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1. 12:40 AM - Re: Greasers. (BillLeff1@aol.com)
2. 04:02 AM - Griesers (Dan Farmer)
3. 09:37 AM - Re: Greasers. (Donald Falik)
4. 04:01 PM - Re: Greasers. (cybersuperstore)
5. 07:03 PM - Re: Greasers. ()
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I suggest working on aligning the aircraft with the direction of travel down
the runway. Sounds elementary but many pilots look over the center of the
nose rather than a point on the nose offset the same distance from the
centerline as the seat. If you don't the tire will scrub and put extra drag
on the strut making a harder landing. Or always land on wet, icy or grass
runways.
Bill Leff
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From: stratobee <adam@adamfrisch.com>
Sent: Sat, Mar 10, 2012 02:42:20 GMT+00:00
Subject: Commander-List: Greasers.
After more than a year with the 520 and over 100hrs on her, I still have to
admit that I find my landings more on the firm and squeaky side, than
greasers. I normally approach at 80-90 and try to cross the threshold at
80kts. The other day I took her down to 70 for the approach and did two
really nice greasy ones, but then could not replicate it for the next slow
approach. I'm starting to think that I flare either a touch to high, or cut
the power to soon.
What am I missing? What is your technique for the older short wings?
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Adam
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Adam,=0AYou are doing fine.- Griesers wear tires out faster than a nice l
ittle thump landing as they drag the tires causing tread loss.- In additi
on in standing water thumpers will help to alliviate hydroplanning.- At l
east thats what they claimed when I was at American Airlines, but what-th
e hell do they know.- I always knew they could not operate with out me an
d sure enough after I retired they went bankrupt:-))=0Adan
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I support Nico's actions.=0A=0AIt took me forever to "smooth landing" the 5
00S.- I finally figured to leave =0Apower on until the wheels touched.-
I figured it was due to landing a 5000+ lb. =0Aaircraft as opposed to a 25
-3500lb. machine.=0A=0ADon=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________
=0AFrom: stratobee <adam@adamfrisch.com>=0ATo: commander-list@matronics.com
=0ASent: Fri, March 9, 2012 9:41:42 PM=0ASubject: Commander-List: Greasers.
m>=0A=0AAfter more than a year with the 520 and over 100hrs on her, I still
have to =0Aadmit that I find my landings more on the firm and squeaky side
, than greasers. =0AI normally approach at 80-90 and try to cross the thres
hold at 80kts. The other =0Aday I took her down to 70 for the approach and
did two really nice greasy ones, =0Abut then could not replicate it for the
next slow approach. I'm starting to =0Athink that I flare either a touch t
o high, or cut the power to soon.=0A=0AWhat am I missing? What is your tech
nique for the older short wings?=0A=0A--------=0AAdam=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead th
is topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=36
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It works even on lighter aircraft. I love to do it in a Cessna 150. I reason
that with turbo charged engines, keeping the turbines spooled up, reduces
turbo rush when sudden power is needed to abort a landing. With the older
Ray Jay turbos, it was very easy to overboost the engines, resulting in some
distraction of the pilot from flying duties while watching the manifold
pressure during a go-around. I figured that very few of us are Bob Hoovers,
so it is a technique that ham-fisted pilots like me use, to make things
smooth and perhaps even safer. And the pax are impressed, too.
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[mailto:owner-commander-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Donald Falik
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Greasers.
I support Nico's actions.
It took me forever to "smooth landing" the 500S. I finally figured to leave
power on until the wheels touched. I figured it was due to landing a 5000+
lb. aircraft as opposed to a 25-3500lb. machine.
Don
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From: stratobee <adam@adamfrisch.com>
Sent: Fri, March 9, 2012 9:41:42 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Greasers.
After more than a year with the 520 and over 100hrs on her, I still have to
admit that I find my landings more on the firm and squeaky side, than
greasers. I normally approach at 80-90 and try to cross the threshold at
80kts. The other day I took her down to 70 for the approach and did two
really nice greasy ones, but then could not replicate it for the next slow
approach. I'm starting to think that I flare either a touch to high, or cut
the power to soon.
What am I missing? What is your technique for the older short wings?
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Adam
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great content also bsp; =================
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Adam;
I agree with all the others advice.
Just like the drunk upon being asked, "How do you get to Carnegie Hall?
Replied, Practice Man, Practice"
With geared engines I have always been told 'do not pull the power off until
on the runway'. I think that is pretty well true of all geared engines
whether in a recip or a turbo prop or in a turbo jet, always keeps positive
thrust until touchdown. And some airplanes just land a little firmer, most
any airplane with "auto spoilers" land firm unless the runway is wet, just
think of it this way, now you know when to apply brakes as you don't have an
air/ground sensor.
The old airline joke is most passengers don't even know if they have had a
good trip until they land.
Unlike Dan Farmer, Eastern didn't wait until after I left, but I still don't
take any responsibility for managements actions. Guess that give Dan
Farmer and Jim Addington bragging rights.
BUT! You airline type's might appreciate this joke I just got:
The flight attendant listened
patiently to the mans complaints:
You bring me cold coffee.
You serve me lousy food. I cant
see the movie.
Not that it matters because you
didnt bring me any headphones.
And my window doesnt even have a
shade, so I cant sleep.
When hed finally stopped whining,
she said,
Just shut up and fly the plane!
God Bless, Don
-----Original Message-----
From: stratobee
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 9:41 PM
Subject: Commander-List: Greasers.
After more than a year with the 520 and over 100hrs on her, I still have to
admit that I find my landings more on the firm and squeaky side, than
greasers. I normally approach at 80-90 and try to cross the threshold at
80kts. The other day I took her down to 70 for the approach and did two
really nice greasy ones, but then could not replicate it for the next slow
approach. I'm starting to think that I flare either a touch to high, or cut
the power to soon.
What am I missing? What is your technique for the older short wings?
--------
Adam
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368088#368088
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