgQXVzdHJhbGlhbiBBRCwgdGhlIGxpZmUgbGltaXQgaXMgb25seSAx MSwyMDAgaG91cnMsIHRoaXMgYWlyY3JhZnQgaGFzIGhhZCBhIG51bWJlciBvZiBleHRlbnNpb25z IHVwIHRvIHRoZSBub3cgfjE0LDIwMC4gSGF2aW5nIGluc3BlY3RlZCB0aGUgYWlyY3JhZnQsIG15 IGd1ZXNzIGlzIHRoYXQgdGhlIGFtb3VudCBvZiB3b3JrIHRvIGRvIHRvIHB1dCBpdCBiYWNrIG9u IHRoZSBOIHJlZ2lzdGVyIGFuZCBmZXJyeSB0byBVUyB3b3VsZCBleGNlZWQgdGhlIG1hcmtldCB2 YWx1ZSBvZiB0aGUgYWlyY3JhZnQgaW4gaXRzIHByZXNlbnQgY29uZGl0aW9uLgoKIAoKSSBkbyBo YXZlIGEgcXVlc3Rpb24gdGhhdCBzb21lYm9keSBtaWdodCBiZSBhYmxlIHRvIGFuc3dlci4KCiAK CkFjY29yZGluZyB0byBvdXQgQUQsIHRoZXJlIHdhcyBhIHN0cnVjdHVyYWwgY2hhbmdlIGZvciB0 aGUgRkwgYW5kIEZMKFApIGZyb20gc2VyaWFsICMxNzMxLCBmcm9tIGFuIGV4dGVybmFsIHNwYXIg c3RyYXAgdG8gYW4gaW50ZXJuYWwgc3BhciBzdHJhcC4gCgogCgpUaGUgcXVlc3Rpb24gaXMsIGNh biB0aGUgcHJlICMxNzMxIG9yaWdpbmFsIHdpbmcgYmUgbW9kaWZpZWQgdG8gdGhlICMxNzMxIGFu ZCBvbiDigJxpbnRlcm5hbCBzcGFyIHN0cmFw4oCdIHN0YW5kYXJkPwoKIAoKSWYgc28sIGFuZCBl Y29ub21pY2FsbHkgcG9zc2libGUsIHRoYXQgd291bGQgZXh0ZW5kIHRoZSB3aW5nIGxpZmUgdG8g MzAsMDAwIGhvdXJzLCBhIGRyYW1hdGljIGNoYW5nZSBmcm9tIDExLDIwMC4KCiAKClNlZTo8IGh0 dHA6Ly9zZXJ2aWNlcy5jYXNhLmdvdi5hdS9haXJ3b3J0aC9haXJ3ZC9zY2hlZHVsZXMvYWRfZGlz cGxheS5hc3A/c2Vzc2lvbj0xMzA4MzU5MTI5IDxodHRwOi8vc2VydmljZXMuY2FzYS5nb3YuYXUv YWlyd29ydGgvYWlyd2Qvc2NoZWR1bGVzL2FkX2Rpc3BsYXkuYXNwP3Nlc3Npb249MTMwODM1OTEy OSZwYz1QQ185MDgzMCZzY2hlZD11bmRlciZ0b2M9QUM+ICZwYz1QQ185MDgzMCZzY2hlZD0K


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    Time: 12:50:59 PM PST US
    From: John Towner <johntowner@centralairsouthwest.com>
    Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
    *Hello Adam "aka stratobee"* My e-mail to the chat page does not always work but I hope this gets through to you. I am an old Commander guy that loves Commanders and I have read many of your postings. I have much compassion and respect for what you have been through and I wish I could help but I have followed many of the postings and in my opinion you have received *some excellent advice* from the TCFG gear engine guys. As for your credit card deli- ma I can certainly relate. Just my 2 cents worth, get a AX card and if you communicate with AX they will work with you (we currently pay for all of our fuel nightly with our AX card and they have been very good to work with). Take care and if there is anything I can help you with you e-mail me direct for sometimes my e-mails do not go through (old age setting in). Oh! and if you want any Bob Hoover videos I can send you some, from 1996-2000 I got to ferry Hoov's aircraft between air show and of course that was much fun) Take care, fly safe and all the best. *RESPECTFULLY, John Towner :-) Central Air MKC Kansas City* On 10/14/2011 10:41 PM, stratobee wrote: > --> Commander-List message posted by: "stratobee"<adam@adamfrisch.com> > > Thanks Moe! > > So far my only troubles have been with money! Credit card and debit cards not accepted at various pit stops as they "exceed daily limit". Funny that - it's my own money on the debit card, but I can't access it! Banks. Eventually had to get into town to get some cash to pay re-fueler. All extremely annoying and time consuming. Tomorrow is a new day and with new daily limits. Let's hope I can get enough fuel to get back. > > Moral of story? One can never have too many credit cards. When one goes down, move on to the next. > > -------- > Adam > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355074#355074 > >


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    Time: 03:28:21 PM PST US
    From: craig kennedy <white_rhino_ps@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Commander-Fuel Valves
    Hi gang, Just found and fixed yet another leak on 747H! Running clean again. Does anyone have a line on an overhaul kit, or shop that overhauls the fuels valves on the 223 gallon birds. There are 4 in each wing, 2 for fuel (main/aux), one each for oil and hydraulic. Mine are worn out in the left wing and are getting slow. Appreciate any help! Thanks, Craig N747H, 560F


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    Time: 04:54:21 PM PST US
    From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
    Jim=2C I would really appreciate that. Moe From: jtaddington@verizon.net Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles... Mo=2C I think I may get John Towner=92s battery system approved on a field approval for my =93A=94 model. If it goes through I will let you know how w e did it. Jim A N444BD From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: Thursday=2C October 13=2C 2011 9:48 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles... Adam=2C If you have any problems while in Northern New Mexico call me at (310) 350- 4594. I am in Farmington (FMN or N19) and have a truck and trailer with lo ts of tools and parts. Best of luck. Moe Mills N680RR > Subject: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles... > From: adam@adamfrisch.com > Date: Thu=2C 13 Oct 2011 17:33:51 -0700 > To: commander-list@matronics.com > > > I will=2C Taylor! Probably be Sat. > > -------- > Adam > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354961#354961 > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-Listhttp://forums.matronic s.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 05:10:36 PM PST US
    From: Moe Mills <moe-rosspistons@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
    Adam=2C Sorry to hear about the credit card delima. Some time ago I landed and taxied up to the fuel island. It was after hours and the weather wasn't too good. What appeared to be a father and son team walked over and said theat the pumps were inop=2C and that the older of t he two had trid both of his cards with no sucess. I stuck one of my cards in the slot and proceeded to pump 150+ gallons in my Commander. I then tol d them that if they would give me some cash that I would use my card and pu mp some fuel into their bird. The father then proceeded to tell me that "w e never carry any cash" in a somewhat smug manner. The only thing that I c ould think of to say was "sorry I can't help you". Sometimes cash is still king. Some of the smaller mom and pop operations still give a minor disco unt for cash or will give you the fleet rate. My standard line is "lookey here=2C things are a little tight now=2C what is the cheapest way I can get some fuel and get out of here". Regards=2C Moe N680RR > Subject: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles... > From: adam@adamfrisch.com > Date: Fri=2C 14 Oct 2011 20:41:20 -0700 > To: commander-list@matronics.com > > > Thanks Moe! > > So far my only troubles have been with money! Credit card and debit cards not accepted at various pit stops as they "exceed daily limit". Funny that - it's my own money on the debit card=2C but I can't access it! Banks. Eve ntually had to get into town to get some cash to pay re-fueler. All extreme ly annoying and time consuming. Tomorrow is a new day and with new daily li mits. Let's hope I can get enough fuel to get back. > > Moral of story? One can never have too many credit cards. When one goes d own=2C move on to the next. > > -------- > Adam > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355074#355074 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > >


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    Time: 06:15:38 PM PST US
    From: Tylor Hall <tylorhall@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
    UP date on travels of Adam, He stopped at KAEG here in New Mexico just before Lunch today. We had lunch. And he proceeded on westward. In search of lower priced AVGAS. He has an Ipad with the chart bag software that shows the fuel prices all along the way. Tylor Hall > Adam, > > Sorry to hear about the credit card delima. > > Some time ago I landed and taxied up to the fuel island. It was after hours and the weather wasn't too good. What appeared to be a father and son team walked over and said theat the pumps were inop, and that the older of the two had trid both of his cards with no sucess. I stuck one of my cards in the slot and proceeded to pump 150+ gallons in my Commander. I then told them that if they would give me some cash that I would use my card and pump some fuel into their bird. The father then proceeded to tell me that "we never carry any cash" in a somewhat smug manner. The only thing that I could think of to say was "sorry I can't help you". Sometimes cash is still king. Some of the smaller mom and pop operations still give a minor discount for cash or will give you the fleet rate. My standard line is "lookey here, things are a little tight now, what is the cheapest way I can get some fuel and get out of here". > > Regards, > Moe > N680RR > > > Subject: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles... > > From: adam@adamfrisch.com > > Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:41:20 -0700 > > To: commander-list@matronics.com > > > > > > Thanks Moe! > > > > So far my only troubles have been with money! Credit card and debit cards not accepted at various pit stops as they "exceed daily limit". Funny that - it's my own money on the debit card, but I can't access it! Banks. Eventually had to get into town to get some cash to pay re-fueler. All extremely annoying and time consuming. Tomorrow is a new day and with new daily limits. Let's hope I can get enough fuel to get back. > > > > Moral of story? One can never have too many credit cards. When one goes down, move on to the next. > > > > -------- > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=355074#355074 > > > > -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List > > _==================== > > _==== > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:02:09 PM PST US
    From: William J Hamilton <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au>
    Subject: Re: 680-FL(P)
    Bill, There was a link to the CASA web site at the bottom of the message, which will bring up all the ADs applicable to all Aero Commanders in AU. Look down the list to no. 66, open it up, it's a PDF, and there you have it. If the link doesn't work, go to <www.casa.gov.au>, click on the AD page, click on the "under 5700kg" page, find and click on "Twin Commander", and look for No. 66. The search function is lousy, entering AD/AC/66 doesn't work, for some strange bureaucratic reason. Cheers, Bill Hamilton ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > BillLeff1@aol.com <BillLeff1@aol.com> wrote: > > Wing can not be modified to the internal strap. How can I get the wing > life documentation? I use to have a copy done by Aero Commander but > can't find it > > > Bill Leff > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE Phone > > -----Original message----- > From: William J Hamilton <wjrhamilton@optusnet.com.au> > To: commander-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sat, Oct 15, 2011 06:19:40 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Commander-List: 680-FL(P) > > Folks, > > Sadly it looks most likely that 680-FL(P) 1695-35, VH-BTN, is headed for > the scrapyard in the sky. It is a Mr. RPM conversion, IO-720s. > > > > The aircraft has been operated in aerial survey unpressurised for many > years, and it has exceeded is Australian fatigue life, and it seems like > CASA will not even consider a Special Flight Permit (ferry permit) to > fly it outside the country. Under the applicable Australian AD, the life > limit is only 11,200 hours, this aircraft has had a number of extensions > up to the now ~14,200. Having inspected the aircraft, my guess is that > the amount of work to do to put it back on the N register and ferry to > US would exceed the market value of the aircraft in its present > condition. > > > > I do have a question that somebody might be able to answer. > > > > According to out AD, there was a structural change for the FL and FL(P) > from serial #1731, from an external spar strap to an internal spar > strap. > > > > The question is, can the pre #1731 original wing be modified to the > #1731 and on internal spar strap standard? > > > > If so, and economically possible, that would extend the wing life to > 30,000 hours, a dramatic change from 11,200. > > > > See:< > http://services.casa.gov.au/airworth/airwd/schedules/ad_display.asp?sessi > on=1308359129 > <http://services.casa.gov.au/airworth/airwd/schedules/ad_display.asp?sess > ion=1308359129&pc=PC_90830&sched=under&toc=AC> &pc=PC_90830&sched


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    Time: 08:38:29 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: GO-435 troubles...
    After all this time I finally found someone that normally says no to everything and he said you do it this way and they can't turn it down. We will see. Jim _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 6:52 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles... Jim, I would really appreciate that. Moe _____ From: jtaddington@verizon.net Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles... Mo, I think I may get John Towner's battery system approved on a field approval for my "A" model. If it goes through I will let you know how we did it. Jim A N444BD _____ From: owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Moe Mills Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:48 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles... Adam, If you have any problems while in Northern New Mexico call me at (310) 350-4594. I am in Farmington (FMN or N19) and have a truck and trailer with lots of tools and parts. Best of luck. Moe Mills N680RR > Subject: Commander-List: Re: GO-435 troubles... > From: adam@adamfrisch.com > Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:33:51 -0700 > To: commander-list@matronics.com > > > I will, Taylor! Probably be Sat. > > -------- > Adam > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=354961#354961 > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Commander-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution




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